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Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
808
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Posted - 2016.12.14 07:33:38 -
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Here is the build I use:
[Daredevil, GÇÿUnifiedGÇÖ Burner Succubus - Ion Daredevil] Corpii A-Type Small Armor Repairer Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Magnetic Field Stabilizer II Core B-Type Armor EM Hardener
Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Light Ion Blaster II, Void S [empty high slot] Light Ion Blaster II, Void S
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Here is the emthod I use as well:
OH EM Hardener, Afterburner, Web(1 cycle) and Guns. Keep at range 1km. Activate Hardeners, Rep, Web and AB. Once within 3KM turn off OH on AB and activate Guns. Activate Cap Booster once cap is low.
There's more burner fits and info in the link in my sig.
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
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Mad Kosiarz
PCG Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.12.14 20:11:45 -
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Still no luck. I used the method above but my modules get damaged too quickly, I am probably missing some skills?
Anyhow I wanted to try different approach and I took your Garmur fit:
[Garmur, Mad] Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive Missile Guidance Computer II Missile Guidance Computer II Phased Scoped Target Painter
Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher
Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II
Missile Range Script x4 Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket x5000 Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket x10804
I took my rookie char in T1 frigate fitted for speed and tested if I can safely orbit this Succubus at 30km. I was successful. So I thought this fit should do, I could orbit at 29 KM (max range for my rockets) at maximum MWD speed.
I want to ask if I am going for certain death as this is mega expensive fit. |
Anize Oramara
The Arch Dashing Dashers
808
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Posted - 2016.12.15 06:07:53 -
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My Overheat skills are al still at 4 atm so it's definitely doable with that. THe succubus is one of the easiest burners. If you;re struggling then it's a general lack of soft and support skills. My guide has a link to videos (no voice over) of me running each site, maybe that will help?
A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3
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Mad Kosiarz
PCG Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.12.15 11:06:16 -
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Anize Oramara wrote:My Overheat skills are al still at 4 atm so it's definitely doable with that. THe succubus is one of the easiest burners. If you;re struggling then it's a general lack of soft and support skills. My guide has a link to videos (no voice over) of me running each site, maybe that will help?
Thanks, I will have a look at your vid and need to revisit the skills, see what I am missing. |
Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.15 11:34:26 -
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Mad Kosiarz wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:My Overheat skills are al still at 4 atm so it's definitely doable with that. THe succubus is one of the easiest burners. If you;re struggling then it's a general lack of soft and support skills. My guide has a link to videos (no voice over) of me running each site, maybe that will help? Thanks, I will have a look at your vid and need to revisit the skills, see what I am missing.
The Fed Navy webber will have a range of about 14km with typical burner runner's skills - the target tries to stay just over 15km or so. Overheating the webber for just 2 or 3 cycles will give you enough range to catch him with the webber. Once your distance is 12km or less you can stop overheating. Only other thing I OH is guns, but that's not absolutely required.
[Daredevil, DD4Succubus] Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Capacitor Power Relay II
Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Small Cap Battery II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Light Ion Blaster II [Empty High slot] Light Ion Blaster II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Void S x1841
My mission notes on this:
Keep at range 1300M (you may need to vary this between 1000 and 1300 depening on skills) Actvate repper + afterburner Leave afterburner on Lock target & web May have to OH webber 2-3 cycles Brawl it out when <= 3km
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Mad Kosiarz
PCG Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.12.15 13:21:06 -
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Clennel wrote:Mad Kosiarz wrote:Anize Oramara wrote:My Overheat skills are al still at 4 atm so it's definitely doable with that. THe succubus is one of the easiest burners. If you;re struggling then it's a general lack of soft and support skills. My guide has a link to videos (no voice over) of me running each site, maybe that will help? Thanks, I will have a look at your vid and need to revisit the skills, see what I am missing. The Fed Navy webber will have a range of about 14km with typical burner runner's skills - the target tries to stay just over 15km or so. Overheating the webber for just 2 or 3 cycles will give you enough range to catch him with the webber. Once your distance is 12km or less you can stop overheating. Only other thing I OH is guns, but that's not absolutely required. [Daredevil, DD4Succubus] Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Capacitor Power Relay II Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner Small Cap Battery II Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Light Ion Blaster II [Empty High slot] Light Ion Blaster II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I Void S x1841 My mission notes on this: Keep at range 1300M (you may need to vary this between 1000 and 1300 depening on skills) Actvate repper + afterburner Leave afterburner on Lock target & web May have to OH webber 2-3 cycles Brawl it out when <= 3km
I checked my skills - I have thermodynamics at lvl 3, doing the lvl 4 now. The pre-requisite skills are all at V.
I am totally with you, I did try that. Got to about 12km stopped the OH and the b*****d slowly but surely flew away from me. After about a minute he was back at the 13/14km range. All my navigation skills are at level V, cant get my head around why I am failing at this so badly :) Thanks for your reply by the way, help is much appreciated. |
Imalia Bloodlines
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
18
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Posted - 2016.12.15 13:37:39 -
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I came here to see if there is a solution for succubus and you guys are already discussing it xD
I wanted to know if its possible to do it without faction web and something other then daredevil. I am doing it in non faction dd and I die once in 5-6 times, whenever it outruns me and my web to 13+km.
Wonder if I could reduce that without outfitting blinged faction web. ANy ideas? |
Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
74
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Posted - 2016.12.15 14:21:13 -
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Imalia Bloodlines wrote:I came here to see if there is a solution for succubus and you guys are already discussing it xD
I wanted to know if its possible to do it without faction web and something other then daredevil. I am doing it in non faction dd and I die once in 5-6 times, whenever it outruns me and my web to 13+km.
Wonder if I could reduce that without outfitting blinged faction web. ANy ideas?
you can try it with a wolf, but a faction web is a must. but it has more bling too.
@Mad
a zor hyper implant gives you a nice boost. and maybe you can switch the cap power relay for an overdrive.
the garmur is only for teamburners. |
Aghira
Systech Astromantics Shipyard Inc.
49
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Posted - 2016.12.15 14:57:05 -
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Imalia Bloodlines wrote:I came here to see if there is a solution for succubus and you guys are already discussing it xD
I wanted to know if its possible to do it without faction web and something other then daredevil. I am doing it in non faction dd and I die once in 5-6 times, whenever it outruns me and my web to 13+km.
Wonder if I could reduce that without outfitting blinged faction web. ANy ideas?
I'm using a Retribution. It's not a fast fight though...
[Retribution, Sansha Burner (Succubus)] Small Armor Repairer II Small Armor Repairer II Heat Sink II Heat Sink II True Sansha Armor EM Hardener
Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Navy Cap Booster 400 Phased Scoped Target Painter
Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S [empty high slot] Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S Small Focused Pulse Laser II, Scorch S
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Anti-EM Pump II
Scorch S x4 Navy Cap Booster 400 x10
Es wird niemals so viel gelogen wie vor der Wahl, während des Krieges und nach der Jagd. (Otto von Bismarck)
english is not my native language.
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guigui lechat
the no fock given
2
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Posted - 2016.12.15 15:29:13 -
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Imalia Bloodlines wrote:I came here to see if there is a solution for succubus and you guys are already discussing it xD
I wanted to know if its possible to do it without faction web and something other then daredevil. I am doing it in non faction dd and I die once in 5-6 times, whenever it outruns me and my web to 13+km.
Wonder if I could reduce that without outfitting blinged faction web. ANy ideas? I think nothing is as efficient as the daredevil with coreli a-type and fed web. My mission notes for sansha burner are : - OL gun, EM hardener, AB - KaR 1000, activate hardeners and AB. @3000 shoot and un-OH AB. Your hardener needs to be OH or you may not rep through. |
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Mad Kosiarz
PCG Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.12.15 16:26:39 -
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Ploing wrote:Imalia Bloodlines wrote:I came here to see if there is a solution for succubus and you guys are already discussing it xD
I wanted to know if its possible to do it without faction web and something other then daredevil. I am doing it in non faction dd and I die once in 5-6 times, whenever it outruns me and my web to 13+km.
Wonder if I could reduce that without outfitting blinged faction web. ANy ideas? you can try it with a wolf, but a faction web is a must. but it has more bling too. @Mad a zor hyper implant gives you a nice boost. and maybe you can switch the cap power relay for an overdrive. the garmur is only for teamburners.
Ha! Made it with overdrive! I had to use cap booster, but once I got in range he was mine - finally!!! When webbed succubus speed was 704 m/s With overdrive I had 716 m/s :D - I used my other char as bait again so I could catch up quicker :) Thanks for your help guys. I am sure I will be revisiting this thread for other burner missions :D
[Daredevil, Desmond] Domination Overdrive Injector Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer
Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster
Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II
Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I
Void S x3850 Nanite Repair Paste x86 Navy Cap Booster 400 x10 |
Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.15 18:47:47 -
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Mad Kosiarz wrote:Ploing wrote:Imalia Bloodlines wrote:I came here to see if there is a solution for succubus and you guys are already discussing it xD
I wanted to know if its possible to do it without faction web and something other then daredevil. I am doing it in non faction dd and I die once in 5-6 times, whenever it outruns me and my web to 13+km.
Wonder if I could reduce that without outfitting blinged faction web. ANy ideas? you can try it with a wolf, but a faction web is a must. but it has more bling too. @Mad a zor hyper implant gives you a nice boost. and maybe you can switch the cap power relay for an overdrive. the garmur is only for teamburners. Ha! Made it with overdrive! I had to use cap booster, but once I got in range he was mine - finally!!! When webbed succubus speed was 704 m/s With overdrive I had 716 m/s :D - I used my other char as bait again so I could catch up quicker :) Thanks for your help guys. I am sure I will be revisiting this thread for other burner missions :D [Daredevil, Desmond] Domination Overdrive Injector Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Corelum C-Type Energized EM Membrane Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Federation Navy Stasis Webifier Coreli A-Type 1MN Afterburner True Sansha Small Capacitor Booster Light Ion Blaster II Light Ion Blaster II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump I Small Nanobot Accelerator I Void S x3850 Nanite Repair Paste x86 Navy Cap Booster 400 x10
Glad you got it! One other suggestion: make sure you train Minmatar Frig to level 5 to get the maximum bonus to you webbers. In fact, if you're going to be doing the agent and team burners regularly, it's a great idea to plan all the racial frig skills to 5.
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Mad Kosiarz
PCG Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.12.16 11:40:41 -
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There you go, that is where my problem lies then! That is valuable piece of info, thanks mate
My Minmatar Frig skill is at 3 atm |
Imalia Bloodlines
Pandemic Horde Inc. Pandemic Horde
18
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Posted - 2016.12.16 13:43:45 -
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Mad Kosiarz wrote:There you go, that is where my problem lies then! That is valuable piece of info, thanks mate
My Minmatar Frig skill is at 3 atm
Don't bother with burners until you get frig skill to V together with guns and missiles(garmur for teams) |
Mad Kosiarz
PCG Enterprises
0
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Posted - 2016.12.16 13:58:34 -
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Imalia Bloodlines wrote:Mad Kosiarz wrote:There you go, that is where my problem lies then! That is valuable piece of info, thanks mate
My Minmatar Frig skill is at 3 atm Don't bother with burners until you get frig skill to V together with guns and missiles(garmur for teams)
Most of gun and missile skills are already on V, i am missing faction firgs only. Just did the burner Daredevil in my Hawk and it was a breeze.
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Naye Nathaniel
New.Lab.Era
0
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Posted - 2016.12.16 21:43:56 -
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Burner missions are bugged or tweaked again;
I cant break a tank of even a stupid Logi ship doing: Anomic Team (Vengeance + Inquisitor)
Come on im using more above 200 dps with my Garmur, and this is some kind of B$ |
Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
74
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Posted - 2016.12.17 00:37:59 -
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did u use the right ammo ? (nova) |
Chainsaw Plankton
Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State
2340
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Posted - 2016.12.17 01:59:42 -
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also it needs to apply well, the amarr team logi are among the hardest to hit if I remember right. I found that mission annoying in the garmur and always just used the daredevil on that one applies the dps way better.
@ChainsawPlankto
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Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.17 02:02:42 -
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Imalia Bloodlines wrote:
Don't bother with burners until you get frig skill to V together with guns and missiles(garmur for teams)
With all due respect, that might be overstating the matter a little bit. Certainly having all the racial frig skills at 5 is ideal, and less than 4 is probably a handicap in some instances. But having ALL at level certainly isn't a hard and fast requirement. Having said that, I would say the two most important ones are:
Minmatar: A typical burner runner is probably going to use 2 or 3 Daredevil fits. All of those will have at least 1 webber and there is NO OTHER skill that is going to increase the effectiveness of said webber other than Min Frig. In addition, I like to pull missions in a Claw (one of, if not, the fastest interceptors in the game)
Caldari: 5 burner missions (4xteam plus the Daredevil) are going to beneift greatly from the missile/rocket bonuses with the typical Garmur and Hawk fits.
Sure Gallente/Amarr can and should be trained up, but I just see them as a lesser priority compared to Minmatar/Caldari. (Full disclosure: DDs, a Garmur, a Hawk and a Wolf are my current primary(only) agent/team ships) |
Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.17 02:13:10 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Burner missions are bugged or tweaked again;
I cant break a tank of even a stupid Logi ship doing: Anomic Team (Vengeance + Inquisitor)
Come on im using more above 200 dps with my Garmur, and this is some kind of B$
#pindy z ccp
A common mistake I make in the teams is to forget to turn on the Missile Guidance Computers. Leaves me thinking the very same thing until I realize my error Fortunately it never results in anything worse than just some wasted ammo. |
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Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.17 02:28:01 -
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I hate my Wolf for the Blood Raider Cruor mission. The main problem is it usually takes about 6 or 7 booster charges to complete - making the the opex one of the highest of my burners. Has anybody come up with a better fit or strategy to nail this one down quicker/more efficiently? I could add some bling to the gyros but I'm not sure how much that would help.
(that NOS in there was something I had laying around in my hangar and I find it keeps the webber running while the cap booster reloads)
[Wolf, W4CR] Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Gyrostabilizer II Coreli A-Type Small Armor Repairer Coreli A-Type Thermal Plating
Fleeting Compact Stasis Webifier Small Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I
200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II Imperial Navy Small Energy Nosferatu 200mm AutoCannon II 200mm AutoCannon II
Small Anti-Thermal Pump II Small Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Republic Fleet Fusion S x1483 Navy Cap Booster 400 x8
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Rei Y
Minmatar Citizen 90483936 Corporation
15
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Posted - 2016.12.17 09:19:32 -
[1192] - Quote
has anyone noticed any changes in burner defender missiles? as in, do they still have them? |
Naye Nathaniel
New.Lab.Era
0
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Posted - 2016.12.17 10:09:29 -
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Ploing wrote:did u use the right ammo ? (nova) Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) - been hitting the logi pretty fine, with 3 BCU II - the problem is that they orbiting on the oposite site of the Vengeance so its hard to keep good distance to hit it; I wasted like 1000 Caldari Rockets to do it; Even with rockets hitting at 28KM..
Had to fly manualy, but then.. surprise, something went wrong and after 6 tries i get cought in web,scram by vengeance and puff Garmur died.
This missions are really pathetic.
I think im gonna keep drop them, cause im also tired of the ECM worm stuff with drones geting ate all over again :) |
Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.17 12:14:55 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Ploing wrote:did u use the right ammo ? (nova) Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) - been hitting the logi pretty fine, with 3 BCU II - the problem is that they orbiting on the oposite site of the Vengeance so its hard to keep good distance to hit it; I wasted like 1000 Caldari Rockets to do it; Even with rockets hitting at 28KM.. Had to fly manualy, but then.. surprise, something went wrong and after 6 tries i get cought in web,scram by vengeance and puff Garmur died. This missions are really pathetic. I think im gonna keep drop them, cause im also tired of the ECM worm stuff with drones geting ate all over again :)
Something's wrong with either your strategy or fit then. Normally you would just orbit the main target at 20km (25km for Jaguar) and all 3 will fall into a pretty steady distance. It might take a moment for the logi to get into their postions - I usually don't open fire until they do. But once they are in position they rarely deviate more than 1 or 2 km. Maybe if you posted your fit we could take a look and see if there's anything that doesn't look right. (BTW, you'll do best with 2 ammos types for this one: Nova (explosive) for the logi, then reload Inferno (thermal) for the Vengeance) |
Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
74
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Posted - 2016.12.17 14:12:06 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:Ploing wrote:did u use the right ammo ? (nova) Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) -
as Clennel stated you used the wrong ammo for the logis.
Clennel wrote:(BTW, you'll do best with 2 ammos types for this one: Nova (explosive) for the logi, then reload Inferno (thermal) for the Vengeance) |
Naye Nathaniel
New.Lab.Era
0
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Posted - 2016.12.17 16:36:33 -
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Ploing wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:Ploing wrote:did u use the right ammo ? (nova) Yes i did use a proper ammo (thermal one) - as Clennel stated you used the wrong ammo for the logis. Clennel wrote:(BTW, you'll do best with 2 ammos types for this one: Nova (explosive) for the logi, then reload Inferno (thermal) for the Vengeance)
I misstyped; Were using thermal as mentioned here: http://eve-survival.org/wikka.php?wakka=AnomicTeam4am
FIT:
Cheap Alternative [Garmur, Team Burner] Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II Ballistic Control System II
Missile Guidance Computer II Phased Scope Target Painter 5MN Y-T8 Compact Microwarpdrive
Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher Polarized Rocket Launcher
Small Rocket Fuel Cache Partition II Small Hydraulic Bay Thrusters II Small Warhead Flare Catalyst I
Caldari Navy Mjolnir Rocket x3000 Caldari Navy Inferno Rocket x1183 Caldari Navy Nova Rocket x2491 Caldari Navy Scourge Rocket x5632 Mjolnir Javelin Rocket x842 |
Ploing
Blue Republic RvB - BLUE Republic
74
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Posted - 2016.12.17 17:15:13 -
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thermal is the wrong type for the logis. you have to use explosive. |
Naye Nathaniel
New.Lab.Era
0
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Posted - 2016.12.18 12:57:43 -
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That missions are so terrible random when it comes to ECM... its even better to just avoid them than doing when u have to waste around 30 minutes to kill a 1 logi cause the 2nd one is not jammed a 10 times in a raw. |
Clennel
The Scope Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2016.12.18 14:12:06 -
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Naye Nathaniel wrote:That missions are so terrible random when it comes to ECM... its even better to just avoid them than doing when u have to waste around 30 minutes to kill a 1 logi cause the 2nd one is not jammed a 10 times in a raw.
The current best practice seems to be use a rocket-based Garmur and forget the ECM. Then they become the safest and most reliable burner missions of them all (IMHO).
In regards to your previous post, the info in that link is simply incomplete. And on your fit, you may want to replace a BCS with a Co-Processor so you can fit a 2nd MGC in the empty mid slot. (Unless of course you'e depending on the 3rd BCS for DPS) |
Naye Nathaniel
New.Lab.Era
0
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Posted - 2016.12.18 15:09:30 -
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Clennel wrote:Naye Nathaniel wrote:That missions are so terrible random when it comes to ECM... its even better to just avoid them than doing when u have to waste around 30 minutes to kill a 1 logi cause the 2nd one is not jammed a 10 times in a raw. The current best practice seems to be use a rocket-based Garmur and forget the ECM. Then they become the safest and most reliable burner missions of them all (IMHO). In regards to your previous post, the info in that link is simply incomplete. And on your fit, you may want to replace a BCS with a Co-Processor so you can fit a 2nd MGC in the empty mid slot. (Unless of course you'e depending on the 3rd BCS for DPS)
I just finished the 3rd burner team using a 4 mln isk kestrel - ecm
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