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Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
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Posted - 2016.01.04 18:07:19 -
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Jenn aSide wrote:Roberta Gastoni wrote:
You know, regardless of the game, everywhere is the same.
This is because the common denominator is 'people' lol. 'People' are almost never satisfied with anything. That's ok, that's them. What I tend to find annoying isn't that these 'people' exist, it's that they look at those of us who aren't like them, who can actually be satisfied with a thing (probably because we don't believe the universe owe us everything just because we want it)....) like we're the ones with the problem lol. If you go back in this very thread you can find where I linked some posts from World of Tanks forums where people plead for and demand INFANTRY....in a game called "World of TANKS". This despite the plethora of other , more complete war games that have infantry that they could be playing. They expect the world to cater to them, rather than them having to adapt to the world. My problem with the WiS crowd doesn't come from the fact that some dude sitting in front of a computer wants to have avatar stuff in EVE so that they can sit at a bar that doesn't exist and drink beverages they can't taste while staring out a window at an imaginary planet. To each his own. The problem comes from their constant nattering about how easy it would all be for someone (who isn't them) to add that kind of stuff to EVE despite CCP's track record with such things.
It's not easy at all. But it was marketed as going to happen for years, it was developed for years. EVE was never called world of spaceships. Assets are there. Some usable, some dated. Concepts are there. Some usable, some not.
Easy to implement? Well, clearly not. It took them months to do a single room, though word from ex-employees was that particular team was fairly incompetent. Ultimately its a thing thats wanted and whether or not its part of the eve client is fairly moot as long as its done well.
The biggest roadblock isn't whether or not it adds anything to the game, technical limitations or whether or not the players want it. The biggest roadblock is whether or not CCP can stop being bad at anything that isn't a numbers tweak long enough for new content to actually become good. That, really, is the problem. If it's not a spaceship CCP tends to screw it up. Took a long time before we got ourselves a Rattati for Dust, and they had to pull him out of some financial office or something. Talk about an unlikely savior. |
Arya Ikahrus
8
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Posted - 2016.01.04 18:22:40 -
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They could start small. Create a room to represent the Corp offices we rent, a fancy table that can show various maps in the middle, big window of space, bar in the back corner with a few tables with poker and chess on them.
No official in-game gambling, if it's corp mates you could just trust each other (which of course could lead to stealing, which at some point in the future could lead to shooting! I'm getting carried away...) |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
492
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Posted - 2016.01.04 18:28:48 -
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Problem with starting small is one side of the fence criticizes them for using it as an excuse to drag out development and get nothing done, and on the other side you get people whining that the small thing "adds nothing to gameplay" and "takes away from spaceship development".
So the only way both sides are content is if CCP suddenly and magically releases a bunch of "meaningful content" all at once so it cant get in the way of anything and doesn't feel like a slow bleedout.... which is obviously impossible. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30163
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Posted - 2016.01.04 19:30:50 -
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Kuronaga wrote:Problem with starting small is one side of the fence criticizes them for using it as an excuse to drag out development and get nothing done, and on the other side you get people whining that the small thing "adds nothing to gameplay" and "takes away from spaceship development".
So the only way both sides are content is if CCP suddenly and magically releases a bunch of "meaningful content" all at once so it cant get in the way of anything and doesn't feel like a slow bleedout.... which is obviously impossible.
I mean they might be able to pull something like that off with a really big additional dev team, but seeing as how we've got them working on throwaway VR fads that doesn't seem to be the reality right now.
Errr ... no.
When CCP tells them "We start small" then people will accept that "they start small".
PLUS: There will ALWAYS be whining, so you have no argument in that direction.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.01.04 20:04:29 -
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Kuronaga wrote:I mean they might be able to pull something like that off with a really big additional dev team, but seeing as how we've got them working on throwaway VR fads that doesn't seem to be the reality right now.
The VR stuff they are pulling out with valkyre is quite different, as Valkyre is going to be bundled with the Oculus Rift headset.
Now, when you bundle a software with a hardware, the company selling the hardware makes a deal with the software company saying "we buy you XXX licenses of the game for a special price" where XXX is the number of hardware pieces they wish to bundle.
In the case of EvE: Valkyre the hardware company much likely bought a certain number of copies while the game was in the developing status or simply gave a certain amount of money in exchange of having a game tailored for their hardware. I admit, I'm not really into this, so details may vary, but it's basically what the consoles do every day, and CCP has done it already with dust.
My point is making a game for an hardware piece or console has it's monetary upsides and it's going to be a positive revenue for the company making it, but the size of its dev team is probably totally not influent to EvE. At best we might end up with some high render model of ships used in Valkyre ported into EvE.
And as a last note, most companies (and videogame ones are no exeption) hire workers "per project", meaning you get hired to work on a certain thing / project / part of project, and once your job is done the contract is resolved, so you also risk to not have Valkyre devs working on EvE once the project is done. Probably the dev team is going to be downsized to keep the game updated and patched over time.
So stop look at valkyre as something that's stealing dev power from EvE as the project as most likely parallels and not tangential to each other. |
Roberta Gastoni
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
35
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Posted - 2016.01.04 20:10:38 -
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Solecist Project wrote:
Errr ... no.
When CCP tells them "We start small" then people will accept that "they start small".
PLUS: There will ALWAYS be whining, so you have no argument in that direction.
Actually it's better to not even say anything to the people until you have something in your hands, because "we start small" multiplied by the "hype train" can have disastrous effects.
Look at this thread, WiS was hyped to insane levels, failed to meet even the lowest expectation and ended up... like we see it now: A blue arrow near "undock" to enter the "avatar and spaceship screenshot mode".
Very nice ones I've to say, thanks to the GTX 980 I've on. |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30175
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Posted - 2016.01.04 20:32:23 -
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Roberta Gastoni wrote:Solecist Project wrote:
Errr ... no.
When CCP tells them "We start small" then people will accept that "they start small".
PLUS: There will ALWAYS be whining, so you have no argument in that direction.
Actually it's better to not even say anything to the people until you have something in your hands, because "we start small" multiplied by the "hype train" can have disastrous effects. Look at this thread, WiS was hyped to insane levels, failed to meet even the lowest expectation and ended up... like we see it now: A blue arrow near "undock" to enter the "avatar and spaceship screenshot mode". Very nice ones I've to say, thanks to the GTX 980 I've on.
Uhm ... my GTX765m produces the exact same result ...
... just as my last generation notebook ...
... and tbh image quality in that room isn't the best. :p
And you're right ... they should just say nothing at all. ^_^
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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Arya Ikahrus
8
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Posted - 2016.01.04 21:36:07 -
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Next patch notes:
- Surprise WiS! Corp office plus minigames chumps! |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
494
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Posted - 2016.01.04 22:10:24 -
[1449] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Kuronaga wrote:Problem with starting small is one side of the fence criticizes them for using it as an excuse to drag out development and get nothing done, and on the other side you get people whining that the small thing "adds nothing to gameplay" and "takes away from spaceship development".
So the only way both sides are content is if CCP suddenly and magically releases a bunch of "meaningful content" all at once so it cant get in the way of anything and doesn't feel like a slow bleedout.... which is obviously impossible.
I mean they might be able to pull something like that off with a really big additional dev team, but seeing as how we've got them working on throwaway VR fads that doesn't seem to be the reality right now. Errr ... no. When CCP tells them "We start small" then people will accept that "they start small".
And then immediately get shelved afterwards, thereby staying small.
Pretty sure most of us have been around the block a few times by now.
What big project by CCP has ever reached its planned, climactic conclusion? In the history of ever? |
Scipio Artelius
The Vendunari
End of Life
42843
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Posted - 2016.01.04 22:26:24 -
[1450] - Quote
Kuronaga wrote:What big project by CCP has ever reached its planned, climactic conclusion? In the history of ever?
I guess the good thing about Eve as a whole is there is no major climatic conclusion.
It's been in continuous development for more than 15 years now and playable for 13 of those.
Lot's of smaller projects along the way in the overall big project that is Eve, but it's hard to look past the game itself as a major success for CCP.
Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2464
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Posted - 2016.01.05 00:13:23 -
[1451] - Quote
Uh-huh. 
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Scitor Nantom
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
8
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Posted - 2016.01.05 05:00:37 -
[1452] - Quote
Erica Dusette wrote:You and your files spying mastery. Please never change. Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:everyone's hopping on the train outright and it's very strange  Well, maybe not everyone, but yeah isn't it beautiful. I think EVE's sociology regarding this topic has shifted dramatically over the past two years. There are still some die hard haters, but by and large much of the stigma attatched to things avatar-related has gone. Things are being fed to us slowly and gently, and it's evolving naturally as a result of growing interest. These days it's become okay to enjoy avatars a bit, whereas three years ago you'd be driven from the forums with torches and pitchforks for even mentioning it.
I did mention it on a podcast where I was the guest once, that we want it back (this was right after the Jira riots, etc) :) I never feared the pitchforks back then, I just liked the idea of being able to go "dry walk" somewhere. And look, now there's Star Citizen and many other space based games being developed that will allow all of it. In ship, out of ship, in other vehicles, etc.
I'm hoping to see healthy competition among all of the space games. Wow I hardly speak Out of Character.. *goes back to the mysterious mists of roleplaying* |
Scitor Nantom
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
8
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Posted - 2016.01.05 05:04:43 -
[1453] - Quote
Wow just noticed this was a topic going all year, and so much great discussion :D |
Candi LeMew
Isogen 5
38669
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Posted - 2016.01.05 06:05:49 -
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Scitor Nantom wrote:Wow I hardly speak Out of Character.. *goes back to the mysterious mists of roleplaying*
Boss has that effect on people sometimes.
Usually the opposite happens though.
Anyway, The Banana supports walking in stations. Or moonwalking in my case.
n-â fruít-¦-âwl lík-ö h-âm-ö =ƒìî
Remember... in Anoikis Bob Is Always Watching...
"I been kicked out of better homes than this" - Rick James
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Ginnie
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
61
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Posted - 2016.01.05 17:26:58 -
[1455] - Quote
I remember the riots in Amarr...it was glorious
All that we see or seem is but a dream within a dream. -Edgar Allan Poe
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2464
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Posted - 2016.01.05 17:53:48 -
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Ginnie wrote:I remember the riots in Amarr...it was glorious There was disappointment about WiS at the time but the riots were about "Greed is good" and all the gold Scorpion / ammo ideas.
Despite graphics cards melting left and right, the riots weren't even about that.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
There are other ways to fix Null Sec stagnation and Fozzie SOV is the wrong approach.
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Cahir Ceallach
The Raza.
RUCA Emperor
27
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Posted - 2016.01.05 18:58:58 -
[1457] - Quote
I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :( |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat
FETID
2237
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Posted - 2016.01.05 19:17:48 -
[1458] - Quote
Cahir Ceallach wrote:I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :(
even though they have already said they do not intend to be looking at it again you are still here?
Drinking rum before 10am makes you a pirate, not an alcoholic | Angel Cartel | Serpentis |
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30400
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Posted - 2016.01.05 19:41:37 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Cahir Ceallach wrote:I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :( even though they have already said they do not intend to be looking at it again you are still here?
Our sexyness keeps him hooked. ;)
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
Gravemind GER
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
17
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Posted - 2016.01.05 22:35:49 -
[1460] - Quote
ShahFluffers wrote:
- A DEV leaked an internal newsletter where various other DEVs were discussing "gold ammo" type items (see: items you paid for via microtransactions that would give you tangible boosts in the game).
- Players revolted.
------ The forums were filled with flames and rage and ranting.
------ A "substantial" amount of players threatened to unsubscribe (I think it was 10% of the total playerbase)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-5u5JdaBaY
His name was John Turbefield!
http://www.blogcdn.com/massively.joystiq.com/media/2012/01/eveeeee.jpg |
Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
Bleeding Sun Conglomerate
500
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Posted - 2016.01.05 23:15:25 -
[1461] - Quote
Lan Wang wrote:Cahir Ceallach wrote:I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :( even though they have already said they do not intend to be looking at it again you are still here?
CCP's intentions are rarely backed up with hard results. He may be hoping the same applies as a reverse benefit. |
Arya Ikahrus
12
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Posted - 2016.01.06 00:17:48 -
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The competitors are offering some alluring stuff that CCP will eventually have to take notice of, but they aren't offering the main key. This is a world, they're making games. |
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
139
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Posted - 2016.01.06 03:11:50 -
[1463] - Quote
Arya Ikahrus wrote:The competitors are offering some alluring stuff that CCP will eventually have to take notice of, but they aren't offering the main key. This is a world, they're making games.
Part of why even though I pledged for Star Citizen and look forward to playing it with my girlfriend, when I want a world to play in I'll still be coming to EVE Online.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Nana Skalski
Poseidaon
2030
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Posted - 2016.01.06 07:54:05 -
[1464] - Quote
The world.
A long term vision. What is there after the gates and supposed new colonization? What will be the vision with new producer? CCP will make only SKINs and dresses? I dont think so, and i dont think CCP Seagull will be forever a producer for CCP. Already new vision must be developed, that comes after this one in realization.
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ GòáGò¼GòªGò¼Gòú - my sandcastle
( -á° -ƒ-û -í°)/ <=X - my yacht
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Cahir Ceallach
The Raza.
RUCA Emperor
27
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Posted - 2016.01.06 14:51:44 -
[1465] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Cahir Ceallach wrote:I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :( even though they have already said they do not intend to be looking at it again you are still here? Our sexyness keeps him hooked. ;)
Im be in here because for now in MMO, EVE is only mature MMO.
But i still wait to play space poker in station lose and win itemes and isk ;) |
Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30484
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Posted - 2016.01.06 14:53:04 -
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Cahir Ceallach wrote:Solecist Project wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Cahir Ceallach wrote:I join EVE becasue i watch trailer Incarna "ooo walking in station i need to play this" but its 5 years and i wait and wait... :( even though they have already said they do not intend to be looking at it again you are still here? Our sexyness keeps him hooked. ;) Im be in here because for now in MMO, EVE is only mature MMO. But i still wait to play space poker in station lose and win itemes and isk ;)
Technically speaking it's the *only* MMO.
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
140
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Posted - 2016.01.06 15:15:48 -
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Nana Skalski wrote:The world.
A long term vision. What is there after the gates and supposed new colonization? What will be the vision with new producer? CCP will make only SKINs and dresses? I dont think so, and i dont think CCP Seagull will be forever a producer for CCP. Already new vision must be developed, that comes after this one in realization.
So we haven't even reached the current Future Vision and you're already suggesting we need to be looking beyond it?
I mean, just as an example, Elite: Dangerous just came out with landing on planets with no atmosphere. Most of that gameplay involves just flying around over the surface or driving your rover to look for resources.
One need only go to Twitch to watch people doing that and enjoying themselves for hours. And that's only the first release of landing functionality.
I don't think finding new solar systems and building gates out to them to colonize them is in any danger of getting boring soon after release.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30496
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Posted - 2016.01.06 15:30:47 -
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MidnightWyvern wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:The world.
A long term vision. What is there after the gates and supposed new colonization? What will be the vision with new producer? CCP will make only SKINs and dresses? I dont think so, and i dont think CCP Seagull will be forever a producer for CCP. Already new vision must be developed, that comes after this one in realization. So we haven't even reached the current Future Vision and you're already suggesting we need to be looking beyond it? I mean, just as an example, Elite: Dangerous just came out with landing on planets with no atmosphere. Most of that gameplay involves just flying around over the surface or driving your rover to look for resources. One need only go to Twitch to watch people doing that and enjoying themselves for hours. And that's only the first release of landing functionality. I don't think finding new solar systems and building gates out to them to colonize them is in any danger of getting boring soon after release.
In EVE, someone will come and blow that rover away, declaring ...
THIS IS MY HOUSE!!!!!
E:D is a game, while EVE is a world.
(I need to bio that eventually... thanks Nana, I think)
*noms cake*
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
|
MidnightWyvern
Night Theifs
140
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Posted - 2016.01.06 18:00:19 -
[1469] - Quote
Solecist Project wrote:MidnightWyvern wrote:Nana Skalski wrote:The world.
A long term vision. What is there after the gates and supposed new colonization? What will be the vision with new producer? CCP will make only SKINs and dresses? I dont think so, and i dont think CCP Seagull will be forever a producer for CCP. Already new vision must be developed, that comes after this one in realization. So we haven't even reached the current Future Vision and you're already suggesting we need to be looking beyond it? I mean, just as an example, Elite: Dangerous just came out with landing on planets with no atmosphere. Most of that gameplay involves just flying around over the surface or driving your rover to look for resources. One need only go to Twitch to watch people doing that and enjoying themselves for hours. And that's only the first release of landing functionality. I don't think finding new solar systems and building gates out to them to colonize them is in any danger of getting boring soon after release. In EVE, someone will come and blow that rover away, declaring ... THIS IS MY HOUSE!!!!! E:D is a game, while EVE is a world. (I need to bio that eventually... thanks Nana, I think) *noms cake*
That's part of my point, Solecist.
If a "game" can occupy people to that extent, imagine how long it'll take for people to grow tired of exploring a completely unknown world and building empires in entirely new systems.
I mean, if it's even possible to grow tired of that.
_#portDust514
Don't let interactions like this become only a memory.
(EVE alt> Sarayu Wyvern. Dust 514 alt> Mobius Wyvern.)
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Solecist Project
The Scope
Gallente Federation
30527
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Posted - 2016.01.06 19:23:14 -
[1470] - Quote
Not sure I follow... you can't grow empires playing solo ...
RoAnnon wrote:
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
I just scanned for sites and I found a C3
The fleet is now forming, FC wants T3s
O Bob, wonGÇÖt you buy a new Svipul for me
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