Hello every1 =) thank you for your fittings.

Just a bit of Info for all those who just try agents. Today I messed up totaly. Was fighting Guristas Burner = Worm in a Daredevil and instead of fitting MWD i fitted AB and ofcourse I could not catch the ****... and so I already said goodbye to expensive fit but decided to run till the cap boosters end =) so I flew towards the planet... and when i was out for about 300-400km from Burner base he just flew back... It was my last of 11 navy cap booster charges. BUT I AM ALIVE!!!! Just so you know! Never give up and run run run if **** hits the fan.

2) How close to perfect skills you need to be in order to complete 4 Dramiels in Vigilant? Can I possibly cover lack of Minmatar cruiser 5 and T2 hybrids? (Yeah, I know, that's huge, but still...)

Why Void is recommended? Is tracking penalty small enough to not matter?

Also it seems that there's triple web setup without MWD, with mobile depot used to refit with MWD later. Any comments on that one?

Any T3 10MN AB setup works same reasons why a 100MN VNI or Ishtar works.
A Confessor with 10MN in prop mode ~2620 m/s so roughly the same speed as the Vagabond but is lacking the DPS. From my experience you will need about +3min compared to a Vagabond and you are running the risk of getting one shot by Talos.

You should be ok with Mini Cruiser 4 and with Meta 4 guns with antimatter. Void vs Antimatter in PvE with 2x 84% webs (in your case with Min CR 4)not much of a difference in real applicated DPS. Void is cheaper and gives you more basic damage so any smashed or penetrate hit is more damage than with antimatter.

Triple web + mobile depot ~1:30min wasted time but works.

Have you flown a Confessor? Mine does 530 dps. A Vagabond is going to have almost 500 sig radius using a MWD, while the Confessor still has only a 60 sig radius. Sure it can be one shot if the pilot screws up spiraling in, but that is the only downside to using a Confessor.

Of course, when the Hecate comes along; it's going to make the Confessor look tame.

...but more important you have to maintain your speed at ~2600 m/s and orbit the Talos that means even with small guns lots of angular velocity. Try a DPS graph with EFT on a target with ~120m/s and full transversal, so roughly @5km orbit 300DPS.

Did I miss something?

Yes, on paper
Confessor with Conflag + OH ~ 530DPS
Vagabond with Hail + OH 420mm ~696DPS
with the Confessor you aren't shooting into the resistance hole of the Talos (see Burner stats) but more important you have to maintain your speed at ~2600 m/s and orbit the Talos that means even with small guns lots of angular velocity. Try a DPS graph with EFT on a target with ~120m/s and full transversal, so roughly @5km orbit 300DPS.
You can of course switch into defense mode and stop burning but in my experience getting out of orbit after killing the Talos without speed is very risky and i was one shot several times.

The sig radius on the Vagabond is 389 not 500 but that doesn't really matter, the point with the Vagabond is you have the best speed to DPS ratio to get the Talos killed fastest. You don't have to orbit in the Vagabond you can use keep at range and approach to reduce your angular velocity and get max DPS.

About the Hecate, could be but it faces the same problems all T3 have.


Edit:
The Vagabond has another advantage:
- At 70 to 60km range, command your Vagabond into a 5km orbit. Shut down your MWD cycle when you are at ~40km range
- Lock the Talos at ~25km, start shooting, launch your Drones too
- When you are in orbit, more or less at 5km with around 500m/s the Talos has lost its shield and is already bleeding armor. Use now keep at range at 4km, OH your guns, and use approach when the Talos is at low armor.

Can you do Burner missions in a Tengu?

why the Medium Anti-Kinetic Pump II ? it should be the em one.

that plus if you are going to drone tank I'd say swap at least one low slot for a dps mod, will help you burn down more drams while they are busy with drones and not shooting you. I notice a huge difference between 1 and 2 mag stabs, I can't imagine running with 0. With 1 dda and 1 mag stab you kill the drams about the same as vespa IIs kill the hauler, I much prefer the 2 mag stabs to kill the drams as fast as I can, and then refit to DDA (or lately just ignore the DDAs and mwd over and one or two shot the hauler).

and agree 100% on bring a mobile depot. I start with a painter to help burn down the drams, and swap to a mwd to finish off and loot the hauler.

On another note, Is there a single frigate that can solo all of the burner agents? I find them much more annoying than the burner teams. I think a Cruor, Daredevil, or Vengence are the most likely ships. Right now I am using a passive tanked jaguar(200-400 dps tank) and a hyena to do the agents, but would rather be able to do them solo.

The agent missions are sort of bullshit. succubus has 14km orbit at 3100 m/s with a 19km scram and web and it puts out 170 dps 80% of it em and 20% of it therm. You either need a dram with faction overheated webs or a cruor to do it as a brawler, possibly some missile ship would work, but it will be hard to tank when painters take up mid slots. Not to mention you can't really shield tank it well with that 80%em dmg, so you need a missile ship with 4 lows, 1 mid for cap booster, and probably 2 more for missile mods or painter/web.

I haven't tried the worm yet, but I bet that one will be annoying, I'm thinking a daredevil can probably do it if you catch him in time.

Apologies if this was asked before, but can the unified Daredevil fit "permatank" (within cap booster limits) the DPS of the burners, or will it break in a close DPS race?

Yes, I successfully completed burner Talos with that fit just by switching out the hardners for kinetic and thermal, but I tried it again later that day and forgot to release drones and lost the ship in the first 30 seconds unfortunately.

In the future I am going to go with something more tanky.



On another note, Is there a single frigate that can solo all of the burner agents? I find them much more annoying than the burner teams. I think a Cruor, Daredevil, or Vengence are the most likely ships. Right now I am using a passive tanked jaguar(200-400 dps tank) and a hyena to do the agents, but would rather be able to do them solo.

The agent missions are sort of bullshit. succubus has 14km orbit at 3100 m/s with a 19km scram and web and it puts out 170 dps 80% of it em and 20% of it therm. You either need a dram with faction overheated webs or a cruor to do it as a brawler, possibly some missile ship would work, but it will be hard to tank when painters take up mid slots. Not to mention you can't really shield tank it well with that 80%em dmg, so you need a missile ship with 4 lows, 1 mid for cap booster, and probably 2 more for missile mods or painter/web.

I haven't tried the worm yet, but I bet that one will be annoying, I'm thinking a daredevil can probably do it if you catch him in time.

Is there a gunnery based ship that can run the Ashimuu Burner mission?

I don't have missile skills for the Gila or Cerebus, and I don't have T2 Heavy Drones for the Ishtar yet (I'm losing faction drones on Sisi).

This ship can't really have 11 sig radius can it?