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Jukko Riis
Black Rise Colonial Exploration
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Posted - 2015.03.09 01:20:56 -
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Abstained.
Not my place to tell a neighbor what to do in her own house.
Slavery is illegal in Caldari. Break Caldari law, ally or not, you pay.
BRCE: Mission Statement!
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Claudia Osyn
Limited Existance
1092
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Posted - 2015.03.09 01:21:26 -
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Merdaneth wrote:
If I wanted to change Imperial and Khanid institutions, I would do it in the form of a petition. Petitions reek of Gallente culture: a culture of self-entitlement.
To be honest, their is no other type of entitlement, any right or privilege you have, you gave to yourself.
The lack of money is the root of all evil.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
6382
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Posted - 2015.03.09 06:06:38 -
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If we can't buy them how else can we free them?
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Elmund Egivand
Federal Defense Union Gallente Federation
352
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Posted - 2015.03.09 06:24:02 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If we can't buy them how else can we free them?
By making slave-owning economically unsustainable.
- Would very much love to cobble anyone who insinuates that I am a loyalist in the head with a 125mm calibre Fusion round.
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Reginald Sakakibara
Death By Design Did he say Jump
15
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Posted - 2015.03.09 07:31:07 -
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I, Lord Reginald Sakakibara, by the grace of God and as a humble servant of Her Majesty's government, hereby affix my signature to this petition on the 9th of March, YC 117. |
Red Khalmer
Minmatar Secret Service Ushra'Khan
34
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Posted - 2015.03.09 11:57:49 -
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I will never sign such a treaty and I encourage any people supporting the matari to do the same.
This "proposal" is not Because The Amarr are merciful to the slaves, no. Its Their greed to monopolize the Slave market for their own gain. The ignorant PIE speaks such nice words about how they will make it so the Blood cults wont aquire slaves from the market. But we all know that some of the Blood fanatics work with the IC14 and most likely have access to slaves anyway. Either through SCC like now or through the empire. If they would really care about the well being of the slaves they would have been freed a long time ago. But their wicked lies will continue aslong as we dont do anything about it.
Freedom to the Matari people! Death to all slavers and betrayers! |
Shikhee
Black Dog Shady Missionaries
0
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:23:40 -
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Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:If we can't buy them how else can we free them?
Buying any product ensures that suppliers of that product on the market have reason to continue supplying said product. If you want to end slavery, buying slaves is arguably one of the worst things you could do.
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Gwen Ikiryo
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
558
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:49:41 -
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By creating a space in the open market of the SCC for slave trading, CONCORD sends the message to the cluster that it is the norm, rather then the exception - When in fact it is outlawed in all of the major powers save for one. Slavery is frowned upon by the majority of civilized society, and this should be reflected in the international market.
For these reasons, as well as the humanitarian concerns, I will sign this petition - And say it should go further and ask for CONCORD to abolish recognition of human trafficking entirely. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4533
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Posted - 2015.03.09 12:55:18 -
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Red Khalmer wrote:I will never sign such a treaty and I encourage any people supporting the matari to do the same.
This "proposal" is not Because The Amarr are merciful to the slaves, no. Its Their greed to monopolize the Slave market for their own gain. The ignorant PIE speaks such nice words about how they will make it so the Blood cults wont aquire slaves from the market. But we all know that some of the Blood fanatics work with the IC14 and most likely have access to slaves anyway. Either through SCC like now or through the empire. If they would really care about the well being of the slaves they would have been freed a long time ago. But their wicked lies will continue aslong as we dont do anything about it.
Freedom to the Matari people! Death to all slavers and betrayers! Out of interest...
You do realise this has nothing to do with slavery, per se? This is to do with the presence of slaves, often an illegal commodity, on the SCC market both within and outside of Amarr. Within the Empire, Holders are going to continue to do what they do and it's highly unlikely that the likes of us will affect them. Separate discussion.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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U'tah Arareb
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
26
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:03:27 -
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More to the point it has to do with certain Agencies within the Empire making slaves (by being a source) available to any Tom, Dicktrus, and Harridious. This is in direct contradiction to Amarrian law and places the slaves themselves in peril. This is strictly an internal affair and not meant to alter your market shrine in the least. |
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Aelisha
Achura-Waschi Exchange Monyusaiya Industry Trade Group
478
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Posted - 2015.03.09 15:18:30 -
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Signed.
I may not be an Imperial citizen but I can respect their call that the trade be regulated and the market in slaves segregated such that only legitimate holders may trade in them.
If the Kingdom has a problem with the Amarrian defined petition in this thread, I urge them to take their cases to CONCORD. Either way this petition should see the inside of a CONCORD debate chamber, in my opinion.
As for Sansha, Sabik, Serpentis or Angel crocodile tears about their source of easy human bodies to feed into their various interests, I hope you drown in them. I'm sure the SCC is the least effective means of procurement non-signatories have at their disposal and think that any kow-towing to non-signatories on the part of the four empires would set a new low for current political affairs.
A potential compromise is a distinction between Imperial Slaves and Slaves, but then I'd ask why a practice (non-imperial slavery) deemed illegal in all of the signatory states, is being allowed to persist.
CEO of the Achura-Waschi Exchange
Intaki Reborn
Independent Capsuleer
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TomHorn
Horn and Brothers Ndrangheta.
230
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Posted - 2015.03.09 17:42:43 -
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Not signed
This petition is useless , pointless, removing slaves from the market will not stop the trade in slaves. Only turn the trade in slaves underground. Making it less regulated and controlled , worsening of conditions for the slaves themselves.
These kind of actions are typical of the liberal elite fascists.
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1375
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Posted - 2015.03.09 18:16:56 -
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TomHorn wrote:Not signed
This petition is useless , pointless, removing slaves from the market will not stop the trade in slaves. Only turn the trade in slaves underground. Making it less regulated and controlled , worsening of conditions for the slaves themselves.
These kind of actions are typical of the liberal elite fascists.
Liberal? This is as conservative a measure as you can get. Of course, one can't expect a Caldari Provist to know anything about Amarr society.
So, here's some information for you:
The slave trade in Amarr has been going on for thousands of years in legal planetside markets, between Holders. These are heavily regulated markets, which have very specific Scripture-defined rules about who can and cannot deal in slaves. These markets are not, and have never needed, the SCC. In case you are not aware, the SCC is not the only market that exists in the cluster. It's just an open capsuleer space market. The slave trade in Amarr does not need the SCC to continue, legally, between our Holders.
During the liberalization and internationalism of our society in the last century, certain elements of our leadership agreed to participate in an extraplanetary CONCORD-created free market known as the SCC. In this unregulated open market, it was possible for people who have no legal right to slaves to acquire them. In this way, it is in fact the SCC that is an illegal market, by Amarrian laws, because it allows unscrupulous elements in Amarr society to bypass the normal regulations and restrictions of our local policies to sell to a wider base of people who have no legal right to own slaves.
This does not turn the trade underground. It returns it to local Amarrian planetside markets, under traditional regulations and policies. That makes it a conservative proposal, not a liberal one. Free market economies, of which the SCC is, is economic liberalism. If you know nothing about politics, don't comment on politics.
It's obvious you haven't read anything that was actually posted, because then you would know that this is not an abolitionist proposal and has no intent on stopping the trade. The intent of this, is to move the trade back to local markets, between certified Holders, under the traditions and regulations that have governed the slave trade in Amarr society for thousands of years.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2015.03.09 19:20:37 -
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Such petitions should be made by Trade Registry and MIO, not pushed by a bunch of soulless from every corner of New Eden on public venues with pirate loyalists in their midst.
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Eran Mintor
Furtherance.
858
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:05:44 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Such petitions should be made by Trade Registry and MIO, not pushed by a bunch of soulless from every corner of New Eden on public venues with pirate loyalists in their midst.
Until the Trade Registry, MIO, and other Amarr corporations and organizations do that, this is the best you will get and it certainly is better than nothing.
I believe the hope is that with enough voices, this will be carried onto organizations more powerful than the "soulless".
-Eran |
Lyn Farel
Kitzless
908
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:21:28 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:TomHorn wrote:Not signed
This petition is useless , pointless, removing slaves from the market will not stop the trade in slaves. Only turn the trade in slaves underground. Making it less regulated and controlled , worsening of conditions for the slaves themselves.
These kind of actions are typical of the liberal elite fascists. Liberal? This is as conservative a measure as you can get. Some information: The slave trade in Amarr has been going on for thousands of years in legal planetside markets, between Holders. These are heavily regulated markets, which have very specific Scripture-defined rules about who can and cannot deal in slaves. These markets are not, and have never needed, the SCC. During the liberalization and internationalism of our society in the last century, certain elements of our leadership agreed to participate in an extraplanetary CONCORD-created free market known as the SCC. In this unregulated open market, it was possible for people who have no legal right to slaves to acquire them. In this way, it is in fact the SCC that is an illegal market, by Amarrian laws, because it allows unscrupulous elements in Amarr society to bypass the normal regulations and restrictions of our local policies to sell to a wider base of people who have no legal or spiritual right to own slaves. This proposal does not turn the trade underground. It returns it to local Amarrian planetside markets, under traditional regulations and policies. That makes it a conservative proposal, not a liberal one. Free market economies, of which the SCC is, is economic liberalism. Conservatism is preserving traditional values and systems. The divine right of Holders to be the sole legal owners of slaves is a traditional value, and our local planetside slave markets a traditional system. If you had read what was posted, then you would know that this is not an abolitionist proposal and has no intent on stopping the trade. The intent of this, is to move the trade back to local markets, between certified Holders, under the traditions and regulations that have governed the slave trade in Amarr society for thousands of years.
While I agree, it is still true that removing the possibility for shady elements and slavers of the Amarr Empire to go through the SCC for their sales, will inevitably re route them to underground markets.
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
166
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Posted - 2015.03.09 20:21:40 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Such petitions should be made by Trade Registry and MIO, not pushed by a bunch of soulless from every corner of New Eden on public venues with pirate loyalists in their midst.
I believe Miss Kernher said it best earlier in this thread. This isn't about petitioning CONCORD, this is the faithful pleading to our betters to change the methods certain elements within the Empire that are selling slaves on the open SCC market against the will of God and the Scriptures. The best method I can see to enact change isn't going through the painful bureaucracy of the Trade Registry, it's appealing to the Holders and above them, the Heirs, to put this right.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:01:37 -
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Eran Mintor wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Such petitions should be made by Trade Registry and MIO, not pushed by a bunch of soulless from every corner of New Eden on public venues with pirate loyalists in their midst.
Until the Trade Registry, MIO, and other Amarr corporations and organizations do that, this is the best you will get and it certainly is better than nothing. I believe the hope is that with enough voices, this will be carried onto organizations more powerful than the "soulless". -Eran
Sorry but no, capsuleers shouldn't have a say in Imperial policies, especially foreigners. If this petishion was directed at the SCC and CONCORD I would be for it, but it's not.
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Utari Onzo
13. Enigma Project
168
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:10:00 -
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Ashlar Vellum wrote:Eran Mintor wrote:Ashlar Vellum wrote:Such petitions should be made by Trade Registry and MIO, not pushed by a bunch of soulless from every corner of New Eden on public venues with pirate loyalists in their midst.
Until the Trade Registry, MIO, and other Amarr corporations and organizations do that, this is the best you will get and it certainly is better than nothing. I believe the hope is that with enough voices, this will be carried onto organizations more powerful than the "soulless". -Eran Sorry but no, capsuleers shouldn't have a say in Imperial policies, especially foreigners. If this petishion was directed at the SCC and CONCORD I would be for it, but it's not.
This isn't about changing Imperial Policy, the scriptures and Imperial laws are quite clear that only Holders should control the trade of slaves. This is about certain elements of the Empire trading these slaves on the open market to any buyer on the SCC, holder or no. The SCC is not the party to blame as it is by its nature a free market, it is the organisations supplying slaves that are the issue.
New York, Paris, Peckham, Jita
13. is recruiting
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1377
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:10:08 -
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What else can we do, Mr. Vellum?
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Jade Blackwind
Alexylva Paradox Low-Class
287
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Posted - 2015.03.09 21:53:14 -
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Signed!
Oh wait
hehe
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Ashlar Vellum
24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire
156
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Posted - 2015.03.09 22:05:54 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:What else can we do, Mr. Vellum? Petition SCC and CONCORD to change their policies for capsuleers in the Empire controlled regions, not the Imperial ones to chage theirs. Amarr Empire has appropriate organizations for solving such matters and it should be handled by them alone without capsuleers meddling in their business.
Also, what you and yours were doing for so long and keep up the hunt.
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Siddhar Gangari
Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan
13
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Posted - 2015.03.10 14:46:21 -
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This petition is without claws. The Ammar will never restrict it's peoples' access to slaves; their frail civilization would slowly avalanche into total collapse. |
Pieter Tuulinen
Pyre Falcon Defence and Security
4534
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Posted - 2015.03.10 15:12:23 -
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Siddhar Gangari wrote:This petition is without claws. The Ammar will never restrict it's peoples' access to slaves; their frail civilization would slowly avalanche into total collapse. Try developing your reading comprehension. This petition is to cease the sale of slaves on the SCC. It has nothing to do with the Amarr at all - Concord would make the decision and the SCC would enforce it through the simple step.of delisting the commodities in question.
"You let one of them go, but that's nothing new is it? Every now and then a little victim is allowed to escape; because she smiled, because he's got freckles, because they begged. And that's how you live with yourself. That's how you slaughter millions."
"Only a killer would know that..."
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Samira Kernher
Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
1378
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Posted - 2015.03.10 15:54:51 -
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Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Siddhar Gangari wrote:This petition is without claws. The Ammar will never restrict it's peoples' access to slaves; their frail civilization would slowly avalanche into total collapse. Try developing your reading comprehension. This petition is to cease the sale of slaves on the SCC. It has nothing to do with the Amarr at all - Concord would make the decision and the SCC would enforce it through the simple step.of delisting the commodities in question.
No, Pieter, it's not that.
It's to get Amarr authorities to make organizations like the Civic Court and Ammatar Consulate remove their standard sell orders from the SCC, and return to conducting their trade of slaves to local planetside markets only.
To Mr. Gangari: Restricting sale to just Holders was how we did it for thousands of years. We never collapsed then.
"Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away."
-- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
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Vaako Omaristos
Sentatus Populusque Romanus
10
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:35:19 -
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Signed.
I traded a lot of slaves on the market simply for cannon fodder when boarding enemy ships or the more intelligent ones as repair crews. i have since realised that by hiring true amarrian marines for this purpose my financial losses have decreased dramatically. |
Sarasvazhi
Pator Tech School Minmatar Republic
13
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Posted - 2015.03.10 16:41:49 -
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Restricting the human trade to planet side markets would contain an atrocity to the worlds of the filth perpetrating it, further distort the balance between capital and labor in Amarrian financial markets, and deny that Empire's ruling elite access to the ISK currency for one of its most despicable "assets." That sounds too good to be true.
On the other hand, this petition is an opportunity to reaffirm the validity of human trade. Is that the catch? |
Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.03.10 17:00:10 -
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Samira Kernher wrote:Pieter Tuulinen wrote:Siddhar Gangari wrote:This petition is without claws. The Ammar will never restrict it's peoples' access to slaves; their frail civilization would slowly avalanche into total collapse. Try developing your reading comprehension. This petition is to cease the sale of slaves on the SCC. It has nothing to do with the Amarr at all - Concord would make the decision and the SCC would enforce it through the simple step.of delisting the commodities in question. No, Pieter, it's not that. It's to get Amarr authorities to make organizations like the Civic Court and Ammatar Consulate remove their standard sell orders from the SCC, and return to conducting their trade of slaves to local planetside markets only. Samira is correct. This is in relation to the Greater Amarrian organizations. I personally would not be upset if all slaves were removed from the SCC market, but that is not what this is about. |
Barsam Akhtar
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
0
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:16:19 -
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I shall add my signature to this noble cause.
The relationship between Holder and Slave is a holy covenant with God: the slave offers their blood and toil to God's greater glory, and the holder guides the spiritual maturation of the slave as a parent would a child until the slave is ready to take their place among God's own.
The selling of slaves on the open market is an open mockery of that holy covenant and drives us one step farther away from truly reclaiming all the peoples of humanity under God's one true rule. |
Alizebeth Amalath
Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire
20
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Posted - 2015.03.10 18:27:46 -
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Barsam Akhtar wrote:I shall add my signature to this noble cause.
The relationship between Holder and Slave is a holy covenant with God: the slave offers their blood and toil to God's greater glory . . . Phrasing! |
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