That's because you think CCP is done with you...they aren't. They are just getting started. Your world is ******...you just don't realize it yet. Read between the line of Greyscales comments. He will make it so that if you don't live in the space it is vulnerable.

The implications of this change are not stagnation. They are something very different. You are so desperate to preserve your reality that you cling to a falsehood.

Unfortunately even the JF hit makes sense, CCP from past experience knows that if they left one ship capable of breaking the 5 ly limit then the big alliances would invest in them hugely to get pilots and stuff around some what mitigating the intention of the change. We are just too good at finding and pushing the limits of everything they do.

OK, I've read every post up to page 200, and we're getting to a point in this thread where there's not a lot of new concerns or suggestions being brought up. There will be future threads (and future blogs) as we tune details, but for now I want to thank you for all of your constructive input, and wish you a good weekend :)

It seems like this could be fixed up if some kind of a penalty is applied when you leave the JF ship and switch to a different capital ship.

Speaking of "exploits", there's already a potential "exploit" with JFs getting used to get around to capitals with 90% reduction of fatigue.

That wouldnt be an exploit, i think CCP wants people to do something like that, because what happens when the cyno dies and they get scattered in 6b combat incapable coffins or they arrive to destination, burn some of their fuel doing so, and still took longer getting there than they would have before. Ontop of still having cooldowns for their jump drives and having to purchase a massive fleet of ships that are 6b a pop and can literally do nothing but store things and jump, cant rep the cyno with them, cant fight if you get caught, its a bad situation if you get caught because of that, and either way its content

And I'm going to go there, Greyscale is a freaking moron.

If I had 1 wish, it would be that he would be summarily fired from CCP. If I had 2, he'd be fired and then neutered so his stupidity would be prevented from continuing on.

Give me 3 wishes, and his entire genetic history would be removed from all of history.

Oh, I see where this is coming from. Can't do a damn thing about us yourself so you put your hope in CCP to save you? Son, my world is untouched by this change. I won't lose sleep over it or stress myself out about it. If it brings back players and the game gets a boost, all the better. If we get good fights and get our butts kicked because of it, great, bring it on. I am, as I believe many of us in null are, always welcoming and open to CONTENT. Come attack our space, come try to take our moons and systems. Come kill ratters and miners. Camp our gates and routes. Do your worst!

Somehow I doubt you will have the guts to do any of those things even after they implement their entire plan for null. You see, nothing and nobody is preventing you from rocking our world and smashing our toys today. It's not as if we're swinging capitals and supers all day every day. You make it seem like by some flaw in the game design alliances of null were able to conquer and hold their space. No. It was through countless hours of sov structure grinding and countless fights. It was through team work and collaboration with our allies. Luck or design flaws had NOTHING to do with it.

Instead of doing what needs to be done now to hinder us in null, you're here putting trust in CCP and hoping they have your pubbie interests in mind above all else. I'd be very careful who I put my trust in. At the end of the day, null alliances will still be in null and you will still get bloody nose from poking a gorilla with a stick, so keep hoping and dreaming that CCP Greyscale is here to hand you portions of null on a silver platter.

I am the one clinging on falsehood? I guess we'll wait and see if that trust of yours was misplaced, but don't go whining how change made things worse, because, for the reasons you don't seem to comprehend yet, it will.

Nicer tuning options, yes, but we want to keep the math as simple as possible, so people can more easily wrap their heads around it.

No, because complicated math is already too common in EVE. Sometimes it's necessary. Here, it's not.

Hmm, CCP will probably be pleased if you rage quit.

To strongly disagree with the current proposals is one thing, to simply insult the staff is just foolish.

Err guys, guys....he's stopped listening. If you are still unhappy about these changes (which are frickin' awesome by the way) please contract your stuff to me. If you are red to me I'd appreciate it if you could move it to a convenient high-sec location before the patch hits. Remember, before the patch hits.

Hmmm, the thread slowed down. Seems the CFC whine train ran out of steam, perhaps they just ran out of tears to shed.

The game was so much better in 2007!

Well done CCP!

*Start slow clap here*

#Letthegamesbegin

#lovethetears

1.) This change probably does not concern you because you are mainly a pvp'r
2.) You are correct that many do not care about nullsec
3.) Those that do care, whether kicked out...had to go do something more fun...whatever. They have neither the production ability for Caps, or more so SuperCaps to compete in any way possible with current Apex Forces.
4.) Because of the production gap....even taking whole fleets of subcaps would be beaten to a pulp, and if no,t blobbed by other sub caps.....then a Cap or Super Cap hotdrop.

So maybe the change will be good...and maybe it will not make a bit of difference. But if it some how does affect the ability of production in any meaningful way.....as in less because your losing logistics or whatever than that opens the door to choices for the small guy or groups that do want to return to null in a meaningful way.
As a pvp'r you will have to make choices as well as your leaders...Do you send or force escort forces with the Carriers/JF doing logistics? Will you have to shore up only specific systems or constellations to properly defend them? Will those defense groups be hard to control if Fleet A is getting a major fight, Fleet B is on standby to assist or deploy elsewhere....but Fleet C (the one your in) has been ordered to stay put no matter what.
We shall all have to wait and see what happens.
But, your own personal arrogant, ranting way of speaking.....its a little lame...you sound like every other line member that is upset CCP is about to **** in your cheerios. Welcome Back to the rest of EvE where things must be done to promote PvP and actual real Empire building and crusading.

Maybe that's just me, but I just realized that (if I'm not wrong) even subcaps will get fatigue from using a titan, black ops, and jump bridge.

Correct ?

Have a closer look at who is posting, very few goons are against this, you know why, because it benefits them more then anybody else.

They have the manpower to cope with the changes. They have the Capital ships to defend their home systems, they have the isk to seed system after system with carriers and dreads and they are going to have even more isk after these changes.

Nullbears are still not getting it.

-No thug cares for their space. No one wants to attack you. You nullbears yourselves say your space is worthless. You all live in high sec.

-CCP is farming us. Nullbears think they are evil internet tough guys. We all are customrs paying a company real money to play their game. CCP wants more customers. You null guys are killing the game itself.

-Null sex is **** and new player unfriendly. Goons and the like are bottomfeeders that ruin the game for new players.

Do the maths yourselves.

From Chribba:

http://eve-search.com/stats/thread/376666-1

You're welcome.

Seems like alot of Goon tears...

When confronting the enemy on the forums, many of whom will be thinking that the CFC will be made less secure by these changes somehow, make sure to adopt a posture of smug satisfaction about the inherent superiority of life on the ~west side~. As it stands right now these changes will ensure that the West becomes an eternal empire; while the bridge hit is obnoxious, much of our key infrastructure is accessible within reasonable jump cooldown limits due to geography, where life on the East will be rendered a smoking hellscape. Should our foes try to attack or dislodge us, their capital fleets will no longer be able to 'ninja' away from our sledgehammer of overwhelming force, as they do in the present system. We will also be able to use our own local capital fleets with total impunity and no risk of a cross-galaxy counterattack. Defense, you say? The existing CFC Forward Operating Base system will be expanded to ensure that we can 'bounce' simply using our jump clones, and we already have set logi routes to the primary FOBs from wars past. The situation for us is excellent. The situation for our various assembled enemies is a Goddamned Nightmare, and yet many of them are so foolish that they'll loudly support these changes, deluded into thinking it hurts us more than them.

Maybe that's just me, but I just realized that (if I'm not wrong) even subcaps will get fatigue from using a titan, black ops, and jump bridge.

Correct ?