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Friendship
Kittens
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Posted - 2015.03.14 02:17:13 -
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Ishtars kill Friendship :( |
Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
627
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Posted - 2015.03.14 06:53:34 -
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Aplysia Vejun wrote:Uh, what fail-fits. (the armor ones, cannot tell about the shield-one).
Not even the most crucial thing installed: t2 cloak
do you only roam in big groups??
edit: AND you need skills at V to use most of these fits
You're a moron. Stawman useless arguments.
Guessing you're a troll and I'm just feeding you.
Why is it necessary to fit a cloak? Are you some kind of *****? |
Trajan Unknown
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
2
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Posted - 2015.03.14 20:27:28 -
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Best idea I-¦ve read in this thread is to remove sentries from everything below BCs hulls. Sentries are one of the most boring things I have ever seen in any "video game" and it-¦s more than two centuries ago when I played my first one. Drones are ok but sentries are simply boring as **** besides all their other "game killer" abilities. |
James Zimmer
Furtherance.
15
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Posted - 2015.03.16 18:00:01 -
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Many have said it, and I'll say it as well: A set of 5 sentries, bonused or not, is battleship class firepower, and very good battleship class firepower at that. If any sub-battleship should be able to carry 5 sentries, it should be an attack battlecruiser, not a HAC. However, I understand that I make a rather dramatic proposal there, and it's unlikely to be implemented, so how about this: Give the Ishtar a 175m3 drone bay (and nerf the VNI down to 150 m3). You get one set of sentries, and a set of mediums or a couple sets of lights. That way, you have to make meaningful choices about what drones you should bring, rather than bringing all of them and swapping them out like ammo types. In addition, it will make sentry killing a potentially viable option, as that DPS cannot be immediately replaced. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
939
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Posted - 2015.03.18 02:33:26 -
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Not enough. Reduce it's sentry bonuses to a nice, round number, like zero. |
Kitty Bear
Disturbed Friends Of Diazepam
Disturbed Acquaintance
1434
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Posted - 2015.03.18 09:10:39 -
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Alexhandr Shkarov wrote:CCP Rise wrote:
New bonus: Gallente Cruiser bonuses (per skill level):
10% bonus to Light, Medium and Heavy Drone hitpoints and damage
5% bonus to Sentry Drone hitpoints and damage
I'd much rather see the 5% to sentry bonuses get adjusted to something else, perhaps a bonus to heavy drone microwarpdrive speed? Makes them a little more aggressive in engaging and switching?
this works really well too.
not sure that a 5% speed bonus would be sufficient however, so there's a small range of options that could be used
20% would make heavy drones nicely mobile and enable much better re-targeting capabilities. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
946
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Posted - 2015.03.18 12:10:34 -
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Soldarius wrote:http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/zbg9Bbn-1024x702.png Sentry drones are so well balanced. 
Holy crap. I knew Artillery and ACs were bad, but goddamn dude, when you put it like that... |
Soldarius
Kosher Nostra
The 99 Percent
1180
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Posted - 2015.03.18 14:10:28 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Soldarius wrote:http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/zbg9Bbn-1024x702.png Sentry drones are so well balanced. Holy crap. I knew Artillery and ACs were bad, but goddamn dude, when you put it like that...
dps graph was shamelessly stolen from someone else. So I can't take credit for it. But it is a very good graph.
Also, this is a friendly reminder that arty has crappy dps but great alpha. ACs need a buff. They are literally terrible.
http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY
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Kagura Nikon
Mentally Assured Destruction
The Pursuit of Happiness
2024
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Posted - 2015.03.18 15:14:39 -
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Soldarius wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Soldarius wrote:http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/zbg9Bbn-1024x702.png Sentry drones are so well balanced. Holy crap. I knew Artillery and ACs were bad, but goddamn dude, when you put it like that... dps graph was shamelessly stolen from someone else. So I can't take credit for it. But it is a very good graph. Also, this is a friendly reminder that arty has crappy dps but great alpha. ACs need a buff. They are literally terrible.
AC became useless when CCP both nerfed track enhancer and buffed blasters damage AND falloff.
The result is that there is no engagement envelope where AC are better than Blasters that is not already far enough that would be better to use rails.
So AC have not a SINGLE METER of engagement envelope where they are a good option.
"If brute force does not solve your problem.... then you are surely not using enough!"
For the rest hire PoH |
Recruitment
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.03.18 16:19:59 -
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Soldarius wrote:Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Soldarius wrote:http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/zbg9Bbn-1024x702.png Sentry drones are so well balanced. Holy crap. I knew Artillery and ACs were bad, but goddamn dude, when you put it like that... dps graph was shamelessly stolen from someone else. So I can't take credit for it. But it is a very good graph.
And very accurate.
REMOVE SENTRIES FROM THE ISHTAR
Cruiser-sized hull with T2 resists using BATTLESHIP-sized weapons systems.
Good job, CCP.
Good job.
Ishtars Online |
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Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
628
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Posted - 2015.03.18 18:06:31 -
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Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it. |
Gallowmere Rorschach
Enlightened Industries
Goonswarm Federation
952
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Posted - 2015.03.19 01:57:11 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it.
I think that they already knew the answers that they were going to get. They've given the Ishtar some lovetaps over the last year, but are still hesitant to give it the pimphand treatment that it really needs, for some reason. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
385
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Posted - 2015.03.19 02:17:41 -
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Corben Arctus wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:This will achieve the goal of making Ishtars less useful, but unfortunately does nothing to make other ships useful. Range and speed are overpowered in EVE, and only doctrines with damage projection and mobility work.
In other words, people will just use the next platform that outranges others while remaining mobile, leaving whole shipclasses gathering dust in hangars.
This.
Yep, there will always be one that is more powerful than others.
Enough crying and they get nerfed.
They have been crying about sentries and drones for the past couple of years.
Remove them all from the game. FIXT |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
385
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Posted - 2015.03.19 02:42:13 -
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Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it.
Yea, and it's all to dry the tears.
If the ishtar is so OP, then why don't these people simply fly the ishtar?
It isn't that the ishtar is op. IT IS the players that cry are BAD. They will always be bad.
Nerfing another ship / module / drone for them won't make them good.
Let's see what bat country cries about next. |
Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
21
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Posted - 2015.03.19 05:32:53 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it. If the ishtar is so OP, then why don't these people simply fly the ishtar? It isn't that the ishtar is op. IT IS the players that cry are BAD. They will always be bad.
You're not very mature now, are you? 
There are other ships people have trained for, because, you know, they like the ships/types, and like having fun in game.
But your point is also invalid, in that other countless people simply trained for the ishtard because it became the current meta doctrine.
Train for an ishtard or get kicked from your alliance/corp. |
Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
631
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Posted - 2015.03.19 06:02:49 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it. If the ishtar is so OP, then why don't these people simply fly the ishtar? It isn't that the ishtar is op. IT IS the players that cry are BAD. They will always be bad. You're not very mature now, are you? There are other ships people have trained for, because, you know, they like the ships/types, and like having fun in game. But your point is also invalid, in that other countless people simply trained for the ishtard because it became the current meta doctrine. Train for an ishtard or get kicked from your alliance/corp.
And this nerf will change nothing other than people will bring more ishtars
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Xequecal
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
276
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Posted - 2015.03.19 08:05:02 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Corben Arctus wrote:Aiyshimin wrote:This will achieve the goal of making Ishtars less useful, but unfortunately does nothing to make other ships useful. Range and speed are overpowered in EVE, and only doctrines with damage projection and mobility work.
In other words, people will just use the next platform that outranges others while remaining mobile, leaving whole shipclasses gathering dust in hangars.
This. Yep, there will always be one that is more powerful than others. Enough crying and they get nerfed. They have been crying about sentries and drones for the past couple of years. Remove them all from the game. FIXT
The Ishtar is so overpowered that aside from roles given to ships with specialized, specific bonuses, (tackling, ewar, logistics) it is the best subcap for literally everything in the game. It is the best brawler, best kiter, and best sniper. It can do all three of these on the same fit. Its damage application is unparalleled. Heavy drones from an Ishtar do more DPS than a pulse laser battleship and still have the tracking to hit interceptors. It is also the best PvE ship. It runs 10/10s solo and to beat it in ISK/hr in anoms you need a >1b isk pirate BS.
Unless you're tackling, remote repping, or jamming, there is never a reason to fly any other subcap that costs less than 1b. The Ishtar's existence completely derails all other balance comparisons. No one cares that, say, ACs really suck right now compared to blasters and lasers, because you can just forget about the comparison and fly an Ishtar which does 3x the DPS and application while selecting damage type and using no cap or fitting. The overpoweredness is so ludicrous that you can fly what would appear to be the hardest, direct counter dictated by game mechanics and you will still lose. For example, try to fly Zealots against shield Ishtars using only bouncers. You're shooting directly into their resist hole while they shoot your strongest resist, but you will still lose horribly because the Ishtar is just that much bullshit. They will either outrange you at 130km or just brute force over the resist difference by up close brawling with a weapon system that does triple the damage yours does. |
Spugg Galdon
Nisroc Angels
631
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Posted - 2015.03.19 09:29:16 -
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For a giggle, prevent all Ishtars from undocking/being boarded for an entire month and lets see what happens.
A new meta would develop. Then, after a month, randomly allow Ishtars to undick again and see how quickly we return to Ishtars: Online. |
Arsine Mayhem
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
385
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Posted - 2015.03.19 17:08:19 -
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Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it. If the ishtar is so OP, then why don't these people simply fly the ishtar? It isn't that the ishtar is op. IT IS the players that cry are BAD. They will always be bad. You're not very mature now, are you? There are other ships people have trained for, because, you know, they like the ships/types, and like having fun in game. But your point is also invalid, in that other countless people simply trained for the ishtard because it became the current meta doctrine. Train for an ishtard or get kicked from your alliance/corp.
If by mature you mean lack of logic, intelligence, or general knowledge of how the game works, then I guess I will never be.
Every fleet, corp, alliance has doctrines. You might need to get out of your mining barge occasionally. RVB runs a fleet on saturdays.
Ishtar has been one of the first ships you train into for the past 5+ years. Maybe you think the raven is prettier so you go for that.
This whole thing is nothing more than bad players crying because they are bad. They will always be bad. Hide and watch for what they cry about next. |
Schluffi Schluffelsen
State War Academy
Caldari State
43
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Posted - 2015.03.19 20:13:41 -
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By the way, I just wanted to say thanks to CCP Rise for taking our concerns into consideration and not even answering any of these raised issues. Scylla patch notes are online and everything's going to stay as it is.
Thank you very much, much appreciated! |
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Iroquoiss Pliskin
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
39
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Posted - 2015.03.20 06:08:07 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Iroquoiss Pliskin wrote:Arsine Mayhem wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it. If the ishtar is so OP, then why don't these people simply fly the ishtar? It isn't that the ishtar is op. IT IS the players that cry are BAD. They will always be bad. You're not very mature now, are you? There are other ships people have trained for, because, you know, they like the ships/types, and like having fun in game. But your point is also invalid, in that other countless people simply trained for the ishtard because it became the current meta doctrine. Train for an ishtard or get kicked from your alliance/corp. If by mature you mean lack of logic, intelligence, or general knowledge of how the game works, then I guess I will never be. Every fleet, corp, alliance has doctrines. You might need to get out of your mining barge occasionally. RVB runs a fleet on saturdays. Ishtar has been one of the first ships you train into for the past 5+ years. Maybe you think the raven is prettier so you go for that. This whole thing is nothing more than bad players crying because they are bad. They will always be bad. Hide and watch for what they cry about next.
You're continuing in the same vein.
Too reliant on a broken ship, are we? Don't worry too much, it has happened in the past and it will happen again and again - when balance is neglected, the nerf bat, in the end, strikes so hard that the ship becomes history.
Remember Draeks?
Nanophoons?
Nosdomis?
Me neither. Or at least I try not to.  |
Skia Aumer
Planetary Harvesting and Processing LLC
138
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Posted - 2015.03.20 07:02:15 -
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Schluffi Schluffelsen wrote:By the way, I just wanted to say thanks to CCP Rise for taking our concerns into consideration and not even answering any of these raised issues. Scylla patch notes are online and everything's going to stay as it is.
Thank you very much, much appreciated!
You just have no idea.
They were discussing it internally (tm) and concluded that our concerns are not valid.
After Scylla goes live, Ishtars will be balanced, period. Metrics (tm) will show it.
CSM (tm) also approved it. They always do.
Problem solved, salaries paid. |
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
941
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Posted - 2015.03.20 08:17:32 -
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Arsine Mayhem wrote:Spugg Galdon wrote:Well this thread was a complete and pointless waste of time.
It was announced. It was asked... "What do you think?"
No replies or discussion from a Dev in this thread since it opened.
Scylla patch notes released and the original proposal is what's there.
Seriously? Why did you even bother to open this thread as a discussion. Should of just posted a notification thread and ******* well locked it. Yea, and it's all to dry the tears. If the ishtar is so OP, then why don't these people simply fly the ishtar?
We do.
Everyone does.
And you know what? We're bored ******* shitless with them. They could literally deleted them tomorrow and no tears would be shed. People are THAT sick of them. |
Aplysia Vejun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.03.20 09:07:29 -
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I'm always in lowsec and npc null.
Last time i saw an ishtar is about 3 weeks ago. It was someone doing a 5/10 site.
So no, they arent used everywhere and anytime.
50% of the ships around are tengus. Then 10% the other t3 abd the rest is composed of the other ships, mostly interceptors |
Aplysia Vejun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.03.20 09:13:01 -
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Bah. Stupid smartphone... double post |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
10
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Posted - 2015.03.20 09:37:46 -
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Aplysia Vejun wrote:I'm always in lowsec and npc null.
Last time i saw an ishtar is about 3 weeks ago
That explains things. You wouldn't happen to live in Stain? http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/coalitionsov/Coalitioninfluence.png
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Aplysia Vejun
The Scope
Gallente Federation
15
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Posted - 2015.03.20 09:48:42 -
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Actually no. Im speaking of syndicate and lowregions of solitude, aridin, genesis |
Vertiggo Andumi
State Services
3
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Posted - 2015.03.21 11:50:18 -
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Please forgive me if I missed something... does this mean the Navy Vexor has more sentry dps than Ishtar? |
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
1107
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Posted - 2015.03.21 12:55:12 -
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Vertiggo Andumi wrote:Please forgive me if I missed something... does this mean the Navy Vexor has more sentry dps than Ishtar?
thats what i asked too .. no response 
Tech 3's need to be multi role ships not cruiser hulls with battleship tank and insane resists.
ABC's are clearly T2 in all but name.. remove drone assist mechanic, nerf sentries.
Nerf web strength ..... Make the blaster eagle worth using please.
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Aiyshimin
Fistful of Finns
Triumvirate.
484
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Posted - 2015.03.21 13:03:40 -
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Gallowmere Rorschach wrote:Soldarius wrote:http://evenews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/zbg9Bbn-1024x702.png Sentry drones are so well balanced. Holy crap. I knew Artillery and ACs were bad, but goddamn dude, when you put it like that...
They aren't bad and neither sentries are op when you fit the weapons on the appropriate hulls. The only thing that gets bizarrely out of line are RLML, which outrange and damage most other weapon systems.
Unfitted weapon stats aren't really relevant in balance discussions. |
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