So I recently took advantage of the $5 resub offer to see how the game has changed in the last 12 months and have read in some posts that you can earn as much as 120m isk per hour running iskursions??? Seriously CCP, why? I used to manage a trading corporation that made 100m per day. But now I can earn 1b isk if I dedicate a weekend to iskursions. What is the point of every other occupation in Eve Online if iskursions blow them out of the water?

In fact.... you can earn MOAR!

OMG

Come to nullsec, you can make almost 5 million isk an hour if yoou fly a superpimped out faction ship, just watch out for reds, neuts, some blues, awoxers, thieves, scammers and bad ceo's. Seriously dude, you need this in your life.

Amidoingitright?

You can too make a trillion ISK (1,000,000,000,000) in the first 24 hours of your character just by station trading. Some dudes actually ran a tournament about it and the record was of a bit over 23 hours, D/T included.

The pont is, that some people make amazing amounts of money in a shockingly short amount of time does not mean that you can do so too.

As for incursions go, a realistic average with a bit of luck is around 50 million ISK/hour, summing up all the times your fleet will not get the site, plus all the time you will spend looking for fleets, assembling them and jumping systems, plus all the ships you will lose each now and then.

You can too make a trillion ISK (1,000,000,000,000) in the first 24 hours of your character just by station trading. Some dudes actually ran a tournament about it and the record was of a bit over 23 hours, D/T included.

The pont is, that some people make amazing amounts of money in a shockingly short amount of time does not mean that you can do so too.

As for incursions go, a realistic average with a bit of luck is around 50 million ISK/hour, summing up all the times your fleet will not get the site, plus all the time you will spend looking for fleets, assembling them and jumping systems, plus all the ships you will lose each now and then.

no.

NERF Incursions reward in Hi-sec

Doesnt help..... we are still not moving to low/null

ive heard its more like 150 million. bloke down the pub told me

You can stay in highsec and bear it up 'till your heart's content, for all I care. But highsec incursions are wrecking the economy. That's why the need nerfing - it's got nothing to do with encouraging people into nullsec (though that would be nice too).

Highsec incursions need a massive nerf, either to put their ISK/hr on par or below L4 highsec missions, or to make them truly dynamic (and therefore far less easy to farm). It's unlikely to happen though, as that might lead to fewer players using a feature that CCP dedicated an entire expansion to.

Oh.. cmon... grow a brain

Everyone else knows that there is more isk in nullsec....

You seem like a smart guy, so I'm gonna assume you just overlooked the stupidity of having a *group* activity be on par or below a *solo* activity in terms of ISK/hr.

So I recently took advantage of the $5 resub offer to see how the game has changed in the last 12 months and have read in some posts that you can earn as much as 120m isk per hour running iskursions??? Seriously CCP, why? I used to manage a trading corporation that made 100m per day. But now I can earn 1b isk if I dedicate a weekend to iskursions. What is the point of every other occupation in Eve Online if iskursions blow them out of the water?

One thing I never understood was how Concord will come save your asses when a pirate ganks you in empire, but they won't shoot Shansha. IMO, Incursions need to be moved to low sec or Concord needs to take a break when they're in town. However, I'm not gonna lose any sleep if they stay in High Sec.

Same thing could be said for the existence of ANY pirate NPCs in highsec. Concord just doesn't make sense storywise. They're a game mechanic alternative to just not being able to shoot players at highsec. And I think most people would agree Concord are the less annoying option there.

Here's something I've been wondering about though. Why don't opponents of these "ISK fountains" do more to shut them down, or make life harder for the Incursion runners. Just off the top of my head, you could
-kill the mothership upon spawning to shut down the Incursion early
-suicide jam their logistics at a crucial moment
-outdpsing their fleet in a site and stealing the payout
Anyone not personally capable of these feats could always pay others to do it.

I mean its not like the Incursion runners would be hard to find, there's only a few systems with Vanguard sites up at any given time.

It's the whole risk vs. reward thing that people are generally upset about.
The fact that you can rat in complete safety in empire and make just as much isk per hour hitting your wallet plus loyalty points and salvage with less logistics and risk involved. EVE has always been designed where risk = reward. As it stands, empire is a safer and better source of income over null for a grunt. They really have no benefit for living in space they fight to hold.
EDIT: However this will change a bit when alliances like mine add perks like 0% tax for PI.

I can't answer for other alliances however for mine it's too much effort. The people who are mostly against the faucets in empire are busy running an empire of their own in null sec and don't have the time to invest the effort in griefing them.

I do know that many null sec alliances seek out and run incursions. In my coalition it's very common to have a standing fleet going 23.5/7 for them.

EDIT: From an RP stance, I'd think Sansha in high security space should spawn some kind of retaliation from faction police and concord. If not, than they should be completely neutered to the point where they don't cover the people running them. Similar to low sec.

Oh I agree, nullsec should pay better than empire to compensate for the risk and inconveniene. But the guy I quoted wanted incursions "on par or below L4 highsec missions", and that's just stupid. Its important to reward the people who actually take the effort to group up with more income/hr. Plus Incursions are probably harder, or atleast I can't imagine them being any easier than level 4 missions.

Oh.. cmon... grow a brain

Everyone else knows that there is more isk in nullsec....

The fluff reason is that Concord and empire navies are protecting the planetary populations from the Sansha abduction squads, so they're not available to go on the offensive. And all this happens "off-camera" so to speak.
It mightn't be a bad idea to give l+¦w and null incursions a buff to the payouts and a nerf to the influence bar, to reflect the fact that there's fewer people available to push it to 0% and spawn the boss.

I personally disagree. I feel lvl 4 missions pay out more than they should in comparison to what null sec does for it's anomalies.

I look at it from a grunt's perspective in null sec who plays to defend their empire. Those people should have advantages over people in high security space as they're taking more risks and generally spend more isk on a daily basis paying for ships to build their space castles. In my opinion, in order to help retention in EVE, the grunts in null need something that benefits them and not just having the resources such as moons which generally assist in paying sov bills. The bottom line is that in null sec, as an alliance, you can be successful. The amount of effort, time and risk put into that far out weighs what it's worth considering you can hang up your hat and go chill in empire and run incursions.

Basically, if I decided to drop all sov and run my alliance off incursion taxes and low sec moons, I could in essence be a much more wealthy alliance with less overhead. This is where I feel the imbalance is.

Highsec incursions need a massive nerf, either to put their ISK/hr on par or below L4 highsec missions

Oh I agree, nullsec should pay better than empire to compensate for the risk and inconveniene. But the guy I quoted wanted incursions "on par or below L4 highsec missions", and that's just stupid. Its important to reward the people who actually take the effort to group up with more income/hr. Plus Incursions are probably harder, or atleast I can't imagine them being any easier than level 4 missions.

Nullsec sov-holding is at the top end of group activity in EVE. It should be significantly more rewarding than highsec, including the temporary teamwork of incursions.

Im pretty shure most of you nullbears have an alt running highsec incursions

You can make 120m isk/h. However good luck in keeping that stream constant.

Im pretty shure most of you nullbears have an alt running highsec incursions

Yes, and if they are then that *doesn't make sense* from a game design perspective. If these people have all this space they're quite literally paying for, why are they drawn back to highsec? The risk/reward balance must be off somewhere.

That's right. That is why you have nullsec incursions .
The thing is, different professions pay differently depending on the skillset of that pilot, but nullsec will always pay you more.

Trading stuff in nullsec vs. highsec.
Freighting stuff in nullsec vs. highsec.
Exploring in nullsec. vs. highsec.
Mining in nullsec vs. highsec.
Running incursions in nullsec vs. highsec.

NERF Incursions reward in Hi-sec

That's right. That is why you have nullsec incursions .
The thing is, different professions pay differently depending on the skillset of that pilot, but nullsec will always pay you more.

Trading stuff in nullsec vs. highsec.
Freighting stuff in nullsec vs. highsec.
Exploring in nullsec. vs. highsec.
Mining in nullsec vs. highsec.
Running incursions in nullsec vs. highsec.

Maby its have something to do with the leadership in your corp ?
Not caring about theyr corpmembers...?
Just letting them spinn ships all day long ?

Oh, and for the record.

I'm against nerfing Incursions. Any moron knows if they do that it will drive people away.

It's a BAD IDEA to nerf the incursions.


However, Null Sec needs a SERIOUS isk faucet increase to draw the pilots back out there and feel they aren't grinding EVE just to get a few hours of pvp in.

Last year, few hours anoms = days of pvp.

These days, Days of anoms = hours of pvp.

This needs to change FAST.

Oh, and for the record.

I'm against nerfing Incursions. Any moron knows if they do that it will drive people away.

It's a BAD IDEA to nerf the incursions.


However, Null Sec needs a SERIOUS isk faucet increase to draw the pilots back out there and feel they aren't grinding EVE just to get a few hours of pvp in.

Last year, few hours anoms = days of pvp.

These days, Days of anoms = hours of pvp.

This needs to change FAST.

This is exactly the truth of it. I pay for Eve with isk, I will never pay to play with real money. As it is I am consolidating down to one account after Xmas as I dont have time to grind a billion isk a month just to pay to play, if it ever got to the point I need to pve more than I pvp I will simply stop.

Certainly agree about a nullsec ISK/hr buff. But highsec bears (and the nullsec players that have now joined them) were here before Incursions, and they'll be here if they're nerfed. Sure, there will be whining, but when isn't there when something is changed (other than eye candy)?

If you don't nerf incursion income, then there needs to be far more ISK sinks. The PVP ISK sink of getting more players back into null is a start, but nowhere near enough, especially when you're drawing them into null with yet another ISK faucet!

It's a bad idea to nerf the income of the game right now as too much inflation has already happened.

Economics 101 will tell you that in order to counter the current inflation, more money needs to be printed.

Where that money is injected will determine the face of EVE though. People by nature go where the resources which are available to them are.

I think you need to consult your economics textbook. Printing money to keep pace with inflation only makes inflation worse. It does nothing to deal with the underlying causes. Look at Germany in the 1930s, or the UK in the 1970s.

EVE's inflation is driven by an excess in money supply. The only way to stop it is to take more money permanently out of the economy, through ISK-sinks. It will hurt players in the short-term, but it will allow prices to stabilise, which is in everyone's interest in the long-term.

I think you need to consult your economics textbook. Printing money to keep pace with inflation only makes inflation worse. It does nothing to deal with the underlying causes. Look at Germany in the 1930s, or the UK in the 1970s.

EVE's inflation is driven by an excess in money supply. The only way to stop it is to take more money permanently out of the economy, through ISK-sinks. It will hurt players in the short-term, but it will allow prices to stabilise, which is in everyone's interest in the long-term.

I stand corrected... You lower interest rates. welp.

the problem is, null bears are in empire grinding incursions instead of being in null sec losing ships.

I stand corrected... You raise interest rates. welp.

Fixed your post.

its 1.2+ bill a day if you put in a 9 hour day and have a good fleet run



let me say this, that's before you convert LPs to isk,

Wow, that's really impressive. You gotta feel sorry for those miners earning a paltry 5m per hour. A miner has to play 200 hours just to earn that much. Really CCP just delete half the occupations on EVE. They are completely unviable now since they have no chance of earning enough to buy a Plex. Sandbox my a$$...

But you can go anywhere in highsec (faction standings notwithstanding), and go there without risk. Players who want to run incursions in highsec can run one, then go and do the next one as soon as it appears. Highsec incursions also get completed, so all the pilots who participated get massive LP payouts.

In nullsec, there's only one or two incursions going on at once, and nullsec is a big place when you can't just autopilot your faction battleships around with impunity. If an incursion does appear nearby, you can sometimes rustle up a small gang to go and run the Vanguard sites for an hour or so. But you have to get the right numbers and fleet composition before you all set off, which takes a good 20 minutes, then the time it takes to fly the 20 jumps out to the incursion itself, run it for an hour or so before someone has to leave, and then fly 20 jumps home again. Because you have to travel - often through hostile territory - you can't just have a waiting list of people to join your fleet when someone has to go.

NBSI rules of engagement apply, so you can't just get together with some randoms from a hostile alliance to run the bigger sites with you - they'd rather just fight you. And because it's only a few of you running low-end sites sporadically, those nullsec incursions are very rarely completed. So no shiny BPCs, and no LP.

Incursions in nullsec are more lucrative than belt or anomaly ratting, hour-for-hour, but preparing for them is also a lot of hassle, and they're certainly nowhere near the cash cow of their highsec equivalents.

However, Null Sec needs a SERIOUS isk faucet increase to draw the pilots back out there and feel they aren't grinding EVE just to get a few hours of pvp in.

Last year, few hours anoms = days of pvp.

These days, Days of anoms = hours of pvp.

This needs to change FAST.

4. There are easier ways to make more isk. Try to find them. Hint: Isk Faucets are limited, try instead to make isk eddy and pool in your wallet.

Yes you can, more depending on how non-******** your fleet is.

In fact a CERTAIN PERSON I know who lost a CERTAIN STRATEGIC CRUISER because he is a BAD PILOT WHO DOES STUPID THINGS FOR NO REASON AND FLYS BADLY AND I HATE HIM replaced his multi-billion isk loss completely via incursions in about a day.

sooo many nullsec carebears whining and winging about this but forgetting ther precious sanctums,faction and officer spawns in BLUE space with free intel in local and intel channels for the next 20 systems 110% reward for 0% risk and yet they still winge about hsec

You can stay in highsec and bear it up 'till your heart's content, for all I care. But highsec incursions are wrecking the economy. That's why the need nerfing - it's got nothing to do with encouraging people into nullsec (though that would be nice too).

Encouraging people into nullsec? Quit camping the effin pipes!

Greedy idiots who play only for more and more ISK,
don't have any real reason to play anyway.

It's one of the lowest reasons to play,
because it's only to satisfy the lowest of all instinct.

Collect worthless stuff and feel great about it,
and worst part is, they want to do it in the easiest, risk averse way possible.

And they are ruining the game with their attitude.

I hope low life scum like that dies early.

Basically, if I decided to drop all sov and run my alliance off incursion taxes and low sec moons, I could in essence be a much more wealthy alliance with less overhead.

What you and so many people seem to miss is that null sec space needs to hold value for the solo, casual player to log in, make some isk and log out. The space itself needs to have that value OVER empire space not because we want more of you out here, simply because it's the basic principle of what EVE was built off of.

A solar system in null sec, no matter the security status should never be worth less for a solo, casual player to make an income than that of a .5 system that has the protection of Concord.

Ever.

You can stay in highsec and bear it up 'till your heart's content, for all I care. But highsec incursions are wrecking the economy. That's why the need nerfing - it's got nothing to do with encouraging people into nullsec (though that would be nice too).

And this is the fault of whom? High-sec dwellers? Nope, you complain about not being able to run the null sec incursions yet the only obstacle blocking yourself is not one put in place by CCP.. It's put in place by your "OWN" Alliances & Corps that Live out there.

The Solutions are there, staring all you null sec peeps in the face yet if your Leaders can't work together for the sake of helping out their members.. well, say no more.

But to come whining to the forums is oh so facepalm

So all the nullsec alliances should to get together and blue each other, in an even bigger NAPfest circlejerk than we have already, so that we can all run incursions together and sing kumbaya, right?

You are a tool. Get the **** out.

NRDS.

They mad thay can't afk and bot incursions. Nullbears need to keep their QQ off hisec .

You can make 120m isk/h. However good luck in keeping that stream constant.

its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.

in fairness to those of you trying desperately to claim that:

1.they dont make that much ISK
2.nullbears need to keep the hell out of highsec
3.incursions are difficult and complicated
4.other reasons

I would also be shouting to defend my trillion ISK income source if they tried to nerf it.

Doesnt change the fact it needs it.

The point you are missing is that some people can make that money off of them, not everyone.

Every single person can make money off missions.

Big difference between 70 mil an hour 'for certain' and 120 mil an hour 'maybe'.

As if 70 mil an hour is a mediocre income.

70 mil an hour blows ass tbh.

Well that's the thing. Should solo PVE in nullsec pay more out per individual than group PVE in highsec?
I'd say an attitude change is needed in nullsec by leaders. Too many times have I seen nullsec pilots in my fleets talk about how tired they are about the politics and bullshit out in nullsec. The endless CTA's, rules and just being overlooked.

So is the problem reward? Or is the problem lying somewhere else completely?

its completely obvious that incursions need a huge swing of the bat, asap.

Yeah, you'd have to do that for 24 hours solid just to buy a single monocle.

I dont fly them, but i hear that the engines of incursion fleets run on the tears of low and null sec. All i can har from the engine room is 'MOAR tears captain, we need MOAR'

Ahhh the mythical 120m/hr ...

I just put my weekend incursion results in a spreadsheet and got this:

On 11/23 I joined a blitz fleet and made 196m in 2 hrs, that's 98m/hr.
Yesterday I joined a blitz fleet with 2 off-grid boosters and maxed out, faction fitted legions and made 225m in 2 hrs, that's 112.5m/hr
Today's fleet had some issues with people coming and going all the time, made 119m in 3 hr (39m/hr)

There might be a handful of elite incursion runners out there able to make more than 120m/hr but I have yet to meet any. All I know is I ended totally burned out running that blitz fleet for 2 hrs. I am not sure anybody can keep that pace up...

You might make 120m/hr running incursions but for that you have to:
- Fly a maxed out Legion fitted with faction/officer/deadspace mods.
- Find 8 other Legion pilots with same fit and experience running incursions.
- Find a couple of really good logistic pilots.
- Find a couple of off-grid boosters
- Find a quiet vanguard system with never ending stream of NCOs

Imho, 120m/hr is an edge case. I would say the average is about half of that.

There might be a handful of elite incursion runners out there able to make more than 120m/hr but I have yet to meet any.

77 mil an hour. It seems only people who have not run incursions think they need nerfed. It seems you are right on par with mission running.

Right. It would take even longer than that doing incursions, unless you got in the winning fleet every time all day long.

Which is highly unlikely to happen repeatedly on a per capita basis.

You might make 120m/hr running incursions but for that you have to:
- Fly a maxed out Legion fitted with faction/officer/deadspace mods.
- Find 8 other Legion pilots with same fit and experience running incursions.
- Find a couple of really good logistic pilots.
- Find a couple of off-grid boosters
- Find a quiet vanguard system with never ending stream of NCOs

77 mil an hour. It seems only people who have not run incursions think they need nerfed. It seems you are right on par with mission running.

100m an hour is about normal with a relatively good fleet, if it get really crowded(130 in local or so) you drop to 75ish just on site competiton.

Level IVs are a poor comparison.

The main issue is that due to easily researched incursion mechanics. It has become almost risk free to bring in ships worth multi billions that can do insane DPS.

And the growth of such ships is such that if you try to form up with other types of ships such as a raven. You will not get invites.

The "nerf" needs to be in a major adjustment in the risk factor. There needs to be times where losing a ship or two and having to abort is just bad luck running into a harder than expected site. That will get people to slow using Hyper DPS craft to complete these sites so fast.

The fact that you can rat in complete safety in empire and make just as much isk per hour hitting your wallet plus loyalty points and salvage with less logistics and risk involved. EVE has always been designed where risk = reward. As it stands, empire is a safer and better source of income over null for a grunt. They really have no benefit for living in space they fight to hold.

EDIT: However this will change a bit when alliances like mine add perks like 0% tax for PI.

Why do people complain about something that never tryed? Yes in theory you can make 120-150m/hr doing incursions. Also you can make billions by trading....in theory. You can make hundred of milions by ratting in null... in theory.

With pimped blitz fleet, where T2 is minimum (faction and officer fits are welcome), you can make around 100m/hr, BUT, you need multi-billion ship which are juicy targets for gankers (risk vs reward?) because no good blitz fleet will fleet you . 120-150m/hr are very, very, very rare.

Also in prime time its realy hard to find empty incursion sites. They are overcrowded and earnings are 50-60m/hr.

While L4 dont has limits, incursions has. There are limited number of sites and they has some respawn timer.

So while, 1000 pilots can make unlimited isk by doing L4s with no competition, that same number of pilots can make only limited isks by doing incursions, because of limitations and competition.

Incursions will never give you more isks than their limit.

Again, there is one (well, actually, there's more than one if you put the time & effort in). Suggest all you null sec dwellers try working together for a change, just like the high sec pubbies

The main issue is that due to easily researched incursion mechanics. It has become almost risk free to bring in ships worth multi billions that can do insane DPS.

And the growth of such ships is such that if you try to form up with other types of ships such as a raven. You will not get invites.

The "nerf" needs to be in a major adjustment in the risk factor. There needs to be times where losing a ship or two and having to abort is just bad luck running into a harder than expected site. That will get people to slow using Hyper DPS craft to complete these sites so fast.

40-60M/hr. Is entirely possible doing 4s. I actually am that OCD about bookeeping. That's 1:40 doing 4-6 missions then a quick 20 in the Noctis. This is without LP which I calculate seperately. And when we talk about creative rounding let's include jumps to your incursion system and time spent finding a fleet. Again incursions do pay better. But there is somke creative accounting going on here. If I were to make one major complaint about them it is that hi sec incursions at least have become an 'in' crowd of overpriced fits. So the incursion runners we have today are likely the only ones we will see for some time.

Ahhh the mythical 120m/hr ...

I just put my weekend incursion results in a spreadsheet and got this:

On 11/23 I joined a blitz fleet and made 196m in 2 hrs, that's 98m/hr.
Yesterday I joined a blitz fleet with 2 off-grid boosters and maxed out, faction fitted legions and made 225m in 2 hrs, that's 112.5m/hr
Today's fleet had some issues with people coming and going all the time, made 119m in 3 hr (39m/hr)

There might be a handful of elite incursion runners out there able to make more than 120m/hr but I have yet to meet any. All I know is I ended totally burned out running that blitz fleet for 2 hrs. I am not sure anybody can keep that pace up...

You might make 120m/hr running incursions but for that you have to:
- Fly a maxed out Legion fitted with faction/officer/deadspace mods.
- Find 8 other Legion pilots with same fit and experience running incursions.
- Find a couple of really good logistic pilots.
- Find a couple of off-grid boosters
- Find a quiet vanguard system with never ending stream of NCOs

Imho, 120m/hr is an edge case. I would say the average is about half of that.

Actually the risk is as easy as blinking, just yesterday I was temporarily FCing a fleet into an OTA site when a shield fleet came in to contest. they won the site but lost a faction fitted shield Bhaalgorn

In a mission, you can kill tacklers and gtfo if things are not going your way. Inside an incursion site, all it takes is for a logistics pilot to blink...

Running incursions take your full attention every second you are inside the site. Rats shift their primary in a blink just like real pvp fleets do. Is not like some LVL 4 missions where you can warp-in your domi, release drones and go for a coffee

the same case for sleeper but I see no wh dweller complain about it and they dont even consider it's risk??
the pay out in wh after split isnt much greater than incursion

What definition of risk are you using then? Is the chance of your ship exploding not a risk just because its from an NPC and not a player?

Correct. When you know exactly what is in a site and how to avoid triggers, and are backed up by a handful of logistics, fighting predicable enemies, then the risk of your ship exploding is pretty damn low unless you're a moron.

Ah right. So when people say highsec Incursions have "zero risk", they actually mean "low risk assuming a decently knowledgeable and competent group of players".

2. You made 100m a day. How many hours atk did that take. Also, l4 missions have always made 50-70m isk/hr depending on how well you trade your lp for your atk isk making pleasure.

4. There are easier ways to make more isk. Try to find them. Hint: Isk Faucets are limited, try instead to make isk eddy and pool in your wallet.

What definition of risk are you using then? Is the chance of your ship exploding not a risk just because its from an NPC and not a player?

No creative accounting, you can run 9 vangards in an hour easily each vangard pays 10.7 mil for the proper sized fleet.

Do I really need to do that math.

The payouts for those sites generally go to the 2 or 3 badass, well-run fleets.

Ah right. So when people say highsec Incursions have "zero risk", they actually mean "low risk assuming a decently knowledgeable and competent group of players".

Ok so say you do that for 3 hours. That's just under 300. Of course did you magically log on in the system where it spawned? Or did youh spend 20 minutes jumping out there? Was there a fleet just waiting for you to arrive and not running the incursions while you were in transit? Or is there another 20 minutes finding a fleet? So roough math 40 mins round trip travel plus 20 mins finding fleet means 4 hours to earn just under 300 or a little over 70 an hour. Note better than running missions. Apparently I did have to do the math for you...

Ok so say you do that for 3 hours. That's just under 300. Of course did you magically log on in the system where it spawned? Or did youh spend 20 minutes jumping out there? Was there a fleet just waiting for you to arrive and not running the incursions while you were in transit? Or is there another 20 minutes finding a fleet? So roough math 40 mins round trip travel plus 20 mins finding fleet means 4 hours to earn just under 300 or a little over 70 an hour. Note better than running missions. Apparently I did have to do the math for you...

with an average ship value of 500m isk - MINIMUM.

So I recently took advantage of the $5 resub offer to see how the game has changed in the last 12 months and have read in some posts that you can earn as much as 120m isk per hour running iskursions??? Seriously CCP, why? I used to manage a trading corporation that made 100m per day. But now I can earn 1b isk if I dedicate a weekend to iskursions. What is the point of every other occupation in Eve Online if iskursions blow them out of the water?

Are you ******* serious?

Bouncing around ONE system and getting a 10.7 mil hit EVERY 6-7 minutes is ALWAYS going to be faster than running level 4s there is a hell of a lot less set up, NO missions sending you two jumps away, NO going back for agents, no "crap I don't have the right ammo"

I don't pickup incursions, the fleet is set and rarely stops until the FC decides he's bored, and maybe a 10 minute break so people can bio.

I can care bear it up TRUST me level 4s are absolutely a poor isk.hr comarison, EVEN if I have to make 22 jumps to go from where I live to where the incursion is I'll come out ahead EVERY time in time to isk ratio, no smoke and no bulls!tting.

Try it.

The difference being that one player's station trading profit is just ISK that other players have spent. Incursions, on the other hand, are massive ISK fountains. They create ISK out of nothing, and are fuelling inflation. It's a cruder equivalent of Quantitative Easing.

Highsec incursions need a massive nerf, either to put their ISK/hr on par or below L4 highsec missions, or to make them truly dynamic (and therefore far less easy to farm). It's unlikely to happen though, as that might lead to fewer players using a feature that CCP dedicated an entire expansion to.

Besides, I wouldn't have met any of the people I pvp with if it weren't for incursions. I think the introduction of incursions was brilliant. It funds more pvp, and brings people that wouldn't normally associate with eachother together. It was a great addition imo.

+1, my thoughts in a nutshell. Before incursions, there was moaning about a lack of group PVE content; after Incursions, they're whining how the group PVE content is, heaven forbid, profitable and enjoyable.

I suppose it is possible I missed something in my numbers. I was in fact assuming there were a limited number of vangaurds available and so it would be likely that many of them were fully staffed when you got online. So are you so uber that they kick someone from fleet within minutes of you xing up? Or does the fleet wait around for your august presence to dain to log? Otherwise I would suppose there is a certain amount of down time. Oh by the way Soi seems to think you are some noob who can only run 9 in an hour But sure I can take your suggestion and try it. Care to put a little isk where your mouth is? We can put 100M on it, small change for a baller like yourself. Send me a fit in the 1/2 B range and I will spend 2 hours trying to run incursions with it. Your pick I likely have a toon that can fly it. I'll be fair and take a weekday. You win I am out 600M total. I'll be really fair and wait for a week after the update so we wont have to consider either extended downtime rush or weekend rush. Just a stopwatch. when I start, and wallet balance when I am done.

Its not my fault

A) You don't know any FC's
B) Don't have a corp that does (for reference mine has 3 that can run vans, and there aren't many of us)
c) Can't get 10 people together that can tag and remember to kill the narij, scheaml, and tama usually more or less in that
order

Either way I can't be arsed to do your homework for you AND find you a fit. o/

And its those barriers to entry that justify the higher earnings for Incursion running. Plus there's a hard cap on how much they can pay out, based on the number of sites. If everyone in highsec suddenly took up the incursioning business, profits would dry up pretty quick.

And its those barriers to entry that justify the higher earnings for Incursion running. Plus there's a hard cap on how much they can pay out, based on the number of sites. If everyone in highsec suddenly took up the incursioning business, profits would dry up pretty quick.