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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:56:00 -
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... my feelings exactly, unfortunately.
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kessah
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:57:00 -
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Edited by: kessah on 25/07/2006 20:57:33
A shield booster bonus is completly absured for a matari ship, its being limited and that is not cool for matari!
They need and i stress this NEED to be versatile. Its a really bad idea to limit them to shield tanking.
better to have a similar bonus to the Hyperon with the mwd than the tank, seriously not happy with it being forced *and it is really* to shield tank 
Im really hoping the dev's read this
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.25 20:59:00 -
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 Originally by: Valea Silpha
I gotta say it:
The maelstrom lets me down in every way. I wanted a big stabber with a rack of AC's and caution being thrown to the wind.
Shame, I wanted a dedicated missile boat with target painter bonuses.
Originally by: Valea Silpha
We have ended up with the bastard child of the raven and the cyclone.
No, we have ended up with a giant cyclone. Last time I checked, the Raven had either a shield boost bonus not a projectile rof bonus.
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Theres no specific reason to use it with arty over the tempest
Execpt of course, both the alpha strike and DPS will be higher on the Maelstrom.
Originally by: Valea Silpha
and assuming its as slow as it probably will be, its not worth using with AC over the tempest either.
You nearly had a point there. Congrats \o/
Originally by: Valea Silpha
If it has 7 meds it will tank pretty well, but thats never been the minmatar strength.
Please take a look at the Sleipnir and tell me it Minmatar don't tank well. If we're going to do something, we do it properly :).
Originally by: Valea Silpha
If it has 6 meds and 6 lows, then we get an ECM + resonable armor tank boat.
OK I agree with you on that one, which is why I'm trying to get support for 8/7/4-5
Originally by: Valea Silpha
Neither of that are anything like the minmatar i know and love.
Christ knows what Minmatar ships you've been loving then.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:00:00 -
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Edited by: Valea Silpha on 25/07/2006 21:05:46
Man if we were getting the hyperions bonuses it would causes thousands of pairs of minmatar panties to moisten.
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In responce to Sarmael:
Minmatar to me are all about speed and terrible slot layouts. I haven't flown a cyclone in months because although it has a nice big shiled boost bonus its limited meds leave it open to all sorts of problems. Aside from anything else, without cap, you can't use the bonus. Slap on an MWD and you loose a shed load of cap to start with. Then add some hostile NOS on top of that. Thats NOS we can't use back, because loosing a slot to use it detracts from the already middling damage.
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kessah
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:03:00 -
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Totally agree with Valea Silpha on this one!
5% velocity bonus and 5% to Large proj dmg or rof per lvl
Shield bonus on this is totally bogus! all the other races imho are right on the money, why is it matari always gets shafted. Now ive matari spec myself im really starting to feel for all those times i flicked past the matari whines.
PLEASE CCP CHANGE THE SHIELD BOOST BONUS!
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:03:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
I gotta say it:
The maelstrom lets me down in every way. I wanted a big stabber with a rack of AC's and caution being thrown to the wind.
We have ended up with the bastard child of the raven and the cyclone. Theres no specific reason to use it with arty over the tempest, and assuming its as slow as it probably will be, its not worth using with AC over the tempest either.
If it has 7 meds it will tank pretty well, but thats never been the minmatar strength.
If it has 6 meds and 6 lows, then we get an ECM + resonable armor tank boat.
Neither of that are anything like the minmatar i know and love.
Speed on a battleship seems useless to me... if it had been a speed bonus and no shield boosting bonus, it would die horribly to gallente ships up close. A speed bonus with such a slow base speed wont make any difference, its a wasted bonus imo. Try outrunning a megathron/hyperion... you simply wont.
I think the shield bonus is quite useful, even though i admit its very caldari-like.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:05:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
Man if we were getting the hyperions bonuses it would causes thousands of pairs of minmatar panties to moisten.
If it gets 8/7/4-5 we get enough slots to tackle, a 3-4 slot tank (cap booster takes up 1) and the ability to fit crap loads of damage mods. Don't forget about the built-in Dread Guristas Boost Amp/LG Crystal Set.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:09:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Totally agree with Valea Silpha on this one!
5% velocity bonus and 5% to Large proj dmg or rof per lvl
Shield bonus on this is totally bogus! all the other races imho are right on the money, why is it matari always gets shafted. Now ive matari spec myself im really starting to feel for all those times i flicked past the matari whines.
PLEASE CCP CHANGE THE SHIELD BOOST BONUS!
Lol, have you read the other races threads? Every one has a similar amount of whine. Go check it out for yourself. :)
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kessah
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:11:00 -
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Sarmaul seriously how can u welcome a Shield boost bonus, matari are ment to be versatile especially at the Battleship lvl.
Its so contricting, i fly the cyclone and i still armour tank it and i fly the raven and armour tank it, But like the cyclone u might aswell use a ferox imho and with the Maelstrom having a wasted bonus *imho* as if i used it i use it as a cyclone which sucks.
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:12:00 -
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Originally by: kessah
Sarmaul seriously how can u welcome a Shield boost bonus, matari are ment to be versatile especially at the Battleship lvl.
Its so contricting, i fly the cyclone and i still armour tank it and i fly the raven and armour tank it, But like the cyclone u might aswell use a ferox imho and with the Maelstrom having a wasted bonus *imho* as if i used it i use it as a cyclone which sucks.
Nobody is forcing you to shield tank it.
TBH, I am absolutely loving the shield boost bonus but only if it gets 7 mids, otherwise it will end up being fitted like a tempest with another multispec.
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:12:00 -
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If it gets 8/7/4 then thats fine and dandy. But when did we ever get it that easy ?
Plus if its slow, it breaks minni design philosophy. I pride myself on being not just faster than the opposition, but SO SO much faster than the opposition. My stabber is twice as fast on MWD than all those Rax's and mallers who are after my blood, and thats how it should be. Even my ruppie *kicks it* is a good couple hundred m/s faster than them.
To me, the essence of minmatar is not being as tanky, not being as ganky but sure as hell being able to get away if it goes **** up.
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:15:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 21:22:02
Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: kessah
Sarmaul seriously how can u welcome a Shield boost bonus, matari are ment to be versatile especially at the Battleship lvl.
Its so contricting, i fly the cyclone and i still armour tank it and i fly the raven and armour tank it, But like the cyclone u might aswell use a ferox imho and with the Maelstrom having a wasted bonus *imho* as if i used it i use it as a cyclone which sucks.
Nobody is forcing you to shield tank it.
TBH, I am absolutely loving the shield boost bonus but only if it gets 7 mids, otherwise it will end up being fitted like a tempest with another multispec.
Even with 6 meds, it will be like having a built-in shield amp, which is too good to pass up with a gist shield booster. This thing will boost more than 1000 shield per cycle easily using 1 slot for amp. 
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:15:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
Originally by: kessah
Sarmaul seriously how can u welcome a Shield boost bonus, matari are ment to be versatile especially at the Battleship lvl.
Its so contricting, i fly the cyclone and i still armour tank it and i fly the raven and armour tank it, But like the cyclone u might aswell use a ferox imho and with the Maelstrom having a wasted bonus *imho* as if i used it i use it as a cyclone which sucks.
Nobody is forcing you to shield tank it.
TBH, I am absolutely loving the shield boost bonus but only if it gets 7 mids, otherwise it will end up being fitted like a tempest with another multispec.
If it gets 7 meds , 4 lows and a shield boost bonus, what other option are we being left ? Enough meds for a load of structure reps maybe 
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Naughty Boy
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:16:00 -
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Edited by: Naughty Boy on 25/07/2006 21:16:45
Originally by: Sarmaul
TBH, I am absolutely loving the shield boost bonus but only if it gets 7 mids
* Naughty Boy adds a candle. 
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kessah
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:22:00 -
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Bah the only restriction i like to have on matari ships is the weapons it uses.
Tanking, EWAR i like to be creative with them, it just makes them to conformant.
Id just prefer a secondary bonus to its weapon systems or a velocity bonus MWD or like the vaga\stabber makes things alot more fun 
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:25:00 -
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There's always tier 4 ;)
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:28:00 -
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im gonna be honest with you not sure why anyone would fly a Tempest over a Melstrom. Same DPS, better tanking, one more slot :\
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:28:00 -
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im gonna be honest with you not sure why anyone would fly a Tempest over a Melstrom. Same DPS better tanking one more slot :\
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Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:28:00 -
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im gonna be honest with you not sure why anyone would fly a Tempest over a Melstrom. Same DPSm better tanking one more slot :\
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:29:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 21:29:20
Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
im gonna be honest with you not sure why anyone would fly a Tempest over a Melstrom. Same DPS better tanking one more slot :\
Graphs please.
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Locke Ateid
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:44:00 -
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Edited by: Locke Ateid on 25/07/2006 21:52:09
My hate for Tuxford is now complete.
-He destroyed the purpose of the Breacher.
Forgivable do to it's lack of use, but it WAS still better than a Kestrel in many ways IMO.
-He toke away our speed bonus for frigates.
Unexpected and uncalled for, but he made up for it by giving the Rifter a third med slot.
-Gave the Cyclones a shield bonus.
An unspeakable act against Min ships and philosophy, who always been about speed, versatility, and heavy firepower. The first clear sign that he was out to destroy Mins as a whole by gimping both they're firepower and versatility.
-Now by forcing shield bonuses onto all new Min ships.
Words cannot express how I feel about this beyond HATE and SCORN.
I hope the hamsters that power Eve's server get a taste for blood and eat him alive during feeding time.
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Frezik
Celtic Anarchy
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:48:00 -
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Originally by: Valea Silpha
Plus if its slow, it breaks minni design philosophy.
I think departing from traditional designs is exactly where CCP is taking the Minnies. Notice that the Minnie carriers don't have a lot of exposed structure, and the released mockup art for the Maelstrom is similar. Also see the models for the Sabre and Minnie command ships.
All of it points to Minnies who no longer throw some duct tape over some chicken wire and call it a ship.
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Jezala
Mom 'n' Pop Ammo Shoppe
Axiom Empire
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:49:00 -
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Did I read Tux's description of the Maelstorm correctly in that the Maelstorm will have a better alpha-strike but poorer damage-over-time in comparasion to the Tempest?
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Valea Silpha
Cereal Killerz
Chimaera Pact
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:53:00 -
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Originally by: Dr Tetrahydrocannabinol
im gonna be honest with you not sure why anyone would fly a Tempest over a Melstrom. Same DPS, better tanking, one more slot :\
It has marginally more DPS, assmuming you don't fit anything damage dealing in the tempests other highslots, or fit nos in any of the maelstroms. Oh and that they have the same size drone bay.
The reason top of my agenda is 'speed'. Battleships are not noted for being fast. The blog specifically states that this one will be 'slow'. That does pretty much remove the option of AC's. On a practical level, you have to either move the ship into range of the enemy or stay out of the enemies range, depending on what your fighting. Being slow does cause problems with this.
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Lydia Brightlance
Gallente
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Posted - 2006.07.25 21:58:00 -
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It's a lovely ship.....
Except that it stole it's name from my Alliance....
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babylonstew
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:03:00 -
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so all these people whining the raven can tank and gank with 6/5 slots is actually over powered, but a min ship with say 6/5 and a built in shield boost amp, so basically 7/5 for example, isnt up to scratch tanking wise?, what have i missed?
either ravens tank/gank isnt actually over powered at all, or your after a super tank with 8 turrets?
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Jim McGregor
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:07:00 -
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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 25/07/2006 22:08:11
Originally by: babylonstew
so all these people whining the raven can tank and gank with 6/5 slots is actually over powered, but a min ship with say 6/5 and a built in shield boost amp, so basically 7/5 for example, isnt up to scratch tanking wise?, what have i missed?
either ravens tank/gank isnt actually over powered at all, or your after a super tank with 8 turrets?
People seem to think it will be either 8/7/5 or 8/6/6 to make a total of 20 slots. If it gets 7 medium slots, its tanking will be excellent. Personally i like this ship if it gets 7 mediums.
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Sarmaul
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:18:00 -
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The complaint is that it can tank and gank and never miss.
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babylonstew
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:21:00 -
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Originally by: Sarmaul
The complaint is that it can tank and gank and never miss.
ok, thats a fair point, but even with 6 meds, the new min bs will in fact out tank said raven wont it?
so you will in fact have for example, an extra invul field 30% more resists, or an extra boost amp, ungodly boost ammounts, or anything you like really, i just dont see its that bad if it 'only' has 6 meds, i really think 7 would make it slightly over powered in the tanking department.
personal opinion not flame ^^^
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Pesadel0
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Posted - 2006.07.25 22:26:00 -
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The dream has endead ....What a sucky ship
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