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Scarlett LaBlanc
Midnight Savran Industries
92
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:25:00 -
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Drak Morgan wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:I think she/he was referring to miners in regard to the topic, not miners in general... A fleet of with Macs and Orcas in high have Concord protecting them from PvP even in 0.5,
It's clear you do not fully understand how CONCORD functions. They do NOT provide protection. They provide consequences. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25628
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:29:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:"highsec is there for a reason"?
Pretty sure that reason isn't "mine endlessly in complete safety".
You might want to drop a ticket so a GM can answer that, but I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that you aren't safe anywhere in EVE unless you're docked. Idk where, just popped into my head for some reason. It is also stated nowhere that highsec is where "lazy, bored gankers go to get their kicks", yet it's a reality... you may be the exception, since you gank everywhere as you said yourself, but there are others that take the easiest route to get their thrills. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3983
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:35:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you fly a non combat ship, you have abdicated the ability to defend yourself.
Nah, plenty of ships that dont have combat as their primary roles can defend themselves.
Abdication of personal responsibility is the fault of the pilot, not of the ship manufacturers "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3985
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:36:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote: It is also stated nowhere that highsec is where "lazy, bored gankers go to get their kicks", yet it's a reality... you may be the exception, since you gank everywhere as you said yourself, but there are others that take the easiest route to get their thrills.
If it aint in High Sec it aint ganking.
Its known as "normal course of events" every where else lol "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5882
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:37:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you fly a non combat ship, you have abdicated the ability to defend yourself.
Nah, plenty of ships that dont have combat as their primary roles can defend themselves. Abdication of personal responsibility is the fault of the pilot, not of the ship manufacturers
"Defend yourself" meaning "shoot back" in this instance.
As opposed to highsec, where it means "tank enough to not die before the invincible all powerful space police arrive". "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25631
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:38:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:You are woefully out of place in this competitive game. You should be playing a game that only offers 'co-op' style play and that has solid rules and mechanics against competition and 'griefing'. I, again, have to respectfully disagree... EVE is not "just" a competative game, it's also a cooperative game... it's a sandbox non the less, not a MOBA or dedicated e-sports game. Granted, basically everything in EVE is a competition of some sort, but without cooperation it would be non existent...
That, of course, also means: EVE is what players make of it...
EDIT: @Ramona: Granted.  "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Ralph King-Griffin
Var Foundation inc.
1353
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:39:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote: If you fly a non combat ship, you have abdicated the ability to defend yourself.
Nah, plenty of ships that dont have combat as their primary roles can defend themselves. Abdication of personal responsibility is the fault of the pilot, not of the ship manufacturers Case and point |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3985
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:42:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"Defend yourself" meaning "shoot back" in this instance.
As opposed to highsec, where it means "tank enough to not die before the invincible all powerful space police arrive".
Itty of doom?
Or a barge with maximum tank and ninja drone skills on the pilot possibly
I know what you mean, Im not really disagreeing, but I have seen things that were hilarious occur when a "non-pvper" uses his brain rather than his mouth first
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Vhelnik Cojoin
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
38
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:49:00 -
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Velicitia wrote:NOTE --> I'm probably (still) effing up the maths, since i'm doing this on the fly, rather than with a good tool (yay work). A Mackinaw mines 1718 m3/min, while a Hulk gives 1859 m3/min. These numbers are at level V skills yet without any implants. This increases to 2398 and 2608 respectively when given a full Orca boost. A further increase to 2701 and 2942 is provided if the Orca pilot has the Mining Foreman Mindlink and full level V skills where relevant.
These numbers include the yield from a wing of 5x T2 mining drones, the yield from which is not subject to fleet boost effects.
Unrelated comment: I really wish my fellow mining brothers and sisters would get with the game, stop complaining so much and get themselves a PvP alt...  Have you Communicated with your fellow capsuleers today? It is good for the EVE-oconomy and o-kay for you. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6376
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:52:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Jenn aSide wrote:You are woefully out of place in this competitive game. You should be playing a game that only offers 'co-op' style play and that has solid rules and mechanics against competition and 'griefing'. \ I, again, have to respectfully disagree... EVE is not " just" a competative game, it's also a cooperative game... it's a sandbox non the less, not a MOBA or dedicated e-sports game. Granted, basically everything in EVE is a cometition of some sorts, but without cooperation it would be non existent...
Please point out where i just the word "just".
Competition is the overwhelming feature of EVE. If EVE you CAN cooperate (but don't have to). You WILL compete if you play the game at all. Period.
The fact that you don't like this (and mistakenly think that the existence of high sec someone justifies what you want to believe) is proof of what I'm saying: the problem is your attitude and and un-EVE-like disposition, not anything people like Kaarous are doing.
The gankers and the PVE players who actually defend themselves against them (through using good sense, planning and tanking their ships/cooperating with other like minded players) are playing the game correctly. The people who get ganked then rage and ask CCP for changes (especially since CCP has not given them tools like the Procurer) while making death threats are the only problem i see here.
Quote: That, of course, also means: EVE is what players make of it...
EVe is what everyone makes of it, not just 'you'. That's the whole point, a person who wants to do his own thing and not be subject to people like Kaarous are playing the wrong game.
I ask you, Shalua Rui, if you feel the way you obvioulsy do, WHY are you playing EVE instead of Star Trek Online or some other game where people like Kaarous can't do what they do?It makes no sense to me. Personally, if i didn't like being tackled, the LAST thing I'd do is strap on pads and walk onto an American football field.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3986
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Posted - 2014.05.08 13:59:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: I ask you, Shalua Rui, if you feel the way you obvioulsy do, WHY are you playing EVE instead of Star Trek Online or some other game where people like Kaarous can't do what they do?It makes no sense to me. Personally, if i didn't like being tackled, the LAST thing I'd do is strap on pads and walk onto an American football field.
Word.
You my nerfherder. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
117
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:05:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:"highsec is there for a reason"?
Pretty sure that reason isn't "mine endlessly in complete safety".
You might want to drop a ticket so a GM can answer that, but I am pretty sure I saw somewhere that you aren't safe anywhere in EVE unless you're docked. Idk where, just popped into my head for some reason. It is also stated nowhere that highsec is where "lazy, bored gankers go to get their kicks", yet it's a reality... you may be the exception, since you gank everywhere as you said yourself, but there are others that take the easiest route to get their thrills. Yes. That's the sad reality, but has nothing to do with gankers per se. It's the "no-effort" attitude that is independent of gameplay. You'll find that i mission runners as much as in miners, gankers, anybody.
And while I certainly agree that there are lots of weak minds out there, I can guarantee that not everybody does things just for kicks.
I never considered this game to be fun. If I wanted fun, I'd play completely different games. |

Drak Morgan
Bleak Prospects
7
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:06:00 -
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Here is the solution. Train into a bkackops or covert ops; get cloaking high. Strap on your miners and upgrades and implants, sit more than 2km from your roid with a glass of warm milk your blanky and a cookie and just cloak when the gankers come for you. Forget ship bonuses and crap cuz you don't want to play the game right anyway. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25636
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:07:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:I ask you, Shalua Rui, if you feel the way you obvioulsy do, WHY are you playing EVE instead of Star Trek Online or some other game where people like Kaarous can't do what they do?It makes no sense to me. Personally, if i didn't like being tackled, the LAST thing I'd do is strap on pads and walk onto an American football field.
I'll answer in a second, but first: It's not just "me" I'm writing about here... actually, it's not really me at all, since I have had my play style for close to 10 years now, and I never had any problems with the game or it's community, whatsoever... I mean, in all my years, I only lost 4 ships (my own fault), and I never been podded once... what I'm talking about is the problems the game has. The problems that CCP seam to be unabe to fix (they just ignore them call them emergent gameplay ), the problems that make EVE a nieche product that the general populus perceive as either a toxic playground for virtual sociopaths or/and speard sheets in space.
So, why do I play it? Because I'm fiercely in love with it... I love the mood, the style, the lore, the people I choose to play with, the theory crafting and fiddling with ships, the industry and the markets... no other game has that. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3987
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:13:00 -
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EvEs core mechanics =/= problems "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25636
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:15:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:EvEs core mechanics =/= problems That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu.  "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6378
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:19:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:I'll answer in a second, but first: It's not just "me" I'm writing about here... actually, it's not really me at all, since I have had my play style for close to 10 years now, and I never had any problems with the game or it's community, whatsoever... I mean, in all my years, I only lost 4 ships (my own fault), and I never been podded once... what I'm talking about is the problems the game has. The prolblems that CCP seam to be unabe to fix (s they just ignore them call them emergent gameplay  ), the problems that make EVE a nieche product that the general populus perceive as either a toxic playground for virtual sociopaths or/and speard sheets in space.
So your problem is that EVE isn't more popular? How would EVE being more popular help you or me in the slightest?
And why would anyone want more of the "general populous" here? Look at the games (and other activities) the 'general populous' flock to. You really want that for EVE?
A few days ago I was having a talk with a friend and he said something like that when talking about TV.
I told him "there is a reason why TRASH like the Maury Povich show (famous for the phrase "you ARE/ARE NOT the FATHER") has higher ratings than ANY show on PBS ....despite how at least some PBS shows being actually useful to humanity".
The only way EVE becomes more popular with the masses is if you turn it into the same trash as the rest of the MMO world.
No think you.
Quote: So, why do I play it? Because I'm fiercely in love with it... I love the mood, the style, the lore, the people I choose to play with, the theory crafting and fiddling with ships, the industry and the markets... no other game has that.
Many other games do this while also preventing the things you complain about, so this answer is basically non-responsive.
So let me rephrase. Why do you put up with things you obviously hate when you could be playing other (almost) as in depth games that also mechanically prevent the things you obviously hate?
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Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
119
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:19:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:EvEs core mechanics =/= problems That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu.  Things change, because change is necessary.
Some things might be broken, but not everything is.
In EVE, rebalancing of ships creates new content... for example. |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6378
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:20:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:EvEs core mechanics =/= problems That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu. 
The 'core' mechanics haven't changed for a long long long time. One core mechanic (non-consensual pvp) has remained virtually the same since inception.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3988
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:21:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:EvEs core mechanics =/= problems That's why they are redone every now and then... uhu. 
Really?
The things you call problems have been "redone" have they?
I guess I missed the patch notes on that. "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Max Essen
The Scope Gallente Federation
31
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:24:00 -
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I mine and do industry because I enjoy it. Gankers try to blow me up because they enjoy it.
It's all good and fun. |

Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25636
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:28:00 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:So let me rephrase. Why do you put up with things you obviously hate when you could be playing other (almost) as in depth games that also mechanically prevent the things you obviously hate? I hate people picking on other people... that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. *shrugs*
...and no, no other game has exactly what EVE has ...yet.
FInally: Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes. "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5885
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:32:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote: I hate people picking on other people...
Then you are playing the wrong game.
Quote: that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. *shrugs*
Then you are playing the wrong game.
Here you go.
https://register.perfectworld.com/sto_splashB "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3992
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:32:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes.
If you let in the muggles, it wont be a good game anymore
I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3992
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:33:00 -
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Then she doesnt do the market, or mine in other people's belts then.
Agh PW... my poor eyes and wallet "They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Drak Morgan
Bleak Prospects
7
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:34:00 -
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Accept everyone is out to get you. Embrace the darkside and get your cookie. ;) |

Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space The ROC
5885
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:35:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes. If you let in the muggles, it wont be a good game anymore I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it
Bingo. I started playing EVE, and I still play EVE, because of this.
And I enjoy, I literally revel in the reputation this game has, because it keeps all the "gamer" demographics that I despise from playing it. "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25638
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:36:00 -
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Ramona McCandless wrote:I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it I'm pretty sure there a plenty of the latter in certain corps...  "ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |

Ramona McCandless
The McCandless Clan Council of Peace and Prosperity
3994
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:40:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Ramona McCandless wrote:I came to EvE because of the lack of WoWheads and CoDKids, not inspite of it I'm pretty sure there a plenty of the latter in certain corps... 
Lol well yes thats true
"They feel the need to cover their ears and eyes in horror at your very presence." - Pontianak Sythaeryn "I can't honestly believe that Peace and Prosperity has a face like a naughty sarcastic nun that's come to whip me with a ruler." - Domanique Altares -á-á ***FREE THE JITA 1*** |

Jenn aSide
STK Scientific Initiative Mercenaries
6383
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Posted - 2014.05.08 14:47:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote: I hate people picking on other people... that's my baseline... I would have to stop living if I would try to avoid that. I can't have it, I can't enjoy it, and I can't understand other people that do... not even in a game. *shrugs*
I don't enjoy 'picking' on people either. I don't gank (not because I have moral qualms about it, but because I just don't see it as fun for me). I do enjoy tears but only when it's someone who ticked me off 1st lol.
The thing is this. You can't 'pick on' someone in EVE. EVE features total equality (not in skill points or ship access, but in that EVERY in EVE can get a gun without a permit lol. if a person is getting 'picked on' in EVE, he is 100% allowing it. And the min/max 'greedy for every bit of Ore' solo miners are allowing it. GOOD miners aren't.
it's the same with my 'community' (mission runners/combat pve pilots) The good ones are using the right ships and tactics (liek blitzing Damsel in Distress with a cheap naga instead of a 5 billion isk machariel......) and are aware enough to not get ganked. The bad ones end up as an ALOD on the Goon guy's site.
In both cases (good and bad) we have a choice of which to be. The fact that some people make the bad choice, that doesn't mean that Kaarous and his type are some kind of evil bully. It means they are the force that keeps other players 'honest', because without them there would just be overly entitled rampantly greedy min max miners everywhere (lol)
Quote: ...and no, no other game has exactly what EVE has ...yet.
FInally: Why do I want EVE to be more popular? Because it's a good game that turns many people off with it's general unfriendlyness, and (certain parts) of the community are as much to blame for that then CCP... difference is, CCP seams to be willing to learn... sometimes.
I still don't understand. What yo just mentioned are the GOOD parts of EVE. it turns off (most) stupid lazy people, leave (mostly) the kinds of people who aren't stupid and lazy.
This is exactly what I mean when i say that some of us are suited to (and like) the realities of EVE whereas others would rather it changed to the uninteresting 'mass appeal' crap that is the rest of the MMO world. |
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