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James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11455	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:02:00 - [811] - Quote At least this isn't a game where GMs decide that their employer's previous public statement about an exploit is invalid because of personal and flawed opinions on risk and game mechanics, or a game where GMs spontaneously decide that it's against the EULA to claim your character as the alt of another even when it happens to be true. No, this is a game where I trust GMs to be consistent, dispassionate, and informed. I'm sure every ban is deserved and the sentences proportionate to the crime. Nothing to worry about. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Gregor Parud 632	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:20:00 - [812] - Quote James Amril-Kesh wrote: At least this isn't a game where GMs decide that their employer's previous public statement about an exploit is invalid because of personal and flawed opinions on risk and game mechanics, or a game where GMs spontaneously decide that it's against the EULA to claim your character as the alt of another even when it happens to be true. No, this is a game where I trust GMs to be consistent, dispassionate, and informed. I'm sure every ban is deserved and the sentences proportionate to the crime. Nothing to worry about. I'll trust the word of a GM more than someone who got banned and goes "nono, i did nothing at all, I wasn't even there".
Andski GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 11224	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:23:00 - [813] - Quote says everyone who has never actually had to deal with GMs Twitter: @EVEAndski "It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -á-á - Abrazzar
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6029	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:24:00 - [814] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: At least this isn't a game where GMs decide that their employer's previous public statement about an exploit is invalid because of personal and flawed opinions on risk and game mechanics, or a game where GMs spontaneously decide that it's against the EULA to claim your character as the alt of another even when it happens to be true. No, this is a game where I trust GMs to be consistent, dispassionate, and informed. I'm sure every ban is deserved and the sentences proportionate to the crime. Nothing to worry about. I'll trust the word of a GM more than someone who got banned and goes "nono, i did nothing at all, I wasn't even there". I only trust the word of Mr Epeen. And to be honest, I don't really trust even that most of the time. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Absolutely Not Analt Caldari Provisions Caldari State 104	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:24:00 - [815] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Titus Tallang wrote: can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. ... Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter. No, it kind of is your job to do this. No, it kind of isn't. Because as Falcon said, the second they start giving concrete examples, the real douch bags of the game community will start seeing just how close to that line they can get. It's in the nature of a douche bag to push and test limits, even ones as simply ridiculous as these. It's better that CCP leave themselves the flexibility in their position they have now so they can escort the undesireables to the door with alacrity. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6154	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:25:00 - [816] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: At least this isn't a game where GMs decide that their employer's previous public statement about an exploit is invalid because of personal and flawed opinions on risk and game mechanics, or a game where GMs spontaneously decide that it's against the EULA to claim your character as the alt of another even when it happens to be true. No, this is a game where I trust GMs to be consistent, dispassionate, and informed. I'm sure every ban is deserved and the sentences proportionate to the crime. Nothing to worry about. I'll trust the word of a GM more than someone who got banned and goes "nono, i did nothing at all, I wasn't even there". When a Senior GM comes out & says that you will be banned for telling people that your alt is you, trust flies straight out the window. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Absolutely Not Analt Caldari Provisions Caldari State 104	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:27:00 - [817] - Quote Kristalll wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Amyclas Amatin wrote: So is the line for real-life harassment going to remain vague? Some of us enjoy harming other players with a passion, and the boundaries between character and person are bound to be crossed without clear guidelines on what isn't allowed. If you think you might have crossed a line, you probably did. Clear lines would only be abused and make a mess for the GMs. With a grey area, they can better decide on a case by case basis without internet lawyers going "technically" on them. What if I don't even have any reason to think it crossed the line? Maybe I'm just bumping some miners and suddenly one of them thinks I'm harassing them in particular? CCP apparently gets to decide what harassment is, with no clear precedence of what harassment is within EVEs context. Funny how that works, it being their game and all. Eve is a multi player game.-áAnd you are the content. - Ralph King-Griffin Being meh at two things is not better than being great at one. - Lugh Crow-Slave
Mallak Azaria GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 6157	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:28:00 - [818] - Quote Absolutely Not Analt wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Titus Tallang wrote: can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. ... Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter. No, it kind of is your job to do this. No, it kind of isn't. Because as Falcon said, the second they start giving concrete examples, the real douch bags of the game community will start seeing just how close to that line they can get. It's in the nature of a douche bag to push and test limits, even ones as simply ridiculous as these. It's better that CCP leave themselves the flexibility in their position they have now so they can escort the undesireables to the door with alacrity. It kind of is because if you don't give a solid baseline of what is acceptable & what isn't then you will always have cases where one guy was permenantly banned for scamming & another guy was left alone for calling someones house & threatening to kill them because they ganked his pixel ship. Especially more so when you market your game as 'Play the villain'. This post was lovingly crafted by a member of the Goonwaffe Posting Cabal, proud member of the popular gay hookup site somethingawful.com, Spelling Bee, Grammar Gestapo & #1 Official Gevlon Goblin Fanclub member.
Cismet Tellcomtec Gold 29	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:29:00 - [819] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: James Amril-Kesh wrote: At least this isn't a game where GMs decide that their employer's previous public statement about an exploit is invalid because of personal and flawed opinions on risk and game mechanics, or a game where GMs spontaneously decide that it's against the EULA to claim your character as the alt of another even when it happens to be true. No, this is a game where I trust GMs to be consistent, dispassionate, and informed. I'm sure every ban is deserved and the sentences proportionate to the crime. Nothing to worry about. I'll trust the word of a GM more than someone who got banned and goes "nono, i did nothing at all, I wasn't even there". That's the whole problem. You can't trust any system of punishment where the punishment is applied inconsistently and where the rules are not clearly defined. Whether the latter person in your example was right or not, you're left with questions and CCP can no longer afford questions. This issue is now all over the Eve sections of the internet, this is doing more harm to CCP's reputation than most of the speculative reasons as to the bans (which we still don't know were the reason).
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project 475	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:35:00 - [820] - Quote Myles Wong wrote: Why do so many people insist that CCP explain themselves? There seems to be some broad assumption that it's all bonus room related. There is the possibility this is the result of a long time investigation. Perhaps CCP has been observing these players behaviours and actions of a period of time and made a decision based on evidence they gathered. At any rate if the community insists on evidence/explanations/clarifications then CCP would have to jeapordize any active investigations by giving specific details. Some of the same people making real life comparisons have repeatedly in the past stated real life comparisons are irrelevant. Why the change of heart? It truly is none of our business why certain individuals got banned. It's almost as if common sense suddenly became a commodity and some people are trying to trade in counterfeit stock. When paying for a product or service, it's nice to know what to expect out of it? Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.

Miles Parabellum Fusion Enterprises Ltd Brothers of Tangra 49	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:42:00 - [821] - Quote Cismet wrote: ... and CCP can no longer afford questions... Because Eve is dying?
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 4955	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:47:00 - [822] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: Cismet wrote: Well, not that I expect anyone to care, but it's important that CCP understand. I just cancelled my subscription. CCP's attitude in this matter is utterly unconscionable and Falcon's passive aggressive and borderline insulting posts are unacceptable. I can only hope that CCP learn the hard way when subscriber numbers drop. Congratulations Falcon, hope you're proud. You know it's bad when he gets moderated by ISD's for personal attacks. You noticed that too did you? I wasn't gonna say anything... GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project 477	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:48:00 - [823] - Quote Myles Wong wrote: Would love to stay and continue beating this horse. Unfortunately I have a job. Have fun losing the argument. Why, yes! I think I will indeed have an apple pie with that! Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11459	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:48:00 - [824] - Quote Absolutely Not Analt wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: CCP Falcon wrote: Titus Tallang wrote: can we expect some clear-cut rules on what you would classify as 'real life harassment'? It isn't our job to dictate to people how to maintain a base standard of human decency toward one another, and we're not going to do so. ... Cut and dried, that's all we have to say on the matter. No, it kind of is your job to do this. No, it kind of isn't. Because as Falcon said, the second they start giving concrete examples, the real douch bags of the game community will start seeing just how close to that line they can get. And they'll be banned, except this time we can say "yeah they were cunts, just goes to show you shouldn't try to skirt CCP's rules." Adding specificity does not remove flexibility. Enjoying the rain today? ;)
James Amril-Kesh 4S Corporation Goonswarm Federation 11459	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:49:00 - [825] - Quote Is that word seriously not censored? lol Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6030	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:49:00 - [826] - Quote Ssabat Thraxx wrote: When paying for a product or service, it's nice to know what to expect out of it? I guess it depends on your expectations. For instance, I expect to log in daily to find entertaining threadnoughts. I'm rarely disappointed. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
Dave Stark 6938	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:52:00 - [827] - Quote Absolutely Not Analt wrote: Kristalll wrote: Abrazzar wrote: Amyclas Amatin wrote: So is the line for real-life harassment going to remain vague? Some of us enjoy harming other players with a passion, and the boundaries between character and person are bound to be crossed without clear guidelines on what isn't allowed. If you think you might have crossed a line, you probably did. Clear lines would only be abused and make a mess for the GMs. With a grey area, they can better decide on a case by case basis without internet lawyers going "technically" on them. What if I don't even have any reason to think it crossed the line? Maybe I'm just bumping some miners and suddenly one of them thinks I'm harassing them in particular? CCP apparently gets to decide what harassment is, with no clear precedence of what harassment is within EVEs context. Funny how that works, it being their game and all. yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are?
FleetWarp Ichoriya 5	Posted - 2014.09.12 12:58:00 - [828] - Quote Quote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? I dont get that you don't it, get it? Simply stay in the game and scam all day long. Dont invite your victim to ts and mock him for hours but take the scammed isk and assets -> GG,no ban. easy peasy! Nothing sweeter than tears of tearcollectors. mhh yummy!
Dave stark 6939	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:03:00 - [829] - Quote FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote: Quote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? I dont get that you don't it, get it? Simply stay in the game and scam all day long. Dont invite your victim to ts and mock him for hours but take the scammed isk and assets -> GG,no ban. easy peasy! easy, you're clearly talking about one specific incident. i am not, i'm not talking about one specific thing. emergent content is contantly changing and evolving as people get "wise" to various scams etc. without a set of guidelines there's no way to know what is or isn't going to get you banhammered for finding new ways to make isk without subjecting yourself to eve's tedious and hideous pve.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6030	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:03:00 - [830] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!

LUMINOUS SPIRIT The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People 532	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:09:00 - [831] - Quote Mallak Azaria wrote: What concerns me (and frankly should concern everyone) is people are being banned because of who their friends are. Show me your friends and I will tell you who you are - unknown No tears shed for anyone who got banned.
Dave Stark 6939	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:12:00 - [832] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Dave Stark wrote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player?
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 241	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:13:00 - [833] - Quote Something I was going to post however I figured that it would result in some fancy slanty text and an ISD tag. (And no this was not a personal attack, it's just you know vague to know, you know?) So I just figured I'd write this. Keep your hands up, don't put them down. DJ Turn up that song! We'll dance until sun comes up! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 243	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:13:00 - [834] - Quote Something I was going to post however I figured that it would result in some fancy slanty text and an ISD tag. (And no this was not a personal attack, it's just you know vague to know, you know?) So I just figured I'd write this. Keep your hands up, don't put them down. DJ Turn up that song! We'll dance until sun comes up! The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 4956	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:14:00 - [835] - Quote FleetWarp Ichoriya wrote: Quote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? I dont get that you don't it, get it? Simply stay in the game and scam all day long. Dont invite your victim to ts and mock him for hours but take the scammed isk and assets -> GG,no ban. easy peasy! This isn't even about that anymore. Anyone that kept doing the bonus room after the E1 debacle brought it on themselves, no matter how careful they were, they should have just steered clear of that hornet's nest if they didn't want a ban. The problem is, as it has been SINCE the E1 thing, the inconsistency. The right hand not even being attached to the same body as the left. There's a HUGE disconnect in policy communication to the player base that's been filled with Falcon deciding that insulting a good portion of it is a healthy way for the company to handle it. I can imagine Falcon is pretty annoyed with it himself, so I'm entirely prepared to let that one slide to be honest, everyone is a bit heated. But there is a reasonable middle ground that we can ALL come to, devs and players alike, no matter what you do in the game, or out of it - and that is our love of the game itself. Save for those that are only subbed for the sake of forum shitposting, of course, and you know exactly who you are. Those who do play the game though should not be shitposting, and should NOT be flippantly trivialising the concerns of other players no matter how trivial you have decided they are. Your subjective input is entirely invalid. For credibility, you must not exude morality, but common sense, rational discourse, and a good dose of humble ******* pie. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
CALDARI CITIZEN 14330909 The Conference Elite CODE. 241	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:15:00 - [836] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Dave Stark wrote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player? From my understanding you can be racist as long as you are in faction warfare. (Clearly restrictions apply regarding this due to EVE lore.) The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Anal Canal The Conference Elite CODE. 243	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:15:00 - [837] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Dave Stark wrote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player? From my understanding you can be racist as long as you are in faction warfare. (Clearly restrictions apply regarding this due to EVE lore.) The Artist Formerly Known As AC.-á The-áterminal end of the digestive system.-á
Kaarous Aldurald ROC Deep Space The ROC 9707	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:24:00 - [838] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Dave Stark wrote: yeah, it's fine that they get to decide it because it's their game. except how can we follow their rules, because it's their game, if they don't tell us what they are? There are only two rules of any importance and they are not hard to understand. 1) Don't **** with newbs. 2) Keep it in the game. Like I said before. If you don't know when you are breaking one of these rules, you are too stupid to be a part of the community. Mr Epeen so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player? Not just that. Racism, real life threats, and doxxing. [edit: Oh, and sexually explicit insults "Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws." One of ours, ten of theirs.
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum Reverberation Project 479	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:24:00 - [839] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Ssabat Thraxx wrote: When paying for a product or service, it's nice to know what to expect out of it? I guess it depends on your expectations. For instance, I expect to log in daily to find entertaining threadnoughts. I'm rarely disappointed. Mr Epeen Me too I actually did nothing but sit with the game minimized while I practiced my Forum-Fu yesterday. Aint lookin so good for today, too Either the rules apply to everyone, or they don't justly apply to anyone.
Mr Epeen It's All About Me 6031	Posted - 2014.09.12 13:25:00 - [840] - Quote Dave Stark wrote: so racism and real life threats are fine as long as i keep it in the game, and it's not a new player? You're either trolling or have never been out of high sec. Local chat is 24/7 racism and death threats. It's not right, but it's near impossible to keep a lid on. If you see something, petition it. That's the only way to get a handle on it. But no one ever does. So here we are, not using the tools that CCP give us and whining that they're not doing anything about the problem. Mr Epeen There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!



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