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Gogenchu
Der Schnitzelfest
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:02:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:March rabbit wrote:
yea...
paying subscription, buying ships, buying stuff, selling ore/minerals, competing for ice, providing targets for other people == 'actively not playing the game'
i like your logic
No, sitting in a belt pressing F1 every half an hour is actively not playing the game. Do try to keep up.
I really hate people like you.
I have mined for years, and I'm always at my computer, watching the screen/local/directional aligned to an off grid safespot. If I'm not chatting with corpmates, I'm looking at the market or reading up on things about the game.
Just because you don't like an activity in the game doesn't mean you have to go and ruin it for everyone else who does. Don't understand how anyone could like mining? Good for you. It's not your cup of tea. Politely go somewhere else so us indy folks can get back to making the ships your use to PvP. |
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
25532
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:08:00 -
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Gogenchu wrote:Just because you don't like an activity in the game doesn't mean you have to go and ruin it for everyone else who does. Don't understand how anyone could like mining? Good for you. It's not your cup of tea. Politely go somewhere else so us indy folks can get back to making the ships your use to PvP.
You misunderstand... they are HELPING us poor, clueless miners... really, they do... that's what their leader said!
Sorry... been in General too long today. 
"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!"
Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM) |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
389
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:18:00 -
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What I find amusing is it's the "real players" that have turned on the waterworks in this thread over a silly free drone worth what, 40mil isk. This is a game where everyone is space rich. There's no way 40mil isk should even matter. If your a "real" player, and actually that poor ingame, then you need to look at your own productiveness and determine what shortcomings you need to address.
Perhaps it's time to stop going for the ship spinning record, and get out there to play your game no matter what it is you like to do.
Failing that, I will kindly ask the real players to lean over this collection bucket.*
*By the way, being the highly refined player I am, I will ask you to use proper bucket filling technique. Please face down into the bucket in such a manner, that allows your tears fall directly away from your eyes and into the collection receptacle. I prefer purity, and tears rolling down the cheeks may be tainted by Cheetos dust. This is unacceptable.
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EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Gogenchu
Der Schnitzelfest
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:19:00 -
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Shalua Rui wrote:Gogenchu wrote:Just because you don't like an activity in the game doesn't mean you have to go and ruin it for everyone else who does. Don't understand how anyone could like mining? Good for you. It's not your cup of tea. Politely go somewhere else so us indy folks can get back to making the ships your use to PvP. You misunderstand... they are HELPING us poor, clueless miners... really, they do... that's what their leader said! Sorry... been in General too long today.
Better get out of here before you become like them ;)
Seriously though, they do it to make their isk efficiency look nice on their killboards. But it's really not hard to realize that the only form of effective PvP that they can do if ganking unsuspecting miners.
But back on topic, I think it's awesome that the mining community challenge is going so well. At first I thought all these challenges were per person and knew I wouldn't be getting anymore Geckos haha. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3192
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:30:00 -
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Gogenchu wrote:Seriously though, they do it to make their isk efficiency look nice on their killboards. But it's really not hard to realize that the only form of effective PvP that they can do if ganking unsuspecting miners.
Nah, it's just a way to get out and interact with other players. I do all kinds of **** to interact with other people when I'm bored as it's the best way to find something interesting to do and can lead to all kinds of unexpected things happening. I even make a tidy profit from miners because they pay me not to gank them.
Oh god. |
Valerianne Anthar
Open University of Celestial Hardship
Art of War Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:40:00 -
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stoicfaux wrote:It's "ISK Destroyed" which could mean ammo use by mission runners, items used in manufacturing, losses to CONCORD, PI items being "destroyed" as they're converted into the next tier, etc. If so, then the PVP folks are really, really, really, really, a trivial part of the economy.
edit: Or it could be isk actually destroyed via isk sinks such as market taxes, etc..
Or CCP really needs to be a bit more descriptive about what metrics they're tracking.
Naturally PVP is a smaller part of the economy, predators are always smaller population than their prey. If it were otherwise an ecosystem would not survive. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1483
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Posted - 2014.05.07 15:45:00 -
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There are people willing to fight so every "true PVP rotflstomper" will stay in the station in hope that Jita freighters will become primary target.
When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Solecist Project's Alt
Wildly Inept Pacifists
94
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:54:00 -
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Bagrat Skalski wrote:There are people willing to fight so every "true PVP rotflstomper" will stay in the station in hope that Jita freighters will become primary target.
Freighters are getting ganked on a daily basis.
It's pretty meaningless, but it pushes the bar up a bit. |
Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
113
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:57:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:So your point is that because structure shooting sucks and no one likes it... that somehow makes mining awesome, acceptable gameplay that isn't a step away from botting? No, my point is: All forms of gameplay in EVE have dull and uninteresting sides, and if CCP tries to reduce those, I'm all for it... but all folks like you see is: Evil miners are runing my pew pew.  While everything in EVE has *some* boring aspects, mining is the only thing that is nothing but a boring aspect. Besides, I just bump and gank them because "I'm doing my part" to stop botting.
Other than reporting them, you have no part in stopping bots. |
Tor Norman
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
141
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Posted - 2014.05.07 16:59:00 -
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Gogenchu wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:No, sitting in a belt pressing F1 every half an hour is actively not playing the game. Do try to keep up. I really hate people like you. I have mined for years, and I'm always at my computer, watching the screen/local/directional aligned to an off grid safespot. If I'm not chatting with corpmates, I'm looking at the market or reading up on things about the game. Just because you don't like an activity in the game doesn't mean you have to go and ruin it for everyone else who does. Don't understand how anyone could like mining? Good for you. It's not your cup of tea. Politely go somewhere else so us indy folks can get back to making the ships your use to PvP.
I don't like mining, I used to kill people that do it. Not because I think they shouldn't mine, but because I could kill them, nothing more. When someone's play style differs from my own, I normally understand why they like doing what they do, even if it's something I don't personally enjoy. But with mining, I can't understand it.
Honest question: What exactly do you like about mining? I notice the things you like doing while mining, but those are things that you can while not mining. What entertainment value does mining have for you?
I talk about EVE trading and general space violence in my blog.
For the ISK and the yarr! |
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Kiryen O'Bannon
Thrall Nation
Brave Collective
113
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:00:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Shalua Rui wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them. You don't "have" to do anything in a game... you do it because it gives you purpous and the feeling of accomplishment with actually, you know... accomplishing anything... I get it. Coming from someone defending a profession that consists of actively not playing the game, this run on sentence makes perfect sense.
If you were advocatng for a serious fix to mining to make it interesting, you might have a point. Since you have a track record of complaining about a playstyle that is boring throgh no fault of the players, we can disregard you as a propagandist. |
Enraku Reynolt
Peripheral Patrol
Shadow's Edge Alliance
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:16:00 -
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Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
if you want to do your part to stop bots; report them.
So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge. "9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!" If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them.
well, that's cause you probly shoot first then ask questions later, which never works |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Independent Faction
455
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:27:00 -
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Sabriz Adoudel wrote:
There are very few situations in which killing more miners is not an appropriate response.
Usually the 'I just lost my ship to (fill in alliance here) and need mins/a new ship' situation. Fewer miners makes replacing ships more expensive. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13286
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:29:00 -
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Enraku Reynolt wrote:well, that's cause you probly shoot first then ask questions later, which never works
You are assuming that you are asking the question to the people you are shooting.
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Helicity Boson
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
671
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:29:00 -
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Interesting... |
Dave Stark
5356
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:35:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Enraku Reynolt wrote:well, that's cause you probly shoot first then ask questions later, which never works You are assuming that you are asking the question to the people you are shooting.
you're assuming people will waste time talking to you when it offers 0 benefit to them, also. |
Bagrat Skalski
Poseidaon
1483
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Posted - 2014.05.07 17:58:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:Enraku Reynolt wrote:well, that's cause you probly shoot first then ask questions later, which never works You are assuming that you are asking the question to the people you are shooting. you're assuming people will waste time talking to you when it offers 0 benefit to them, also.
I am assuming killing is the number one priority. Nice chat can wait. Something like "GF" and "not quite" shared in local.
When weapons, technology, and economies mature faster than the leadership culture entrusted with them, disaster ensues.
http://i.minus.com/ibeZ0sJewvDMBN.gif |
Belt Scout
Forum alts make you mad
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:07:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:
Honest question: What exactly do you like about mining? I notice the things you like doing while mining, but those are things that you can while not mining. What entertainment value does mining have for you?
Ok. A well put question should have a decent enough answer. Sorry about the wall, but I can type fairly well, and I'm not of the Tl;Dr crowd.
First off, for perspective, I am a multiboxer with numerous toons specialized for various things. My indy toons can mine, refine, market, PI, research, and build everything up to and including a titan, and do it all with the maximum efficiency allowed by the game mechanics. Currently, I have nearly a billion sp spread out amongst them. This allows me the freedom to what I want, when I want, and play this wonderful game with a budget most small to medium corps can't realize. That all being said;
What exactly do you like about mining?
The comradery. When I bring my mining toons out, (lots of skiffs, orca, freighter, the whole nine), I normally boost a decent number of folks in my busy little mining area. Some of us have become good friends and we'll bullshit in fleetchat, or on teamspeak to pass the time. These are decent, like minded people, and we get along well. There's times when I'll start up with the intention of spending an hour or two gathering ore/ice, and suddenly its 6 or 8 hours later, the whole system is almost mined out, I have to be at work in three hours, and we're still going strong on *insert any random subject here*. Aside form that, there's times when my attention will be drawn away for short periods, like a tv show, kids, dinner, whatever. Not having to be glued to the kb/mouse and still have isk flow is a good thing. I mine enough to cover the expenses of budding pvp toons, and other ingame needs. One needs to see mining as the work part of playing eve. If you want to play on larger scale, and not invest hundreds of dollars per month in RL cash, then you need to put in a couple hours in the salt mine once and a while.
I notice the things you like doing while mining, but those are things that you can while not mining.
Assuming you mean the semi-afk nature of mining, which for me is about 6 minutes. Sure I can watch a show, brush the dog, take a p*ss, eat a sammich, or anything else while not mining. But I can also do some of those things 'while' mining, therefore always having a flow of either isk, or resource materials coming in. It's just basic multi-tasking to me.
What entertainment value does mining have for you?
Nothing really. The entertainment only happens when something foreign is introduced into the system, such as a ganker, or group of gankers. Maybe a suspected bot will show up, which I report after the 500 million isk "bot test". (involves a hello in local, then if no response, gets a disco domi or two. If still no response, then report.  ) Other than that, mining isn't an interesting thing to do, so if nobody is around, I'll log those toons and jump into some others and go look for something to do. If my mains corp has something going on, (npc null) I will jump right into whatever is happening there.
That's about it.
o/
EVE's only legitimate ISK halving service. I have 500Billion to not give away. It's easy for you to double my money. Just send me some isk, has to be 100Mil or higher, and I will send you back half. I can't lose. One guaranteed winner every round. Do it now. |
Kaarous Aldurald
ROC Deep Space
The ROC
5862
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Posted - 2014.05.07 18:38:00 -
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Enraku Reynolt wrote:Kaarous Aldurald wrote:Dave Stark wrote:
if you want to do your part to stop bots; report them.
So you know what the difference is between a miner who is afk, and one who is botting? I sure don't. It's like the Pepsi Challenge. "9 out of 10 Caldari Navy Antimatter shells can't tell the difference!" If reporting them worked, we wouldn't have to gank them. well, that's cause you probly shoot first then ask questions later, which never works
Far from it.
But by the time you've bumped someone 30km off the belt and their lasers have shut down, the question is pretty much academic anyway.
"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."
-áPsychotic Monk for CSM9.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc
The Bloc
1055
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:17:00 -
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Riot Girl wrote:I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Suicide ganking is unaffected by inflation afaik.
No but in the larger scope, it would be if enough miners were blown-up. The suicide ships is not created out of thin air. A metric ass ton of ganks need to happen to see a real change but in theory, it "will" happen if the system is pushed far enough. |
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Lugia3
Emerald Inc.
Easily Excited
941
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:18:00 -
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Not all the bars are set to be equally difficult to obtain.
It's a bone. Give the softies an easy task so they feel good when they win a gecko.
"CCP Dolan is full of ****." - CCP Bettik |
Cygnet Lythanea
World Welfare Works Association
Independent Faction
456
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:23:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:Riot Girl wrote:I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion. Suicide ganking is unaffected by inflation afaik. No but in the larger scope, it would be if enough miners were blown-up. The suicide ships is not created out of thin air. A metric ass ton of ganks need to happen to see a real change but in theory, it "will" happen if the system is pushed far enough.
If turning on a mining laser were to self destruct your ship, stockpiles would be likely depleted in six to eight months, assuming that ship loss did not otherwise decline. |
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
3193
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:24:00 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:No but in the larger scope, it would be if enough miners were blown-up. The suicide ships is not created out of thin air. A metric ass ton of ganks need to happen to see a real change but in theory, it "will" happen if the system is pushed far enough.
The market values may change, but I'm fairly sure the relationship between the miner and the ganker will stay the same. Even if every miner is dead, except for one last miner, it still only takes a few cats to blow up his Mack (which will still be worth a lot more than the cats used to destroy it). After that, the miner and ganker become extinct and are no longer subject to the effects of inflation.
Oh god. |
Gabriel Z
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
37
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:33:00 -
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OP, it's YOU who brought the tears to the party. Just keep crying and it'll fill up soon enough. |
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
27
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:52:00 -
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Tor Norman wrote:
Honest question: What exactly do you like about mining? I notice the things you like doing while mining, but those are things that you can while not mining. What entertainment value does mining have for you?
Thee's a lot of things I like about mining. I'll confess that I'm chiefly into a lot of games because I love games where I can micromanage a ton of stuff. I'm one of those people who's OCD makes me periodically organize all my space assets, something that makes me no isk, but is something that my brain terms as "fun" or at least escapist enough to get away from the real world. Mining is of a similar vein, but I don't ine unless I have a specific goal. As an industrialist, there's a certain appeal that only EVE caters to in being able to manufacture stuff to use. When mining its not about pressing F1, its figuring out what the most efficient way to get what I want. What do I need to mine? How much of it? What's going to be the right fleet composition? Those sorts of questions. The logistics of it all. The ability to multi task and mine is also "fun" Its incorrect to assume that most miners are busy watching reality TV in the next screen, it would be more accurate to say that, if they're like me, they're also cueing up research projects, checking the markets for materials they need to purchase for production, checking where the most profitable market to sell is, whether it will sell better as ore or minerals or manufactured product. The tyranny of little things.
All those things that make EVE go round.
I'll also say that there is a somewhat bent appeal to what one may term "ninja mining" as well. Risk and reward. Getting out of a lowsec, null sec or WH space with a load of ABC is all part of the fun.
Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
493
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:54:00 -
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Mittens should just do a surprise burn jita this weekend. That would take care of it. |
Unsuccessful At Everything
The Troll Bridge
13290
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Posted - 2014.05.07 19:56:00 -
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DaReaper wrote:Mittens should just do a surprise burn jita this weekend. That would take care of it.
This.
But make it a surprise.. because hIghsec LOVES surprises!
Since the cessation of their usefulness is imminent, may I appropriate your belongings? |
Precentor Saggitus
Planet Express Transport
27
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:01:00 -
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Why do you have to wait for someone else to initiate that sort of action?
Few people understand the psycology of a highway traffic cop. Your average speeder will panic and immediately pull over to the side. This is wrong. It arouses contempt in the cop heart. Make the bastard chase you. He will follow. |
DaReaper
Net 7
The Last Brigade
493
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:02:00 -
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* wrote:
Honest question: What exactly do you like about mining? I notice the things you like doing while mining, but those are things that you can while not mining. What entertainment value does mining have for you?
When I first started eve, 10 years ago, I attempted pvp and pve. Both was not really thing. It was suggested, off handly that I try mining. So I did, and in 10 min I feel madly in love with it and with eve.
What I enjoy about mining, is the simplicity. If I had a hard day at work, a hard week, or I just want to chat and make some iskies, I toss on a miner and go mine. I can then recruit, chat, run corp or alliance affairs, and not really pay attention to what is going on.
Also the pretty colors of the lazors at times is memsmerizing. And the sound (when I play eve with sound) is a good way to lull my mind into relaxing and calming down.
These days, I do a lot of random boring task, but I find them enjoyable. Things liking running a pos, recruiting, mining, are all fun. Sure they don't get my blood pumping, but sometimes you don't want an action flick, you just want to sit on a beach drink a beer and listen to the waves as they crash onto the sand over and over.
That's what mining is. Thouse few moments in life, when you don't want a lot going on, you just want to kick back and chill.
I mined for 1 year straight, and do it off and on now. All forms of mining, rock, gas, ice same thing. Its calming. Even if I mine in hs, which is rare, and get bumped for not paying the 'code' (which can still kiss my ass btw) its a meh moment, cause usually I am mellow as a cucumber by that time anyway.
There is a simplistic beauty in mining.
Just as there is a beauty in making a ship explode into dust and collecting tears. I just like to mellow out without my blood pounding in my ears hehe
*edit opps misquoted. dunno who said the original quote, sorry about that |
Gabriel Z
Brave Newbies Inc.
Brave Collective
37
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Posted - 2014.05.07 20:02:00 -
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Unsuccessful At Everything wrote:DaReaper wrote:Mittens should just do a surprise burn jita this weekend. That would take care of it. This. But make it a surprise.. because hIghsec LOVES surprises!
also sarcasm. huge fans |
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