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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:21:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
im sorry but crashing the node on purpose is just bad form.. Not only are you spoiling the fun for thousands of others that are not even in the war but you are causing GM's and others too work overtime..
CCP spends more money on overtime meaning less money for hardare upgrades and more GM's to rework the code..
SO you are saying that doing your above tatic is ok to save face but potentianly ruin the game for 10,000 or more others?
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konkord
eXceed Inc.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:22:00 -
[332]
Originally by: ponieus
Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
im sorry but crashing the node on purpose is just bad form.. Not only are you spoiling the fun for thousands of others that are not even in the war but you are causing GM's and others too work overtime..
CCP spends more money on overtime meaning less money for hardare upgrades and more GM's to rework the code..
SO you are saying that doing your above tatic is ok to save face but potentianly ruin the game for 10,000 or more others?
Are you saying we should let you happily take out a system because the game mechanics do not allow us to defend our space? the coin flips both sides. ----------------------
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WETRAIN
Minmatar Solidline Enterprise
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:25:00 -
[333]
LIES ITS ALL LIES! ASCN IS DEAD, XX IS DEAD and sort of .. EVE is DEAD... Lag killed it
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When People are Ready the Master will come. - Original by Anihilus- |
Coasterbrian
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:25:00 -
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Edited by: Coasterbrian on 28/09/2006 20:25:13 Few things:
1) It's a game.
2) This thread is funny. People take stuff waaaaaay too seriously. 3) It's a game.
4) There is not a single alliance in this game that can claim the moral highground. Not one.
5) It's a game.
6) It's about fking time you got around to attacking us, sheesh.
7) IT'S A BLOODY GAME!
That is all. ----------
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:25:00 -
[335]
Originally by: ponieus
Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
im sorry but crashing the node on purpose is just bad form.. Not only are you spoiling the fun for thousands of others that are not even in the war but you are causing GM's and others too work overtime..
CCP spends more money on overtime meaning less money for hardare upgrades and more GM's to rework the code..
SO you are saying that doing your above tatic is ok to save face but potentianly ruin the game for 10,000 or more others?
If you think we will let the crappy design of the game lose us a station, think again. If you want our stations, you will have to fight for them fair and square, and nodes be damned.
How about us saying your attack is ruining the gameplay of thousands since you know it will end in a lagfest. If you're so concerned about not ruining the gameplay of thousands due to lag, you should have picked a different target.
We will defend ourselves to the fullest extent of our abilities, that will inherently cause node death, nothing we can do about that. But assuming we won't defend ourselves fully to spare others, think again. If you worry about the lag and the nodes, don't come to ASCN space.
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:26:00 -
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Originally by: CYVOK [ The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
I guess the answer to your question will define the moral fibre of an alliance..... I have nothing further to add.
This war may well be over before it even starts, more is the pity as it could have breathed some life into the game.
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Machiavelli7
Gallente Obsidian Asylum Pure.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:26:00 -
[337]
Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
Saddest statement I've read yet
Attitude like that & you deserve everything you get. Not everyone wishes to play the game like that. Faced with that particular scenario, I can think of several other alternate tactics than purposely crashing a node.
Oh, and flaming Nez 'Are you Andrew Marr in disguise?' Perces won't get you far. The fella has a skin thicker than a Minmatar c0nd0m.
/waves at Nez |
NATMav
F.R.E.E. Explorer EVE Animal Control
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:27:00 -
[338]
How quickly we all forget about EC-P8R and TRUST.
It was fair game for both sides of this to cram 600 pilots and a hundred bubbles into a system back then to make their job "faster". I warned that it set a dangerous precedent back then, and it seems I was right. EvE warfare has degraded into nothing but a laggy, blobby mess ever since.
So before you guys get too caught up in pointing figers at each other, look at your own tactics.
FREEE is Recruiting |
Alasse Cuthalion
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:28:00 -
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Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 28/09/2006 20:31:23
Originally by: Malachon Draco
If you think we will let the crappy design of the game lose us a station, think again. If you want our stations, you will have to fight for them fair and square, and nodes be damned.
ORLY?
Note: bolded text.
So basically you're saying that if we want to fight for them we have to do so "fairly", not that we would even consider anything else but you're allowed to use every exploit in the game available to you because erm, uhm, aaaah you're the direct descendents of Jesus Christ?
And yes, crashing a node is an exploit, you are exploiting a weakness in the server/code.
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:28:00 -
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Originally by: Nez Perces Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/09/2006 20:13:40
I have read all threads pertaining to the 9uy UK/ISS/MC vs Assorted Pirates war, tyvm.
Whilst yes nodes in large scale conflicts will crash, it is unavoidable with the current state of the servers, using additional "tactics" (shuttles, offline modules, cramming systems full of non-combat pilots etc..) on purpose is quite another.
And that is what the quoted post from the ASCN forums alludes to, and that is what ASCN leadership need to address....
Accidental node crashing, is one thing, crashing the node intentionally to avoid losing a battle is quite another.. and there is a difference.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. The document that has anything to say about what ASCN will do in this conflict mentions lots of carriers launching lots of fighters to defend a POS. That would happen whether the servers were in good health, or poor health. In fact, going by the events in 9UY, it's questionable which side gets a better result from a node crash like that, because any major losses will end up returned through petitions.
Frankly, you can take what you want from those quotes, but as an ASCN CEO reading his Blog, I did not see an encouragement to cause extra lag. I saw a statement that says that it won't matter what tactics we might formulate for POS defense, because the node is going to crash no matter what plan is put into practice - well, at least any plan other than not defending our space, and that's not going to happen.
Btw, have you thought about what happens when the node crashes with 300 fighters in the air?
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MarKand
FinFleet Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:29:00 -
[341]
Luke Im your father "! ( heavy breathing in a mask ) ....
But,,,but ,, but that makes me,,,,,,,
,,,,,,the cousin of DBP that is sister to Thug that has a roomate that is Enslaver that was hanging with SirMolle, who had an affair with Selene that was nice to an uncle that had a granpa whos brother was married to the cousins sister in law that had a ant that was seeing a brother to a uncle of a ant that was in a BOB TREAD ! ! ! that was about a youngwoman that was byuing shoes instead of Tremor, and that will make me all EVE ! ! !
( Heavy breathing in a mask ) Yes Luke , its true. You can feel the warp inside you.....
but but but ,, I have stabbers,, arghhhh You are my father ! ! ! ! ! !
( Little green guy with pointy ears jumps into the drama with a flashligt with Amarr stamps on ) --- Must feel the warp, the warp runs strong in this young poddi-one.....
THE ALT WARS HAS BEGUN ! ! ! Choose ur altname
Comming up......
Empire Alts Write back II Return of the Jita III
Happy huntig and have a blast....
With pew-pew love /M
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slave111
Amarr Imperial Academy
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:30:00 -
[342]
who needs the game when ya can fight on here ------------------------------------------------ Minority report:Father Tommaso Caccini denounced Galileo's opinions on the motion of the Earth, judging them dangerous and close to heresy |
Riddari
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:31:00 -
[343]
Originally by: slave111 who needs the game when ya can fight on here
Less lag too
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:31:00 -
[344]
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 28/09/2006 20:28:11
Originally by: Malachon Draco
If you think we will let the crappy design of the game lose us a station, think again. If you want our stations, you will have to fight for them fair and square, and nodes be damned.
ORLY?
Note: bolded text.
What? You can't handle a fair fight? You expect people to just roll over and die because BoB is coming? Think again.
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Rexthor Hammerfists
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:32:00 -
[345]
omg reto, thats the most funny thing ive read in a while, thx for the laugh :P - Purple Conquered The World, We the Universe.
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:32:00 -
[346]
Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
Well, I guess it's a good thing we're planning on doing everything in our power to prevent such an overload. A shame you don't share the love of this game of PvP as we do to enable us all to have fun.
That is, really, a true shame - I've admired ASCN for what they've built but you have absolutely NOT intention, as your wayward colleague up there, of even attempting to spread the fun, you care more about maintaining your assets in this virtual game than you do for conflict, war and PvP.
So much for EvE if this is how the biggest alliance in the game will react, and at complete odds with your proposed plans and blogs. Your lies and falsehoods are adding up, CYVOK.
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:32:00 -
[347]
Originally by: Riddari
Originally by: slave111 who needs the game when ya can fight on here
Less lag too
But the frequent rollbacks are annoying. Sometimes I have to type my posts 3 times
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ponieus
Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:32:00 -
[348]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: ponieus
Originally by: CYVOK Edited by: CYVOK on 28/09/2006 20:16:48
Originally by: Nez Perces
Now when are we gonna see an ASCN official come onto these forums and pledge to the EVE community that you will not be using your considerable resources to purposefully node crash the servers, should things not go your way on the battlefield?
The first time BoB & Friends jump into a system and start pounting on a station and the ASCN gang trying to get in to blow them up gets "You are #1827 in que to enter this system" or "Traffic control for this gate is currently offline" all bets are off. Whats the use of a war if you cannot even defend your space because of a stupid game mechanic and crappy hardware.
If I am given the choice of watching a station get obliterated from another system because CCP wont let me in to defend it or crashing the node by logging in 2000 ASCN members next store... Well, which woudl you choose?
-CYVOK-
im sorry but crashing the node on purpose is just bad form.. Not only are you spoiling the fun for thousands of others that are not even in the war but you are causing GM's and others too work overtime..
CCP spends more money on overtime meaning less money for hardare upgrades and more GM's to rework the code..
SO you are saying that doing your above tatic is ok to save face but potentianly ruin the game for 10,000 or more others?
If you think we will let the crappy design of the game lose us a station, think again. If you want our stations, you will have to fight for them fair and square, and nodes be damned.
How about us saying your attack is ruining the gameplay of thousands since you know it will end in a lagfest. If you're so concerned about not ruining the gameplay of thousands due to lag, you should have picked a different target.
We will defend ourselves to the fullest extent of our abilities, that will inherently cause node death, nothing we can do about that. But assuming we won't defend ourselves fully to spare others, think again. If you worry about the lag and the nodes, don't come to ASCN space.
nice spin.. very nice spin..
but agian BoB are not setting up tatics to purposely crash the node/game..
we are not that low..
hehehhe..
try to hide behind you numbers.. It hasnt worked for you guys in the past and will nto work now either.. The only reason why you are still in 0.0 is that BOB got the attention of Iron & G when they were about to close the curtians on ASCN.. Or does that not come to mind. --------------------------------------------- Maybe we will win the war by getting every bob pilot banned from eve maybe.:/
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Nez Perces
Amarr Black Spot.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:33:00 -
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Edited by: Nez Perces on 28/09/2006 20:33:57
Originally by: Machiavelli7
/waves at Nez
/emote waves back, send drantis my love
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Creon
Amarr Species 5618 Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:33:00 -
[350]
Originally by: Nez Perces
I guess the answer to your question will define the moral fibre of an alliance..... I have nothing further to add.
THANK GOD!!! Cujo From A Former Life, Reincarnated As Creon.
Your signature is too large. Please see the Forum Rules for the limits - Serathu ([email protected])
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MOS DEF
Celestial Fleet Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:33:00 -
[351]
Lol so much bullcrap allready and the fighting hasn't even started yet.
Only a BOB, ASCN thread can do that.
Pathetic really.
As if this pointless trashtalk would change anything.
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:34:00 -
[352]
Originally by: CYVOK
Justifying deliberate lag tactics with the specific and deliberate intent to crash nodes. -CYVOK-
An immediate permanent ban of an account may result if:
d. A player has engaged in activity that intentionally causes others to lose connection, suffer latency issues (lag) or to crash to desktop (CTD).
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Malachon Draco
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:34:00 -
[353]
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 28/09/2006 20:31:23
Originally by: Malachon Draco
If you think we will let the crappy design of the game lose us a station, think again. If you want our stations, you will have to fight for them fair and square, and nodes be damned.
ORLY?
Note: bolded text.
So basically you're saying that if we want to fight for them we have to do so "fairly", not that we would even consider anything else but you're allowed to use every exploit in the game available to you because erm, uhm, aaaah you're the direct descendents of Jesus Christ?
And yes, crashing a node is an exploit, you are exploiting a weakness in the server/code.
No, we are not crashing a node intentionally. But we will defend a station with all forces we can muster, even though we know that may cause node death.
Important difference is intent here. We INTEND to defend to our fullest ability. And we ACCEPT that that means node death, but that is not our concern.
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iqplayer
Caldari Dragon's Rage Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:35:00 -
[354]
Originally by: Machiavelli7
Saddest statement I've read yet
Attitude like that & you deserve everything you get. Not everyone wishes to play the game like that. Faced with that particular scenario, I can think of several other alternate tactics than purposely crashing a node.
You could turn that around you know. Why would Bob choose a time like this to launch one of the largest wars in Eve history? Perhaps *they've* not heard of the current state of the server?
No, I think they know. They must know the end results of the fights that they're starting. The question that everyone should be asking them is: Why?
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Louisa Torres
Reikoku Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:35:00 -
[355]
Originally by: NATMav How quickly we all forget about EC-P8R and TRUST.
It was fair game for both sides of this to cram 600 pilots and a hundred bubbles into a system back then to make their job "faster". I warned that it set a dangerous precedent back then, and it seems I was right. EvE warfare has degraded into nothing but a laggy, blobby mess ever since.
So before you guys get too caught up in pointing figers at each other, look at your own tactics.
400. And that system could have handled another 600 jumping in without them all dieing, if [g] didn't think it was worth it it wasn't because we didn't want them to (which is what it woudl seem ASCN believe) it was because they didn't think it was worth it.
We ALWAYS think it's worth it.
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Alasse Cuthalion
TAOSP Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:35:00 -
[356]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
What? You can't handle a fair fight? You expect people to just roll over and die because BoB is coming? Think again.
We take the bad with the good, we have/had absolutely no intention nor reason to ever willfully exploit the state of the servers or game code.
We don't expect you to roll over and die, neither do we want you to. We don't play EVE so that we can have more pretty stations, we play for the pretty explosions.
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Randay
0utbreak
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:35:00 -
[357]
I think TWD's spin was not so bad, and posting of the entire document really doesn't make ASCN or CYVOK look any better. Sure, as the leader of something so large I don't doubt that the decision to lower thier standards in the face of destruction is hard at all. But it doesn't solve the problem. Personally I would never stoop so low, I would rather quit the game. I've never been a fan or believe of the "if you can't beat em, join em" school of thought, if I was, I'd be playing World of Warcraft right about now. If I were in ASCN at the time, I would have left. Losing is no excuse to "exploit", as it is the same reason why they do it. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
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Goberth Ludwig
eXceed Inc. Ascendant Frontier
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:36:00 -
[358]
Has everyone forgot that the fight hasnt even started yet?
- Gob
[IXC] Admiral Goberius |
Kalissa
D00M. Triumvirate.
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:37:00 -
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Well having to choose between BoB and ASCN both sides I've fought against, never had either of them as anything but KOS.
But for me it's a no brainer, good luck to ASCN. A lot of the pilots in BoB have a real ego problem and I'm counting on ASCN to recify that situation.
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Amthrianius
Destructive Influence Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2006.09.28 20:37:00 -
[360]
Originally by: Malachon Draco
Originally by: Alasse Cuthalion Edited by: Alasse Cuthalion on 28/09/2006 20:31:23
Originally by: Malachon Draco
If you think we will let the crappy design of the game lose us a station, think again. If you want our stations, you will have to fight for them fair and square, and nodes be damned.
ORLY?
Note: bolded text.
So basically you're saying that if we want to fight for them we have to do so "fairly", not that we would even consider anything else but you're allowed to use every exploit in the game available to you because erm, uhm, aaaah you're the direct descendents of Jesus Christ?
And yes, crashing a node is an exploit, you are exploiting a weakness in the server/code.
No, we are not crashing a node intentionally.
Originally by: CYVOK Blog What are allowed ôtacticsö
Well, if it comes down to it we can count on 1 thing, lag. The serves donÆt seem to be able to handle large fleet battles and they seem to favor defenders inside a POS shield. So simply placing 300 ASCN members inside a POS and launching about 300 fighters to take out Dreads should crash the node.
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