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Jvpiter Jovelike 3576	Posted - 2015.05.08 16:48:11 - [241] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: Jvpiter wrote: Explain to me again what this petition is about, then. To keep them away from people like you. I have slaves. They pack themselves into every ship I fly and they are expendable and replaceable. You seem to be under the impression that the Amarr have some unique divine mandate for oppressing people. Power gives us that mandate. There is nothing holy or cultural about it. The free market owes nothing to the idea of upholding Amarr cultural restrictions. The free market belongs to no single Empire, and it would be a toxic precedent to bend to some poorly defined, arbitrary social moray that only the vocal elements from a single faction care about. e: fixed some of my sentences Call me Joe.
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 356	Posted - 2015.05.08 16:58:17 - [242] - Quote Jvpiter wrote: Samira Kernher wrote: Jvpiter wrote: Explain to me again what this petition is about, then. To keep them away from people like you. I have slaves. They pack themselves into every ship I fly and they are expendable and replaceable. You seem to be under the impression that the Amarr have some unique divine mandate for oppressing people. Power gives us that mandate. There is nothing holy or cultural about it. The free market owes nothing to the idea of upholding Amarr cultural restrictions. The free market belongs to no single Empire, and it would be a toxic precedent to bend to some poorly defined, arbitrary social moray that only the vocal elements from a single faction care about. e: fixed some of my sentences Annnnnnnd, red-listed. I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Jvpiter Jovelike 3576	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:02:31 - [243] - Quote Tyrel Toov wrote: Annnnnnnd, red-listed. The feeling is not mutual. Call me Joe.
Lulu Lunette Lunette Pathfinders 2	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:15:52 - [244] - Quote Signed. Free my Vherokior and Minmatar brothers and sisters!!
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1490	Posted - 2015.05.08 17:55:44 - [245] - Quote Lulu Lunette wrote: Signed. Free my Vherokior and Minmatar brothers and sisters!! Samira Kernher wrote: This measure is not about abolition. It is only about upholding traditional restrictions on who is permitted to own slaves: Holders and Holders alone. If you are looking to end slavery, then this is not the place for it. "Embrace those who would learn, defeat those who would make mockery of God's way. Through the penance of deeds, the sins of forefathers may eventually be washed away." -- His Royal Highness the Heir Yonis Ardishapur
Ashlar Vellum 24th Imperial Crusade Amarr Empire 178	Posted - 2015.05.09 20:41:52 - [246] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: How dare you accuse this of being a facade. What undesirable results could possibly arise from going back to the trade restrictions that we maintained without issue before the SCC was spawned? What was wrong with the original trading laws, like the Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement? Under those policies, trade goods were strictly controlled and only Holders and licensed representatives were allowed to engage in business with foreign traders. Those policies preserved our cultural values, they upheld our religious principles. The liberal economics of the last few decades have ruined all of that. Maybe Amarr is making more money as a result, but it is the Deceiver's money. Forgive me for actually caring about our traditions. Forgive me for asking that Scriptural laws be held above secular foreign ones. Forgive me for actually caring about what happens to the people I came from. Then I take it, you are content with how this debacle was handled so far? Made in to this public parade for all to see, turned into shame and blame crusade, involving people who shouldn't have a say in such matters. Did you consider how none capsuleers holders and high-ranking ministers, officers etc will see this petition? Do you want to see unrest and turmoil in your own home? And what if your petition will go unanswered, do you even comprehend how you are making MIO and Trade Registry look? Does it not raise any concerns that after "signing" this petition of yours some amarr capsuleers were erased from the face of universe? If you truly care about traditions and the Empire, then don't be so naive and shortsighted. And please don't compare your "thing" with Gallente-Amarr Free Trade Agreement; it was made internally, by the right people, without outsiders pushing for their agenda.
Cakzad Arcashiri Arcashiri Family 114	Posted - 2015.05.09 21:13:42 - [247] - Quote I will make sure to address this matter at the P.P.C.
Pius Pareka Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 9	Posted - 2015.05.10 01:13:00 - [248] - Quote As a new capsuleer who earns a relatively lucrative source of stable income transporting slaves purchased via the SCC market I can not support this petition. I would ask how those in opposition propose that the transport of slaves be accomplished without the market acting as intermediary between capsuleer transports and holders through out imperial and Khanid controlled space.
Anuri Suaraj Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2015.05.17 15:01:15 - [249] - Quote Signed. Pius Pareka wrote: As a new capsuleer who earns a relatively lucrative source of stable income transporting slaves purchased via the SCC market I can not support this petition. I would ask how those in opposition propose that the transport of slaves be accomplished without the market acting as intermediary between capsuleer transports and holders through out imperial and Khanid controlled space. As a new capsuleer, I have to say that I detest other new capsuleers that are unable to find lucrative sources of income that do no include unnecessary transport and unauthorized resale of slaves. The Empire lives and breathes by a very specific set of rules, and opposing those rules is as futile as opposing God's will.
Jili Tonari Native Freshfood Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2015.05.17 18:11:13 - [250] - Quote Cakzad Arcashiri wrote: I will make sure to address this matter at the P.P.C. #NoAbolitionNoPeace!

Diana Kim State Protectorate Caldari State 1732	Posted - 2015.05.18 11:47:42 - [251] - Quote Shouldn't minmatars rather welcome free slave trade so they can just buy them back? Or they are just puny warmongers, who use cultural difference of the Empire (slavery as cultural institution) to make their excuse to wage war against them?
Tyrel Toov Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 376	Posted - 2015.05.18 15:29:24 - [252] - Quote Diana Kim wrote: Shouldn't minmatars rather welcome free slave trade so they can just buy them back? Or they are just puny warmongers, who use cultural difference of the Empire (slavery as cultural institution) to make their excuse to wage war against them? Something something pot, something something kettle.... I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Kahar Dex Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 130	Posted - 2015.07.16 09:14:56 - [253] - Quote I am still going through my backlogs, but this one was flagged in my urgent pile. This I support wholeheartedly. Signed, His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex Cardinal of Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance His Eminence Cardinal Kahar Dex of the CVA and Imperial Dreams. Follow The Cardinal: @kahardex
Maria Daphiti PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 63	Posted - 2015.07.16 13:47:11 - [254] - Quote Aldrith Shutaq wrote: Signed. Only Holders are legally allowed to own slaves, not any fool with a capsuleer license. Reform this practice at once. What he said! Signed.
Alesius Lerance Varner Industries Shattered Vection 17	Posted - 2015.07.16 22:06:53 - [255] - Quote Signed, strictly for the purposes of ending the institution overall, rather than, I am sorry to say, because of a belief in the rights of the Holders. I know it is unlikely to ever end within the Empire, but taking steps to curtail it outside of Imperial territory is a good start. Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
Anyanka Funk Jacklight Corporation 138	Posted - 2015.07.16 23:30:46 - [256] - Quote As long as the SCC leaves tourists on the market for me to buy and do whatever I want with, I personally could care less about the slave removal.
Genzel Recidivus PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 0	Posted - 2015.07.17 02:05:23 - [257] - Quote Signed.
Alesius Lerance Varner Industries Shattered Vection 18	Posted - 2015.07.17 20:53:02 - [258] - Quote Anyanka Funk wrote: As long as the SCC leaves tourists on the market for me to buy and do whatever I want with, I personally could care less about the slave removal. *Couldn't care less. If you're going to be a manical Cannibal, at least do us the courtesy of keeping your translation software updated and functioning. Family, Corporation, and State, in that order. What else is there worth fighting for?
Anyanka Funk Jacklight Corporation 143	Posted - 2015.07.17 21:33:10 - [259] - Quote Alesius Lerance wrote: Anyanka Funk wrote: As long as the SCC leaves tourists on the market for me to buy and do whatever I want with, I personally could care less about the slave removal. *Couldn't care less. If you're going to be a manical Cannibal, at least do us the courtesy of keeping your translation software updated and functioning. I could care less.
Scherezad Revenent Defence Corperation Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 2385	Posted - 2015.08.13 20:59:01 - [260] - Quote Signed

Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 988	Posted - 2015.08.13 23:19:48 - [261] - Quote Alizebeth Amalath wrote: Barsam Akhtar wrote: I shall add my signature to this noble cause. The relationship between Holder and Slave is a holy covenant with God: the slave offers their blood and toil to God's greater glory . . . Phrasing! Indeed. To say the slave offers something implies they have the option not to.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 988	Posted - 2015.08.13 23:24:41 - [262] - Quote The Leopardess wrote: Oh REALLY? You're going to pull the HERETIC card? I love how everyone and their dog loving grandmother seems to have the authority to dictate what IS and what is not HERESY these days! How about we just pull the 'victim' card? Because you will be. Soon. Authority, as the Empress demonstrated in Sarum Prime, comes from having the biggest number of the biggest guns. And you don't. Squeeze what sadistic joy you can from your station, 'holder'. We are coming.
Arrendis GoonWaffe Goonswarm Federation 990	Posted - 2015.08.14 00:28:06 - [263] - Quote Dailar Toralen wrote: I was wondering when someone was going to catch that. The Intaki are advanced, they will prosper if they are free, make peace, alliances, benefit the galaxy. The Minmatars are primitive creatures, when they were freed all they did was curse this Galaxy to war. Step outside your little sporting event and come to the where we fight real wars and say that, tough guy. You're nothing but a glorified Combat Biker power forward.
The Leopardess Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance 2	Posted - 2015.08.14 10:17:03 - [264] - Quote There's nothing particularily horrible about slavery. If one finds themselves a slave, they should perhaps consider why God is pissed off at them, quite frankly. They've probably been little a**holes.
Sinti Vailatti Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 10	Posted - 2015.08.14 20:22:14 - [265] - Quote Ok, granted I've been out of the loop for a few years. Given my previous status as a slave of the Empire, I would like to just put here the last official statement I remember from the Ministry of Internal Order: "1) It is not illegal for capsuleers to transport slaves as cargo within the Empire. 2) It is not illegal for Holders to place their slaves on the open market within the Empire. 3) The SCC-controlled and maintained interstellar marketplace is considered a legal open market by the Empire due to CONCORD treaties. 4) It is not illegal for individuals of all social standing within the Empire to purchase goods and services off an open market. 5) The SCC does not mandate any restrictions based on social standing on any transactions that occur on its interstellar marketplace. "I can only comment on the base legality of the situation, but am unable to provide commentary on the social, moral, or ethical implications of capsuleers of non-Holder birth who own slaves." -Grand Inquisitor Ohrud Omel. Quoted with all due respects. Apologies if I've missed any official Imperial change since this was written (YC: 115). If you have a problem with Slavery and open markets, take it up with CONCORD. Amarr doesn't hold a monopoly on the market and every other government signed off on this. It should also be noted that slavery is different in Khanid, but the above regulations with the SCC are equally binding.
Samira Kernher Praetorian Auxiliary Force Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2187	Posted - 2015.08.14 20:54:17 - [266] - Quote What is binding is Scripture, and Scripture defines that only Holders have spiritual authority to own slaves. And Amarr does hold the monopoly. No other nation has any right to engage in the practice. "The word of the Empress is the word of God, the will of the Empress is the will of God. Let no man seek to shirk his obligations before God and His chosen representative in this world." -- Datna Jesebel, Principal Clerk of the Theology Council
Claudia Osyn Minmatar Confederate Ushra'Khan 1422	Posted - 2015.08.14 21:16:35 - [267] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: What is binding is Scripture, and Scripture defines that only Holders have spiritual authority to own slaves. And Amarr does hold the monopoly. No other nation has any right to engage in the practice. Only because we are a bit to civilized to want the "right" A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Corraidhin Farsaidh Farsaidh's Freeborn 1548	Posted - 2015.08.14 23:39:31 - [268] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: What is binding is Scripture, and Scripture defines that only Holders have spiritual authority to own slaves. And Amarr does hold the monopoly. No other nation has any right to engage in the practice. Utter bollocks.
Sinjin Mokk Royal Khanid Colonial Exploration 495	Posted - 2015.08.14 23:45:11 - [269] - Quote Samira Kernher wrote: What is binding is Scripture, and Scripture defines that only Holders have spiritual authority to own slaves. And Amarr does hold the monopoly. No other nation has any right to engage in the practice. What is binding Lieutenant, is Scripture as defined by the Theology Council. The Ministry of Internal Order deals with individuals who do not follow the Council's definitions. I do not think it is a very wise move to suggest that you know Scripture better than a Grand Inquisitior. You are also incorrect in that Amarr holds a monopoly on legal slave trade. Khanid is a sovereign signatory on the referenced treaties. I sincerely hope you will take a moment to deeply consider not responding to this thread any further. Dark Amarr: Rumors!
Alizebeth Amalath Sanctus Amarria 114	Posted - 2015.08.15 00:26:33 - [270] - Quote Scripture clearly states that only Holders may own slaves.



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