Originally by: eleuthereus

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Dear BoB,

When I first started this game back in 2005, not too long ago, I heard many great things about your alliance. I had hoped to one day join you. Even after I became a member of ASCN, I thought very highly of you, which is why it was my pleasure to join with you against our common enemies in EC. It was a great operation.

But I must confess, I do not know what has happened to you. What misguided counselors have been tickling the ears of yourleaders with unwise words? Or, perhaps, it is actually your leaders themselves who have gotten arrogant, prideful, boastful, full of resentment, and consumed by petty jealousy. As the old saying goes, a fish rots from the head down. And sadly, you seem to have gotten quite rotten rather quickly over the last few months. Then, again, maybe you were always rotten as you now finally appear for all to see.

And your ludicrous posts here only prove that too many Bobbits resemble, for lack of a better expression, jerks. My perosnal opinion -- I do not speak for ASCN. The posts are ricidiculous, primarily because seems that very few BoB propagandists here can actually read a comment by CYVOK and understand it. You all remind me somewhat of religious cultists, who only see and hear what they want to see and hear in order to justify/excuse their actions, which in reality have no legitimate excuses or justifications.

So, you want war war war? Fine. very well. Good. You've shown to Eve your true colors - you are aggressors one and all in every sense of the word, willing to attack without provocation or cause, except perhaps as a chance for you to stroke yourselves (take that any way you wish to).

I pity you and your alliance. Not because you may lose, not because you may win. But because of the kind of players you have shown yourselves to be. I would hope that all Eve watches and learns from you -- learns how not to play, how not to act; and how not to treat other alliances.

I LONG to meet you on the field of battle. You may not realize it yet, but those blood stains on your "BAND OF BROTHERS" offical announcement belong to you -- and more will follow. You will never be the same after it is all over. Never. But you will be able to rest in the knowledge that it was your choice to do it to yourselves.

Good luck. No hard feelings. And, oh, make sure you have your clones up-to-date.

Long Live ASCN,
eleuthereus

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Originally by: Sith Emperor

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As an alliance, ASCN has never used these tactics, nor am I aware of any corp CEO's that condone their use. I have never heard of BoB or any corp in BoB using them, either.

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Originally by: Cyvok

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If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next door... Well, which woudl you choose?

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Originally by: Creamster

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Originally by: CYVOK

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Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?

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You should convo someone in goon to make sure you know how to perform it properly.
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It would be funny as h3ll if all this was a propaganda ploy and BoB appeared somewhere totally different on the map... say D2 space or somethingShocked

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Originally by: Sith Emperor

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In my entire time, in CLS and ASCN, I have never seen CYVOK or anyone else, in ASCN condone the use of lame tactics.

CYVOK forbade the use of the tactics mentioned, against all but one alliance and only allowed or, I should say, was going to allow the use of them, if and only if, said alliance attacked ASCN. It didn't happen.

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- Numbers alone do not win a battle
- No, but I bet they help.

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So you're saying CYVOK actually DID allow those tactics to be used conditionally? And if that alliance attacked, the tactics would have been used.

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Originally by: eleuthereus

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Dear BoB,

When I first started this game back in 2005, not too long ago, I heard many great things about your alliance. I had hoped to one day join you. Even after I became a member of ASCN, I thought very highly of you, which is why it was my pleasure to join with you against our common enemies in EC. It was a great operation.

But I must confess, I do not know what has happened to you. What misguided counselors have been tickling the ears of yourleaders with unwise words? Or, perhaps, it is actually your leaders themselves who have gotten arrogant, prideful, boastful, full of resentment, and consumed by petty jealousy. As the old saying goes, a fish rots from the head down. And sadly, you seem to have gotten quite rotten rather quickly over the last few months. Then, again, maybe you were always rotten as you now finally appear for all to see.

And your ludicrous posts here only prove that too many Bobbits resemble, for lack of a better expression, jerks. My perosnal opinion -- I do not speak for ASCN. The posts are ricidiculous, primarily because seems that very few BoB propagandists here can actually read a comment by CYVOK and understand it. You all remind me somewhat of religious cultists, who only see and hear what they want to see and hear in order to justify/excuse their actions, which in reality have no legitimate excuses or justifications.

So, you want war war war? Fine. very well. Good. You've shown to Eve your true colors - you are aggressors one and all in every sense of the word, willing to attack without provocation or cause, except perhaps as a chance for you to stroke yourselves (take that any way you wish to).

I pity you and your alliance. Not because you may lose, not because you may win. But because of the kind of players you have shown yourselves to be. I would hope that all Eve watches and learns from you -- learns how not to play, how not to act; and how not to treat other alliances.

I LONG to meet you on the field of battle. You may not realize it yet, but those blood stains on your "BAND OF BROTHERS" offical announcement belong to you -- and more will follow. You will never be the same after it is all over. Never. But you will be able to rest in the knowledge that it was your choice to do it to yourselves.

Good luck. No hard feelings. And, oh, make sure you have your clones up-to-date.

Long Live ASCN,
eleuthereus

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Originally by: Farham

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Not at all. I believe his intimation was if said alliance used said tactics against us, that until GMs expressly stated what said alliance had done was an exploit we were ok to use them...in that situation only.

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Originally by: eleuthereus

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Dear BoB,

When I first started this game back in 2005, not too long ago, I heard many great things about your alliance. I had hoped to one day join you. Even after I became a member of ASCN, I thought very highly of you, which is why it was my pleasure to join with you against our common enemies in EC. It was a great operation.

But I must confess, I do not know what has happened to you. What misguided counselors have been tickling the ears of yourleaders with unwise words? Or, perhaps, it is actually your leaders themselves who have gotten arrogant, prideful, boastful, full of resentment, and consumed by petty jealousy. As the old saying goes, a fish rots from the head down. And sadly, you seem to have gotten quite rotten rather quickly over the last few months. Then, again, maybe you were always rotten as you now finally appear for all to see.

And your ludicrous posts here only prove that too many Bobbits resemble, for lack of a better expression, jerks. My perosnal opinion -- I do not speak for ASCN. The posts are ricidiculous, primarily because seems that very few BoB propagandists here can actually read a comment by CYVOK and understand it. You all remind me somewhat of religious cultists, who only see and hear what they want to see and hear in order to justify/excuse their actions, which in reality have no legitimate excuses or justifications.

So, you want war war war? Fine. very well. Good. You've shown to Eve your true colors - you are aggressors one and all in every sense of the word, willing to attack without provocation or cause, except perhaps as a chance for you to stroke yourselves (take that any way you wish to).

I pity you and your alliance. Not because you may lose, not because you may win. But because of the kind of players you have shown yourselves to be. I would hope that all Eve watches and learns from you -- learns how not to play, how not to act; and how not to treat other alliances.

I LONG to meet you on the field of battle. You may not realize it yet, but those blood stains on your "BAND OF BROTHERS" offical announcement belong to you -- and more will follow. You will never be the same after it is all over. Never. But you will be able to rest in the knowledge that it was your choice to do it to yourselves.

Good luck. No hard feelings. And, oh, make sure you have your clones up-to-date.

Long Live ASCN,
eleuthereus

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For starters it barely makes sense and secondly in a roundabout way you are just confirming what any person with basic reading skills garnered from Cyvok's blog... and that is that if attacked en-force by -AAA-/Reds, node crashing on purpose *was* authorised.

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Originally by: Farham

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I guess you just want to read things the way you want. Just looking over the full posting of his original blog from August it is pretty clear who, what and why.

Your trolling skills are good, but not great.

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Originally by: Gungankllr

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I sat here in front of this blank white box for about ten minutes trying to articulate what I was going to write about.

Together we have spent countless hours mining, researching, hauling and defending our stars from those whom would take what we have built.

In each station in our space is a little piece of me, from all the hours of mining I did to get the ore together for the dozen outposts we have laid down.

In each POS is a little piece of me, from all the untold hours I spent Ice mining with the crews to stock up on resources.

Every jumpgate resonates with a little piece of me, from all the times I ferried goods to remote stations so there would be enough stock for my alliance mates so they wouldn't have to go so far to equip their ships.

Ascendant Frontier means everything to me. You're not going to diminish my pride in what we've accomplished with snappy forum posts.

You're not going to diminish my resolve to fight all of you to stop you from robbing everything we have built.

When I run out of Isk, I'll borrow.

When I run out of ships, I'll beg.

When I run out of heart, I'll remember.

This is our land.

Built with our blood, sweat and tears.

The other alliances you've fought claimed sovereignty.

This is our home.

There's a big difference.

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Originally by: Nez Perces

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Originally by: Farham

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I guess you just want to read things the way you want. Just looking over the full posting of his original blog from August it is pretty clear who, what and why.

Your trolling skills are good, but not great.

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K .... it seems that complicated sentences are too much for either of us to read without turning them into something else...

Lets try something *really* *really* simple...

Does ASCN leadership authorise premeditated node crashing? ... whichever the circumstances..

YES or NO

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Originally by: Hinkledolph

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Kinda funny hearing some of the ASCN guys whining about unprovoked attacks.

Have you forgotton taking Paragon Soul and refusing to let people haul out what they had out of spite?

What goes around comes around. :P

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• To incite to anger or resentment.
  To stir to action or feeling.
  To give rise to; evoke: provoke laughter.
  To bring about deliberately; induce: provoke a fight.

Originally by: Sadist

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Edited by: Sadist on 29/09/2006 02:46:23

Originally by: Sith Emperor

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In my entire time, in CLS and ASCN, I have never seen CYVOK or anyone else, in ASCN condone the use of lame tactics.

CYVOK forbade the use of the tactics mentioned, against all but one alliance and only allowed or, I should say, was going to allow the use of them, if and only if, said alliance attacked ASCN. It didn't happen.

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So you're saying CYVOK actually DID allow those tactics to be used conditionally? And if that alliance attacked, the tactics would have been used.

You're justifying his words by saying that allowing it against only 1 alliance is somehow acceptable, while allowing it in general is not? That's ridiculous and the mention of it already ruined his reputation as this honest leader. The end result would still be a crashed node, regardless of the people involved.

I swear to god, you ASCN forum *****s should put "brainwashed by CYVOK" in all your bios.

P.S. And I have a feeling you'll have to add "sponsored by BoB" to it very soon.

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Originally by: HordeZla

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too much to read in such a short time....

Have fun to the hostiles, lets keep it smack free, I have been given a global muting

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