Originally by: booh

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Blah. Expected.
Atleast it doesnt't have a smartbomb bonus.

Since it has no gun bonuses, you can fit whatever you want. Nanos on low, big ass tank and MWD on med, 720s on highs... + snake implants... roaming with frigs 4tw


Oh well atleast i hope it will have 7 meds. And the argument with raven having less doesn't cound - minmatar are weird.

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Originally by: Ath Amon

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for close range i fear it will become another sort of nos ship (depends by drone bay) or how about a big tanked tackler?

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Originally by: Ath Amon

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Originally by: Turiel Demon

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I realy don't think the Mael will have the slightest chance as an AC boat. It'll easily fit it gridwise yeah, but tha ammo carrying issue will just be too gimping because of it's need for cap injector.

I don't think we can seriously consider a passive cap recharge option as it will need MWD.


We can already say with certainty that an AC temp will not be able to take on a Hyperion without ECM, which is hopefully going to be utterly destroyed by the upcoming reballancing...

So how is a ship which will be slowER and less maneuverable, have maybe equal damage but effectively 2 less highslots, have the ammo efficiency of a bottomless pit, and be utterly cap reliant for an active tank supposed to hold up?


And that's assuming it has the midslots and CPU for a decent tank, which STILL won't last long as it's going to be relying on charges.

Even then what damage output are we looking at? maybe 700 with hail (meaning you stand still with 8 turrets)? Yeah, looks great

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i mostly agree, this ship seem to be quite vulnerable to nos and dps are not that great... it seem more suited as an arty ship even if in fleet its bonus becomes a bit useless :/

for close range i fear it will become another sort of nos ship (depends by drone bay) or how about a big tanked tackler?

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It's not an Eidolon with 5 Basic Miner's on it, that's for certain.(FF04) ~kieron

Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Okay, so its cool that a DEV popped in the tier 3 Caldari BS discussion and advised "rails". This means that half the game(being that half the game is Caldari by race) know what to train. I wish I had that Luxurie. Can we get an idea on the Minnie one DEVS???

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It will have 8 turrets. Of course its going to be projectiles. Did you read the blog in General Discussions?

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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Okay, so its cool that a DEV popped in the tier 3 Caldari BS discussion and advised "rails". This means that half the game(being that half the game is Caldari by race) know what to train. I wish I had that Luxurie. Can we get an idea on the Minnie one DEVS???

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It will have 8 turrets. Of course its going to be projectiles. Did you read the blog in General Discussions?

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I looked all over the forums and could not find any true statistics. I looked under general discussion and was unable to locate it as well. Might be that its early as hell and my mind has not finished the morning boot-up. If you'll drop a link to it I would be very appriciative. Thanks Jim!

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Originally by: Turiel Demon

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If it doesn't even have 8 turrets and only a RoF bonus then that will mitagate the crappyness of RoF on AC's, but it will reduce the DPS of it's prime weapon system to 625max with daft ammo (hail)... which is just silly.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 13:56:10
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 13:55:17

Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Okay, so its cool that a DEV popped in the tier 3 Caldari BS discussion and advised "rails". This means that half the game(being that half the game is Caldari by race) know what to train. I wish I had that Luxurie. Can we get an idea on the Minnie one DEVS???

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It will have 8 turrets. Of course its going to be projectiles. Did you read the blog in General Discussions?

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I looked all over the forums and could not find any true statistics. I looked under general discussion and was unable to locate it as well. Might be that its early as hell and my mind has not finished the morning boot-up. If you'll drop a link to it I would be very appriciative. Thanks Jim!

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Blog about new battleships

Im not sure what you are after though. Hopefully the dev blog has it.. thats all the info we have at the moment. Waiting for some cool screenshots by Tuxford when he gets around to it.

Edit: Now that I read it again, i didnt see Tux mention anything about 8 turrets on the hyperion. He mentions it for the other ships though, so i just assume hyperion will also have it.

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Originally by: Wrayeth

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I fear that the AC tempest will be completely outmoded once the hyperion enters the game. That being the case, my only hope for my beloved autocannons will devolve to the maelstrom, as the typhoon can't fill the role properly due to lack of grid and CPU.

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Originally by: Valea Silpha

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I dunno why people are worshipping this ship as a BS sized Sleipnir. The sleipnir starts with some awesome resists, is faster than the astarte and weighs less. The maelstrom will be very slow, have base resists and no room for nos. It will only be able to boost as long as its cap charges hold out, and that to me is a significant problem.

Everything that needs to be said has been to be honest. We are supremely unlikely to get seven meds. Nothing personal against the devs, but they do have a habbit of giving the minnies a kick when they are down, and i think seven meds is a lil on the too good side. Its not significantly better than a tempest for fleet work, with the added bonus of wasting half its bonus as lag will pwn your tank for you.

The only reason the cyclone (or at least my cyclone) works is because i have 3 med nos on it to run the bloody shield booster anyway. The new thing does not get that luxury.

As you can't successfully strap autocannons to it, i submit to all and sundry its not a minmatar ship.

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Wrayeth

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I fear that the AC tempest will be completely outmoded once the hyperion enters the game. That being the case, my only hope for my beloved autocannons will devolve to the maelstrom, as the typhoon can't fill the role properly due to lack of grid and CPU.

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Do you even fly Minmatar? Because the Typhoon certainly does have the power and cpu to field ACs and torps with a good tank AND tons of damage. Train get a clue to lvl 5 plz.

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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Wrayeth

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I fear that the AC tempest will be completely outmoded once the hyperion enters the game. That being the case, my only hope for my beloved autocannons will devolve to the maelstrom, as the typhoon can't fill the role properly due to lack of grid and CPU.

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Do you even fly Minmatar? Because the Typhoon certainly does have the power and cpu to field ACs and torps with a good tank AND tons of damage. Train get a clue to lvl 5 plz.

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Very true...you can have 4 arbalist siege launchers and 4 650 II's and in the low still do a decent dual repair tank with hardeners and a plate.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Valea Silpha

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I dunno why people are worshipping this ship as a BS sized Sleipnir. The sleipnir starts with some awesome resists, is faster than the astarte and weighs less. The maelstrom will be very slow, have base resists and no room for nos. It will only be able to boost as long as its cap charges hold out, and that to me is a significant problem.

Everything that needs to be said has been to be honest. We are supremely unlikely to get seven meds. Nothing personal against the devs, but they do have a habbit of giving the minnies a kick when they are down, and i think seven meds is a lil on the too good side. Its not significantly better than a tempest for fleet work, with the added bonus of wasting half its bonus as lag will pwn your tank for you.

The only reason the cyclone (or at least my cyclone) works is because i have 3 med nos on it to run the bloody shield booster anyway. The new thing does not get that luxury.

As you can't successfully strap autocannons to it, i submit to all and sundry its not a minmatar ship.

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Even with 8/6/6 it will pwn. I personally wont shield tank it though, but instead use ecm/eccm and fit a good armor tank on top of that. Possibly with a few nos... I dont see why its such a bad idea. Heavy nos are quite powerful, and the decrease in damage isnt so bad when you consider the enemy will have to use cap boosters to survive.

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Originally by: Valea Silpha

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And therein lies another problem. A minmatar nos/ecm/tank platform. Well whoop de doo. I thought CCP was trying to move away from them tbh...

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Omega Bloodstone

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Wrayeth

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I fear that the AC tempest will be completely outmoded once the hyperion enters the game. That being the case, my only hope for my beloved autocannons will devolve to the maelstrom, as the typhoon can't fill the role properly due to lack of grid and CPU.

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Do you even fly Minmatar? Because the Typhoon certainly does have the power and cpu to field ACs and torps with a good tank AND tons of damage. Train get a clue to lvl 5 plz.

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Very true...you can have 4 arbalist siege launchers and 4 650 II's and in the low still do a decent dual repair tank with hardeners and a plate.

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Now if only they would remove the speed penalty on hail, it would have a good chance to stand up to the blasterthron. Keeping out of range with that ammo is just out of the question (when its loaded) right now, but the mega can blast away...

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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It already has a good chance to stand up to the blasterthron... and it uses barrage, torps and drones to do it on just 1 armor repair II.

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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It already has a good chance to stand up to the blasterthron... and it uses barrage, torps and drones to do it on just 1 armor repair II.

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I remember a setup you shown me before.. maybe you are talking about that one. But yeah, using barrage is basicly a must. So when is a good idea to use Hail?

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: Kaylana Syi

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It already has a good chance to stand up to the blasterthron... and it uses barrage, torps and drones to do it on just 1 armor repair II.

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I remember a setup you shown me before.. maybe you are talking about that one. But yeah, using barrage is basicly a must. So when is a good idea to use Hail?

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On tempests.

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Originally by: Valea Silpha

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The only reason the cyclone (or at least my cyclone) works is because i have 3 med nos on it to run the bloody shield booster anyway. The new thing does not get that luxury.

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Originally by: xeom

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Edited by: xeom on 26/07/2006 15:49:07
Errm,really 7 mid slots is overpowered guys.

3xInvifield
1x-XLbooster
1xCap booster

That already beats any raven's tank.Hell it is the best shield tank ingame(non-cap).
Now the next slot could simply have a MWD to get into AC range.

Disrupter and web you say?

Welcome to the world of shield tanking guys.From the few times ive flown the tempest ive never had any trouble hitting anything battleship size.Anything smaller then that yea you are going to need a web yea.So you should have to sacrifice a mid slot,a battleship is not a solo pwn mobile.And should have some support flying around with it,even more so when its a shield tank.

8/6/6 or 5 is the only real option.You should get 7 mid slots just so you don't have to deal with the problems every other shield tanker has to deal with.Yes the raven can hit any target and never miss at great ranges but so what?

Its so stupidly slow who wants to take one on a OP.And if they remove instas it should be even worse.I personaly am not gana wait for a ship that goes 140 m/s as we are trying to hunt.And fitting a MWD and tank on it really is not possible.

But even with 6 slots the Maelstrom will be able to do that.

BTW i fly pure minmatar.And am training up for the sliepnir,but even i know this thing is overpowered with 7 slots.

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Originally by: xeom

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i think maelstrom should not have 7 meds

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Originally by: xeom

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i think maelstrom should not have 7 meds

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Read this thread for the reasons. Its not overpowered. Personally i would like 8/6/6 with a armor tanking bonus, but 8/7/5 is just fine too.

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Originally by: xeom

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Jim if you can shield tank(the best) and still have room for a MWD and scrabler or web its overpowered.Its something every shield tanker suffers from,just becuase you got it doesnt not exempt you from it.

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Originally by: Apertotes

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so, what's stopping you from fitting 1, 2 or even 3 heavy nos on the new BS? oh yes, that you have 8 turret hard points... so the cyclone is better cause it only has 5 and lets you room to fit nos? so if, for example, tux went nuts and gave the cyclone 8 turret hardpoints, it would be a worse ship than it is now?

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Originally by: Jim McGregor

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Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/07/2006 16:09:32

Originally by: xeom

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Jim if you can shield tank(the best) and still have room for a MWD and scrabler or web its overpowered.Its something every shield tanker suffers from,just becuase you got it doesnt not exempt you from it.

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I think you are comparing the maelstrom to tier 1/2 ships. If you compare it to the tier 3 ships, you will see my reasoning i think.

Edit: By the way, just read this as well. I think we need MORE med slots...

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Originally by: xeom

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