One argument that comes often from "their" side is, thats just "a game" and "pixels shooting pixels", it is that hypocrisy that really angers me, an elaborate lie just to get more emotional responses.

And often when the **** hits the fan, it its the innocent and the noninvolved. Its realy bad that those guys mother cried, i really really hate something like that.

But playing with emotional resonses is playing with old duds. Some might blow right into your face.

i also find it hilarious that he believes he's important enough to be shown evidence

Now where have i heard that before?

Could it have been you and the other line deniers demanding evidence from CCP. Evidence that would inevitably reveal some of how they go after you lug nuts that are dying to have a rule to skirt? Evidence that would reveal some of how their security works so you could script around it?

Remiel was playing EVE in a perfectly acceptable and legitimate way.

This does not ******* excuse doxing and real life threats to person and family. If you think so you are blaming the victim.

Nobody was asking for that.
They were asking for reasons why these people were banned. That doesn't reveal anything about CCP's security.

No.

Remiel was playing EVE in a perfectly acceptable and legitimate way.
This does not ******* excuse doxing and real life threats to person and family. If you think so you are blaming the victim.

He did a lot of things. I dont know the details, but no wonder he is a posts a lot here.
His way of playing and his account maybe in danger of a future ban.

Thinking is not blaming. I explanned more than enough that in this case his mother was the victim of a criminal act.

But *what* i say is, that his style of playing is in constant "danger" of those reactions.

Driving a car puts you in constant danger of a sudden and early death. Does that mean I deserve it if I get into an accident?

Don't ever apply to detective school. You'd be wasting your money.

Mr Epeen

And by no means am I suggesting "they deserve to be doxxed" or threatened in real life. No one does. But how much empathy could you have for someone like this? They enjoy making others angry, upset, and miserable for cheap laughs and giggles.

I'm pretty sure that every step between "CCP says x person was banned because he specifically did this thing" and "we've cracked CCP's security scheme" is something along the lines of "Mr Epeen talks out of his ass and suggests some causal link between completely unrelated things for the sole purpose of being a contrarian."

There's a 3 hour recording on sound-cloud of a man and his wife taken past breaking point, when they already had possession of all his assets. Not only did they not stop when it when it was clear that the man was agitated well beyond necessary, but they further increased their efforts to humiliate him. To top this off, they then uploaded the audio of this as a trophy for what great job they had done to these individuals, and shared them publicly.

Now, I absolutely love scamming and making people sing for their pod (even if they still blow it up anyway). I however, do not appreciate when people find it necessary to break an individual down to point of physical distress for the sake of self enjoyment alone...

I see why you are asking for exact rules, you have some problems with your cognition.

Lets say you drive your car drunk and angry and drive full speed into a kindergarden group.
What do you say?

And there you are blaming them for being such.

I'm pretty sure that every step between "CCP says x person was banned because he specifically did this thing" and "we've cracked CCP's security scheme" is something along the lines of "Mr Epeen talks out of his ass and suggests some causal link between completely unrelated things for the sole purpose of being a contrarian."

I like your tears.
But your arguments lack qualitiy and reasons.

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And all the whining and demanding of specific directives is just players trying to gain an edge in the game they choose to play in the real world by exploiting CCP assets, tarring CCP's name by association.

Anyone demanding detailed, specific instructions on how not to get banned for harrassment, pony up! You go first. Post links to your audio captures. You want specifics? Provide your own, because that's how you find out what's behind the curtain. TOS and EULA make that much perfectly clear.

No? Worried that that audio might get you banned? Then reevaluate your behavior. What you are afraid to post is exactly what CCP wants you afraid to do.

There's your line. You draw it. Wherever you feel comfortable.

As a victim of harassment, do you believe CCP should ban players who harass others?

You said nothing of legal...
Ganking in highsec and lowsec is a crime, in highsec CONCORDE will get you.
As i said, bad example.

I explained my thoughts about this, i am not blaming someone.

Nothing more than tears and anger from the people in danger of losing their accounts.

I think CCP should ban actual out of game harassment of a real person.

Not for hurt feelings.

[quote=Snupe Doggur][quote=evepal]
This is what you and CCP think we want, and have been using as a strawman

So how do you define the difference between harassment of a real person and hurt feelings?

Can you provide an example to back up this claim where this line has moved?

But this is all wildly off topic, and I would have thought that the ISDs wouldn't dive into a discussion solely to engage in an off-topic tangent.

Even worse, deleting posts to make it seem as if they never happened. If you delete posts, you should certainly post that you are doing so and why to at least maintain some semblance of transparency. You know, just like every ISD does always (or at least, I hope).

Real life harassment is involved when you are making an attack on the person behind the keyboard. This explicitly requires knowledge of who that person actually is. Doxxing someone is real life harassment. Sending them a picture of their own house with "See Ya Soon" scrawled in red through the in game mail client is real life harassment. Calling their family and/or real life employer is real life harassment.

Laughing at someone who got ganked is not. Laughing at someone who got scammed is not. Blowing up someone's ship repeatedly is not. Those are all directed at and revolve around an exclusively in game action.

This thread.