*edit opps misquoted. dunno who said the original quote, sorry about that

No but in the larger scope, it would be if enough miners were blown-up. The suicide ships is not created out of thin air. A metric ass ton of ganks need to happen to see a real change but in theory, it "will" happen if the system is pushed far enough.

For some reason a bunch of posts in this thread disappeared, including one of mine. It was up to five pages.

There is a simplistic beauty in mining.

That's what I meant, thanks.

@Riot Girl: Sure, and that's the day when the game ends...

Wrong on your alst statement. If mining reward gets higher because the stock of minerals gets too low, more people will start mining. It's only a mattter of how profitable it is. Remember, we get free ships capable of mining if we dock with a pod in an empty station. It's ****** but still able to do it.

This.

But make it a surprise.. because hIghsec LOVES surprises!

We're just going to let the miners hit their targets and then we'll do our part once they've finished.

yea. I have noticed the same: miners work better than 'real players'

1. miners
2. manufacturers/researchers/etc...
3. carebears (mission runners)
4. 'real players' - pvp oriented group

Personally being bad i only added like 300 million to pvp pool yesterday

I don't particularly have an issue with PI. Or with research, or any of that other stuff. Mostly because they aren't in open space while they do it.

pvp doesn't have automation software

wait till the weekend

It's not about automation at all. Here is how the two activities work:

Mining:

1. Warp to known location where target always exists
2. Lock the target
3. Act against the target

PvP:

1. Look for target
2. Lock the target
3. Act against the target

Step 1 is very easy for miners, but tends to be difficult for PvPers. As the population drops (because potential targets are online for only 1-4 hours a day during the week) it's harder to find suitable targets to allow you to proceed to step 2.

On the weekends, people log on for longer. Thus the population is higher, and finding suitable targets is easier.

I like the way the miners feel it's someone else's responsibility to blow up ships and not their own. 'I'm a miner, not a PvPer' is no excuse for not making an effort.

That's because miners actually work. they aren't out there half heartedly trying to rat.. or destroy something. They are used to setting goals and putting in long hours to meet them.

Not particularly. I was killing miners before it was cool. Yes, ganker hipster is a thing.

And as to the PI question..

Not interacting with the game while not being logged in, in open space is fine. You can do whatever you want while you're docked up, no one cares. Trade, make contracts, talk in local, write Fedo poetry, it doesn't matter.

When a PI guy goes to a poco to get his haul, and takes it back to a station, he is playing the game. Unless he's autopiloting.

But not playing the game while logged in, in open space, and making money? That is not fine. It's actually far worse than mission running, despite how very bad that activity is for being engaging gameplay.

A miner doesn't even shoot anything, they just sit there. Like scenery.

trolling aside i'm not sure many pvpers will take responsibility for mining ore and building their own ships
some of them (you can see example right in this thread) even can't understand this thing

Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.

Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.

I like how the debate favors PvP and miners feel then need to weigh in...

tends to happen when people start spewing incorrect assumptions about things they know nothing about.

Nah, it's just funny that miners in this thread act like they're doing something good for the community, rather than just mining for themselves as they normally would.

Well, they are after all providing minerals that build ships. Less mining = less minerals = more expensive stuff. ISK is not fiat money... it's actually based on the amount of minerals (when you get to the basis of industry). So, the more they mine, the cheaper the stuff for the rest of players is. I'd call that "doing good for the community" since rarely anyone who likes PvP likes to grind to get the ships they need.