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Chalithra Lathar Rhongomiant Legion Industries The Explicit Alliance 24	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:24:02 - [1231] - Quote Dustpuppy wrote: All you do with ISboxer is earn enough isk to keep the accounts active with plex bought from the market. You don't pay cash, you only consume. WRONG Players who use PLEX simply use in-game currency in exchange for someone else to pay their subscription. Why this escapes some people is beyond me.
GeeBee Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team 59	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:25:01 - [1232] - Quote I do have to say that if mirrored input broadcasting isn't detectible and dealt with quickly and automatically this is going to be a very rough and annoying process relying on players policing each other with a silly amount of witchhunt and accusations going on between players that shouldn't be happening. If you cannot stop it without players reporting each or micro scoping players manually to detect it then this entire policy change is a load of uselessness and exercise in futility. Since botting is still a problem and identifying bots and reporting them is still a problem I am doubtful, but please prove me wrong.
Agent Intrepid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:25:32 - [1233] - Quote Hikemi Karrado wrote: Actually a good move from CCP to clarify that. ISBoxer should now have a "comply to CCP rules" button so that users can decide if the want to risk a ban or not. For me, I'm looking for an alternate product like ISBoxer. It's just too expensive (well, talking about the driver) for an "Eve display optimizer" with a concurrent logon feature. You don't realise that you're wasting your time? Input mirroring is banned. It doesn't matter how you do it, it's not allowed. If you find some crazy work around but it has the same effect and looks the same to CCP then you will be banned. There's no point in trying to get around it. You can choose to adapt or leave.
Vulfen Snuff Box Snuffed Out 155	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:26:51 - [1234] - Quote I have serious questions of how CCP are going to actually police this? An ISboxer running around 5-10 accounts might be easy to spot but someone running just 2/3 might be able to avoid detection easier, i'm sure ISboxer will take no time in implementing some measures to make it's program harder to detect. i.e adding a delay to each remote user, so it does not appear as if the same user is performing the same action at the same time.
Agent Intrepid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:28:41 - [1235] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions. isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right. Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. For CCP to be able to detect that sort of thing on a broad scale, they'd need to utilize levels of spyware dickery that would make Israel's military blush. Suggestion: learn how to read. You should learn to read. Isboxer is not banned, input broadcasting is. And you would be right to assume that if you find some way to achieve the effect of input broadcasting or something closely related through other means then CCP will enforce their rules and ban you anyway. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe.
Keras Authion Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 156	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:33:18 - [1236] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. It's your account but I wouldn't try that as per the first post. At least ask the GMs first if you think your setup is valid before trying it out. Here's the relevant bit. Quote: We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. This post was rated "C" for capsuleer.
Agent Intrepid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:33:57 - [1237] - Quote Vulfen wrote: I have serious questions of how CCP are going to actually police this? An ISboxer running around 5-10 accounts might be easy to spot but someone running just 2/3 might be able to avoid detection easier, i'm sure ISboxer will take no time in implementing some measures to make it's program harder to detect. i.e adding a delay to each remote user, so it does not appear as if the same user is performing the same action at the same time. Would it not be correct to assume that if the developers of isboxer try to circumvent the rules of EVE online that perhaps CCP will go ahead and outright ban isboxer use altogether? If they have way to detect isboxer being ran on a machine, that would solve many problems of detection.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 296	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:36:17 - [1238] - Quote Agent Intrepid wrote: Hikemi Karrado wrote: Actually a good move from CCP to clarify that. ISBoxer should now have a "comply to CCP rules" button so that users can decide if the want to risk a ban or not. For me, I'm looking for an alternate product like ISBoxer. It's just too expensive (well, talking about the driver) for an "Eve display optimizer" with a concurrent logon feature. You don't realise that you're wasting your time? Input mirroring is banned. It doesn't matter how you do it, it's not allowed. If you find some crazy work around but it has the same effect and looks the same to CCP then you will be banned. There's no point in trying to get around it. You can choose to adapt or leave. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. Way to read. Post you quoted is looking for something to do the display optimization as freeware. Making battleships worth the warp Tech 3 battleships. Moar battleships
Agent Intrepid Deep Core Mining Inc. Caldari State 1	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:37:55 - [1239] - Quote James Baboli wrote: Agent Intrepid wrote: Hikemi Karrado wrote: Actually a good move from CCP to clarify that. ISBoxer should now have a "comply to CCP rules" button so that users can decide if the want to risk a ban or not. For me, I'm looking for an alternate product like ISBoxer. It's just too expensive (well, talking about the driver) for an "Eve display optimizer" with a concurrent logon feature. You don't realise that you're wasting your time? Input mirroring is banned. It doesn't matter how you do it, it's not allowed. If you find some crazy work around but it has the same effect and looks the same to CCP then you will be banned. There's no point in trying to get around it. You can choose to adapt or leave. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. Way to read. Post you quoted is looking for something to do the display optimization as freeware. But if that's all he wants to use it for, then why he is seeking an alternative? CCP only outlawed input broadcasting.
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2283	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:39:29 - [1240] - Quote Agent Intrepid wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions. isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right. Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. For CCP to be able to detect that sort of thing on a broad scale, they'd need to utilize levels of spyware dickery that would make Israel's military blush. Suggestion: learn how to read. You should learn to read. Isboxer is not banned, input broadcasting is. And you would be right to assume that if you find some way to achieve the effect of input broadcasting or something closely related through other means then CCP will enforce their rules and ban you anyway. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. Another winner here. Here's a tl;dr for you, since you won't take the valuable time out of your life to read the discussion that led up to this anyway: there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted

corebloodbrothers Volition Cult The Volition Cult 682	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:39:53 - [1241] - Quote Agent Intrepid wrote: Vulfen wrote: I have serious questions of how CCP are going to actually police this? An ISboxer running around 5-10 accounts might be easy to spot but someone running just 2/3 might be able to avoid detection easier, i'm sure ISboxer will take no time in implementing some measures to make it's program harder to detect. i.e adding a delay to each remote user, so it does not appear as if the same user is performing the same action at the same time. Would it not be correct to assume that if the developers of isboxer try to circumvent the rules of EVE online that perhaps CCP will go ahead and outright ban isboxer use altogether? If they have a way to detect isboxer being ran on a machine, that would solve many problems of detection. No u dont want to bann a program, as it means u allow others, u dont want to enter the slippery slope. U state what use amd actions are illegal, and that gives room too handle with new developments. Its about intent, not excact debate off words. This is not about isboxer. Its about eve, and whats allowed and what not. I stand up and applaud this one.
Dustpuppy Rox Inc 23	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:40:45 - [1242] - Quote Chalithra Lathar wrote: Dustpuppy wrote: All you do with ISboxer is earn enough isk to keep the accounts active with plex bought from the market. You don't pay cash, you only consume. WRONG Players who use PLEX simply use in-game currency in exchange for someone else to pay their subscription. Why this escapes some people is beyond me. Well I will be glad to pay 350 mio isk to fund e.g. an additional account or to do dual training on a single account so I will buy it instead of you (or someone else). The amount of plex consumed won't change, only the price in isk paid for it on the market will change. Removing these isboxer guys just will reduce the income faucet which can be used to keep the plex price on this high level, that's all. It will make regular players who do't want to run 10-20 clients at the same time more competitive. And the wind of change is already blowing. Plex price around 875k on the market is a clear sign :) If you don't like it, i can recommend to sing the song "This is the end" (Doors) while unsubscribing. \o/
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 296	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:41:41 - [1243] - Quote Agent Intrepid wrote: Vulfen wrote: I have serious questions of how CCP are going to actually police this? An ISboxer running around 5-10 accounts might be easy to spot but someone running just 2/3 might be able to avoid detection easier, i'm sure ISboxer will take no time in implementing some measures to make it's program harder to detect. i.e adding a delay to each remote user, so it does not appear as if the same user is performing the same action at the same time. Would it not be correct to assume that if the developers of isboxer try to circumvent the rules of EVE online that perhaps CCP will go ahead and outright ban isboxer use altogether? If they have way to detect isboxer being ran on a machine, that would solve many problems of detection. They don't without implementing security measures that don't play nice with many many sorts of connections. There is no process spy worked into them other than for concurrent usage of other eve clients, and changing that would lead to many more unsubs, for much better reason. I'm sure that it can be done, and that CCP has a reasonably competent programmer who knows how to write such a thing. I also know I'mma unsub and do my best to foul the economy if such a bletcherous change happens. As it stands, they only get the input from the client and it has a non-reporting lockout of multiple clients that only trips for trial accounts, which is the only reason I haven't already unsubbed for it having installed something usable as limited spyware. Making battleships worth the warp Tech 3 battleships. Moar battleships
corebloodbrothers Volition Cult The Volition Cult 682	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:42:30 - [1244] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Agent Intrepid wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions. isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right. Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. For CCP to be able to detect that sort of thing on a broad scale, they'd need to utilize levels of spyware dickery that would make Israel's military blush. Suggestion: learn how to read. You should learn to read. Isboxer is not banned, input broadcasting is. And you would be right to assume that if you find some way to achieve the effect of input broadcasting or something closely related through other means then CCP will enforce their rules and ban you anyway. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. Another winner here. Here's a tl;dr for you, since you won't take the valuable time out of your life to read the discussion that led up to this anyway: there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? I wouldnt be so sure there is no detection possible. I am sure it is. Actions are unique and logged, so is loggin accounts on ip, owner of accounts, combine it, see the actions and the patern. Tons of ways. But try it and let us know how it worked out for you
Remiel Pollard Layman's Terms. Don't Tell Me The Odds 5991	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:43:19 - [1245] - Quote RUS Comannder wrote: Altrue wrote: RUS Comannder wrote: I only have-á12 accounts That kind of quote makes me laugh A long time ago when I started playing in 2004, no one knew this game would be around for long, so I specialized players to trade, to mine to pvp and to build. There was no Eve approved way to change one player to another person or even ot have three trained up to do three different jobs and just logon and logoff to whichever of them was needed you could not train more than one per account, and 15 buck for an account is nothing to me. If I had full use of the limbs I have, my monthly eve costs would not cover one green's fee where I used to play several time a week. Even though Ebay was then full of ships, characters and accounts, it was against the rules and I am a rule follower, not breaker. So in the interest of time savings and meeting the tasks needed to be a well rounded player, I built a corp for myself, while having one player in a corp with 70 or so other friends. Let me see if there is anything about you I can laugh about - oh wait, I don't do that. I literally laugh at anyone that thinks they need more than one account to be a 'well rounded player'. To me, they're basically scamming themselves. I've never enjoyed a game more than EVE Online and I've only needed one account to do so. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 296	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:44:26 - [1246] - Quote Dustpuppy wrote: Chalithra Lathar wrote: Dustpuppy wrote: All you do with ISboxer is earn enough isk to keep the accounts active with plex bought from the market. You don't pay cash, you only consume. WRONG Players who use PLEX simply use in-game currency in exchange for someone else to pay their subscription. Why this escapes some people is beyond me. Well I will be glad to pay 350 mio isk to fund e.g. an additional account or to do dual training on a single account so I will buy it instead of you (or someone else). The amount of plex consumed won't change, only the price in isk paid for it on the market will change. Removing these isboxer guys just will reduce the income faucet which can be used to spend isk on buying plex, that's all. It will make regular players who do't want to run 10-20 clients at the same time more competitive. And the wind of change is already blowing. Plex price around 875k on the market is a clear sign :) If you don't like it, i can recommend to sing the song "This is the end" (Doors) while unsubscribing. \o/ It's more like IS boxers are trying to get in on the mad scramble to unload plex before it drops below what they paid for it, as they have no more use for 400+ plex, as they will probably drop to 5-7 accounts tops. I'm pretty good at twitch when required, and I can't effectively box more than 12 in anything but mining without software support. Making battleships worth the warp Tech 3 battleships. Moar battleships
HypoConDreAct Shits N Giggles 14	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:47:06 - [1247] - Quote Another Isboxer here. first off lets straighten a few things out. 1: Your still going to get bomb by multiboxers. but now the bombs will be more staggered so you are probably going to lose your pod as well. (try not to fall into bubble traps) 2: Most people that mine with this 3rd party tools (Isboxer) use a dashboard set up so the repeater was really only used to warp to the Station//POS and dock. 3: Your still are going to get ganked by Multiboxers maybe not on the scale that they could do it before but i cant see it been an issue where you wont see it anymore. 4. People will still Mutlibox INCs as waiting for fleets sucks (there time to do sites will drop and you might only see VG mulitboxers) With this been said I am on the fence a bit with this change. I can see why they have done it and i agree that 30 man alt fleets do harm the game. It also was a point that did need to be black and white with the repeater. But to be honest my time zone is very quite (AUS/NZ) we mainly fight with large groups like the Russians and are constantly out numbered with out alts we would struggle to hold onto the wormhole that or small corp has right now. the only time i really use the repeater was for targeting and anchoring on one toon. now i guess i will either have to just up gun or stay POSed (so not staying in a POS when there are things to shoot) so my kill board is going to get worse .... oh well guess thats fine. I would like to address quickly tho that some things for the game may need to be changed so mistake banning don't happen. Drone Assist logging may cause it to seam like F is been pressed on multiple accounts at the same time (not sure how its logged) Also the "Regroup" command may seem to make every in the fleet look like the are approaching the FC at the same time. (Again not sure how this is logged) Fly Deadly HypoConDreAct
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum 1031	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:47:23 - [1248] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Here's a tl;dr for you, since you won't take the valuable time out of your life to read the discussion that led up to this anyway: there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? I don't, so why don't you spell it out for me? I know a good 15 yrs ago or so EQ implemented a method of detecting cheating programs that were being run. There wasn't a whole lot of hoopla over it by the playerbase, either. So, how "absurdly invasive" would these measures have to be? \m/ O.o \m/ "You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 296	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:47:34 - [1249] - Quote corebloodbrothers wrote: Quote: Here's a tl;dr for you, since you won't take the valuable time out of your life to read the discussion that led up to this anyway: there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? I wouldnt be so sure there is no detection possible. I am sure it is. Actions are unique and logged, so is loggin accounts on ip, owner of accounts, combine it, see the actions and the patern. Tons of ways. But try it and let us know how it worked out for you I get <10ms lagtimes when manually alt-tabbing hard and using keybinds. It all comes down to the granularity of the logs in question as to whether it can be done or not. Making battleships worth the warp Tech 3 battleships. Moar battleships
Kagura Nikon Mentally Assured Destruction The Pursuit of Happiness 1904	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:47:50 - [1250] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Agent Intrepid wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Robert Caldera wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: You can very easily randomize the delay using most software solutions. isbotter is obvious, randomized or not. You will be busted, for right. Too bad I'm talking strictly about hardware macros done with mouse and keyboard drivers. My Logitech mouse has a scripting feature which can be used to do exactly what I described, and no ISBoxer is involved. For CCP to be able to detect that sort of thing on a broad scale, they'd need to utilize levels of spyware dickery that would make Israel's military blush. Suggestion: learn how to read. You should learn to read. Isboxer is not banned, input broadcasting is. And you would be right to assume that if you find some way to achieve the effect of input broadcasting or something closely related through other means then CCP will enforce their rules and ban you anyway. We would like to clarify that it does not matter how Input Broadcasting and Input Multiplexing are being done, whether through use of software or modified hardware. Our only concern is regarding how it is being used in the EVE universe. Another winner here. Here's a tl;dr for you, since you won't take the valuable time out of your life to read the discussion that led up to this anyway: there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? Do you understand that this is trivial under any DirectX software because all share the same HAL of your operating system. So Any software in same user space using the same hal can be easily identified without installing ANY extras to your computer? Or how do you think your NVIDIA control pannel know what game you are playing? People have illusions of how isolated and secure their computer is.... "If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!" For the rest hire PoH \| Recruitment

Hulky Boy From Our Cold Dead Hands The Kadeshi 0	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:48:40 - [1251] - Quote People complaining about others using programs like is-boxer are those that are too lazy to use scouts to check if there are 30 man gangs waiting to gank people to naive to check if the other side of that gate in a .5 system is clear. You deserved to loose your freighter and next time hopefully you will learn to get somebody to scout for you. Same goes with 0.0 bombing, your only complaints are due to your own epic fails
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2283	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:49:50 - [1252] - Quote corebloodbrothers wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: Another winner here. Here's a tl;dr for you, since you won't take the valuable time out of your life to read the discussion that led up to this anyway: there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? I wouldnt be so sure there is no detection possible. I am sure it is. Actions are unique and logged, so is loggin accounts on ip, owner of accounts, combine it, see the actions and the patern. Tons of ways. But try it and let us know how it worked out for you And now we again go back to the question that I asked three pages ago: What is the difference between having mouse drivers input F1-F4 with a single button press (also keep in mind that pretty much all hardware macros now support the addition of delays between commands), or yours truly picking up a Tic Tac container from the desk and using it to uniformly press those same keys on the keyboard at once? Kagura Nikon wrote: Do you understand that this is trivial under any DirectX software because all share the same HAL of your operating system. So Any software in same user space using the same hal can be easily identified without installing ANY extras to your computer? Or how do you think your NVIDIA control pannel know what game you are playing? People have illusions of how isolated and secure their computer is.... So what you're saying is that CCP will now blanket-ban every player who has keyboard and/or mouse drivers installed on their system? Because once again, there's no way for them to differentiate between a physical key press and one that was sent down through these drivers without hooking these processes somehow. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Shivanthar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:50:19 - [1253] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: ...there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? Just 5 seconds thinking with my developer mind, I can assure you it is as easy as drinking a soup from a spoon. - An eve window checking more than one thread of itself running. - An eve window checking if it is running on background. - Both windows connected to server from same IP. (can be extended with more checks) - A small margin hit counter. Server receives this: [Time] [IP] - Window Active receives input F1 [Time2] [IP] - Window Passive receives input F1 if Time2- Time <= impossible human response for multiple window switching margin margin++ reAnalyze next inputs if margin>=constant_BAN_margin (within specific timeframe) banPlayer() Done... Just 5 seconds... _Half _the lies they tell about me aren't true.
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 296	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:52:22 - [1254] - Quote Ssabat Thraxx wrote: I don't, so why don't you spell it out for me? I know a good 15 yrs ago or so EQ implemented a method of detecting cheating programs that were being run. There wasn't a whole lot of hoopla over it by the playerbase, either. So, how "absurdly invasive" would these measures have to be? To catch something designed to broadcast between X clients, with unique psuedo random delays between each client recieving the broadcast? Considering active programmers play this game and have much more powerful languages than the framework of eve, so anything they implement is either going to be a seperate process or have to be called from inside python? Fairly ridiculously intrusive, basically rooting your computer to find anyone willing to right their own hack rather than just being a w4r3zd00d. On the other hand, finding w4r3zd00ds is nearly trivial, but every false positive is a potential customer lost. Making battleships worth the warp Tech 3 battleships. Moar battleships
James Baboli Ferrous Infernum 296	Posted - 2014.11.26 09:55:40 - [1255] - Quote Shivanthar wrote: Destiny Corrupted wrote: ...there's no way for CCP to detect these forms of input multiplication. Do you even begin to comprehend how absurdly invasive it would be to put software that can do this into their game? Just 5 seconds thinking with my developer mind, I can assure you it is as easy as drinking a soup from a spoon. - An eve window checking more than one thread of itself running. - An eve window checking if it is running on background. - Both windows connected to server from same IP. (can be extended with more checks) - A small margin hit counter. Server receives this: [Time] [IP] - Window Active receives input F1 [Time2] [IP] - Window Passive receives input F1 if Time2- Time <= impossible human response for multiple window switching margin margin++ reAnalyze next inputs if margin>=constant_BAN_margin (within specific timeframe) banPlayer() Done... Just 5 seconds... And how short is said window? Is it a fixed window? Is it sliding scale based on complexity of command? How granular are the logs? Is there an appeal process? It ain't trivial, but its not insurmountable. It's also possible, to with practice, get reaction times that seem impossible, especially with combination commands, like keybinds with voice control and good ole-fashion keymashing Making battleships worth the warp Tech 3 battleships. Moar battleships
Ssabat Thraxx Dominion Tenebrarum 1031	Posted - 2014.11.26 10:02:12 - [1256] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Your "developer mind" has completely skipped over the specific example that I have brought up, in which there is only ONE total window at play. One account, one character. We're talking about the difference between physically pressing 4 keys on the keyboard, and doing the same with the press of just one key, which standard, common keyboard/mouse drivers, such as those made by Logitech and Razer, can make happen. mfw not a single person throwing blind support at this decision actually reads anything aside from "BANBANBAN *emoticons" omg d00d, what if I pass out drunk here at my desk... and my face slams into the keyboard.. and it, like, activates all my mods at once??? oh shitzkees.... Seriously, do you realize how pathetic your arguments of minutia look to everyone else? You're not even arguing about what the rule is all about. Here, have a Tic Tac. \m/ O.o \m/ "You're a freak ..." - Solecist Project
Dustpuppy Rox Inc 23	Posted - 2014.11.26 10:03:39 - [1257] - Quote Side question: Will this change have an impact on npc kills in null? There are systems which constantly have >5000 nc kills in 24hours, day in day out, every day, every week. I strongly doubt someone can organize a corp with real players to focus on this for a longer time without getting bored. I assume these are corps run by few real players running multiple ratting clients for plexing and renting the space. If my assumption is true then this change also might have some positive impact on the renting plague in the blue donut
Destiny Corrupted Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company 2283	Posted - 2014.11.26 10:04:54 - [1258] - Quote Ssabat Thraxx wrote: omg d00d, what if I pass out drunk here at my desk... and my face slams into the keyboard.. and it, like, activates all my mods at once??? oh shitzkees.... Seriously, do you realize how pathetic your arguments of minutia look to everyone else? You're not even arguing about what the rule is all about. Here, have a Tic Tac. For someone who hasn't actually read my arguments, you sure are inclined to talk about them a lot. I wrote some true EVE stories! And no, they're not of the generic "my 0.0 alliance had lots of 0.0 fleets and took a lot of 0.0 space" sort. Check them out here: https://truestories.eveonline.com/users/2074-destiny-corrupted
Sp1iff Northstar Cabal Tactical Narcotics Team 0	Posted - 2014.11.26 10:05:59 - [1259] - Quote Terrorfrodo wrote: Was the new trailer so successful in drawing new players that CCP think they can afford to lose all those multi accounts? Well anyway, I support this. I don't think these auto-multiboxers contributed much to the game experience of anyone. 1 person > 6-30 accounts > CCP is winning after they stop their tantrums, and un-sub most of those account they will be left with the average 2-4 accounts, so... 1 person > 2-4 accounts > CCP still winning (winning less but still winning) We dont give a ****, neither does CCP that people are leaving the game because of this new policy. If you leave altogether its still not a problem, the new trailer just replaced you anyway. Please leave quietly
Shivanthar Sebiestor Tribe Minmatar Republic 128	Posted - 2014.11.26 10:07:25 - [1260] - Quote Destiny Corrupted wrote: Your "developer mind" has completely skipped over the specific example that I have brought up, in which there is only ONE total window at play. One account, one character. We're talking about the difference between physically pressing 4 keys on the keyboard, and doing the same with the press of just one key, which standard, common keyboard/mouse drivers, such as those made by Logitech and Razer, can make happen. mfw not a single person throwing blind support at this decision actually reads anything aside from "OMG YAY BANBANBAN emoticons" What you're talking about is input serialization, not multiplication. Serializing multiple input patterns one after another. Input multiplication, on the other hand, is giving parallel inputs to more than one client. If serialized quicky, yes, you can make input serialization to include alt-tabbing and multiplying over multiple windows. However, since there will always be a pattern while executing this, it would be even more easier to get into trap as with same detection algorithm. Not to mention my single "developer mind" is thinking a small portion. There is a whole team working on it in CCP. _Half _the lies they tell about me aren't true.



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