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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
409
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:25:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote: After careful consideration and consultation with CSM9, who have displayed an outstanding level of support in assisting with this issue, CCP has taken the decision to permanently ban the founder of SOMER Blink from EVE Online across all accounts, with immediate effect.
CCP Falcon wrote:Following the promotion, CCP no longer regards SOMER Blink as a fair or legitimate service within the EVE Community. We are unable to provide reimbursements as per section 1.3 of our reimbursement policy, so itGÇÖs good to see that SOMER Blink is shutting down in a controlled and stable manner, and that players will be able to withdraw their ISK and / or assets. While we will be monitoring this closely, we have no intention of interfering with the process, as we feel that allowing players to be able to have their assets and/or ISK returned by SOMER Blink will is an important part of bringing this situation to a solid resolution.
I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone? |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20264
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:30:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone? It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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CCP Falcon
8295
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:32:00 -
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Mike Azariah wrote:
1) 2) 3) 5) 6) 7)
You're the worst Mike.
Anarchist.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Andski
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
11056
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:34:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone? It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice.
don't forget passing down all the blame
that is absolutely crucial Twitter: @EVEAndski
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20264
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:35:00 -
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Andski wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone? It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice. don't forget passing down all the blame that is absolutely crucial True true, credit flows up, blame flows down.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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CCP Falcon
8300
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:40:00 -
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HarlyQ wrote:I am waiting to see more requests about what items got banned with somers accounts. I'm not sure if CCP releases that type of info but look for prices on assumed banned ships to jump.
We don't release information of this nature
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
409
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:41:00 -
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CCP Manifest wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP. Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted. So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us. As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do.
In other words.... There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. |
Niko Lorenzio
United Eve Directorate
409
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:41:00 -
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Please Delete... Forums acting weird lately & double posting. |
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CCP Falcon
8300
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:41:00 -
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Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure
I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX.
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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Henry Plantgenet
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:42:00 -
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i wonder if every CCP member has to consult the legal team before making a forum post. you know so they properly represent CCP if they represent CCP and explicitly say or not when they're just doing their own thing (banter, having a good time, etc.) Bring on the Bureacracy |
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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20264
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:43:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. So what you're saying that the incredibly rare ships are now sat in CCPs corporate hangar and may be used in a live event sometime in the future?
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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CCP Falcon
8300
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:44:00 -
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Henry Plantgenet wrote:i wonder if every CCP member has to consult the legal team before making a forum post. you know so they properly represent CCP if they represent CCP and explicitly say or not when they're just doing their own thing (banter, having a good time, etc.) Bring on the Bureacracy
CCP Falcon || Community Manager || @CCP_Falcon
Happy Birthday To FAWLTY7! <3 |
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James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11254
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:44:00 -
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Niko Lorenzio wrote:CCP Manifest wrote:AkJon Ferguson wrote:*Snip* Please refrain from personal attacks. ISD Ezwal.
"Second, SOMER Blink advertised the promotion as being GÇ£approved by CCP.GÇ¥ But SOMER Blink never had permission from CCP to make such a statement,"
In other words: Yes, the promotion was approved by CCP. But we didn't give him permission to tell people that it was approved by CCP. Actually the promotion as it was enacted was not approved by us--nor was it the same as one they had discussed with us previously. That part is in the paragraph after the one you quoted. So what you quoted above is us saying that we didn't give permission to SOMER Blink to say the non-approved promotion was approved by us. As, one would imagine would be a thing we would do. In other words.... There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say, there are things that we know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know we don't know. That quote is pertinent and insightful regardless of who said it or what they did. Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Natako Pirkibo
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:45:00 -
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Jarnis McPieksu wrote:Any consideration regarding the fact that this action will most likely remove a large number of unique items from the game (namely, numerous AT prize ships and other not-obtainable-ever-again type ships that are/were in possession of Somer)?
A potential solution would be to auction these unique items through public contracts with the ISK going to CCP (ie. removed from the game). Might even help fight the inflation a bit :)
Zero phux given. Noone flies that s*** longer than it takes to lock it.
Two step wrote:Are you concerned that banning Somer might lock up ISK/assets that could otherwise be used to repay players?
Even less phux given. If you gamble, you should be ready to loose your stuff in 99.(9)% cases. Hell, every time you throw your stuff in a gambling action, consider it being lost. Every time you win, consider gaining a free stuff. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20264
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:47:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:[img]http://www.boxwapper.info/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/grumpy-cat-no-just-no-meme-gein18pr.png[/img] I am jelly of your forum superpowers, especially the ability to post cat pictures "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
TigerXtrm
Black Thorne Corporation Black Thorne Alliance
853
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:47:00 -
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So are you guys also researching (or have already done) the connection to Markee Dragon? I mean, the guy has been involved in multiple RMT schemes over the years for many different games. All of which got shut down, all for which he got banned for. And now here's another MMO money making scheme, low and behold Markee Dragon is tied directly to it. My YouTube Channel - EVE Tutorials & other game related things! |
Rroff
Questionable Ethics. Ministry of Inappropriate Footwork
729
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:50:00 -
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Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone? It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice.
Which if Somer was involved in RMTing "by the book" should ostensibly mean confiscating or locking of all those assets (obviously actually tracking them, etc. is another matter), otherwise if its just for the publishing of internal memos and other sideline EULA breaches, which have mostly come about due to marginalisation even if Somer was in the wrong, this has taken a step in a very dubious direction.
EDIT: This is assuming that the correspondence Somer published isn't faked and the proposal is word for word as submitted to CCP. |
HarlyQ
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:55:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:HarlyQ wrote:I am waiting to see more requests about what items got banned with somers accounts. I'm not sure if CCP releases that type of info but look for prices on assumed banned ships to jump. We don't release information of this nature Thank you for the quick response keep up the good work. Btw loved the fifty shades if Grey response. |
Derrick Miles
EVENumbers
2524
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:56:00 -
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CCP Falcon, is there any chance this might inspire a clearer definition of the third party rules and guidelines going forward? As it stands it seems that they are spread all over the place in articles, blogs, and years of forum posts. A big incident like this one can be kind of intimidating for first-time developers when the rules aren't exactly clearly laid out, especially when the result is a ban and the exact cause of the ban is unknown. |
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
20265
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:58:00 -
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Rroff wrote:Jonah Gravenstein wrote:Niko Lorenzio wrote:I'm confused. If all his accounts are banned immediately, how are you going to "allow" him to return the ISK to anyone? It's called delegation, you pass all the work off to your minions while taking all of the credit and raking in the cash. It's a fairly common business practice. Which if Somer was involved in RMTing "by the book" should ostensibly mean confiscating or locking of all those assets (obviously actually tracking them, etc. is another matter), otherwise if its just for the publishing of internal memos and other sideline EULA breaches, which have mostly come about due to marginalisation even if Somer was in the wrong, this has taken a step in a very dubious direction. Much of the isk will be held in the corporate wallet, which "employees" of SomerBlink will have access to, not Somers personal wallet which is probably locked.
Somer and his/her alts are banned, not the "employees" of his corporation, or the corporation itself.
"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."-á - Abrazzar
Nil mortifi sine lucre. |
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Frantico
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
52
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Posted - 2014.08.20 23:58:00 -
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CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX.
This makes no sence at all. CCP has done this before and taken this action Except now its about Eve history and ships that have been around since the begining and not a small amount of them. These are worth more to people because they are a part of our game. instead of a stack of plexes. what makes me think you dont actualy play the game you work for is that you dont understand the importance of history in this game and what people feel about it. i will never be ablet o afford these ships in question but i like the idea there are these rare 1 of a kind ships out there that people have and not that all of them are sitting on banned accounts.
But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes
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Febreeze
Pentergy United Federation of Commerce
20
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:00:00 -
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Frantico wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. This makes no sence at all. CCP has done this before and taken this action Except now its about Eve history and ships that have been around since the begining and not a small amount of them. These are worth more to people because they are a part of our game. instead of a stack of plexes. what makes me think you dont actualy play the game you work for is that you dont understand the importance of history in this game and what people feel about it. i will never be ablet o afford these ships in question but i like the idea there are these rare 1 of a kind ships out there that people have and not that all of them are sitting on banned accounts. But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes
I have to agree, its too bad CCP doesn't understand the importance of history or the impact of their actions. |
Gully Alex Foyle
Black Fox Marauders Repeat 0ffenders
1865
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:03:00 -
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Frantico wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. This makes no sence at all. CCP has done this before and taken this action Except now its about Eve history and ships that have been around since the begining and not a small amount of them. These are worth more to people because they are a part of our game. instead of a stack of plexes. what makes me think you dont actualy play the game you work for is that you dont understand the importance of history in this game and what people feel about it. i will never be ablet o afford these ships in question but i like the idea there are these rare 1 of a kind ships out there that people have and not that all of them are sitting on banned accounts. But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes Hint: one of them also exists in the real world. Make space glamorous! Is EVE dying or not? Ask the EVE-O Death-o-meter! |
HarlyQ
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
3
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:04:00 -
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Frantico wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. This makes no sence at all. CCP has done this before and taken this action Except now its about Eve history and ships that have been around since the begining and not a small amount of them. These are worth more to people because they are a part of our game. instead of a stack of plexes. what makes me think you dont actualy play the game you work for is that you dont understand the importance of history in this game and what people feel about it. i will never be ablet o afford these ships in question but i like the idea there are these rare 1 of a kind ships out there that people have and not that all of them are sitting on banned accounts. But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes Because it was banned out of the game. If you really want to see one of these rare ships try google search ;) |
Frantico
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
52
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:05:00 -
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HarlyQ wrote:Frantico wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. This makes no sence at all. CCP has done this before and taken this action Except now its about Eve history and ships that have been around since the begining and not a small amount of them. These are worth more to people because they are a part of our game. instead of a stack of plexes. what makes me think you dont actualy play the game you work for is that you dont understand the importance of history in this game and what people feel about it. i will never be ablet o afford these ships in question but i like the idea there are these rare 1 of a kind ships out there that people have and not that all of them are sitting on banned accounts. But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes Because it was banned out of the game. If you really want to see one of these rare ships try google search ;)
So were the plexes they returned and gave out as prizes :) thats my point |
James Amril-Kesh
4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation
11256
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:07:00 -
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"I'm mad that this ship which was going to sit in a player's hangar forever is now sitting in a banned player's hangar forever." Enjoying the rain today? ;) |
Cryo Kool
Tax Holiday
35
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:08:00 -
[327] - Quote
CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. I would like to see an in space, flight museum added where we can go to view these ships. Place a beacon in amarr or something and put a model of each rare ship out there.
Better yet, place a model of each ship ever made by each faction in the appropriate empire region. (include the pirate faction ones that relate to the empire ones in that area). |
HarlyQ
Amok. Goonswarm Federation
4
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:09:00 -
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Frantico wrote:HarlyQ wrote:Frantico wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. This makes no sence at all. CCP has done this before and taken this action Except now its about Eve history and ships that have been around since the begining and not a small amount of them. These are worth more to people because they are a part of our game. instead of a stack of plexes. what makes me think you dont actualy play the game you work for is that you dont understand the importance of history in this game and what people feel about it. i will never be ablet o afford these ships in question but i like the idea there are these rare 1 of a kind ships out there that people have and not that all of them are sitting on banned accounts. But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes Because it was banned out of the game. If you really want to see one of these rare ships try google search ;) So were the plexes they returned and gave out as prizes :) thats my point Well I guess I have to spoon feed you. The PLEX cost real money the ships cost isk. Easy :) |
Sniper Smith
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
192
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:10:00 -
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Cryo Kool wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:"We do not remove ISK or assets from banned accounts to re-distribute them into the game, regardless of their rarity or value." well actualy you do you did it with Plexes, So there is presidence for this action beeing taken *edited* https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=336609feels dumb i have tell ccp what ccp has done but sure I don't really count ISK and Assets (meaning incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX. I would like to see an in space, flight museum added where we can go to view these ships. Place a beacon in amarr or something and put a model of each rare ship out there. Better yet, CCP should auction them off next time there's a PLEX4Good. |
Geenemen
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
2
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Posted - 2014.08.21 00:11:00 -
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Febreeze wrote:Frantico wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:Frantico wrote:*edit* incredibly rare ships that are potentially worth hundreds of billions of ISK) as even remotely the same as a stack of PLEX.
But if you can humor me to explain why a part of eve history is less important than a stack of plexes I have to agree, its too bad CCP doesn't understand the importance of history or the impact of their actions.
Like my grandfather used to say. Everyone and everything has a price. You just have to know what it is, and be willing to pay it. |
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