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ZheoTheThird
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:08:00 -
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I assume this is aimed against people living in big nullsec blobs by making it harder to live in null?
If yes, then this will backfire so badly, I don't even know how Fozzie didn't predict that.
By making it harder to live in nullsec you only make it harder for small groups, big ones will do fine by simply absorbing highsec carebear corps, once again encouraging nullsec groups to become even bigger. |
Tyrrax Thorrk
Habitual Euthanasia Pandemic Legion
323
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:09:00 -
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T-N-T wrote:funny thing what only nulli goons and pl doesnt like these changes))others fine with them
The people this is worst for are fine with the changes ? That's funny. |
ArmyOfMe
Origin. Black Legion.
301
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:10:00 -
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Im all for a nerf of jf's, as they make 0,0 life way to easy. I dont really see the point in nerfing normal freighters in such a way though, as you'r allready seeing them beeing popped all over empire space anyhow. QUOTE CCP Dolan and the EVE Online development team:-áThe battle was relatively even for some time with CFC and Russian forces holding moderate lead at first and only have a slight lead in Titan kills. Then came a turning point in the battle. Manfred Sideous, the initial Fleet Commander for PL/N3, handed over command to the CEO of Northern Coalition., Vince Draken |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21798
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:10:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Those cheers you heard at FanFest? The ones fuelled by ignorance of what was obviously going to happen, like so many of us had been saying all that time? Yeah, they just woke up and understood what we've been saying.
Quote:I fear something terrible has happened. Nothing that wasn't entirely expected.
GǪno, the amount of Gǣtold you soGǥ smugging isn't likely to go down any time soon.
T-N-T wrote:funny thing what only nulli goons and pl doesnt like these changes))others fine with them No, we're not. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Adrien Crosse
Black Frog Logistics Red-Frog
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:11:00 -
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So what point am I missing here?
These changes will have zero effect on how logistics work these days. The only thing they do is **** haulers and logi guys off, for no tradeoff whatsoever. You know, those guys who have the most fun jobs as it stands already.
I can understand the "jf op nerf" argument, but these changes don't even do anything of note to help in that regard. If things go live as they stand, or slightly changed for the sake of slightly changing them, we'll suck it up, buy the rigs, and go back to business as usual while aligning slightly slower.
Nobody is going to stop doing large scale logistics by jump freighter, nobody is going to start doing exciting escorted freighter runs.
So, what's the point of all this? |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1858
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:13:00 -
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i am fine by this... as the JF have reduced HP due to semi tech II resist now all i have to do if figure out each ships resist hole and bam. faster ganks! There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
21798
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:14:00 -
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Adrien Crosse wrote:So, what's the point of all this? Giving people what they want. vOv GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation Ineluctable.
502
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:14:00 -
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T-N-T wrote:funny thing what only nulli goons and pl doesnt like these changes))others fine with them
I am certainly not fine with this garbage.
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probag Bear
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
37
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:14:00 -
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Thanks for the increased demand for capital rigs Fozzie! |
Dave Stark
5669
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:14:00 -
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Adrien Crosse wrote:So, what's the point of all this? so that you can choose to make 1 aspect of your freighter better than it currently is, at the cost of all the other aspects. that whole "player choice" thing people have been wanting for so long. |
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Zebs Clone
Zebra Corp Gentlemen's Agreement
23
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:17:00 -
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found a new roll for the rorq then ccp. well done |
DelBoy Trades
Trotter Independent Traders.
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:18:00 -
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T-N-T wrote:So many carebears tears! I feel like this will affect none carebears just as much. As someone who lives in low/null and PVPs, getting my ships and corp ships from a hub to where we're based from is the slow, boring, monotonous task that already takes considerable time and really is the thing you put off doing, the kind of thing that makes people not want to log in and delays PVP. Just think of all the lowsec entities, NPC null entities, basically sub-coalition size pvp groups who are going to be hindered getting on and having fun. If you're trying to inspire industry in these places, it's not going to work. PVP groups want to do exactly that, that isn't going to change.
Small/medium pvp corps who dare to leave hisec and actually create some content are going to be hit worst...
"Who wants to jump freighter in replacement ships guys?"... "No?......F*%k it, let's play battefield"
Because I can't be bothered to make another post in the other thread:
Medium MJD??? This will achieve one thing; reducing subcap kills. How the hell is blueballing fleets going to advance the game? Surely you're not this out of touch already Fozzie? Damn nature, you scary! |
Steijn
Quay Industries
481
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:18:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Adrien Crosse wrote:So, what's the point of all this? so that you can choose to make 1 aspect of your freighter better than it currently is, at the cost of all the other aspects. that whole "player choice" thing people have been wanting for so long.
no, to do that you would leave everything as it is and then the rigs let you make it better than it currently is. |
Nys Cron
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
20
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:19:00 -
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This is a bad idea and will (again) make it harder for smaller groups to live in Lowsec or Nullsec and by forcing people to invest even more into Freighters/JFs just to make them roughly equivalent to before the changes even less new people will have a chance to get into the business. |
Kazanir
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
477
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:20:00 -
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I had a big post written up about this. Since I ran Goonswarm's JF service for 3 years and personally moved several billion cubic meters of EVE goods all across the universe, I have a pretty good idea of the issues involved here.
So let me ask Fozzie before writing 2,000 words about this:
Why do you want to nerf JFs? What good gameplay results do you think will come from these nerfs? What are you trying to accomplish? |
Dave Stark
5669
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:22:00 -
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Steijn wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Adrien Crosse wrote:So, what's the point of all this? so that you can choose to make 1 aspect of your freighter better than it currently is, at the cost of all the other aspects. that whole "player choice" thing people have been wanting for so long. no, to do that you would leave everything as it is and then the rigs let you make it better than it currently is. the rigs do let you make it better than it currently is....
... at the expense of the things you chose not to make better. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3134
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:22:00 -
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Kat Ayclism wrote:These changes are ******* stupid. Can you stop just changing things to change things? It does not validate your work to be screwing up the things that are right when there's other ships that actually need the rebalancing efforts.
Also, again these changes are at cross odds with the supposed intent to make localized production more possible in null- YOU STILL WILL ALWAYS HAVE TO IMPORT/EXPORT.
So your solution? LOL EVERYTHING USES MORE FUEL AND ALL THE JFS CAN HOLD LESS AND ARE LESS AGILE
Stop swinging around like a 5yo in the dark with a baseball bat. This isn't quality balancing, it's dogshit
From someone taking quotes out of context in order to yell "Goon tears!" just this week, ahahahahahhahahahahahaahahah
Eanna Heart wrote:Fozzie pls go.
"I want to encourage industry in nullsec."
"Let's make nullsec logistics more costly, difficult, and risky."
That's consistent with the design goal of people doing industry in nullsec, rather than importing everything.
You guys should use your space~~
To everyone else: You got what you asked for. I'm sorry you're not very good at asking for things that actually help you "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Cardano Firesnake
Les chevaliers de l'ordre Goonswarm Federation
151
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:23:00 -
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Seriously this modification is terrible. The freighters are already so slow! They will be even, slower. |
Takanuro
Kill-Switch Engage
106
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:23:00 -
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I think these changes pretty much suck.
Surely with such massively reduced Cargo Bay sizes the mass on these ships could go down and positive effects be found on Agility. Just gonna mean even more stuff I contract to PushX to move instead of bothering to do it myself. Yes, we're going to die, but you're coming with us!
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:23:00 -
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Steijn wrote:no, to do that you would leave everything as it is and then the rigs let you make it better than it currently is. That was never going to happen. Hell, some of the GÇ£player choiceGÇ¥ advocates even said that nerfs would be fine because choice trumps all.
So here we are: the player choice asked for is here, and to make it fit and still retain any sense of balance, nerfs will have to happen. Ask and ye shall receive. GÇ£If you're not willing to fight for what you have in GëívGëí you don't deserve it, and you will lose it.GÇ¥
Get a good start: Newbie skill plan 2.1. |
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Dirk MacGirk
Specter Syndicate Tactical Narcotics Team
34
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:25:00 -
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Dave Stark wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Those cheers you heard at FanFest? Silenced, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in utter fricken disbelief. I fear something terrible has happened. what disbelief? you've been told for a long time that this would happen.
Told rigs. Unless you were told more than that. Which they were not when "rigs coming to freighters" was proudly proclaimed on stage to wild applause. Or did I miss an announcement someplace?
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Buzz Dura
Epsilon Lyr Mordus Angels
3
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:26:00 -
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double nerf for JF... Fuel cost goes up in one thread and now cargo and align time is nerfed...
So nox for the same volume, i will pay more and in certain case i will need a second trip... |
Steijn
Quay Industries
481
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:27:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Steijn wrote:no, to do that you would leave everything as it is and then the rigs let you make it better than it currently is. That was never going to happen without a counter-balancing that made them proportionally worse. Hell, some of the GÇ£player choiceGÇ¥ advocates even said that nerfs would be fine because choice trumps all. So here we are: the player choice asked for is here, and to make it fit and still retain any sense of balance, nerfs will have to happen. Ask and ye shall receive.
I know.
btw, if anyone cant fly your Nomad and wants an Ark instead, send them to me |
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
1858
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:28:00 -
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Buzz Dura wrote:double nerf for JF... Fuel cost goes up in one thread and now cargo and align time is nerfed...
So nox for the same volume, i will pay more and in certain case i will need a second trip...
yes and a big boost to local 0.0 markets... crazy eh? There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... Winter Expansion new ship request |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11536
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:28:00 -
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T-N-T wrote:funny thing what only nulli goons and pl doesnt like these changes))others fine with them
Goons are about the only people happy with this change as it will mean even easier kills for us and even more bloated freighters to blow up.
Miniluv sends its regards. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
Dave Stark
5669
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:28:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Those cheers you heard at FanFest? Silenced, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in utter fricken disbelief. I fear something terrible has happened. what disbelief? you've been told for a long time that this would happen. Told rigs. Unless you were told more than that. Which they were not when "rigs coming to freighters" was proudly proclaimed on stage to wild applause. Or did I miss an announcement someplace?
seems you missed the discussion in every thread for the last god knows how long. every time some one made the idea of "give freighters low slots/fittings/rigs/etc" the reply was "no, let's not do that due to the massive across the board nerf freighters will get".
you didn't have to work at ccp, or be psychic to know this was going to be the outcome. |
Nightingale Actault
Divided Unity The Night Crew Alliance
25
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:29:00 -
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Batolemaeus wrote:Nightingale Actault wrote: Additionally, and off that topic, I believe these changes are also a great way to increase the viability of localized nullsec manufacturing. If less items are being JF into nullsec it will give greater opportunity for those items to be created locally at profitable levels.
I did a short look through my "shipping manifests" in recent times. About 10% of my cargo could have been produced in 0.0. Mostly ships and some ammo. So...how exactly is this supposed to improve 0.0 manufacturing?
With the increases to cost per m3 to JF materials from HS to NS, especially low value materials such as tritanium, the localized ore gathered becomes increasingly viable to use in and around the area where it is gathered. More specialized materials may still need to be JF, but rather than those who are complaining about JF ALL their items from HS it gives more margins for the localized items to be profitable. When you start with an increase in these small items, you give the local economy a foothold to grow from.
A local economy is primarily going to be compromised of these small groups that everyone thinks are now being nerfed, when in fact it gives them a reason to not jump everything to and from HS, and more reason to use what they create from their space. |
Khanh'rhh
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
3135
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:29:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Steijn wrote:no, to do that you would leave everything as it is and then the rigs let you make it better than it currently is. That was never going to happen without a counter-balancing that made them proportionally worse. Hell, some of the GÇ£player choiceGÇ¥ advocates even said that nerfs would be fine because choice trumps all. So here we are: the player choice asked for is here, and to make it fit and still retain any sense of balance, nerfs will have to happen. Ask and ye shall receive.
Because Eve-O commentators ask to eat the cake, but hope they can secretly keep it at the same time and CCP won't notice. When they realise that's not going to happen, and changes like this happen, they throw a big hissy fit. "Do not touch anything unnecessarily. Beware of pretty girls in dance halls and parks who may be spies, as well as bicycles, revolvers, uniforms, arms, dead horses, and men lying on roads -- they are not there accidentally." -Soviet infantry manual, issued in the 1930 |
Batolemaeus
Free-Space-Ranger Nulli Secunda
66
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:30:00 -
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MeBiatch wrote:Buzz Dura wrote:double nerf for JF... Fuel cost goes up in one thread and now cargo and align time is nerfed...
So nox for the same volume, i will pay more and in certain case i will need a second trip... yes and a big boost to local 0.0 markets... crazy eh?
Explain how. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
11536
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Posted - 2014.05.17 18:30:00 -
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Dirk MacGirk wrote:Dave Stark wrote:Dirk MacGirk wrote:Those cheers you heard at FanFest? Silenced, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in utter fricken disbelief. I fear something terrible has happened. what disbelief? you've been told for a long time that this would happen. Told rigs. Unless you were told more than that. Which they were not when "rigs coming to freighters" was proudly proclaimed on stage to wild applause. Or did I miss an announcement someplace?
We knew what adding rigs would mean. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship |
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