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Daniel Jackson
Liandri Sanctuary Corps Liandri Covenant
45
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:17:42 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Daniel Jackson wrote:what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ? The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK. Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK. o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function
and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly
is both illegal now?
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6026
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:17:44 -
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Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead. If you never used it to do anything other than auto pilot or dock, why would this bother you at all?
You should probably get your story straight.
Personally I don't care one way or the other, but there are a few good points to all this.
1: Restrictions on bomber use don't have to be as severe. 2: More people will be able to make their living mining. 3: Wealth is better distributed across the general population of miners. 4: PLEX prices will drop quickly, which will be welcome news to many.
To explain the latter, your average ISBoxer miner pays for all of his accounts with PLEX purchased off the market with ISK. His tolerance for higher PLEX prices is MUCH higher than the average EVE player due to his extremely high income stream per account he is funding. In other words, the large number of "high rollers" providing a steady market for over priced PLEX will be sharply and suddenly curtailed.
Which I never had a problem with ISBoxer being in game, even I have to admit this helps to solve a lot of problems.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
615
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:17:56 -
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Makhpella wrote:Hi CPP if I warp squad do I get banned?
Yes, now give me your stuff.
CCP, good job. I support.
I wonder what it will do for mineral prices however... |
Partricia Solette
TMA UNITED The Methodical Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:18:07 -
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meh i think this is a bad call by ccp people are going to unsub accounts and stuff even if they just plex there account those plexes are still payed by some1.
prices of modules and ships are going to go up and everything |
TheMercenaryKing
StarFleet Enterprises Almost Awesome.
314
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:19:06 -
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Lord Moridin wrote:Am I the only one who want a definition to the definition?
What's the difference between this macro definition and this input & broadcasting definition? Some practical examples of what is OK and what is NOT OK would be nice.
Perhaps the explanation is there but threadnought is +30 pages now.
IT was stated clearly: Automation = a user doesnt do anything and the accounts act as if some one is there Input multiplying = a person playing on multiple accounts and clicking once, but the same command goes to 10 other screens
A macro to mine would start a mining laser, dock at station, move the ore to the hangar, undock, and mine again. As such, the user does little to no input.
If I was using broadcasting a mining laser would start where I clicked or hotkeyed, all other acocunts on the broadcast would receive that. So I click mine one time for 10 miners to start mining. I still have to manually dock, warp and so on but I do it at the very least for one account and all the accounts follow. |
Systimus
Nightweave Operations Revenant Alliance
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:19:29 -
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Airi Cho wrote:Systimus wrote:I use isboxer to mine with 4 accounts. Never have pvp'd with it. I don't use constantly but might use it to activate auto pilot or to dock. If I'm reading this correctly, this action with be banned . So no point in having 4 accounts so might as well cancel 3 of them.
Elite dangerous is out soon. Maybe cancel all 4 and have a go at that instead. lol ... seriously ... 4 toon mining and you needed isboxer for it? good god, kids are lazy nowadays.
It's just easier to use it than without. I don't macro mine and look dimly on those who do. Also, I am 44 years old. Not a kid |
Dazamin
Body Count Inc. Pandemic Legion
40
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:19:31 -
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CCP Falcon, mind explaining why the punishments for something that has previously been allowed in game are more severe then they have ever been for actual botting? Up until this point completely automated botting had a three strike policy, why is someone playing the game using input broadcasting considered worse?
Also are you intending to devote more resources to catching people using various forms of automation? Since it is already a large problem before you add more bannable offences. |
edvinb
Atomic Brokers Eve Engineering
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:19:58 -
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This are some good changes.
What i fear most is that if someone sees 4-5 guys flying in a team.. they will be reported for EULA violations / boting / isboxing and what not.
I have adapted to these changes now, so im all good.
+1 for you CCP.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
60
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:19:59 -
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DragonHelm III wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Ama Scelesta wrote:RIP ISBoxer? ISBoxer has some great uses outside of it's broadcasting functions. So maybe, but probably not. For god's sake CCP stop all the bluster and give a straight answer ISBOXER banned or not? It just needs a yes or no All this crap about terms like Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing mean squat to me as I have no idea what they are.
ISBoxer is much more than a multiplexer/broadcaster. There are features of it that people can still use. But using it for things like isboxing bombers/miners/ratters is bannable now.
It isn't vague at all. the mechanic people were using, regardless of the application/device used, to broadcast commands across multiple clients at the same time is banned.
Even if you take a stick, glue it across 10 mice and use the stick so the mice all give the commands at the same time is covered by this because that is command broadcasting. Using a physical KVM to mirror commands to multiple systems would fall under the 'muleiplexing/broadcasting' rule.
CCP went much further than banning ISBOXER they banned any method of doing what people have been using ISBoxer for (vis-a-vis multiboxing bombers, etc). There are other features of ISBoxer that work well with eve that have nothing to do with multiboxing bombers/etc. And those features shouldn't, and aren't, bannable.
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:20:15 -
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Angus McRothimay wrote:JIeoH Mocc wrote:Zishy Linaris wrote:goodbye ccp. 12 accounts unsubbed as of now. i feel bullshitted for my time i invested but **** happens I've a feeling that, by this rate - this thread is going to account for more unsubbed characters than there were ever subbed. (Obligatory your stuff, can i haz remark) I am sure that many accounts will be 'unsubbed' now that that they cannot be isboxed to cover the cost of subscription.... However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
What exploit? i use 3 accounts. and i pay With real Money on them all, so tell me? |
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350125GO
Transcendent Sedition Protean Concept
135
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:20:17 -
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I feel a great disturbance in the Force, as if hundreds of asshats suddenly cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.
You're young, you'll adjust.
I'm old, I'll get used to it.
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Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
7277
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:20:29 -
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WTB - PLEX when it hits 400M again.
Gÿ+
The accumulated filth of all their sex and murder will foam up about their waists and all the ho's and politicians will look up and shout 'Save us!' and I'll look down, and whisper 'Hodor'.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
60
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:20:50 -
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eiedu wrote:RIP incursions RIP Ratting RIP bombing
Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts
How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise
If you have to ask you have no idea what you are talking about.
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Rear Admiral Charlie
DR. SloMo and the G.I. Clinic
1
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:21:05 -
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Servant's Lord wrote:As the CEO of a corp with a high population of multiboxers and an Isboxer myself(10-15 chars), I fully support these changes.
What these changes will have a large effect on/kill:
-Retards who put little effort into their isboxer setups -People running ridiculous amounts of characters (>25)
These changes won't affect me and my corp much at all since we don't fall into either of those two categories(a few of my guys panicked without thinking, I've since sat down and had a chat with folks and explained how this doesn't hurt us at all). We don't use broadcasting for anything necessary, and the end result is that things we do only a handful of times in a play session take us 15-20 seconds instead of 3-5.
The tears in this thread have been great from the retards who can't adapt, and the horribly misguided smug from all the retards who believe this will kill isboxer is even better. ;)
I won't be going anywhere, nor will I be unsubbing any of my accounts over this change, nor will my corp(and all our multiboxers) be affected by this change.
+1 CCP for kicking out the retards, and +1 for making plex prices eat ****. I will likely be resubbing a few more chars if plex prices keep dropping. ;)
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
60
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:22:23 -
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Mierin Arthie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard? for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch
That's command broadcasting/multiplexing and it still falls under the policy. They said regardless if it's a hardware or software solution.
Using a stick with a lever to manipulate 10 mice to do the same thing at the same time to multibox would even be covered under this.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14001
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:22:50 -
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Dazamin wrote:CCP Falcon, mind explaining why the punishments for something that has previously been allowed in game are more severe then they have ever been for actual botting? Up until this point completely automated botting had a three strike policy, why is someone playing the game using input broadcasting considered worse?
Also are you intending to devote more resources to catching people using various forms of automation? Since it is already a large problem before you add more bannable offences.
Botting is also on a two strike policy.
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Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6026
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:23:40 -
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Jvpiter wrote:Angus McRothimay wrote:However, using an exploit to cover the cost of subscription isn't really subscribing, If no one spent real money on the game there would be no game to play.
The cost of subscription is always paid with real money. There may simply be less buyers of PLEX but we don't have enough information to make a definitive conclusion. Less buyers will to buy PLEX no matter the cost.
The usual market forces should kick in now and start balancing things out at a more normal level.
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Taram Caldar
Royal Black Watch Highlanders DARKNESS.
60
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:24:00 -
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War Kitten wrote:Mierin Arthie wrote:How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard? for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch That doesn't broadcast, it just changes where input goes - it should be fine.
Wrong it broadcasts a single command to multiple systems
Still applies.
Seriously people.... reading comprehension
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Airi Cho
Dark-Rising Executive Outcomes
29
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:24:13 -
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Taram Caldar wrote:Mierin Arthie wrote:CCP Falcon wrote:We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. How does this policy update regard the usage of KVM switches to control multiple computers from one mouse/keyboard? for those that dont know what a kvm switch is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KVM_switch That's command broadcasting/multiplexing and it still falls under the policy. They said regardless if it's a hardware or software solution. Using a stick with a lever to manipulate 10 mice to do the same thing at the same time to multibox would even be covered under this.
it is not multiplexing unless the kvm switch allows signal duplication. 1:1 sending is fine. |
Doctor Bonn Young
Drunken Reprobates Guardians of Serenity
9
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:24:14 -
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Do we get medals and presents if we report our ISK-boxing neighbours after 1-1-2015?
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kraken11 jensen
Californian CottonPickers
2
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:24:32 -
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Taram Caldar wrote:DragonHelm III wrote:CCP FoxFour wrote:Ama Scelesta wrote:RIP ISBoxer? ISBoxer has some great uses outside of it's broadcasting functions. So maybe, but probably not. For god's sake CCP stop all the bluster and give a straight answer ISBOXER banned or not? It just needs a yes or no All this crap about terms like Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing mean squat to me as I have no idea what they are. ISBoxer is much more than a multiplexer/broadcaster. There are features of it that people can still use. But using it for things like isboxing bombers/miners/ratters is bannable now. It isn't vague at all. the mechanic people were using, regardless of the application/device used, to broadcast commands across multiple clients at the same time is banned. Even if you take a stick, glue it across 10 mice and use the stick so the mice all give the commands at the same time is covered by this because that is command broadcasting. Using a physical KVM to mirror commands to multiple systems would fall under the 'muleiplexing/broadcasting' rule. CCP went much further than banning ISBOXER they banned any method of doing what people have been using ISBoxer for (vis-a-vis multiboxing bombers, etc). There are other features of ISBoxer that work well with eve that have nothing to do with multiboxing bombers/etc. And those features shouldn't, and aren't, bannable.
you're so wrong saying that Isboxing Bomers/miners/ratters'etc are bannable. And i dont even see how you can use it in mining other than the abillety to stack Windows nicely. fleet Warp do a lot, and multibrodcast miners're pretty mutch useless. |
horis hurbunker
Careless Airways
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:24:38 -
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can we stop whining about the the 3 or 4 account problem and talk about the real reason this was put in the people with 30 toons running solo incursions making what was meant to be a large group activity a solo grind fest that make the market hyper inflated. or the fact that people rat with 7 super carriers in different systems at the same time. The amount of isk these people are making is causing the raise in plex price which is bad for almost every one who does not make 2 billion + a day. and yes there is the solo 10 man pvp gangs that do silly things and i am sure that ccp is going to start with the worst offenders before they check and see who is mining with 3 accounts or what ever else your doing so long as your not screwing up the game for other players |
Utari Onzo
united system's commonwealth
38
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:24:55 -
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Daniel Jackson wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Daniel Jackson wrote:what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ? The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK. Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK. o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly is both illegal now?
If you are doing this to say broadcast for reps, on one account no. Hot binding/shortcuts are not banned. Entering a delay to activate a shortcut is not banned.
If you are pressing this shortcut once and ALL your accounts say 'broadcast for reps', that is banned. |
Mr Omniblivion
GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation
229
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:25:54 -
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This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking. |
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp Vae. Victis.
6027
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:26:16 -
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Taram Caldar wrote:eiedu wrote:RIP incursions RIP Ratting RIP bombing
Time to go back to wow, where it makes no sense to have multiple accounts
How are you even going to "catch" people who are input-multiplexing hardware-wise
If you have to ask you have no idea what you are talking about. I'm more concerned that he seems to be confused as to the vast difference between using multiple accounts and using ISBoxer
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WhiteyUSMC
The Milkmen
0
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:27:24 -
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Suddenly I feel better about resubbing (nosarcasm) |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
14002
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:27:48 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.
That can only happen when they remove local.
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Daniel Jackson
Liandri Sanctuary Corps Liandri Covenant
45
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:28:47 -
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Utari Onzo wrote:Daniel Jackson wrote:Utari Onzo wrote:Daniel Jackson wrote:what exactly is Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing? i still don't understand is using the logitech keyboards GKEY binds Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing ? The easiest explanation is if you push one button, and it sends the command to multiple accounts at the same time it's NOT OK. Using ISBox to 'tile' your clients on one monitor, but then manually inputting a command to each individual client is OK. o i only bind the keys to like broadcast for reps, broadcast for shields etc to make it easier to know where the keys are insted of pressing multiple of keys to do that function and sometimes i use the gkeys to add a fraction second or multi second delay in a ungrouped weapon configuration so they fire constantly is both illegal now? If you are doing this to say broadcast for reps, on one account no. Hot binding/shortcuts are not banned. Entering a delay to activate a shortcut is not banned. If you are pressing this shortcut once and ALL your accounts say 'broadcast for reps', that is banned. no i only do it for 1 account i cant pvp with more then 1 lol u would have to be some kind of god to do any combat with more than 1
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Bisu Deckryder
Brave Newbies Inc. Brave Collective
11
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:28:56 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking. No its not, this change isn't about making carebearing easier, so there isn't any actual logical follow through. |
Sentamon
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
2235
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Posted - 2014.11.25 19:29:26 -
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Mr Omniblivion wrote:This is ironic but the logical change next to be made is to nerf afk cloaking.
Yup nerf all things that threaten the rich boy club of nullsec.
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