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Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9513	Posted - 2015.09.14 17:43:00 - [1201] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Rek Seven wrote: I hope that CCP start development of avatar base gameplay soon, seeing how they have almost fixed every ship based issue that needed fixing back when CQ was introduced. You don't undock much do you. http://i.imgur.com/2Pcaf3G.jpg You cant satisfy everyone. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9513	Posted - 2015.09.14 17:51:05 - [1202] - Quote Hal Morsh wrote: It's pretty old, but here's what progress they had 2008 or previous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E&list=FLWZW72v-IYwPH5IC-mg_U7g&index=9 I thought of it as a waste to have finished it THAT far then quit. They had actual pod bays. I remember the video from fanfest where they presented Ambulation and it was fully interactive. There were some bugs, but, I subscribed because of that video also. CCP I am still waiting. 5 years was not enough to fix this game? Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Erin Crawford 485	Posted - 2015.09.14 18:20:21 - [1203] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: Hal Morsh wrote: It's pretty old, but here's what progress they had 2008 or previous. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8sfaN8zT8E&list=FLWZW72v-IYwPH5IC-mg_U7g&index=9 I thought of it as a waste to have finished it THAT far then quit. They had actual pod bays. I remember the video from fanfest where they presented Ambulation and it was fully interactive. There were some bugs, but, I subscribed because of that video also. CCP I am still waiting. 5 years was not enough to fix this game? Could an Icelandic thing... Maybe they should give it to the Germans? They may have it all done in a week or two..? "Those who talk donGÇÖt know. Those who know donGÇÖt talk. "
Jenn aSide Ascendent. Test Alliance Please Ignore 12360	Posted - 2015.09.14 18:51:41 - [1204] - Quote Desslok VonReich wrote: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote: Welcome, noob. You don't know what was discussed when it was the time to discuss ways in which CCP could save Incarna. More importantly, you weren't here taking a endless barrage of flak form every troll in the forums for two years, until it was made evident that CCP had abandoned WiS forever. Cripes, I have alts older than your character... Its hard to tell between your attacks on myself and CCP, but I think you'd agree then there there has not been shown any compelling game play presented that has a hope of being implemented? A person with a realistic way of looking at things would surely agree with you. I don't think you would get much of that from your average WiS advocates. Not trying to be mean to them, they just aren't the realistic sort. If they were they would understand that not only is CCP not the company to undertake such an endeavor (God love em, but super complicated projects aren't their forte, see WoD), but EVE is the wrong platform for it. It's an old game still plagued with legacy issues so deep it takes a major effort to do relatively minor things (like letting you return to the account lobby instead of having to log completely out and restart the client). A game needs to be created for the ground up for something like integrated WiS, and even when you do that you run into problems, as the makers of Star Citizen/Star Marine are finding out. Continually trying to tack things on to a game with a Code Base from the late 90s is stupid. If the WiS types were asking for EVE II that would make more sense than what they are actually asking for.
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9520	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:05:58 - [1205] - Quote Quote: super complicated projects aren't their forte, see WoD Are we talking about a company that is making EVE? They only tried a new model of pshhhhh management technique on them. It failed. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Salvos Rhoska 1446	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:15:50 - [1206] - Quote I dont think WiS would ever have contributed or produced anything meaningful or productive in EVE. You need to be out in space to do everything that matters in EVE. Station trading is an exception, but even then you are looking at the market interface, and not a WiS environment. Its an alternative to ship spinning, but really, is it? A player who is shipspinning is already bored with the space content of EVE. Him walking around the station with other likewise bored people is not likely to result in anything constructive. Just a huge amount of tickets sent for inappropriate behavior, especially by "kalsarik+ñnni" (meaning "underwear drunks" in Finnish) players on a weekend. Corps meetings in station to plan things might have been interesting, but this is already facilitated through forums, ingame chat and voice comms. WiS seemed to feature some playable "chess" rendition minigame, and some latent potential for gambling systems (enormously frought with legal liabilities). I dont think either of these would improve retention or interest. It was a failed concept from the start, barring actual FPS style content elsewhere than in a standard station. Underdstandable they pursued it, due to the remarkable character creation customisation system that, really weirdly, accompanied EVE development, and the forays into various avatar options explored and developed in the WoD effort. Some of that was implemented in DUST, but that too is now fail. PvE v PvP
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9521	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:26:04 - [1207] - Quote Quote: You need to be out in space to do everything that matters in EVE. Or in chat. Jita local. Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Salvos Rhoska 1446	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:32:14 - [1208] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: Quote: You need to be out in space to do everything that matters in EVE. Or in chat. Jita local. Nothing matters in Jita local. Its just endless streams of spam. And as I said, ingame chat already provides that. You don't need a WiS station for it. You can do it while ship-spinning or standing idly in your Captains Quarters. PvE v PvP
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 52231	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:43:26 - [1209] - Quote Everywhere that you have social interaction you have space content being generated as a result. Forums. Local. Convos. Teamspeak. Slack. Off-game forums/sites. You name it. To say providing more social platforms tied within the game won't produce any space content is kinda naive tbh. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò Gû+ -¦-âss
Salvos Rhoska 1447	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:48:57 - [1210] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: Everywhere that you have social interaction you have space content being generated as a result. Forums. Local. Convos. Teamspeak. Slack. Off-game forums/sites. You name it. To say providing more social platforms tied within the game won't produce any space content is kinda naive tbh. Its naive that you dont realize that exact same social content is already provided by exactly the forums, local, convos, teamspeak,mslack, offgame forums/sites that you mention. Being able to walk around in a station while doing so does not add anything to those existing formats of social interaction. It just means you can walk, while you talk. Who cares? You really think people give a damn about your avatar except for the first 1 second impression? Furthermore, WiS station content systemically REDUCES space content, because you cant do both at once. Either you are trying to catfish desperate nerds with your sexy avatar in a station bar (!?) (and yours isnt attractive, btw), or you are out in space, making space content. PvE v PvP
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 52231	Posted - 2015.09.14 19:50:51 - [1211] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Erica Dusette wrote: Everywhere that you have social interaction you have space content being generated as a result. Forums. Local. Convos. Teamspeak. Slack. Off-game forums/sites. You name it. To say providing more social platforms tied within the game won't produce any space content is kinda naive tbh. Its naive that you dont realize that exact same social content is already provided by exactly the forums, local, convos, teamspeak,mslack, offgame forums/sites that you mention. Being able to walk around in a station while doing so does not add anything to those existing formats of social interaction. It just means you can walk, while you talk. Who cares? You really think people give a damn about your avatar exceot for the first 1 second impression? We already have everything we need here for a kickass game of blowing up spaceships too. So why are we asking for more or asking for improvements? The "but we can already.." argument is equally naive. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò Gû+ -¦-âss
Salvos Rhoska 1447	Posted - 2015.09.14 20:03:21 - [1212] - Quote Is there supposed to be a point in there somewhere? I aint seeing it. PvE v PvP
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9521	Posted - 2015.09.14 20:29:34 - [1213] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Tbh Id be creeped the HELL out by people who choose to hang around in a station bar on their avatars. Id more or less assume they are some extremely lonely individuals looking for someone to engage in extremely weird cybering that I dont even want to think about, Oh look I am spaceship! I have wings! I can fly! I am invincible! Oh no, what is this flash! Crap, CODE again, I need to grow a new pair.... #creepy Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 52232	Posted - 2015.09.14 20:47:05 - [1214] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Is there supposed to be a point in there somewhere? I dont see it. Absolutely, sir. I'll show you ... Salvos Rhoska wrote: Tbh Id be creeped the HELL out by people who choose to hang around in a station bar on their avatars. Boom. And here it is, ladies and gentlemen. You only ever need dig a little under the surface. This is the actual source of resistance to such a feature. Nothing to do with practicality, content, dev hours, etc. Those are just the superficial arguments that a lot of folks will try to peddle (and try rather hard for that matter). It's all social resistance. The perfect example to show exactly what I mean is ship skins. Here's a feature that adds absolutely nothing to any aspect of the game in any form. Yet as I write this post Devs are toiling in graphical interfaces to make more and more ship skins. They don't add content, they don't add immersion. They look the same every time you see them, it's not like John's Quafe Merlin or something will look any different to Matthew's Quafe Merlin, for example. People don't care if your ship is skinned or not, they won't pause on a gate and go "ohhh nice skin", in fact nobody will even know you have one unless you're on grid with a capital. Take all the technical arguments against avatar-features and apply them to ship skins. Suddenly skins seem like the most ridiculous thing ever added to the game. Yet here are hundreds of players pumping thousands of dollars into the game for these skins which don't even qualify as a vanity item. Little different to buying a custom colour for your EVE interface really. And sure, a lot of players actually feel like this and won't spend the money on skins. But because skins may seem pointless to one person, just like an avatar feature may, doesn't mean those who do find it meaningful somehow should be prevented from enjoying it. Overall it's good for the game anyway: $$. Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò Gû+ -¦-âss
Salvos Rhoska 1447	Posted - 2015.09.14 20:51:40 - [1215] - Quote Except you use those ship skins while doing EVE space stuff. There have been, and are, EVE clothing options that also have some success. Those have not required WiS to happen, or have that success. People buy em to doll up their space barbie. Has no connection to WiS (because WiS DOES NOT EVEN EXIST). You still haven't made a point. PS: JESUS CHRIST. I just checked your blog. "Modelling Career Despite discharging from State Militia service, Erica didn't leave before being noticed by a prominent State Military propaganda officer who saw potential in the young woman to serve as a promotional and recruitment model for Caldari Navy. Erica's natural beauty, along with her with unusually long legs, made her ideal for the role and her images would go on to grace numerous military recruitment posters and several holo-magazine publications." -http://mewmew.webnode.com/biographies/erica-dusette/ WTF AM I READING PvE v PvP
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 52232	Posted - 2015.09.14 20:59:53 - [1216] - Quote Hello sir, I'm a roleplayer and it's nice to meet you. You've maybe seen some of my other characters around. They all have character bios on that site too. I've been kinda busy lately commissioning some lovely arts for them. And, I made my point perfectly I think. You just don't want to see it because you're too busy being creeped out and trying your best to make yourself feel better about that by trolling. Not gonna work on this old camel, sir. Edit: And please link my bio and blog properly if you're going to give it free plugs for me. GÖÑ Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò Gû+ -¦-âss
Bagrat Skalski Poseidaon 9521	Posted - 2015.09.14 21:00:35 - [1217] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: PS: JESUS CHRIST. I just checked your blog. You should have checked the killboard. Its where all the magick happens for you, right? Custom ship skins \| Since 2014 \| Character creator style "repaint" \| Bring back the dream
Salvos Rhoska 1447	Posted - 2015.09.14 21:02:34 - [1218] - Quote Erica Dusette wrote: And, I made my point perfectly I think. You just don't want to see it because you're too busy being creeped out Yes. You have made your point. Yes. I am DEEPLY and EXTREMELY creeped out. PvE v PvP
Erica Dusette Isogen 5 52232	Posted - 2015.09.14 21:04:27 - [1219] - Quote Gives you creepy-eyed stare !!! Jack Miton > you be nice or you're sleeping on the couch again! Part-Time Wormhole Pirate pâä Full-Time Supermodel Gû+ wor-+-+ole d+¦ary + c-+arac-éer -¦+¦o-ò Gû+ -¦-âss
Cassius Marcellus BRG Corp 17	Posted - 2015.09.14 21:05:18 - [1220] - Quote Bagrat Skalski wrote: Salvos Rhoska wrote: PS: JESUS CHRIST. I just checked your blog. You should have checked the killboard. Its where all the magick happens for you, right? Why would he do that? She has tons and tons more kills, and excellent efficiency, compared to his NPC Corp alt?
mr roadkill O G R E S Azgoths of Kria 25	Posted - 2015.09.14 21:17:31 - [1221] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: Is there supposed to be a point in there somewhere? I dont see it. What does walking around in a station bar with your avatar offer, that Forums. Local. Convos. Teamspeak. Slack. Off-game forums/sites, dont already offer? Walking in stations always seemed a bit pointless. Fighting on stations now that something else. CCP answered their own point in regards to this in my opinion. The design issue was that we are immortal podpilots but we can be killed when outside the pod. They then invented the clone soldier which for all the lore reasons are supposed to be different to us... a primative version for all intents and purposes. But they could just as easily said 'pods are now obsolete you plug your ship directly into the sleeper implant that is in your brain (this is the new pod and it is in your head) when you get shot the implant registers your death and transmitts your conciousness to your new clone'. And there you have it.... fighting in stations stations is now possible... once a 0.0 system has been entosises the station is vulnerable during the set timer you (the attacker) can land your ships unplug from it and go shoot people to take their stationservices. Once this is done you hack the main computer and the enemy has x hours to take it back. Anyone?
Dani Dusette Isogen 5 8023	Posted - 2015.09.14 22:31:47 - [1222] - Quote Salvos Rhoska wrote: "with Dani attempting to seduce a former partner of Erica's while drunk one evening in station." Wow thanks, Erica. You put that in my public bio?? I'm never drinking again ... AND JUST FYI .... I'm not used to drinking and fell asleep. Thus nothing happened. Okay? <.< d+¦ní pàñpàñ pàñ -â-+l-â +¦-+ d+¦-Å-¦-+-ö-ò-ò c+¦-+ -â-â-à -ò-ö-ö -é-+-ö -ò-é+¦-Å-ò ISD Ezwal: "Might I inform you that I am as real as it gets?"
Barbara Nichole Cryogenic Consultancy 694	Posted - 2015.09.15 03:48:27 - [1223] - Quote Tarpedo wrote: CCP management has underestimated importance of RPG elements (avatars) while strategy/PvP part obviously isn't enough to keep players in EVE having 3+ competing spaceship games on the market. Each competitor either has avatars already or will add them during 2015 - EVE will be the only WiS-less spaceship game in 2016. And only one with mandatory subscription.. You forgot, "Eve is the best of the spaceship games" ...even if you are referring to that mythical star-ship game, citizen star commander or what ever it's called.. -á-á- remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not-á "afk" cloaking-á- [IMG]http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a208/DawnFrostbringer/consultsig.jpg[/IMG]
Cfern Arsten Republic University Minmatar Republic 8	Posted - 2015.09.15 05:22:55 - [1224] - Quote WiP should be the framework for a completely separate, but EVE-related, game. An adventure game. Strategy game. Shooter. Etc. I hope to see that in the future.
Rek Seven Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering 1999	Posted - 2015.09.15 05:57:41 - [1225] - Quote Delt0r Garsk wrote: Rek Seven wrote: I hope that CCP start development of avatar base gameplay soon, seeing how they have almost fixed every ship based issue that needed fixing back when CQ was introduced. You don't undock much do you. I don't dock at all because I live in wormhole space... Do you have a point to you stupid little comment? Or are you going to sit there and tell me that eve is going to be fine as long as it keeps doing the same old stuff it has been doing for years? Eve has improved but sooner or later games live star citizen will offer everything eve does and more, while you guys are still posting in the "eve is dying" threads wondering what's happening You sound like an idiot when you say "create content" when you mean find a fight, gank, etc... Stop it!
Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 414	Posted - 2015.09.15 09:29:00 - [1226] - Quote Cfern Arsten wrote: WiP should be the framework for a completely separate, but EVE-related, game. An adventure game. Strategy game. Shooter. Etc. I hope to see that in the future. Oh, you mean Dust. Yes, yes it should.
Unezka Turigahl Det Som Engang Var 923	Posted - 2015.09.15 09:53:26 - [1227] - Quote CCP should have made a single player/limited coop FPS/RPG along the likes of Mass Effect or Deus Ex. Play a lowly normo human space pirate, explore seedy space stations and various planet environs, come across some freaky capsuleer demigods every now and then... Wanna be one of those freaky capsuleers you saw? Subscribe to EVE Online! CCP would get to do a bunch of stuff with the EVE universe that would be problematic in EVE itself. CCP doesn't seem to want to do anything other than "service" style games though.
Anna Karhunen Inoue INEXP 458	Posted - 2015.09.15 12:31:06 - [1228] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: CCP should have made a single player/limited coop FPS/RPG along the likes of Mass Effect or Deus Ex. Play a lowly normo human space pirate, explore seedy space stations and various planet environs, come across some freaky capsuleer demigods every now and then... Wanna be one of those freaky capsuleers you saw? Subscribe to EVE Online! CCP would get to do a bunch of stuff with the EVE universe that would be problematic in EVE itself. CCP doesn't seem to want to do anything other than "service" style games though. Yeah, that sort of game would have been good. They could have made it indeed free to play, with option of subscribing. If player chose to subscribe, they would get access to cloning facilities (without which dying would be permanent - and thus could be seen as hard mode). Player would also geet access to EVE, though they would have to train EVE skills to be able to fly the ships. As my old maths teacher used to say: "Statistics are like bikinis: It's what they don't show that's interesting". -CCP Aporia
Kinroi Alari Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 40	Posted - 2015.09.15 14:07:58 - [1229] - Quote Rek Seven wrote: I don't dock at all because I live in wormhole space... Heh. I keep a clone in Thera just because it amuses me to be able to dock in w-space / Anoikis.
Kinroi Alari Pan Galactic Gargle Blasters Ocularis Inferno 40	Posted - 2015.09.15 14:11:58 - [1230] - Quote Unezka Turigahl wrote: CCP should have made a single player/limited coop FPS/RPG along the likes of Mass Effect or Deus Ex. Play a lowly normo human space pirate, explore seedy space stations and various planet environs, come across some freaky capsuleer demigods every now and then... Wanna be one of those freaky capsuleers you saw? Subscribe to EVE Online! I'd love to see something like this as a feeder game (it might also give some of my corpmates who have bailed for kids or jobs a way to keep his or her hand in New Eden in a lower pressure way than as a capsuleer). But then I am silly and hope that CCP revives the idea of meatspace exploration of abandoned relic stations, etc., by capsuleers, cloned infantry, and the like.

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