Ladies and gentlemen this is your nightly message to let you know that I've caught up to this point in the thread and that we still have not forgotten about you.

There's a version two of the design currently posted for the CSM in their internal forums, they've responded largely positively so far. I'm going to let them think about it overnight and if all looks good we'll post the proposal for public feedback tomorrow.

Thanks as always!

is that version "leave freighters as they are, and remember that popular suggestions aren't always good suggestions"?

Ladies and gentlemen this is your nightly message to let you know that I've caught up to this point in the thread and that we still have not forgotten about you.

There's a version two of the design currently posted for the CSM in their internal forums, they've responded largely positively so far. I'm going to let them think about it overnight and if all looks good we'll post the proposal for public feedback tomorrow.

Thanks as always!

Dave: They really should lock this thread on your last comment. lol

Given that the CSM is largely 0.0 sock puppets we can probably conclude from this that version two has no change whatsoever to diminish Jfreighter performance.

and who did you vote for?

no, need to get more posts than tippia.

seriously though, i don't really see what other choices there are. people, rightly, don't want to see their freighters nerfed. alternatively, we can't let a power creep begin.

between those two facts, we have a class of ship that's already well balanced between racial variants, doesn't encroach on another ship's role, and does it's intended role very very well.

there's no reason not to leave them as they are, and in doing so we satisfy the "don't nerf my freighter" side, and the "can't start a power creep" side.

having said that; after seeing the sisi notes and the new jump rigs... we're probably well past the point of no return now.

Low seccers combined with people who have decent ideas and realistic views.

Ladies and gentlemen this is your nightly message to let you know that I've caught up to this point in the thread and that we still have not forgotten about you.

There's a version two of the design currently posted for the CSM in their internal forums, they've responded largely positively so far. I'm going to let them think about it overnight and if all looks good we'll post the proposal for public feedback tomorrow.

Thanks as always!

You mean realistic views like "freighters and jump freighters don't need to be changed, they're fine as they are"?

No I mean "freighters are fine in and of themselves, the problem is that they make use of Jump bridges which should be nerfed just as jump capable ships (and thus Jfreighters) should be nerfed". We need more separation because that helps local null sec industry and lowers the focus on high sec industry (this will of course also require a substantial buff to null in this regard).

Anything with jump or bridging capability (BO excluded) needs to be toned down dramatically. Freighters, being given rig slots and thus having to be rebalanced because of it, is an entirely different issue and discussion.

So they need also to nerf rorqual ? if they did that I'm sure people will camp around CCP HQ with pitchforks and torches

I believe this was stated to be the goal: "To make it feasible to have Rorqual on grid when mining". Knowing the way Fozzie does things, it'll be just made impossible to have it off-grid so the only feasible way will be having it on grid, where it'll be a sitting duck, just like any freighter in hisec, waiting to be nuked.

Too late, Fozzie, I'm already unsubbed...
After all, this isn't first offense. If nobody is going to protect the industry from getting covered in Fozzie, might as well quit preemptively.

Is there any chance we're getting jump rigs? I might consider something other than cargo rigs if there was a fuel reduction one that got me better fuel/cargo than expanders. At the very least, it would provide an option for JFs that isn't either cargo or reducing the time spent warping to a hisec gate.

why post about it? just go. no one cares.

Well you should care, but you are too up your self to understand that if Eve keeps going this way then the only people left in Eve will be gankers, griefers, scammers, meta-gamers, power gamers and people who have invested too long in the game to let go of it, all those looking for immersive gameplay without being at the whim of the above will be in Elite Dangerous or Star Citizen (with their PvP bar set to no PvP...). In fact it might be fun for me just to keep this toon subbed and laugh at how irrelevant you all become as you troll each other..., now who would win in a troll battle between tibbia, Dave stark and Jenn aSide, the thought amuses me greatly...

I like the lowslot idea.

Other than the fact that it's cheaper, it's also more versatile, and allows you to change your freighter for the task.. re-rigging really isn't an option with Capital Rigs :p

I mean I need to move a LOT of crap.. Cargo.. On the way back I'm not moving much, but it's worth a fair bit.. Tank.. Gotta get it done faster ? Agility..

I won't miss the loss of warpspeed rigs as an option.. though I think adding a warpspeed low-slot item, would open up a lot of gameplay options.. if the penalty was right..

I don't think anyone is really going to miss them so long as they are % based. on a freighter that only does 1.37 AU warp with 2 t2 Hyperspatial velocity optimizers you'll do a whopping 50% more so now you'll be doing a whole 2.055 AU warp! AWWW yeah now we're moving! lol

No I mean "freighters are fine in and of themselves, the problem is that they make use of Jump bridges which should be nerfed just as jump capable ships (and thus Jfreighters) should be nerfed". We need more separation because that helps local null sec industry and lowers the focus on high sec industry (this will of course also require a substantial buff to null in this regard).

Anything with jump or bridging capability (BO excluded) needs to be toned down dramatically. Freighters, being given rig slots and thus having to be rebalanced because of it, is an entirely different issue and discussion.

You realise, of course, that this change has every potential to create problems for goons and gankers; that they weren't part of the groups who advocated this change; and that this hits nullsec harder than it does highsec.


I think he might be referring to our appearance, except that Valterra is a beat-up old Civire who can't even dress herself properly and who lacks my fabulous ass.