3) i appreciate that you did that, but after the devblog has come out is often too late, which i pretty much am resigned into believing this time around too. i am aware that is not your fault and not in your control. as for speaking from a position of inexperience, maybe you don't, but you are not the only csm and its not unheard of for people to push their own agendas at a detriment to the greater good.

basically im depressed and disappointed as heck because this isn't the first time ccp has ignored minority player base when they destroy some niche of the game. first they came for the rat ai changes, mission flipping etc. etc.

couple of corrections

1) do you assume that all csm fly only on their mains?
2) Ali is female
3) When time and duties allow, I fly and keep in touch with the Bombers Bar. When this dev blog went out the first thing I did was go in channel with them and talk about the changes . . . with people it directly effected. I do NOT talk from a position of inexperience, I talk to the people who ARE experienced and try to represent them.

m

Well, the NDA kind of forbids me from asking folks ahead of dev blogs. Sometimes I try to find a way around it but most times I try to be fast on the response and see how well I can shift the position from the original. That is why you see me asking for input and top two things you would like chenged.

Sorry to hear about the depression but weren't you normal bomber folk depressed if all the bombing in your corp was being handed to the isbox guy? or did I misread that?

m

it could happen to anyone

don't act like you've never dropped anything only to see a tractor unit instantly grab it and pull it away from your grasp leaving you no recourse but to shoot it

Makes absolutely no difference. People who pay via ISK make the PLEX->ISK exchange more attractive, and so increase real-world sales. Either way, CCP gets their money. If you didn't have ISBoxers buying PLEX off the in-game market, the price would crash (drastically, as PLEX would no longer be seen as a safe investment) and fewer people would want to plunk down $20 for 400 million ISK.

I checked all your killboards one by one, killmail by killmail and as I thought a large part of you has no ******* idea how bombing worked prior to 2012 and didnt bomb intensively at all before and after.

You are just complaining to ruin CCP Fozzie weekend and that's not cool.

http://oscurasimmetria.eve-kill.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=186748

http://kb.yulaifederation.net/?a=corp_detail&crp_id=7476


before 2012 u don't had the each-other damage of bombs so u can have clacking problem but u had only to manage a single volley.

ccp will introduce a tons of nerf much more than "before 2012". and i think they buffed the bomber to allow people to use them so was a problem and a solution. if they now want to lower use of bombers they have to put the bomber difficult level between "prior 2012" and "now".

with this feature we go in a new level of difficult much more than 2012.

in prior 2012 u dont had:

12 sec flight
smart bomb defense
higher signature
antibomber bubbles
lower agility.
damage each other bombs.

this is the death.

at this rate of nerf incoming, we should finish 2015 (yes next year) with all ship like 1HP and only civilian modules?

People bought PLEX at 400
People buy PLEX at 800

So it's established that you are clueless about basic economics. Unfortunately, this isn't the place for the course, and I don't see you offering to pay for a tutor.

I'm from a time when bombers were paper thin, bombs were utterly useless and they launched cruise missiles. They are far from useless after these changes. The only problem here is the same problem that every ship has after it gets changed, people cant think for themselves. In less than a month people will swap to using new bomber fits and tactics that others who can and do adapt to change will come up with and all will be well again.

The cloak thing does nothing to an isboxer fleet it only harms everyone else. It harms PVP elsewhere and this stupid idea just generally pisses people off.

So by changing cloaking to somehow try to fix stealth bombers you affect the entire gameplay of:
Recon Ships
Strategic Cruisers
Covert Ops Frigates
Expedition Frigates
Transport Ships
Some Faction Cruisers
Some Faction Frigates
And then Stealth bombers

Fozzie to the rescue.

Actually, one of the CSM members said that most of these changes were proposed by the CSM members themselves.

I've been bombed by a 100 man bomber fleet before. It sucks, we were low sig and armor tanked :(.

I'm from a time when bombers were paper thin, bombs were utterly useless and they launched cruise missiles. They are far from useless after these changes. The only problem here is the same problem that every ship has after it gets changed, people cant think for themselves. In less than a month people will swap to using new bomber fits and tactics that others who can and do adapt to change will come up with and all will be well again.

as said before, 100 bombs will self annihilate

but wing after wing. . . we will darken the skies with our bombers---and you will DIE in the shade

That aside, may I ask if there are any more things I should add to my summary?

m

as said before, 100 bombs will self annihilate

but wing after wing. . . we will darken the skies with our bombers---and you will DIE in the shade

That aside, may I ask if there are any more things I should add to my summary?

m

Im sure its been said before but TLDR.

I am a fairly poor PvPer trying to get into the role of the solo bomber, and as it stands I have enough troubles just surviving, let along landing a bomb, let alone that bomb doing pathetic damage, let alone warping out after a bomb, let alone etc etc.

Why make something that is so hard to be fully succesful at even harder? Surely there is a way to target mid to large bomber fleets without completely ruining the ship in its entirety.

Nerfing bomb damage, then giving more bombs and faster fire rate is hardly fair. Not to mention the fact that bombs do such pathetic damage already.

I dont know what more to say than if this does go ahead i would like a refund on all bomber related skills, including covert ops and torps.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/1410/IBombers.png

This.