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Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2699	Posted - 2014.08.27 06:31:00 - [31] - Quote Jenn aSide wrote: Your problem was thinking that pve could ever be anything else. NPCs aren't people, people are the ones who provide unpredictability. Let's not talk about how "unpredictable" people are in Eve. Your ship has x slots but only 1 or 2 "correct" combinations of mods, I have pretty good chance to guess your fit correctly. Only thing I cannot predict is what's your poison: solo, linky solo, falcon alt solo, baiting for friends to warp in, baiting for friends to cyno in... But after first encounter I will know that too. Go people! \o/ Invalid signature format
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire 147	Posted - 2014.08.27 07:04:00 - [32] - Quote Queotzcatl wrote: Hot the bloody hell is it going to work?? Didi you tried and live?? I tried iy and die! About this fit. Why anti kinetic pump? I tried this fit, get into 50% Dramiel shield, by that time I was in hull, overheating, and didnt have a chance to activate once the cap injector, i was dead before. Do you use implants or what? Its not going to tank the Dram for real The Burner Dramiel was DPS buffed, you need to overheat you Hardeners and maybe your armor rep, that depends on your skills. I never had any problems. Try this before you are on grid: 0. Set keep at range to 1.2km 1. activate both Hardeners While in warp: 1. overheat both Hardeners 2. Preoverheat your guns and armor rep On Grid: 1. Lock the Burner Dramiel 2. Use keep at range 3. Web and shot him 4. Start your armor rep when you are in low shield If you can't overheat and still want to use the DD, exchange the mag stab with a kinetic Hardener or get even higher explo resistances with a B-Type explo Hardener or use another ship with higher explo resistances like the Vengeance. The Burner Dramiel uses Fusion that is 83% explo and 17% kin Damage. Torgeir Hekard wrote: Worm and DD - dunno. I did manage to get them in DD before burner changes, but no luck since the last SiSi patch (didn't try worm because lol scram). DD now has like 320 DPS and wipes the floor with all possible kinds of DDs I come up with. Yep, the Burner Daredevil was DPS buffed, too. The rail DD doesn't work anymore. Rail Enyo or Ishkur or Hawk works nice. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Lugalzagezi666 229	Posted - 2014.08.27 07:47:00 - [33] - Quote Dont forget that rats can also land wrecking shots on you, happened to me in fight with cruor, he got my dd to structure. Safety first!
WASPY69 Hard Knocks Inc. 309	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:04:00 - [34] - Quote I just tried one for the heck of it, and ended up with the Sansha one. I tried about 20 fits between 5 different ships (Retribution, Hawk, Daredevil, etc..) Keep in mind this was before I saw this thread. And this is the fit I ended up beating it with. Didn't even break a sweat. And I'd imagine that with Coreli A-type Plate and reppers (dirt cheap on TQ) this would be almost afk worthy. So this was the fit I used: [Retribution, Sansha Burner] Heat Sink II Heat Sink II Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II EM Plating II Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script Small Capacitor Booster II, Navy Cap Booster 400 Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [Empty High slot] Small Anti-EM Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Overheated a bit where needed (not much, mainly to kill him faster). Took about 2 or so minutes I think. That being said, I will probably never do these on TQ, just a fun, one time "challenge" before everyone has EFT warrior'd these to hell.
Esme Moya Mencken Republic Military School Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.08.27 08:28:00 - [35] - Quote So much success in this thread so far. I'll be the first to come out and say I lost a Worm tonight...on TQ. Sincerely underestimated the difficulty. ::hangs head in shame::
Ynef Tesseract Industries 9	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:03:00 - [36] - Quote I actually figured out these fits too on SiSi, but I lack the skill to fit T2 guns so not enough DPS. Retry in a few months. Also Faction mods are not available on the market there.
Archetype 66 Epsilon Lyr Mordus Angels 159	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:12:00 - [37] - Quote Additional info on how to use the Vengeance fit. You are not supposed to hold the tank against it. It's a race, not that tricky, but dont waste your time. Pre overheat 2/3 launcher and pre activate the 3 webs + all launchers, pre overheat your armor rep and turn it on as soon as your shield reach ~90%. Target the bastard, hit keep at range and look at your ship burns everywhere, causing the enemy to the explosion. Archetype 66 wrote: And the Angel Dramiel with that (1min20. Also I got AF lvl IV only ^^) : [Vengeance, Angel burner] Explosive Plating II Ballistic Control System II Small Armor Repairer II Ballistic Control System II Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket [empty high slot] Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II Small Warhead Rigor Catalyst II
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 592	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:23:00 - [38] - Quote Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR. I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness.
Archetype 66 Epsilon Lyr Mordus Angels 159	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:29:00 - [39] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR. I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness. They are all dealing around 250 DPS.
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire 148	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:31:00 - [40] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR. I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness. Burner racial DPS varies from ~230 to ~300 DPS, the problem is if you tank the AF like hell you won't break the tank of the Burner. You need between ~200 to ~280 racial DPS on your frig to break the Burner tank. "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar

Archetype 66 Epsilon Lyr Mordus Angels 159	Posted - 2014.08.27 09:33:00 - [41] - Quote As for the Blood Raider Cruor, I'll try an alternative to the Daredevil/Worm/Wolf with a Jaguar appoach : [Jaguar, Blood Raider Burner] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Small Armor Repairer II Adaptive Nano Plating II Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Optical Tracking Computer I 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S 200mm AutoCannon II, Hail S Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Nova Rocket Small Anti-Thermic Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Edit : Screw that. The cap booster will not hold the 3 meds active.
Apocalypse Solar Nova Solar Industries Inc. 5	Posted - 2014.08.27 11:30:00 - [42] - Quote I think they might have overbuffed the angel burner.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 592	Posted - 2014.08.27 11:41:00 - [43] - Quote Jori McKie wrote: Maeltstome wrote: Lets get real here: What is their DPS BEFORE resists are applied. For every racial damage type you can over-tank an AF to mitigate 90%-95% of the damage. That means they need to be dealing 600 DPS to break the tank of a single SAR. I applaud the use of the DD to overpower them, but it's hardly know for it's tankiness. Burner racial DPS varies from ~230 to ~280 DPS, the problem is if you tank the AF like hell you won't break the tank of the Burner. You need between ~200 to ~280 racial DPS on your frig to break the Burner tank. Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit. 2 Hardeners should reach 85%-95% resist across 2 damage types on the right AF. The wolfs against pure Thermal/EM is ridiculous.
Torgeir Hekard I MYSELF AND ME 46	Posted - 2014.08.27 12:06:00 - [44] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: [quote=Jori McKie] Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit. Nnnah. Actual numbers on NPC tank are much lower. At least I had about 200 effective DPS against blood and about 120 against sansha. Both was enough. Actually kinda overkill for blood, just makes it faster. I think he would even die to 120 applied DPS, only you'd have to have a spare indy with booster charges.
Lugalzagezi666 229	Posted - 2014.08.27 12:10:00 - [45] - Quote Maeltstome wrote: Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit. 2 Hardeners should reach 85%-95% resist across 2 damage types on the right AF. The wolfs against pure Thermal/EM is ridiculous. Well I managed to kill blood raider guy with 370dps (oh) pimped wolf in 2m30s. Was fun little bit since 2 times I injected right before cruors neut cycle and got maybe 2-3 cycles of rep before capping out. I havent got angel one since changes, but before them I could easily break him with 200dps vengeance.
Maeltstome Twisted Insanity. The Kadeshi 592	Posted - 2014.08.27 12:17:00 - [46] - Quote Seems the the required DPS to kill these is much lower than expected. Anything > 180DPS (in optimal) seems to do ok from what people are saying. I take it the long range fast kiters do less DPS/Tank similar to actual PVP fits?
Apocalypse Solar Nova Solar Industries Inc. 5	Posted - 2014.08.27 12:18:00 - [47] - Quote Lugalzagezi666 wrote: [quote=Maeltstome] I havent got angel one since changes, but before them I could easily break him with 200dps vengeance. The Dramiel is a lot tougher now. His tank is pretty insane as is his DPS. I had over 200 dps vengeance using suggested fits and couldnt break him before I died.
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire 149	Posted - 2014.08.27 12:38:00 - [48] - Quote Torgeir Hekard wrote: Maeltstome wrote: Well here comes the racial imbalance then: Good luck getting that DPS from Minmatar/Amarr. Hybrids are uniqely capable of doing that DPS withtou total death of the fit. Nnnah. Actual numbers on NPC tank are much lower. At least I had about 200 effective DPS against blood and about 120 against sansha. Both was enough. Actually kinda overkill for blood, just makes it faster. I think he would even die to 120 applied DPS, only you'd have to have a spare indy with booster charges. It varies a lot. The Burner Dramiel and Burner Daredevil both do a shitton of damage and the Dramiel tank is quite good. The Burner Succubus is the easiest one, weak tank and DPS. The tough nut is the Burner Cruor, high DPS at 3km big buffer tank with some reps. The Burner Worm has high alpha damage and an even better tank than the Burner Dramiel. Yes you can take them down with under 200 racial DPS but it will take more time, wasted time not to add that with low DPS you run the risk of burning overheated mods, miss a cap inject or made another fatal error resulting in loosing your ship. So 200 racial DPS is more or less the minimum to kill the Burner, but having close to 300 doesn't hurt. Dramiel, high end DPS needed Worm, high end DPS needed Daredevil, doesn't hurt to have high end DPS Cruor, high end DPS recommend otherwise you will waste time Succubus, do whatever you like it will die ;) "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1587	Posted - 2014.08.27 13:34:00 - [49] - Quote Schmata Bastanold wrote: Heh, that was quick. So long new content excitement, welcome back predictable minmaxing grind. want excitement? Go PVP.. go hunt people and get money from their drops. I find funnyt hat carebears complain missions are not exciting and have no risk or need of skill then they say.. noo no pvp, pvp has risk and you nee too much skill. "If brute force does not solve your problem..... -áthen you are -ásurely not using enough!"
jackudza Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:33:00 - [50] - Quote Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well. Some videos with fits if you are interested: Blood Raider Anomic Site Serpentis Anomic Site Sansha Anomic Site Angel Anomic Site Perfect skills but no implants/boosters.

Jenn aSide Smokin Aces. 7807	Posted - 2014.08.27 14:36:00 - [51] - Quote jackudza wrote: Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well. Some videos with fits if you are interested: Blood Raider Anomic Site Serpentis Anomic Site Sansha Anomic Site Angel Anomic Site Perfect skills but no implants/boosters. You can't get enough likes for doing this. +1000
Schmata Bastanold Black Rebel Rifter Club The Devil's Tattoo 2701	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:18:00 - [52] - Quote Kagura Nikon wrote: want excitement? Go PVP.. go hunt people and get money from their drops. I find funnyt hat carebears complain missions are not exciting and have no risk or need of skill then they say.. noo no pvp, pvp has risk and you nee too much skill. Said hisec gank monkey... Invalid signature format
Apocalypse Solar Nova Solar Industries Inc. 5	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:30:00 - [53] - Quote jackudza wrote: Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well. Some videos with fits if you are interested: Blood Raider Anomic Site Serpentis Anomic Site Sansha Anomic Site Angel Anomic Site Perfect skills but no implants/boosters. The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists. Did you record this before they buffed this encounter?
Lugalzagezi666 229	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:32:00 - [54] - Quote Apocalypse Solar wrote: The Dramiel is a lot tougher now. His tank is pretty insane as is his DPS. I had over 200 dps vengeance using suggested fits and couldnt break him before I died. Just did angel mission and could easily break him with triple web vengeance with around 175 dps (although it took twice as long as before the changes). Tank barely moved (centii sar, a type explosive plating and t2 eamn) so I guess double bcs is easily possible. I even had small electron blaster (33dps) in spare high, but forgot to keep range, so it didnt manage to land a single hit.
Archetype 66 Epsilon Lyr Mordus Angels 159	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:34:00 - [55] - Quote Apocalypse Solar wrote: jackudza wrote: Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well. Some videos with fits if you are interested: Blood Raider Anomic Site Serpentis Anomic Site Sansha Anomic Site Angel Anomic Site Perfect skills but no implants/boosters. The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists. Did you record this before they buffed this encounter? Impossible, it's my Vengeance fit I posted after that change
Archetype 66 Epsilon Lyr Mordus Angels 159	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:35:00 - [56] - Quote Archetype 66 wrote: Apocalypse Solar wrote: jackudza wrote: Posted already to Test Server Feedback thread but duplicate here as well. Some videos with fits if you are interested: Blood Raider Anomic Site Serpentis Anomic Site Sansha Anomic Site Angel Anomic Site Perfect skills but no implants/boosters. The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists. Did you record this before they buffed this encounter? Impossible, it's my Vengeance fit with a bit of unecessary bling bling. And I posted after that change
jackudza Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 3	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:38:00 - [57] - Quote Apocalypse Solar wrote: The Dramiel in the video seems to be doing very low damage ... I fought this earlier and was getting hit almost twice as hard with 90% explosive resists. Did you record this before they buffed this encounter? I recorded them after some patch yesterday. But there were two patches. I do not remember which exactly.
Apocalypse Solar Nova Solar Industries Inc. 5	Posted - 2014.08.27 15:49:00 - [58] - Quote Archetype 66 wrote: Impossible, it's my Vengeance fit wiht a bit of unecessary bling bling, and I posted it after that change It's bizarre because I used that exact same Vengeance fit on the Dramiel Burner, and died even when overheating everything. Only thing I swapped out were the Rigor II for their T1 variants. This ship can't really have 11 sig radius can it? Darn. I just don't understand why I died, skills aren't an issue that's for sure.
Lugalzagezi666 229	Posted - 2014.08.27 16:01:00 - [59] - Quote So angel guy got buffed and then nerfed again or what happened?
Jori McKie Friends Of Harassment The Camel Empire 149	Posted - 2014.08.27 16:09:00 - [60] - Quote Three options: Either you guys are all mixing up stuff or CCP build in a random factor - intentionally and didn't tell us or CCP build in a random factor - and don't know about it "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." --áAbrazzar



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