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zoturi
Karjala Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:09:00 -
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post which makes all "happy", aint easy to write..
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Wrayeth
PAX Interstellar Services
Veritas Immortalis
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:09:00 -
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 Originally by: Jim McGregor
Tuxford hasnt even posted today... he said he would. He is probably just shaking his head at all this rabble rabble rabble going on.
I wouldnt want his job.
Yeah. I feel for the man; the weight of the nerf bat must really drag him down at times.
-Wrayeth
"Look, pa! I just contributed absolutely nothing to this thread!"
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arbitrary
Bad luck Clover Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:10:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Tuxford hasnt even posted today... he said he would. He is probably just shaking his head at all this rabble rabble rabble going on.
I wouldnt want his job.
Agreed.
I do hope he expected whinage, but all the personal insults and threats some people are throwing around towards him are just too low 
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arbitrary
Bad luck Clover Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:13:00 -
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Originally by: zoturi
post which makes all "happy", aint easy to write..
I do not want to be the man that grows angry from "I love all of you, group hug!"
but yeah I think those are around as well
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SengH
Black Omega Security
E.R.A
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:14:00 -
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Originally by: arbitrary
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Tuxford hasnt even posted today... he said he would. He is probably just shaking his head at all this rabble rabble rabble going on.
I wouldnt want his job.
Agreed.
I do hope he expected whinage, but all the personal insults and threats some people are throwing around towards him are just too low
nah this is nothing compared to what happened when he announced the drone changes.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:20:00 -
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yup i agree
i'm very critical about the mael (and acs :P) and for sure i try to express my criticism bringing my (subjective) reasons
but people that started to insult him and his work are really taking this too much over the good sense, you can't insult a guy because it doesn't do the ship you want and i really hope Tux will consider these guys and their threats as they are...
i said i'm critique but i still appreciate Tux work and, even if i think some things should be a bit different, i have max respect for him... and so i think (and hope) is the same for the big part of guys that try to bring constructive criticism
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Zanarkand
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 17:49:00 -
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Edited by: Zanarkand on 26/07/2006 17:56:28
Raven: 2 t2 invul, shield boost amp, cap booster, xl booster, 20km disruptor
Maelstorm, 2 t2 invul, shield boost amp, cap booster, xl booster, 20km disruptor, built in faction boost amp, mwd, web
MWD and web aren't there only "due to the nature of ACs" They have plenty of other uses such as getting to scramble range/controlling range/keeping the enemy in scramble range/running away etc. For example any close range BS with mwd can just swim out of the scramble range and just warp off from the shieldtanked Ravens.
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gu o
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:16:00 -
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What happened?!?!
This ship is all too neat and orderly for mini..were did my crazy crash-into battle style go?
I meen mini can best be summed up as:
"Minmatar are like going down a flight of stairs on an office chair shooting a uzi"
Big, scary, sharp teeth (insert scary, angry bear here)like that. I must be the scarriest carebear ever... |
JaxxFunk
Soul Collectors
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:19:00 -
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You guys need to get girlfriends. You'd soon realise that this stuff really has no significance in life and there's much more to worry about in life than the fictional performance of spaceships in an online computer game.
Rant over.
That said, I wish the Maelstrom was a fast bs...
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Double TaP
The Establishment
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:22:00 -
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Originally by: JaxxFunk
You guys need to get girlfriends. You'd soon realise that this stuff really has no significance in life and there's much more to worry about in life than the fictional performance of spaceships in an online computer game.
Rant over.
That said, I wish the Maelstrom was a fast bs...
shutup
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:23:00 -
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Originally by: JaxxFunk
You guys need to get girlfriends. You'd soon realise that this stuff really has no significance in life and there's much more to worry about in life than the fictional performance of spaceships in an online computer game.
Rant over.
That said, I wish the Maelstrom was a fast bs...
I have a fiance 
That being said i would marry tux if he gave us a big stabber 
<Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.26 18:24:00 -
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Edited by: Valea Silpha on 26/07/2006 18:24:02
double post
<Hammerhead> TomB is doing the nerfing
<Hammerhead> I just stand behind him, look at his monitor and shake my head |
arbitrary
Bad luck Clover Inc.
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Posted - 2006.07.26 19:15:00 -
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Edited by: arbitrary on 26/07/2006 19:15:32
Originally by: gu o
This ship is all too neat and orderly for mini..were did my crazy crash-into battle style go?
I somewhat miss this as well, and like so many others it seems, hoped for a stabber version 
good desciption on how minmatar should be by the way, I need to keep that one around. 
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Jet Collins
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Posted - 2006.07.26 19:21:00 -
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I also feel that this ship does not flow with the minmatar style not being light/fast. But it will be nice to see what the slot lay out is for the shield tank. and the 8 turrents will be interesting. I always wanted one, just wish it had more alpha stike.
Now this forum has mostly been about the mid and low slot I would like to Add what is it getting for a drone bay. Well since it is big and slow and big drone back hopfully?
IE at least 200m3 so it can fit at least 4 larges to be inline with the cyclones 4 mediums.
anyway thats all Tux has enough to ready
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.07.26 19:41:00 -
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Edited by: Ath Amon on 26/07/2006 19:41:43
i think the drone bay will be the same of the tempest, possibly even smaller.
all these ships seem to have quite a poor drone bay also tux stated that tempest with 6 guns is lower dps while tempest with 6g+missiles will outdps it
it have not mentioned drones (as he have done comparing mega and hype dps) so i assume they are pretty the same
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Raider Zero
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 20:46:00 -
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Ladies and gentlemen, I give you.....the Minmatar PvE boat!
It tanks like crazy, but doesn't do a hell of a lot of damage. Sounds like a great ship for PvE so that people will maybe use something other than a Raven once in a while for missions.
One could also look at it as a Scorp on 'roids. It will make a capable sniper boat too. Also a good miner, but not as good as the new Gallente mining ship-the Hyperion. (lol)
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.26 22:36:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 22:39:05
Originally by: Raider Zero
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you.....the Minmatar PvE boat!
It tanks like crazy, but doesn't do a hell of a lot of damage. Sounds like a great ship for PvE so that people will maybe use something other than a Raven once in a while for missions.
One could also look at it as a Scorp on 'roids. It will make a capable sniper boat too. Also a good miner, but not as good as the new Gallente mining ship-the Hyperion. (lol)
I like to think of it as the Punching Bag. People will punch themself tired on it and hopefully this ship with outlast them. Thats the hope i have for it in pvp. It will be slow, so its probably meant more like a artillery shield tanker. Excellent gate camper probably too.
As for using it in missions instead of a raven.. well, maybe. The 8 turrets can have a combination of short range/long range projectiles and the many medium slots will allow it to tank alot of damage while also having a afterburner. The only concern here is the massive amount of autocannon ammo this ship will use. 
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Isonkon Serikain
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 22:48:00 -
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Real smart of minmatars to shield tank... Works great against lasers... And making a slow close combat ship, wow, the devs, I mean minmatar engineers must have been high when they conceived this one...
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VeNT
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 22:48:00 -
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Originally by: Jim McGregor
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 22:39:05
Originally by: Raider Zero
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you.....the Minmatar PvE boat!
It tanks like crazy, but doesn't do a hell of a lot of damage. Sounds like a great ship for PvE so that people will maybe use something other than a Raven once in a while for missions.
One could also look at it as a Scorp on 'roids. It will make a capable sniper boat too. Also a good miner, but not as good as the new Gallente mining ship-the Hyperion. (lol)
I like to think of it as the Punching Bag. People will punch themself tired on it and hopefully this ship with outlast them. Thats the hope i have for it in pvp. It will be slow, so its probably meant more like a artillery shield tanker. Excellent gate camper probably too.
As for using it in missions instead of a raven.. well, maybe. The 8 turrets can have a combination of short range/long range projectiles and the many medium slots will allow it to tank alot of damage while also having a afterburner. The only concern here is the massive amount of autocannon ammo this ship will use.
nothing wrong with using LOADS of large projectile ammo!
keeps those people who make ammo in the black doesn't it?
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.07.26 22:50:00 -
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Edited by: Pesadel0 on 26/07/2006 22:50:38
Originally by: Isonkon Serikain
Real smart of minmatars to shield tank... Works great against lasers... And making a slow close combat ship, wow, the devs, I mean minmatar engineers must have been high when they conceived this one...
LOL the amar whining about our resistances did have some effect lol.
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ProphetGuru
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.26 23:01:00 -
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As someone who has flown minnie bs since beta, all I can say so far about this ship is meh...
It has definate possibilities, however untill I see the actual numbers on it's;
Slot layout
grid
cpu
mass
speed
targeting range
hp (shield armor hull)
cap amount
cap recharge
cargo hold
I think I'll just have to take a wait and see attitude about it. I am somewhat disappointed that Tux is, after 1 1/2 years of armor tanking focus on min battleships, going in a direction that places a training burden on a racial ship type that already commands a far more intensive skill set then other races. I can accept it if it is worth it, but having a slave set clone for nagalfars and a crystal set clone for a bs makes me frown.
The 8/7/4-5 sounds good, but I have a bad feeling about it actually happening.
If we get 8-6-6 as many are suggesting, I'd like to see them split the tanking bonus to apply to both armor or shield tanking, but I don't see that happening either to be honest.
In closing... meh
Evolution..... Just when you thought you were winning.
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Vera Nosfyu
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.26 23:02:00 -
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I just hope that they get their explosive crystal the same time we get our new BS. That'll learn 'em to whine too much.
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RoMUF
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Posted - 2006.07.26 23:45:00 -
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hmm if it could fit 1200mm's with a bit of a shield tank or ew.. could be a nice fleet ship.
guess it all dpends on the pg/cpu
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Boris2k
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.27 08:17:00 -
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what about these custom "rigs" u will be able to attach.. what effect would that have?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 08:49:00 -
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Originally by: Boris2k
what about these custom "rigs" u will be able to attach.. what effect would that have?
No idea yet. And those are not race specific as far as I know. They can be used on all ships. So doesnt really have anything to do with this ship.
Anyway, I can see some purpose for this ship, but its a damn shame to see gallente get the fast, agile battleship with uber damage. I think something that powerful should be slow.
But I guess people will see on the test server... i cant really fly any battleships good, im going for the Vaga. At least the hyperion wont catch that one.
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Boris2k
Elite United Corp
Antigo Dominion
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Posted - 2006.07.27 09:23:00 -
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i meant could you use them to make this thing something uber?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 09:25:00 -
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Originally by: Boris2k
i meant could you use them to make this thing something uber?
Not really. Even if you equip a rig with 5% extra shield boost, someone else will have a rig with 5% extra damage. I dont expect rigs to give uber advantages. Maybe just a few percent to something.
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Winter Star
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 09:28:00 -
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Have you read the Hyperion thread? Just as many whiners in there as in here.....
it's got bad tracking
the cap bonus is useless
no drones omg!!11
are some of the things falling out of the sky in that thread 
Greener grass......?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.27 09:30:00 -
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Originally by: Winter Star
Have you read the Hyperion thread? Just as many whiners in there as in here.....
it's got bad tracking
the cap bonus is useless
no drones omg!!11
are some of the things falling out of the sky in that thread
Greener grass......?
Tracking doesnt matter when target is webbed. Cap bonus doesnt matter because everyone will use a cap injector anyway. No idea what they are going on about.
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Rafein
Eye of God
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.27 10:14:00 -
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Hmm, I wonder if it is possible to make the ship absorb more damage the the gallente can do?
I mean, 2 Pith Shield BOost Amplifiers and an Crystal Set, with Minnie BS 5, your getting close to what, 125% shield boost? Through in a Pith-X X-large shield boost, it's 840 for 400 cap (360 with compensation), every 4 seconds, so your looking at near 1900 boost every 4 seconds. With only 3 mids used, even 3 invuln fields and a Damage control in a low, should get you close to 60% resists vs. all. Then siple add Power Diags in the lows for cap recharge, and to boost shield and shield recharge at same time, and well, can any non-capital kill this thing without NOS?
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