| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 [13] [13]:: one page |
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 8 post(s) |
Sigras
Conglomo
975
   |
Posted - 2014.11.04 00:06:56 -
[361] - Quote
King Fu Hostile wrote:I don't think the Phobos is as bad as people think, it is better than Devoter at holding targets in place (scram+web-cbooster / dual web+scram). The damage of these won't be a deal-breaker, it basically just means that a HIC adds a bit more meaningful contribution to small gang dps than before.
The problem is that a HIC's role is tackling cap ships... there are far better ships for the job if you're tackling something smaller.
Basically this means that the Phobos is good at doing stuff HICs shouldnt be bothering with, and the Devoter is good at the things HICs should be good at. |
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
208
|
Posted - 2014.11.04 11:12:28 -
[362] - Quote
Sigras wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:I don't think the Phobos is as bad as people think, it is better than Devoter at holding targets in place (scram+web-cbooster / dual web+scram). The damage of these won't be a deal-breaker, it basically just means that a HIC adds a bit more meaningful contribution to small gang dps than before. The problem is that a HIC's role is tackling cap ships... there are far better ships for the job if you're tackling something smaller. Basically this means that the Phobos is good at doing stuff HICs shouldnt be bothering with, and the Devoter is good at the things HICs should be good at.
HICs role is to be a heavy interdictor, it can also tackle caps but it's not the sole purpose. They are staple in wh gangs to tackle subcaps and there really aren't any better ships for that purpose here.
Furthermore these changes literally aim to expand HIC usability in normal roaming.
|
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
Chelonaphobia
617
|
Posted - 2014.11.04 13:01:15 -
[363] - Quote
Sigras wrote:King Fu Hostile wrote:I don't think the Phobos is as bad as people think, it is better than Devoter at holding targets in place (scram+web-cbooster / dual web+scram). The damage of these won't be a deal-breaker, it basically just means that a HIC adds a bit more meaningful contribution to small gang dps than before. The problem is that a HIC's role is tackling cap ships... there are far better ships for the job if you're tackling something smaller. Basically this means that the Phobos is good at doing stuff HICs shouldnt be bothering with, and the Devoter is good at the things HICs should be good at.
HICs get a lot of use both in empire and LS for their infinite point against stabbed subcaps at gates. In wh, they have a lot of uses that have nothing to do with holding down a super.
My point? There is the design role and the common use roles. You have to look at all the uses, not just the one you use it for. Your narrow perspective doesn't really serve the forums or the community all that well. You get an opinion just like everyone else, but "doing stuff HICs shouldn't be bothering with" is kind of... self serving. |
nanogen
RESET.
Fatal Ascension
12
|
Posted - 2014.11.06 10:39:57 -
[364] - Quote
Quote:When a Rorqual, Dreadnaught, Carrier, Supercarrier or Titan is pointed by a focused point they will not be able to jump through gates.
There is no mentioning of Jump Freighters. Are they affected too? And does this mean that they can be stopped from jumping in High Sec (High Sec<-->High Sec & Highsec<--> LowSec) too?
I understand that you want to nerf Capital Gatecamps in Low but i dont think someone has the intention to camp a Gate in a JF.
*EDIT* We tested it on SiSi JF-¦s are affected by the focused Point at least in 0.0. We are currently testing High-Sec travel |
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
Chelonaphobia
624
|
Posted - 2014.11.06 12:27:28 -
[365] - Quote
I'm not seeing the problem with this in empire. What's your point? |
nanogen
RESET.
Fatal Ascension
12
|
Posted - 2014.11.06 13:49:51 -
[366] - Quote
My first Point is that it is not mentioned in the Patchnotes. The second point is that he reason for this mechanic is to reduce the power of Capital Gatecamps in Low Sec, not to give JF Pilots a hard time to jump (via Stargate) from Low to High Sec or between High-Sec Systems. |
Aralieus
The Inf1dels
224
|
Posted - 2014.11.06 22:18:35 -
[367] - Quote
not robust enough
Oderint Dum Metuant
|
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
430
|
Posted - 2014.11.06 23:27:30 -
[368] - Quote
Aralieus wrote:not robust enough
 which one?
The Onyx is so slow that despite looking sexy, she doesn't offer much.
The Phobos can take some punishment but a plate will gimp her mobility.
The Devoter, while also a very good locking ship, well she has drones now - yeay.
All of them do lack capacitor. Do not attempt to point a carrier on a gate when your gang is still a few jumps out. 7 Geckos will end your career quickly.
signature
|
Lurifax
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
17
|
Posted - 2014.11.07 08:48:00 -
[369] - Quote
Tappits wrote:Lurifax wrote:Serendipity Lost wrote:Lurifax wrote:The point is not to be able to survive 100 ppl blapping at you. In that case anything but capital tends to get alphad off the field.
That's kind of my point. 100 folks alpha you. 10 guys have zero chance of breaking you (with remote rep support). Where is the breakover point? Once you turn on the ability to get remote assistance you then have to set the reasonable breakover where you can get broken. Turning this on is giving you immunity to a certain size gang. 10 ppl might not be able to break you, but does 10 ppl can rather easily disengage the Hic. Remember that the HIC get 0 benefit from propulsion mods when the warp. You can still MWD when you are using the point... its only when you have a bubble up you slow right down A HIC cannot be remote repd when its pointing something/bubble up. so if he is been repped every one can run away. If there's 4 Hics and you have a 10 man fleet your prob fighting a far superior force and should of not engaged in the 1st place. I like the 20% role bonus Rather than the 4% per level. After playing about on the test server with guns and stuff its a bit useless for the most part.
No it is also when using the scripts
|
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
Chelonaphobia
628
|
Posted - 2014.11.07 12:44:02 -
[370] - Quote
I'll be honest, I just want to wonk straggler caps trying to catch up to the fleet or the ones left behind just trying to make it home. I'm not really interested in the big blob epic stuff. I figure the more stragglers I nick, the less interest folks will have in being in the mega blobs.
A mega corp can force doctines on you, but they can't force you to log in and spend 6 hrs on a boring op for something that doesn't really benefit you. I think the more of the guys that get wonked on their way home (the day after the fleet left the area) the more conflict will become local.
I can't imagine a larger alliance replacing an archon that was lost at some mid point between a conflict and home 3 days after the operation was over. These are the guys I want. I want to break the casual guys will to log in and serve some large alliance. The game is good enough overall that this 'broken' guy will find a smaller more local group to set up shop with.
It's a dream, but I'm watching for my opportunities to make that dream come true.
The 'can't jump' addition to the HIC's super powers makes it a lot easier for small groups to cull the stragglers. I'll give it 3 thumbs up.
If only we could knee-cap the JF whiners and get that crap under control. I'm patient, maybe next year. |
Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
267
|
Posted - 2014.11.07 19:59:02 -
[371] - Quote
elitatwo wrote:Aralieus wrote:not robust enough which one? The Onyx is so slow that despite looking sexy, she doesn't offer much. The Phobos can take some punishment but a plate will gimp her mobility. The Devoter, while also a very good locking ship, well she has drones now - yeay. All of them do lack capacitor. Do not attempt to point a carrier on a gate when your gang is still a few jumps out. 7 Geckos will end your career quickly.
The Devoter is a Zealot with +1 fitting slot and a dronebay added. Oh, the damage bonus was changed to a resist bonus, but no loss in power there. Look at the fitting stats, with the superpoint fitted it has about 20 CPU less and 20 PG more than an unfitted Zealot, you lose basically nothing relative to a Zealot by fitting the superpoint.
Now, I agree that it's absolutely not good enough, but that's because the Ishtar is so stupidly overpowered it obsoletes everything that can't outrange it. (+100% optimal railboats) It's not because these ships themselves are underpowered. |
JoJo Oraipy
Perkone
Caldari State
1
|
Posted - 2014.11.07 22:14:58 -
[372] - Quote
Jayne Fillon wrote:DON't SHOOTMEPLZ wrote:Make the focus point stop all ships from going through a stargate, will encourage people to bring hics and stop the stargate games.
Maybe also prevent docking? Agreed. Why not make the HIC prevent stargate jumps for ALL ships, not just Capitals?
ALL SHIPS! BABY! |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
437
|
Posted - 2014.11.07 22:56:36 -
[373] - Quote
Xequecal wrote: ...Now, I agree that it's absolutely not good enough, but that's because the Ishtar is so stupidly overpowered it obsoletes everything that can't outrange it. (+100% optimal railboats) It's not because these ships themselves are underpowered.
Xequecal, dear!
I just couldn't say anything else about the Devoter because I didn't fit her yet, so I didn't want to say something and take it all back later because I didn't know.
I believe the best course of action on that Ishtar problem would be to just nerf light missile launchers!
Dear Myanna,
can you ask CCP to nerf light missile launcher a little more? Thank you!
signature
|
King Fu Hostile
Imperial Collective
Unsettled.
218
|
Posted - 2014.11.08 14:09:07 -
[374] - Quote
Well, turns out the new Phobos is absolutely wonderful general purpose wormhole small gang ship. It gets a solid tank with 200mm rails and bubble, and the bonuses make it apply really nicely inside the bubble.
Thanks CCP <3
|
Dograzor
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
66
|
Posted - 2014.11.09 14:59:40 -
[375] - Quote
CCP,
I have done some testing on sisi and it seems that the focused point prevents Jump Freighters from jumping through stargates as well.
JF's have not been mentioned in your devblog, is this an intended change or a bug? |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
946
|
Posted - 2014.11.09 15:22:12 -
[376] - Quote
its a shame you cant use the scripted WDFG's in HS .. wouldn't mind flying an onyx too its full power, being able too rep it aswell .. these would be great additions .. maybe nerf the range a little so maybe 30km max at lv5..
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
|
Luscius Uta
114
|
Posted - 2014.11.10 07:16:34 -
[377] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Firstly, we are enabling overheat for Warp Disruption Field Generators with an overheat bonus that reduced cycle time by 1/3. This allows a hictor pilot to strategically reduce the cycle time of his bubble so that he can quickly disable it and receive reps if he gets primaried.
Let us know what you think!
I think it's the dumbest idea ever. Reducing cap use would be most sensible here, and even reducing range could be useful if you have a friendly ship near the edge of the HIC bubble that needs escaping, but, no, you couldn't resist the urge to troll us once again by giving us something none of us (presumably) wanted.
Highsec sucks.
|
Lurifax
Common Sense Ltd
Nulli Secunda
17
|
Posted - 2014.11.10 09:15:00 -
[378] - Quote
Luscius Uta wrote:CCP Fozzie wrote:
Firstly, we are enabling overheat for Warp Disruption Field Generators with an overheat bonus that reduced cycle time by 1/3. This allows a hictor pilot to strategically reduce the cycle time of his bubble so that he can quickly disable it and receive reps if he gets primaried.
Let us know what you think!
I think it's the dumbest idea ever. Reducing cap use would be most sensible here, and even reducing range could be useful if you have a friendly ship near the edge of the HIC bubble that needs escaping, but, no, you couldn't resist the urge to troll us once again by giving us something none of us (presumably) wanted.
Reducing the bubble time is actually a vey nice thing. But yes more cap would be wonderful. |
|
CCP Fozzie
C C P
11965
|
Posted - 2014.11.10 11:34:23 -
[379] - Quote
Dograzor wrote:CCP,
I have done some testing on sisi and it seems that the focused point prevents Jump Freighters from jumping through stargates as well.
JF's have not been mentioned in your devblog, is this an intended change or a bug?
The gate jump locking applying to JFs is a defect, and it will be removed in our Tuesday patch.
Game Designer | Team Five-0
https://twitter.com/CCP_Fozzie
http://www.twitch.tv/ccp_fozzie/
|
|
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
49
|
Posted - 2014.11.10 16:01:01 -
[380] - Quote
Harvey James wrote:its a shame you cant use the scripted WDFG's in HS .. wouldn't mind flying an onyx too its full power, being able too rep it aswell .. these would be great additions .. maybe nerf the range a little so maybe 30km max at lv5..
So, infinite point does not work in HS (somebody said otherwise)?
I'm my own NPC alt.
|
Dograzor
Cutting Edge Incorporated
RAZOR Alliance
66
|
Posted - 2014.11.10 16:08:00 -
[381] - Quote
CCP Fozzie wrote:Dograzor wrote:CCP,
I have done some testing on sisi and it seems that the focused point prevents Jump Freighters from jumping through stargates as well.
JF's have not been mentioned in your devblog, is this an intended change or a bug? The gate jump locking applying to JFs is a defect, and it will be removed in our Tuesday patch.
Thanks for the quick reply and fix of the issue. |
elitatwo
Eve Minions
Poopstain Removal Team
446
|
Posted - 2014.11.10 21:33:46 -
[382] - Quote
Since Phoebe is out, maybe someone can un-apply the glue from the Phoebe threads
signature
|
Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
1868
|
Posted - 2014.11.13 09:43:26 -
[383] - Quote
elitatwo wrote:Since Phoebe is out, maybe someone can un-apply the glue from the Phoebe threads
Traditionally they keep the stick on until they have stuff for the next expansion.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
For the rest hire PoH |
Recruitment
|
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
954
|
Posted - 2014.11.14 18:09:46 -
[384] - Quote
i still think its silly you cant use the scripted point in high sec .. and be reppable with the scripted version ..
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please
|
WhyYouHeffToBeMad IsOnlyGame
3455
|
Posted - 2014.11.15 20:52:20 -
[385] - Quote
Zmikund wrote:why is devoter only one getting drones?
A.K.A Hodor Von Grootenberg
I'm a Snaper - imgur.com/8EHPPWU
-
mad? ( -í° -£-û -í°)
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 [13] [13]:: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |