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Yamaeda
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:35:00 -
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Originally by: Tiuwaz Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs
No, 1400's would still be better, although it would be closer than today.
Tach 4,5x dam mod * 1,25 = 5,625 (45 in total for 8 turrets) 1400 5,75x dam mod *1,05 (suggested change from tux) = 6,0375 (48,3 for 8, 45,3 for 6 on a tempest)
/Y
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Berrik Radhok
GoonFleet GoonSwarm
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:37:00 -
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Whoever was in charge of making the Abbadon is incompetent. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes |
BlackHorizon
Caldari Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:39:00 -
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Originally by: Berrik Radhok Whoever was in charge of making the Abbadon is incompetent.
Agreed.
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prathe
Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:39:00 -
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i dunno if its just me but the new bs's look cool and all but the only ship on my mind is the hurricane
me WANT NOW!!!!!
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Strollers
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Posted - 2006.10.25 01:44:00 -
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Just wanted to say that I am pleased to have some new boats to fly and try new fits out on, I think the Dev's have done a good job. Was hearing too much whining about what everyone wants and started getting a headach.
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Tiuwaz
Minmatar Omacron Militia
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:00:00 -
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Edited by: Tiuwaz on 25/10/2006 02:03:18
Originally by: Yamaeda
Originally by: Tiuwaz Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs
No, 1400's would still be better, although it would be closer than today.
Tach 4,5x dam mod * 1,25 = 5,625 (45 in total for 8 turrets) 1400 5,75x dam mod *1,05 (suggested change from tux) = 6,0375 (48,3 for 8, 45,3 for 6 on a tempest)
/Y
combined with the natural better rof of tachs you will have a much better short term burst dmg tho, already after the 2nd volley aba is ahead
aba can shot roughly 3 volleys in the time a mael would need to fire 2 (27s vs 25,5s)
in a 30 sec fight that would be aba 135 dmg mod vs mael 96,6 dmg mod
this means that the mael would have an advantage in short term dmg for 9 seconds by rougly 7%, after that the aba would rule
Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
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Byzan Zwyth
Caldari
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:45:00 -
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the new caldari ships do stick out and look pretty uber, both will make some ships obsolite.
The mini ships seem oretty average, Gallente ships look pretty good. The noew BC is awesome but does not step on the Brutix's toes.
The amarr ships dont offer anything new, why would you use the New BS over the gedon? More DPS but NO tank at all because of a cap that will run dry twice as fast as the geddon? The new BC = a mini geddon? great... Cant the devs think of something new for amarr? Amarr ships are struggling as they are and the poor amarrians get more of the same.
amarr pilots. Drop pants, bend over and bite something. This may hurt a little... ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective |
Luric Vizjier
The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 02:54:00 -
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I'm personally going to fit Projectile Rigs to my future Abaddon so it can be semi effective.
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paeronsoda
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:19:00 -
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The abaddon is the biggest joke i have ever seen, the geddon already struggles with cap use as do the entire amarr race that use lasers. Why would u use this ship and for what? Has the devs actually tested this ship? its unbelieveable it got onto sisi even.
I guess its more important to give caldari some more dps with assualt missiles cuz the regular missiles are obviously not good enough!?
The harbinger looks decent but with the current state of lasers and omni tanks, the HP-boost =longer fights means more cap use, it aint that great after all either. Amarr just blows and that the devs ignore this is just sad.
Caldari/Gallente here i come! Its what the devs want you to do.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:47:00 -
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CCP:
BC's way to go
BS's... still pretty good. Your certainly gonna make us work for our meals when it comes to good combat fits.
Maybe you wanna take a look at some of the issues you yourselves have commented on.....
Originally by: Tuxford
Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod .
Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets.
Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though.
I'd have to say... you could make it up to us minnies w/ another 10m/s or added to Mstrom's base speed
and seriously... whats the deal w/ the caldari love? Some kinda dev/player fraternization we should know about?
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Jones Maloy
Minmatar
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Posted - 2006.10.25 03:51:00 -
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ammar need .90 cap use multiplier and a 1.05 damage multiplier per level pretty much across the board.
i think multipliers are the way to list stats. add them all together and then multiply by the base stat to get the modified stat. btw, eve item database modifiers are borked.
i'm considering cross-training in ammar so i can really appreciate being minmatar. --- WCS Nerf boycott low-sec |
LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:05:00 -
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May just be me but from the stats I have read and what people have told me the Abaddon is complete junk. Come on a 75m3 drone bay... Don't even get me started on its bonus's the better you are in a BS the worse it is everytime your gun shoots faster you just loose more cap, and alot of good 5% resistances do when you can;t even run the guns how am i ever gonna activate the armor repair???????
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:09:00 -
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now i think is not that right to complain that abaddon adds nothing to amarr if you keep fitting it as an apoc or a geddon...
is obvious that this ship is not an uber geddon...
as said in other posts i think this is mostly a support/fleet ship...
for fleet you don't need reps that much and passive tank is generally the way to go...
and the ship have both passive tank bonus and dps...
for closer range i think the design point more to a midrange ship something to use in 0.0 gatecamps or in small groups with a pair of tacklers...
here an idea... (have not checked if it fit but is just to give an idea :P)
8 megapulse
1 cap booster, 3 tracking comp
2 damage mods, 5 mix of hards/plate
webber, ecm or armor rep drones
20+k armor with good res and
around 1k dps at over 20km
or 700dps at 60km (far outside all close range guns)
it doesn't seem that crap to me and in this support role it will be way better than both apoc and geddom....
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LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:14:00 -
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Won't work i here 2 injectors cant even keep up with the guns.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:20:00 -
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i'm not in sisi so i can't check...
but 8 megapulse and no lar should run for 3-4 mins (and whitout using cap inj)
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LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:21:00 -
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I'd try it as well but the Node is dead in aunenen
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LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:24:00 -
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Ok now the game has frozen in the character log in, I may cry. BTW the devs dont hate us to much that BC looks to be awsome . Abaddon really needs somework though you can't design a ship for only fleet warfare, lets face the facts less then a quarter of EVE players fight in fleets.
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Thud
Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:24:00 -
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Edited by: Thud on 25/10/2006 04:24:47
Originally by: Ath Amon now i think is not that right to complain that abaddon adds nothing to amarr if you keep fitting it as an apoc or a geddon...
is obvious that this ship is not an uber geddon...
as said in other posts i think this is mostly a support/fleet ship...
for fleet you don't need reps that much and passive tank is generally the way to go...
and the ship have both passive tank bonus and dps...
for closer range i think the design point more to a midrange ship something to use in 0.0 gatecamps or in small groups with a pair of tacklers...
here an idea... (have not checked if it fit but is just to give an idea :P)
8 megapulse
1 cap booster, 3 tracking comp
2 damage mods, 5 mix of hards/plate
webber, ecm or armor rep drones
20+k armor with good res and
around 1k dps at over 20km
or 700dps at 60km (far outside all close range guns)
it doesn't seem that crap to me and in this support role it will be way better than both apoc and geddom....
And after every short fight,you have to find a station that sells 800 cap charges. And,if you use a tachy fitting in fleets,you cant even finish a single fleet battle without running out of cap booster charges. ____ ____ My english is bad. |
LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:29:00 -
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I full heartedly agree to that last post
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LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:32:00 -
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Another key thing I just noticed.... why on earth does the minmatar ship have 21K powergrid and have like 80 more CPU then the Abaddon???? They need a lower Powergrid or amarr neds more CPU!
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Idara
Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:34:00 -
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Originally by: LordVodka Another key thing I just noticed.... why on earth does the minmatar ship have 21K powergrid and have like 80 more CPU then the Abaddon???? They need a lower Powergrid or amarr neds more CPU!
I brought that up in the first 3-4 pages, apparently because it's a "shield tanker"...
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LordVodka
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:43:00 -
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Ya so why do they need 21K power then!!!?!? amarr is armor tnak so we need 10000000000 power then.
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Hitomi Ayame
Royal Knights of Khanid Order of the Khanid Crown
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:47:00 -
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Originally by: Nyxus
And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion
Can someone verify this graph? It can't be accurate... if it is then someone needs to look at the Abbadon now!
I'm supposed to completely kill any tanking possibilities, and have to fill my hold with cap charges, for almost identical or sometimes even less damage than an 'Geddon?
On the other hand, looks like we've got a great new AC boat... - - - Hitomi Ayame, Lady Marshal, Royal Knights of Khanid
The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting! |
Thud
Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:49:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
as said in other posts i think this is mostly a support/fleet ship...
Like the geddon and the apo. But not one of em is more than that. (apo is ok at pve,but im talking about pvp) Look at the Video section,lots of blasterthron/domi vids,Farjung,trey,lopez and others postet nices vids. Same for Tempest,damige vids for example. Watch those vids,look what those pilots are able to do with there ships. Amarr BS cant do that,they are just ok medium/long range support,all 3. If you want a BS that is able to do solo pvp as well you have too train for another race ,there is no other option atm. I think thats one reason why so mutch amarr pilots are so pist of atm. They have not trained Amarr BS up to be in a support role all the time while all the mega,domi and Tempest pilots have all the real fun. So more and more amarr switch to other races bs.
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Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Thud Edited by: Thud on 25/10/2006 04:28:59
Originally by: Ath Amon i'm not in sisi so i can't check...
but 8 megapulse and no lar should run for 3-4 mins (and whitout using cap inj)
Oh great,4 minutes!
And if you use a tachy fitting in fleets,you cant even finish a single fleet battle without running out of cap booster charges.
nah with all the lag it will be ok in fleet :P
maybe for fleet you can lose a bit of tankage for cap rechargers... something like..
1 sensor booster, 2 tracking comp, 1 cap rec 1 pds, 2 dmg mods, 2 plates 2 cap rec
should be enought to run megabeamsbeams maybe you can even loose a cap rec for another plate or sensor
or even something like 2pds (or 1 pdu + cap rec) and 1 cap inj could work
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Thud
Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2006.10.25 04:52:00 -
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Originally by: Hitomi Ayame
Originally by: Nyxus
And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion
Can someone verify this graph? It can't be accurate... if it is then someone needs to look at the Abbadon now!
Why should it be wrong? Abaddon has the same rof boni than the geddon, just a single turret more,that doesnt make that mutch difference. But the geddon has a way larger drone bay.
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Thud
Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:01:00 -
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Originally by: Ath Amon
nah with all the lag it will be ok in fleet :P
maybe for fleet you can lose a bit of tankage for cap rechargers... something like..
1 sensor booster, 2 tracking comp, 1 cap rec 1 pds, 2 dmg mods, 2 plates 2 cap rec
should be enought to run megabeamsbeams maybe you can even loose a cap rec for another plate or sensor
or even something like 2pds (or 1 pdu + cap rec) and 1 cap inj could work
You can just use an armageddon than. Cheaper and you doesnt need the pds,you can use the lows for harderner and have the same resi as well after that. And you are able to shoot longer. ____ ____ My english is bad. |
Ath Amon
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:18:00 -
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Originally by: Thud
Originally by: Ath Amon
nah with all the lag it will be ok in fleet :P
maybe for fleet you can lose a bit of tankage for cap rechargers... something like..
1 sensor booster, 2 tracking comp, 1 cap rec 1 pds, 2 dmg mods, 2 plates 2 cap rec
should be enought to run megabeamsbeams maybe you can even loose a cap rec for another plate or sensor
or even something like 2pds (or 1 pdu + cap rec) and 1 cap inj could work
You can just use an armageddon than. Cheaper and you doesnt need the pds,you can use the lows for harderner and have the same resi as well after that. And you are able to shoot longer.
geddon have 5k less pg, half the base armor, no res and need probably 1 more sensor booster for fleet
the difference in base tanking between abaddon and geddon should be worth around 3 mods, i'll put another mod for the difference in target range and on top of that we should factor the 5k pg...
sure abaddon will lose a big part of this (mod) advantage for cap, but should be still quite superior to the geddon, probably something like 2 more mods.... considering that they are both t1 ships (so fully insurable) and the gun fitting will be similar it seem pretty good even moneywise.
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Thud
Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:24:00 -
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Half the base armor? You are comparing pre hp patch geddon with after hp patch abaddon. I belive you like the abaddon if you think it has 50% more armor. ____ ____ My english is bad. |
keepiru
Supernova Security Systems
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Posted - 2006.10.25 05:25:00 -
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Edited by: keepiru on 25/10/2006 05:25:15
Originally by: Ath Amon half the base armor
Arent you forgetting that Tier-3 BS stats are with the 50% HP Bonus applied?
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