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O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:25:00 - [1] Tier 3 Battleships Description http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3863/20061024124542mf7.png Stats http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2189/20061024124917sa8.png Fitting http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1028/20061024125008ee0.png thoughts: isnt the abaddons targetting range crappy! must be meant as a close range gank boat so it doesnt replace the apoc, which it surely would otherwise... i doubt it will replace the geddon as it costs 100m more
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:27:00 - [2] Originally by: Jim McGregor Linkies: http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3863/20061024124542mf7.png http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2189/20061024124917sa8.png http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/1028/20061024125008ee0.png Thanks for this, I was too lazy :)
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:27:00 - [3] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 13:33:21 Linkies: Description Imageshack mirror Stats http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/2189/20061024124917sa8.png Fittings Imageshack mirror Eve-files mirror --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:29:00 - [4] Abbadon description: Quote: [...]It is designed to enter combat from the outset, targetting enemies at range[...] And to accomplish this it is granted with a 45km lock range. Awesome. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:30:00 - [5] Edited by: Kapitanleutnant Mei on 24/10/2006 13:34:34 Edited by: Kapitanleutnant Mei on 24/10/2006 13:32:00 ;o 19 slots each - WOW wp ccp -although how the rokh is meant to fit 8 425mm rails with only 15K pg i don't know...
Tsar Maul	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:31:00 - [6] Scrapheap Challenge running Kali thread (expect stuff that can't be put on EVE-O :P)

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:31:00 - [7] Originally by: Elve Sorrow Abbadon description: Quote: [...]It is designed to enter combat from the outset, targetting enemies at range[...] And to accomplish this it is granted with a 45km lock range. Awesome. 45km seems a bit off. Might be a bit old static, I had a bunch of bugs about range and stuff. I've fixed those, my excel sheet says 80 000km _______________

Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:32:00 - [8] Awesome. (In a non-sarcastic way this time.) It's great being Amarr, aint it?
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:37:00 - [9] Edited by: Laboratus on 24/10/2006 13:41:56 Mind control and tin hats
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:37:00 - [10] Edited by: Laboratus on 24/10/2006 13:41:56 Mind control and tin hats
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:38:00 - [11] Tier 2 Battlecruisers http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1562/20061024125536vp0.png http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2124/20061024125545zw6.png http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3867/20061024125553vz3.png someone pls do the linky thing :)
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:38:00 - [12] I see we're still getting that abysmal armour-rep non-bonus on the Hyperion. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:38:00 - [13] Tier 2 Battlecruisers http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1562/20061024125536vp0.png http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2124/20061024125545zw6.png http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3867/20061024125553vz3.png someone pls do the linky thing :)
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:38:00 - [14] I see we're still getting that abysmal armour-rep non-bonus on the Hyperion. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Soyemia Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:39:00 - [15] M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Proud member of fix. Hated on finnish channel. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Soyemia Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:39:00 - [16] M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Proud member of fix. Hated on finnish channel. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [17] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Elve Sorrow Abbadon description: Quote: [...]It is designed to enter combat from the outset, targetting enemies at range[...] And to accomplish this it is granted with a 45km lock range. Awesome. 45km seems a bit off. Might be a bit old static, I had a bunch of bugs about range and stuff. I've fixed those, my excel sheet says 80 000km I was starting to collapse ...
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [18] so we can say that these stats are not final aswell? ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [19] Originally by: Laboratus Um, what role is the Hyperion supposed to fill there? Cause, I really can't see using this one for anything. erm, blaster boat with awesome tank? I think it looks INCREDIBLE. Its fast, light, agile, it pwns, and it tanks like a beast. It will be the new king of DPS.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [20] tier 2 BC stats, please? puppy eyes
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [21] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Elve Sorrow Abbadon description: Quote: [...]It is designed to enter combat from the outset, targetting enemies at range[...] And to accomplish this it is granted with a 45km lock range. Awesome. 45km seems a bit off. Might be a bit old static, I had a bunch of bugs about range and stuff. I've fixed those, my excel sheet says 80 000km I was starting to collapse ...
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [22] so we can say that these stats are not final aswell? ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [23] Originally by: Laboratus Um, what role is the Hyperion supposed to fill there? Cause, I really can't see using this one for anything. erm, blaster boat with awesome tank? I think it looks INCREDIBLE. Its fast, light, agile, it pwns, and it tanks like a beast. It will be the new king of DPS.
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:40:00 - [24] tier 2 BC stats, please? puppy eyes
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:41:00 - [25] Seems that even with AWU 5 you are going to need a fitting mod to fit 8x 425mm II on a Rokh. 15000 * 1.25 = 18750 2625 * 0.9 * 8 = 18900
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:41:00 - [26] Originally by: Aramendel tier 2 BC stats, please? puppy eyes read up
Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:41:00 - [27] Seems that even with AWU 5 you are going to need a fitting mod to fit 8x 425mm II on a Rokh. 15000 * 1.25 = 18750 2625 * 0.9 * 8 = 18900
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:41:00 - [28] Originally by: Aramendel tier 2 BC stats, please? puppy eyes read up

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:43:00 - [29] Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. _______________

Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:43:00 - [30] Hmm, wasn't the new BCs supposed to be all gank and no tank? And still 2 of them have tanking bonuses...

Tuxford	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:43:00 - [31] Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. _______________

Hoshi DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:43:00 - [32] Hmm, wasn't the new BCs supposed to be all gank and no tank? And still 2 of them have tanking bonuses...
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:44:00 - [33] Originally by: O Thief Tier 2 Battlecruisers http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1562/20061024125536vp0.png http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2124/20061024125545zw6.png http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3867/20061024125553vz3.png someone pls do the linky thing :) Linkage1 Linkage2 Linkage3 Not that hard, really. There's a hyperlink button in the formatting button list. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:44:00 - [34] I hope the PG on the Hyperion is wrong, 15250MW base for 8x Large Blasters, MWD & Injector + Repper(s)? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:44:00 - [35] Originally by: O Thief Tier 2 Battlecruisers http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1562/20061024125536vp0.png http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/2124/20061024125545zw6.png http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/3867/20061024125553vz3.png someone pls do the linky thing :) Linkage1 Linkage2 Linkage3 Not that hard, really. There's a hyperlink button in the formatting button list. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:44:00 - [36] I hope the PG on the Hyperion is wrong, 15250MW base for 8x Large Blasters, MWD & Injector + Repper(s)? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Cudeiro Amarr Princeps Corp	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:45:00 - [37] myrmidom and hurricane ...uhmmm sexy. "for the glory of General Tani"
Soyemia Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:45:00 - [38] Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. So that means you cant tank in it, great to have shield boost bonus on a arty boat. Resists would work much much better. Proud member of fix. Hated on finnish channel. Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
Soyemia Minmatar Dark Centuri Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:45:00 - [39] Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I EVE Online \| EVE Insider \| Forums \| 204
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:49:00 - [40] just saw the stats of the tier2 BC's. it is of my humble opinion that many people will scream "NERF MYRMIDON/HURRICANE!!!!!!111oneoneone", the Drake is omfgpwn, and the harbinger will melt anything that shows up in his path. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
Bazzaye	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:49:00 - [41] Edited by: Bazzaye on 24/10/2006 13:50:33 May i congratulate on the new BC models, they look very good, especially the gallente and amarr ones.
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:50:00 - [42] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. I interpret this is as a chance that this particular bonus might still get changed . i'll hold back my ***ing, about how bad/useless an active tank bonus for an artillery boat is, then; for now atleast Originally by:** Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
migwar Viziam	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:50:00 - [43] Are these available to test yet?
Chode Rizoum Minmatar Finite Horizon	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:50:00 - [44] does new bc seems badass... will there be a tech II version
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:51:00 - [45] Those have to be old. The images I have saved from McGregor's thread show the exact same powergrid stats for the Hyperion. Plus, those Struc/Armour/Shield values are sooooo lame, I mean, they can't all have one 9600, one 10500 and one 8400 value.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:52:00 - [46] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 13:52:56 Originally by: Tuxford Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. I have to agree. Im glad the Maelstrom got 6 medium slots, but the Rohk with the same slot layout is a better ship for fleets, and much better for passive tanking as well (which gets a boost now with the bigger shield extenders). Im going to check out the ships abit more now... just wanted to fix the linkes for people. :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:52:00 - [47] Ummm... tux? Drake, 345m3 for a ship with 7 launchers w. Rof bonus? It needs at least as much cargo space as the Hurricane ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:53:00 - [48] I've worked it out. The Hyperion is supposed to be fitted with a passive shield tank. Why didn't I think of it sooner? bangs head on desk Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:53:00 - [49] Um...why the hell does the Myrmidon have the exact same repper bonus as the Brutix? Can we get some variability here?
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:54:00 - [50] Originally by: Tuxford 45km seems a bit off. Might be a bit old static, I had a bunch of bugs about range and stuff. I've fixed those, my excel sheet says 80 000km 80km seems about right, but still a little short, unless scan resolution is also raised slightly. It has scan resolution in between minmataar and caldari, and should thus have a locking range in between 82km and 100km also, thus 90km. Or ofc set 80 and make scan res slightly above minnies, say 95. /Y
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:54:00 - [51] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Edited by: Berrik Radhok on 24/10/2006 13:48:15 The Abbadon, is, as I predicted, garbage. Not enough cap to run long range guns according to reports, and too slow to use pulses from it's stats. The cap base is worst then the gallentean tier 3 BS
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.10.24 13:55:00 - [52] Hi, Are some of the Command Ship models going to be updated with the new tier 2 bc ones? Best Regards, Taur
Magunus The Forsakened Few The ARR0W Project	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:03:00 - [53] Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Magunus Good god, Drake will have 30% more damage with non-kinetic missiles than the Cerberus because of the 2 extra launchers, and about 5% more with kinetic? That's not including the extra 250mm rail you can fit on there. I don't know enough about the others to compare them, but dayum. Passive tank drake ftw. Probably. I don't really understand the bonus. Heavy missiles, assault missiles and heavy assault missiles. What are assault missiles? Does it mean assault launchers, or are they introducing 2 different types of assault missiles? But at least I know the devs have a master plan for reducing the price of HACs! Introduce tech 1 ships that can chew through them like a pez dispenser. it will also replace the assault carcal for anti-inty supression imho. --- In the beginning the Universe was created. This has made a lot of people very angry and been widely regarded as a bad move. -- Douglas Adams, 'The Restaurant at the End of the Universe'
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:03:00 - [54] Originally by: Stephar Abaddon is a joke. The capacitor is pedestrian, it has the same grid as the Maelstrom (projectiles are much easier to fit than lasers), it's got the smallest cargohold for cap charges... I'm trying to see the silver lining here. But it's plenty grid and CPU to fit Artys...
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:03:00 - [55] Yes, notice that while the Maelstrom, Abaddon & Rokh have a 1000sec recharge time, the Hyperion has a 1200sec recharge time. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:04:00 - [56] Originally by: Idara Well, glad I've got Battlecruisers 5, sure as hell ain't going to be buying/flying those new BSs on release day. Please don't. I look forward to crashing into your Tier 2 BC at 1700 m/s in my shiny new hyperion and ripping you to shreds in a few seconds :)
Serj Darek Minmatar Mentally Unstable Enterprises	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:05:00 - [57] Originally by: Idara Oh, and its nice that the Maelstrom gets more CPU than the Abaddon but has the same powergrid! Let's take a look at the wonderful world of turrets... 1400mm Arty II - 47 cpu. Tachyon Beam II - 63 cpu. Plus 600 more grid. Brilliant. Maelstrom is shieldtanker, so it needs more CPU. Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes It contains my ingame name and corp ticker - Serj
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:06:00 - [58] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Idara Well, glad I've got Battlecruisers 5, sure as hell ain't going to be buying/flying those new BSs on release day. Please don't. I look forward to crashing into your Tier 2 BC at 1700 m/s in my shiny new hyperion and ripping you to shreds in a few seconds :) Good luck tracking anything up close I know I'm being quite *****y here, I'm sure everything will work out...
DeadDuck Amarr DAB RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:07:00 - [59] Originally by: Azerrad InExile Originally by: DeadDuck The cap base is worst then the gallentean tier 3 BS The Hyperion is supposed to have a monster cap to be able to mwd into blaster range and still have cap left to shoot. However, its still going to require a cap injector so the extra cap, while nice, isn't that much of an advantage. Well the Abaddon only has 6% more cap then the apocalipse without any cap bonus to lasers... how the hell the ship will work ???? ... on close range where the Nosferatus are used all across the map this ships is gonna be useless.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:07:00 - [60] /emote fits tracking disruptor in Hurricane's spare mid. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:07:00 - [61] It still needs more PG (much more PG) and about 20% more cap, really. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Grimpak Gallente Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:08:00 - [62] Originally by: Magunus Originally by: Grimpak Originally by: Magunus Good god, Drake will have 30% more damage with non-kinetic missiles than the Cerberus because of the 2 extra launchers, and about 5% more with kinetic? That's not including the extra 250mm rail you can fit on there. I don't know enough about the others to compare them, but dayum. Passive tank drake ftw. it will also replace the assault carcal for anti-inty supression imho. Probably. I don't really understand the bonus. Heavy missiles, assault missiles and heavy assault missiles. What are assault missiles? Does it mean assault launchers, or are they introducing 2 different types of assault missiles? But at least I know the devs have a master plan for reducing the price of HACs! Introduce tech 1 ships that can chew through them like a pez dispenser. fixed quote, and I think they meant "+5% bonus to heavy launcher, assault launcher and heavy assault launcher rate of fire per level" ...tbh I was looking for an excuse to train BC's to 5. the tier 2 BC's just gave me that excuse. ------- Originally by: Abdalion Originally by: Jebidus Skari What, in EVE, is a Tyrant? Me. Especially when it comes to troll threads.
50freefly Caldari Purify	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:09:00 - [63] 100m3 is NOT enough for it to be a battlecruiser drone boat... Increase that by 25 or 50 or give it a bonus please, as that is a very weird amount. Originally by: Eight Ace For reasons that have been lost in the mists of time all caldari ships are designed by two people. One does the left hand side and the other does the right. And they never meet.
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:10:00 - [64] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 24/10/2006 14:10:35 Originally by: Idara Edited by: Idara on 24/10/2006 14:02:19 Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Idara Those have to be old. The images I have saved from McGregor's thread show the exact same powergrid stats for the Hyperion. Plus, those Struc/Armour/Shield values are sooooo lame, I mean, they can't all have one 9600, one 10500 and one 8400 value. Yes, these new stats are very similar to the old stats that everybody said was totally inaccurate. Turns out they werent that inaccurate. The slot layouts have changed abit though, and some of the details. By "have to be old", I mean I'm praying they are. Those HP values are really lame, they're all the same ones spread over the 4 ships. Plus the Abaddon has **e for capacitor, should have the most so, I don't know, it can do it's damn job. And just like the minnie BSs where "speed is thier advantage" the Hyperion only has 10m/s more than the next BS, it should have prolly 150m/s base for that to really matter. Well, glad I've got Battlecruisers 5, sure as hell ain't going to be buying/flying those new BSs on release day. Originally by:** Cudeiro Originally by: Idara Um...why the hell does the Myrmidon have the exact same repper bonus as the Brutix? Can we get some variability here? 25m3 drones or 5% MHT dmg per level maybe? Yes please. Lets make it a drone boat and not just a drone using Brutix. i'll fill you in a bit in your cluelessness the hyperion has a lot less mass than the other BS and will benefit greatly from that when equipping a mwd (which is kinda a given for blasterboat) you whined about the fitting of 1400 and tachyon, tachyon are technically a tier higher than 1400 and have therefore obviously higher fitting reqs lame hp values: well geee lets take 100hp from there and add it somewhere else so the numbers look a bit different, geee gotta agree with the **ty cap for abbadon tough, can only think its a mistake like the 45 km targeting range Originally by:** Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Old Geeza The Retirement Home	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:10:00 - [65] Originally by: 50freefly 100m3 is NOT enough for it to be a battlecruiser drone boat... Increase that by 25 or 50 or give it a bonus please, as that is a very weird amount. It gives it 4/5 the damage of a Dominix - it's more than enough. It gives you enough room for 2 waves of medium drones. _______________________________________ Sign the petition against jump queues!
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:10:00 - [66] Originally by: Grimpak ...tbh I was looking for an excuse to train BC's to 5. the tier 2 BC's just gave me that excuse. I took a bet they would be awesome and trained it over the summer ^_^ ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Commander Thrawn Tarnak inc. Eternal Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:11:00 - [67] Originally by: Stephar Abaddon is a joke. The capacitor is pedestrian, it has the same grid as the Maelstrom (projectiles are much easier to fit than lasers), it's got the smallest cargohold for cap charges... I'm trying to see the silver lining here. Abbadon sucks bad, im not even looking at it atm, it most likely gonna take up storage space in my hangar the Harbinger on the other hand looks ok. does it have 6 or 8 lows??? 50m3 drones is perfect bonues are fine Does anyone know if you can fit 7xheavy pulse II and a ok tank on this guy??
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:11:00 - [68] Originally by: Idara Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Idara Well, glad I've got Battlecruisers 5, sure as hell ain't going to be buying/flying those new BSs on release day. Please don't. I look forward to crashing into your Tier 2 BC at 1700 m/s in my shiny new hyperion and ripping you to shreds in a few seconds :) Good luck tracking anything up close I know I'm being quite *****y here, I'm sure everything will work out... 5 mids... can you say 'dual webs'
Elve Sorrow Amarr Shinra Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:11:00 - [69] Stop whining about dronebays. Our BC has "Drones" in its description and only gets 50m3. It's great being Amarr, aint it?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:12:00 - [70] I was starting to train up T2 hybrids in preparation for the Rohk, but the Drake has triggered moist underwear syndrome. Seriously, 5% rof, 5% resists, and 7 launchers lots has me drooling. Exactly what I'd have asked for for christmas. Having a really sexy model to go with it is just icing on the cake. Rohk looks good to me too. I was thinking it might end up with an additional slot over the raven, which with 8 turrets would be a little horrendous. Otherwise, well it's a nicely rounded ship IMO. Spot on.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:12:00 - [71] Originally by: Tiuwaz the hyperion has a lot less mass than the other BS and will benefit greatly from that when equipping a mwd (which is kinda a given for blasterboat) I fear for the Tempest with this change. Will have to test it before I whine though. When we can. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
SibSpi	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:12:00 - [72] http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e203/sibspi/battlecruiser_minmatar.jpg I love my ability to use model exporters and apply the maps in a 3d program ^_^ waits to get banned for model pic leakage
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:13:00 - [73] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 14:13:52 Originally by: SibSpi http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e203/sibspi/battlecruiser_minmatar.jpg Hot! :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:13:00 - [74] Edited by: Alex Tremayne on 24/10/2006 14:13:49 Originally by: Idara Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Idara Well, glad I've got Battlecruisers 5, sure as hell ain't going to be buying/flying those new BSs on release day. Please don't. I look forward to crashing into your Tier 2 BC at 1700 m/s in my shiny new hyperion and ripping you to shreds in a few seconds :) Good luck tracking anything up close I know I'm being quite ***y here, I'm sure everything will work out... I'm glad someone is sure everything will work out, because I have a sneaking suspicion that all these ships will make it on to TQ with no real changes. Which is great for the BCs, they've all been balanced nicely from what I can see and I'm looking forward to flying them. The Hyperion is seriously lacking as a blaster platform though. It's slow: only 5m/s faster than the Megathron, and the second bonus is redundant. Oh, and the grid is very weak. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort**
kebab v2 Goatsnake Heavy Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:15:00 - [75] Originally by: Stephar Abaddon is a joke. The capacitor is pedestrian, it has the same grid as the Maelstrom (projectiles are much easier to fit than lasers), it's got the smallest cargohold for cap charges... I'm trying to see the silver lining here. This rof bonus is crazy with no cap usage bonus, at rank 5 your guns are using 25% extra cap too run constantly. IMO 5% damage makes more sence without a cap usage bonus.
CRUSH3R Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:15:00 - [76] Are all the ships stats calculated with the Kali 50% bonus or they will be more boosted?
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:16:00 - [77] Originally by: Commander Thrawn the Harbinger on the other hand looks ok. does it have 6 or 8 lows??? 50m3 drones is perfect bonues are fine Does anyone know if you can fit 7xheavy pulse II and a ok tank on this guy?? 8/4/6 like the Hurricane. 1875MW after skills. 7x HP II w. AWU 5: 2310.97 = 1455.5MW. 7x Foc Med P II w. AWU 5: 1320.97 = 831.6MW HP II doesent leave you with that much grid to work with, but 7x Foc Meds w. MWD Jector and 2 reps seems ideal. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:20:00 - [78] Originally by: Idara Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 24/10/2006 14:10:35 the hyperion has a lot less mass than the other BS and will benefit greatly from that when equipping a mwd (which is kinda a given for blasterboat) See...this is the same problem with the phoon, it's "the fastest" of the current battleships, but only by what, 5-10m/s? At those slow BS speeds, that means jack. Also, have you looked at the Megathron lately? It has the exact same mass as the Hyperion. So, your arguement makes no sense. The agility stats are hidden. Fly a Vindicator and you will see what I mean. Its HEAVIER than the mega, but much more agile. The hyperion WILL be excellent with an MWD.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:20:00 - [79] Originally by: Frools anyone else get the feeling tier 2 bc are supposed to relive the demand on HACs a bit? harbinger looks set to do almost 2x the damage of my zealot (die faster too of course, but who cares it'll be a fraction of the price!) Just finally giving the other races a BC that outdamages their racial damage HAC - the gallente have had one for a while in the form of the Brutix :) ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jet Collins Dynamic Endeavors	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:20:00 - [80] The new BC can't use any Gang mods?? It this true or just left out?
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:21:00 - [81] Originally by: Serj Darek Maelstrom is shieldtanker, so it needs more CPU. And less grid. Yet, strangely enough, it has identical grid to the aba.
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:21:00 - [82] Originally by: Jet Collins The new BC can't use any Gang mods?? It this true or just left out? True, or what possible reason would there be for using Tier 1 BC's?
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:22:00 - [83] Originally by: Idara Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 24/10/2006 14:10:35 the hyperion has a lot less mass than the other BS and will benefit greatly from that when equipping a mwd (which is kinda a given for blasterboat) See...this is the same problem with the phoon, it's "the fastest" of the current battleships, but only by what, 5-10m/s? At those slow BS speeds, that means jack. Also, have you looked at the Megathron lately? It has the exact same mass as the Hyperion. So, your arguement makes no sense. hmm okay didnt crosscheck with current mega stats, only 5 m/s faster than it heh i guess that was done to not infringe on the minni speed advantage, otherwise it would always be a certain win for hyp against a minni bs Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:24:00 - [84] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Alex Tremayne The Hyperion is seriously lacking as a blaster platform though. It's slow: only 5m/s faster than the Megathron, and the second bonus is redundant. Oh, and the grid is very weak. Agility is more important that top speed. Grid is okay if you're using electron II's/tank setup which is still excellent DPS. O_o The Hyperion has less grid than the Megathron and you think that's not a problem? It has the same mass as the Tempest and is 10m/s slower than it. This is not what I call "fast". This really, really sucks as a blasterboat. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:26:00 - [85] Edited by: Idara on 24/10/2006 14:26:40 Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Idara Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 24/10/2006 14:10:35 the hyperion has a lot less mass than the other BS and will benefit greatly from that when equipping a mwd (which is kinda a given for blasterboat) See...this is the same problem with the phoon, it's "the fastest" of the current battleships, but only by what, 5-10m/s? At those slow BS speeds, that means jack. Also, have you looked at the Megathron lately? It has the exact same mass as the Hyperion. So, your arguement makes no sense. hmm okay didnt crosscheck with current mega stats, only 5 m/s faster than it heh i guess that was done to not infringe on the minni speed advantage, otherwise it would always be a certain win for hyp against a minni bs That's what I mean. Yes, Minnies should be the fastest, which means that the 'phoon should really have a much higher base speed, so the Hyperion can be right behind it without infringing on the minnies "speed advantage". As for the poster about the Hyperion agility, taking that the Hyperion will have "good" agility on blind faith eh? Hell, give the damn thing 5% Blaster damage and a 5% MWD speed bonus FFS. Boom! Blasterboat.
Nervar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:27:00 - [86] Thank you tux, cant wait to test out how the maelstorm will be at sentrytanking Recruitment post
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:29:00 - [87] Edited by: O Thief on 24/10/2006 14:29:39 Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Alex Tremayne The Hyperion is seriously lacking as a blaster platform though. It's slow: only 5m/s faster than the Megathron, and the second bonus is redundant. Oh, and the grid is very weak. Agility is more important that top speed. Grid is okay if you're using electron II's/tank setup which is still excellent DPS. O_o The Hyperion has less grid than the Megathron and you think that's not a problem? It has the same mass as the Tempest and is 10m/s slower than it. This is not what I call "fast". This really, really sucks as a blasterboat. Top speed is not important. Mass is not important. AGILITY is important. Fly a vindicator with MWD and you will see what I mean. Or, stick a couple of nanofibers on your Megathron. Thats how the Hyperion will fly.
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:31:00 - [88] Originally by: CRUSH3R Are all the ships stats calculated with the Kali 50% bonus or they will be more boosted? just looking at caldari- I assume its included comparing the new structure values the rokh has 9000 or 6000*1.5 - also the drake has 6000 shield- if that wasn't with the 50% + a bit boost it would be incredible
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:34:00 - [89] Hmm, is it enough PG on Rokh/Hyperion? To fit 8 425 t2 + MWD? Looks not very good. 50 m2 dronebay on Rokh is just suxx.
Rhuu Gallente Es and Whizz	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:38:00 - [90] The new battlecruisers all look terrifying. Random thing I noted: the hurricaine is lighter than all of the caldari cruisers and only a tiny bit slower than a moa.
Kerdrak Amarr 3B Legio IX Chimaera Pact	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:41:00 - [91] Abbadom comes with a free capacitor booster, right? ________________________________________ First atheist amarr on EVE
Kunming Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:43:00 - [92] From what I understand, Hyperion and Rokh ar not even finished ships on the test server, they got no models and most stats are the same as on their Tier2 counterparts..
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:43:00 - [93] Hmmm, only 100m3 of drone space on the Myrmidon? That means it can't fit even one full set of heavies. Please increase to at least 125m3, or change the armor repper bonus into a +drone space bonus. Oh, and why does the Gallente bc (again) have the biggest sig radius?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:44:00 - [94] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 14:45:10 Originally by: Rhuu Random thing I noted: the hurricaine is lighter than all of the caldari cruisers and only a tiny bit slower than a moa. Its going to be a truly fantastic, great ship to fly. Its a dream ship for the minmatar (if its balanced to the rest - we will have to test when we can). It kind of makes up for the Maelstrom being abit crap, but minmatar now truly needs some help on the battleship level. Tux removed the hail speed penalty though, so that will help abit I think. Once again, i wanna test!! :) --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Frools No Quarter. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:44:00 - [95] Originally by: Rhuu The new battlecruisers all look terrifying. qft can do some crazy stuff with these new bc /me trains bc 5!
Hllaxiu Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:45:00 - [96] What is the Myrmidon supposed to fit in its high slots? Please don't tell me you intend for it to have 8 medium/small nosses/neuts. (MEDIUM HYBRID BONUS!) --- Our greatest glory is not in never failing, but in rising up every time we fail. - Emerson
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:45:00 - [97] Originally by: Zixxa Hmm, is it enough PG on Rokh/Hyperion? To fit 8 425 t2 + MWD? Looks not very good. 50 m2 dronebay on Rokh is just suxx. Why would you want to fit 8 425mm rails and an MWD? Tell me that was a typo.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:46:00 - [98] Originally by: Jim McGregor Edited by: Jim McGregor on 24/10/2006 14:45:10 Originally by: Rhuu Random thing I noted: the hurricaine is lighter than all of the caldari cruisers and only a tiny bit slower than a moa. Its going to be a truly fantastic, great ship to fly. Its a dream ship for the minmatar (if its balanced to the rest - we will have to test when we can). It kind of makes up for the Maelstrom being abit crap, but minmatar now truly needs some help on the battleship level. Tux removed the hail speed penalty though, so that will help abit I think. Once again, i wanna test!! :) I just want them to reskin my Claymore with the Huricaine model and ill be happy.
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:46:00 - [99] Originally by: Hllaxiu What is the Myrmidon supposed to fit in its high slots? Please don't tell me you intend for it to have 8 medium/small nosses/neuts. (MEDIUM HYBRID BONUS!) Its a small Domi. Nosses + ECM!
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:46:00 - [100] Originally by: Kunming From what I understand, Hyperion and Rokh ar not even finished ships on the test server, they got no models and most stats are the same as on their Tier2 counterparts.. Yeah, my Mega has 5 midslots and an armor rep bonus. Seriously, don't be so silly.
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:47:00 - [101] I think we all would feel better if we just admit that all the new BSs except the Rokh will suck. The BCs are nice, while the Drake is overpowered. Wait.. I think I'm starting to see a pattern here. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
kessah Caldari Veto.	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:47:00 - [102] omfg harbinger looks so f***ing sexy. That ship is guna make me so glad i spec'ed first in amarr again! -------------------------------------------------------- Forever Pirate 2
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:49:00 - [103] Originally by: Centurin I think we all would feel better if we just admit that all the new BSs except the Rokh will suck. The BCs are nice, while the Drake is overpowered. Wait.. I think I'm starting to see a pattern here. Yeah, the Amarr are overpowered! NERF AMARR!!!!
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:49:00 - [104] Originally by: Taurequis I just want them to reskin my Claymore with the Huricaine model and ill be happy. actually the sleipnir would be the counterpart to the hurricane, not the claymore Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Laboratus Gallente BGG Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:50:00 - [105] Ditch the repair bonus on the Hyperion and replace it with the Mass/agility improvement discussed earlier. Or perhaps a 10%/lvl reduction in MWD cap use or something. A blaster boat needs speed. Not repping. Mind control and tin hats
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:51:00 - [106] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Zixxa Hmm, is it enough PG on Rokh/Hyperion? To fit 8 425 t2 + MWD? Looks not very good. 50 m2 dronebay on Rokh is just suxx. Why would you want to fit 8 425mm rails and an MWD? Tell me that was a typo. No, it was not. 8 rails because I want to have damage of Hyperion. Sometimes. MWD to be safe or to win distance or because of commander order. Very simple. I(personally) need MWD and 8 t2 rails!
Alex Tremayne Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:55:00 - [107] Originally by: Laboratus Ditch the repair bonus on the Hyperion and replace it with the Mass/agility improvement discussed earlier. Or perhaps a 10%/lvl reduction in MWD cap use or something. A blaster boat needs speed. Not repping. Well said. I'd rather have the old MWD cap bonus back than this rep bonus. Lyrus Associates' Diplomat Of Last Resort
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:55:00 - [108] Is it just me or does 100m3 drone bay on the Gallente BC seem low for it to be a 'drone boat'? It is only 25m3 more than a Vexor.
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:56:00 - [109] Originally by: Derran Is it just me or does 100m3 drone bay on the Gallente BC seem low for it to be a 'drone boat'? It is only 25m3 more than a Vexor. You cant just take one stat and say its not good enough... you have to look at the whole ship. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Orvy Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:56:00 - [110] Does anyone else have a feeling that it won't be over the top to place a huge sign on the Eve online home page saying 'Don't bother and be an Achura Caldari specializing in Caldari ships'? In my opinion it would help new players greatly. ______________________________________________ Fighting for perfection of sweets recepies
Gtnasty	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:57:00 - [111] Oh, so the next ?. When will they be on Tranquility??? I want that Betrayal
Kapitanleutnant Mei	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:58:00 - [112] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Zixxa Hmm, is it enough PG on Rokh/Hyperion? To fit 8 425 t2 + MWD? Looks not very good. 50 m2 dronebay on Rokh is just suxx. Why would you want to fit 8 425mm rails and an MWD? Tell me that was a typo. no in fleet combat every ship with a MWD drive is mandatory for some FC's i know to allow for manoeuvrability, bubble avoidance, and rapid deployment around gates ect- in addition the primary way the rokh will avoid getting spanked is staying out of range of other ship so a MWD will help accomplish this. In light of the fact its going to need a cap injector as well i'd be inclined to armour tank a 6 mid rokh- as you'll need the other mids for sensor boosts and tracking mods -i think it should lose a low and gain a mid for a 8-7-4 layout myself. This would help differentiate its slot layout and fit fluff wise better but meh. 50m3 of dronebay is a bit naff however it re-inforces its fleet role as you'll need valk2's in there if you want to hit the tacklers so i'm not too bothered about it.
Nervar Exotic Dancers Club	Posted - 2006.10.24 14:59:00 - [113] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Taurequis I just want them to reskin my Claymore with the Huricaine model and ill be happy. actually the sleipnir would be the counterpart to the hurricane, not the claymore /signed Make it happen tux, and ill love you forever Recruitment post
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:00:00 - [114] Originally by: Orvy Does anyone else have a feeling that it won't be over the top to place a huge sign on the Eve online home page saying 'Don't bother and be an Achura Caldari specializing in Caldari ships'? In my opinion it would help new players greatly. Hurricane is bad for you????? OMG!
Parallax Error Amarr Imperial Dreams Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:00:00 - [115] Looking at the preliminary stats for the Abaddon, it suddenly becomes clear to me that no-one doing the balancing tried to play with Amarr Battleships back in the days when lasers used more cap and the energy turret useage bonus was only 5% per level. You really don't seem to realise just how useless the Abaddon will be with lasers.
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:01:00 - [116] I find fitting projectiles on Amarr ships far more effective. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 - [117] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Zixxa Hmm, is it enough PG on Rokh/Hyperion? To fit 8 425 t2 + MWD? Looks not very good. 50 m2 dronebay on Rokh is just suxx. Why would you want to fit 8 425mm rails and an MWD? Tell me that was a typo. No, it was not. 8 rails because I want to have damage of Hyperion. Sometimes. MWD to be safe or to win distance or because of commander order. Very simple. I(personally) need MWD and 8 t2 rails! Well, get ready to use your lows for some RCU II then.
Orvy Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:04:00 - [118] Originally by: Zixxa Originally by: Orvy Does anyone else have a feeling that it won't be over the top to place a huge sign on the Eve online home page saying 'Don't bother and be an Achura Caldari specializing in Caldari ships'? In my opinion it would help new players greatly. Hurricane is bad for you????? OMG! Look dood, i'm working here... Let me whine, i don't want it to get nerfed ______________________________________________ Fighting for perfection of sweets recepies
Andreaz Kotz Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:06:00 - [119] I wont ever fly the maelstrom but thanks for the hurricane ccp! Your signature is inappropriate ( copyrighted material). Please read the forum rules before reposting- Tirg
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:08:00 - [120] Why does CCP hate Amarr? Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:12:00 - [121] Use for Abaddon... H: 8 MDCM II with Veldspar Crystals M: All Cap rechargers L: 3 Mining Upgrades, 4 CPU II's. Well done CCP - the extra cpu on the abaddon means an extra mining upgrade.... But wait - you can do that on a Rokh as well... Hmmmm. I cannot think of a single reason why someone would want a Abaddon for pvp, unless they dont have another race's skills. It is just..... just.... dreadful. Thankfully, Caldari BS lvl5 Here I come! --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:12:00 - [122] Originally by: Frools anyone else get the feeling tier 2 bc are supposed to relive the demand on HACs a bit? harbinger looks set to do almost 2x the damage of my zealot (die faster too of course, but who cares it'll be a fraction of the price!) The Zealot isn't exactly the most damaging HAS, either. It just do ok'ish DPS for it's class. And the "placeholder" Harbinger had 8 guns, and damage/RoF bonuses. The final version is more reasonable. I like quite a lot the battlecruisers, with their more than decent firpower and battleship-like hit points, but the battleships leaves me cold. In particular, the Abaddon looks like it's going to be an Apocalypse bis. All-out DPS is of limited use (gankers will love them, and that's about it). And all-out tank is even more limited, as there's no point tanking if you can't kill. So players are going to mix lasers and projectiles to keep the cap usage from being obscene while keeping as little in the way of firepower. Well, at least we won't do only EM and thermal damage anymore Tuxford, couldn't you give the Abaddon 4 missile slots? ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:15:00 - [123] Originally by: Lord WarATron Use for Abaddon... H: 8 MDCM II with Veldspar Crystals M: All Cap rechargers L: 3 Mining Upgrades, 4 CPU II's. Well done CCP - the extra cpu on the abaddon means an extra mining upgrade.... But wait - you can do that on a Rokh as well... Hmmmm. I cannot think of a single reason why someone would want a Abaddon for pvp, unless they dont have another race's skills. It is just..... just.... dreadful. Thankfully, Caldari BS lvl5 Here I come! I'm just going to flat out say it: Whoever is responsible for the Abbadon in it's current form has obviously never flown Amarr ships, never flown in fleet combat, and never used lasers. I'm also going to bet they don't even play the game at all except with a Polaris ship. That's the only explanation I can think of for why the dev in Jita local on the test server could possibly claim the Abbadon is in any way a good ship for things other than padding the killboards of enemies. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:17:00 - [124] Originally by: Nervar Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Taurequis I just want them to reskin my Claymore with the Huricaine model and ill be happy. actually the sleipnir would be the counterpart to the hurricane, not the claymore /signed Make it happen tux, and ill love you forever Aye good point. Just dawned on me I trained for a Muninn to do some missions the other day that wouldnt let me Claymore into the deadspace. Biproduct of that is I can fly a Sleipnir now. So yeah Hurricane Mod on the Sleipnir 4tw!!! Taur
Kyozoku Loot	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:17:00 - [125] 8/4/8 on a bc!
Hellspawn01 Amarr The Phantom Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:17:00 - [126] Originally by: Lord WarATron Use for Abaddon... H: 8 MDCM II with Veldspar Crystals M: All Cap rechargers L: 3 Mining Upgrades, 4 CPU II's. Well done CCP - the extra cpu on the abaddon means an extra mining upgrade.... But wait - you can do that on a Rokh as well... Hmmmm. I cannot think of a single reason why someone would want a Abaddon for pvp, unless they dont have another race's skills. It is just..... just.... dreadful. Thankfully, Caldari BS lvl5 Here I come! True. But with the bonus its a better ship for missions. Ship lovers click here
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:18:00 - [127] Originally by: Hellspawn01 Originally by: Lord WarATron Use for Abaddon... H: 8 MDCM II with Veldspar Crystals M: All Cap rechargers L: 3 Mining Upgrades, 4 CPU II's. Well done CCP - the extra cpu on the abaddon means an extra mining upgrade.... But wait - you can do that on a Rokh as well... Hmmmm. I cannot think of a single reason why someone would want a Abaddon for pvp, unless they dont have another race's skills. It is just..... just.... dreadful. Thankfully, Caldari BS lvl5 Here I come! True. But with the bonus its a better ship for missions. Raven is cheaper and does them better. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:19:00 - [128] Why does the Maelstrom have the SAME pg as the Abaddon? Doesn't the Abaddon need MORE grid? Why doesn't the Abaddon have the biggest capacitor and recharge rate?? How is the Abaddon EVER supposed to tank? Where are the "defensive weapons" that are capless? Why not some missile slots on this thing??? Where is the Harbingers 8th turret slot??? Why does the Drake get 7 launchers + rof bonus and the Harbinger only have 7 + rof bonus? Drake will simply outclass it in every way. I am so disapointed in the Amarr ships, I can't even express it. Nyxus It's great being (shafted again as) Amarr, ain't it? Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:21:00 - [129] Originally by: Kyozoku 8/4/8 on a bc! Its 8/4/6 ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
2SecondsTilMidnight	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:21:00 - [130] Holy **** drake looks nice. Almost seems overpowered. Hello my new BC :)
Shadowsword Gallente COLSUP Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:22:00 - [131] Originally by: Kyozoku 8/4/8 on a bc! Look closer at the screenshot and you'll se that it's 8/4/6. Did you really think the Amarr BC would be given 2 more slots than the others? ------------------------------------------ Nuhwall: Why are some Amarr ships warping backward? Shadowsword: whatever happen, if they need to flee they can honestly say the faced the enemy.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:22:00 - [132] I can only conclude that the Abbadon's ingame description is meant as a cruel joke. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
Arushia Nova Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:25:00 - [133] Harbinger and Myrmidon look nice. Though I'd rather have more lows on the Myrmidon than highs with no hardpoints. 100m^3 and a drone damage bonus seems about right, 125+ or a drone capacity bonus and it starts intruding on the Dominix and Ishtar's turf. Harbinger's got plenty of laser damage and a drone bay to rival the Brutix. Best of all it's not a big gold chicken. I won't comment on grid or CPU till I've actually tried to fit them up, and I won't comment on Drake or Hurricane since I don't fly Minmatar or Caldari.
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:27:00 - [134] Hi, I really can't see why anyone would fly tier 1 bc's anymore. Anyone care to point out where the - Brutix Ferox Cyclone Prophecy Fit in to the grand scheme of things. Taur
Talon Calais Gallente Nubs.	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:28:00 - [135] Thanks for screwing the Gallente pilots. Hyperion - The big Brutix: Less PG than a Mega, an insanely high cap recharge rate, slower than the flying garbage can (Typhoon). This makes for the following setup: 8x Electrons MWD ; Cap injector ; cap rechargers 2 armor reps ; cap relays I can think of another ship that would be better with said setup and any other setup you could concieve. Myrmidon: I might fly this, Brutix + Vexor mashed together. But I'd still want to fly either of the other more dedicated ships.
Lord WarATron Amarr Out Siders Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:29:00 - [136] Originally by: Berrik Radhok I can only conclude that the Abbadon's ingame description is meant as a cruel joke. Anagram of Abaddon from Amarr PvPers - A Bad Nod!!! --- Slot 10 Akemons Modified 'Noble'Zet 5000 implant +8% Armour FREE
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:35:00 - [137] This whole thread makes me sad. Congrats Caldari pilots. CCP definitely loves you. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:38:00 - [138] Originally by: Taurequis Hi, I really can't see why anyone would fly tier 1 bc's anymore. Anyone care to point out where the - Brutix Ferox Cyclone Prophecy Fit in to the grand scheme of things. Taur Three words: Gang Assist Mods
Centurin Sturmgrenadier Inc R i s e	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:40:00 - [139] Incase you missed the Tux post, they are on the new BCs. Just weren't in the description. ----------------------------------------------- "Freedom is the right of all sentient beings" - Optimus Prime
The Wizz117	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:47:00 - [140] Originally by: Centurin This whole thread makes me sad. Congrats Caldari pilots. CCP definitely loves you. no the real caldari are severly ******. since it only got 4 missile launcher hard points and not 2 defensive bonuses but also 1 bonus to the turrets ------------------------------------------- That ccp created a universe doesen't mean they'r gods
ActiveX Eye of God Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 - [141] Please for the love of god, someone post the new stats for T2 Long and short range ammos (Particularly Javalin and quake new vs old and Tremor and Spike ____________ Sex / Rank 9 / SP: 1280 of 2304000
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:49:00 - [142] Originally by: The Wizz117 Originally by: Centurin This whole thread makes me sad. Congrats Caldari pilots. CCP definitely loves you. no the real caldari are severly ******. since it only got 4 missile launcher hard points and not 2 defensive bonuses but also 1 bonus to the turrets Is it me or dont you make any sense? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:50:00 - [143] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: The Wizz117 Originally by: Centurin This whole thread makes me sad. Congrats Caldari pilots. CCP definitely loves you. no the real caldari are severly ******. since it only got 4 missile launcher hard points and not 2 defensive bonuses but also 1 bonus to the turrets Is it me or dont you make any sense? The wizz is a close comrade to detaurus, just ignore him. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 15:50:00 - [144] Originally by: ActiveX Please for the love of god, someone post the new stats for T2 Long and short range ammos (Particularly Javalin and quake new vs old and Tremor and Spike 154 in queue.... --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:07:00 - [145] Originally by: O Thief Originally by: Taurequis Hi, I really can't see why anyone would fly tier 1 bc's anymore. Anyone care to point out where the - Brutix Ferox Cyclone Prophecy Fit in to the grand scheme of things. Taur Three words: Gang Assist Mods As the bloke below your post said they (gang assit bonus) are just missed from the description... So are all the tier 1 versions basically redundant? (except for a slightly better tank) Taur
O Thief The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:11:00 - [146] Originally by: Taurequis As the bloke below your post said they (gang assit bonus) are just missed from the description... So are all the tier 1 versions basically redundant? (except for a slightly better tank) Taur Just have too see how it pans out. I can't imagine never using the Brutix, the DPS with 7 med TII blasters and 5 med drones is still pretty nice.
Derran Minmatar Khumatari Holdings Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:13:00 - [147] Originally by: Jim McGregor Originally by: Derran Is it just me or does 100m3 drone bay on the Gallente BC seem low for it to be a 'drone boat'? It is only 25m3 more than a Vexor. You cant just take one stat and say its not good enough... you have to look at the whole ship. I suppose. It is just that 100m3 feels low for me compared to other drone ships. 4 heavy drones is good but that is all you can carry and when one dies, so does your DPS. I'd be happier with 120m3 because at least then you can put some mediums in as replacements and you won't be in the drone DPS range of a Dominix since you wouldn't be able to carry 5 heavies. I like the ship as a whole but it just feels wrong to me as a 'drone boat' with 100m3.
Radioactive Babe	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:14:00 - [148] so Tier1 BC's get one gang mod (without those mids slot mods to increase number), Tech 2 get 3 gang mods ... Tier 2 fit 2 gang mods? and yes, caldari Tier 2 BC >> any of the others, looks far more powerful not even going to start on the BS's we all know the only one use in fleets will be the Rokh and the gallente one will be used by the up close and personal people, the others will gather dust in stations
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:14:00 - [149] mael is really subpar tank bonus useless in fleet, crap dps... slow and cumbersome for short range... and about bcs... i'm wrong or caldari/gall are the new cheap solopownmobile?
Zixxa	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:15:00 - [150] Originally by: Ath Amon mael is really subpar tank bonus useless in fleet, crap dps... slow and cumbersome for short range... and about bcs... i'm wrong or caldari/gall are the new cheap solopownmobile? You are wrong. Minma gets new pwnallmobile(Hurricane). Caldari also get pwnmobile but first in their history.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:20:00 - [151] You are wrong. Minma gets new pwnallmobile(Hurricane). Caldari also get pwnmobile but first in their history. after raven, crow and some nice t2?
Nir	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:37:00 - [152] My thoughts: Harbringer is nice, the mini-Geddon with an extra medslot. Abbadon is terrible even with 80km locking range.
MECTO	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:38:00 - [153] Originally by: Ath Amon You are wrong. Minma gets new pwnallmobile(Hurricane). Caldari also get pwnmobile but first in their history. after raven, crow and some nice t2? what? raven solo? lol show me! Originally by: Kusotarre I am awesome in fleets, everyone on teamspeak trembles in fear as my battlecry blasts through their headphones, heralding a new era of target-less randomosity.
Luric Vizjier The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:39:00 - [154] Is it just me, or is it a tad ridiculous that the Hyperion will theoretically be able to deal the most damage, have the highest speed, and push the best armor tank all in one ship? Obviously, I hope, it has no where near the cap to do so all at once, but the sheer fact it has the possibility kinda bugs me. -----------------------------------------------
Lord C'tan	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:39:00 - [155] careful u nearly forgot the ferox. Personally i think there will be a few tinkers done till these are released. And if these are the final stats just get used to them, and stop whining about it your not being forced to use them Please resize image to a maximum of 400 x 120, not exceeding 24000 bytes, ty - Cortes
chingon Caldari Black Knight Buccaneers Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:43:00 - [156] Dammn caldari just get another ugly looking raven hull?? I hope these are just test server pictures cause i hate the raven hull Ö Sig By Liu Mang
Kyozoku Loot	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:48:00 - [157] Is the drake really supposed to have a resist bonus? Seems odd that it has the same bonus as ferox.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:50:00 - [158] Originally by: Luric Vizjier Is it just me, or is it a tad ridiculous that the Hyperion will theoretically be able to deal the most damage, have the highest speed, and push the best armor tank all in one ship? Obviously, I hope, it has no where near the cap to do so all at once, but the sheer fact it has the possibility kinda bugs me. It will be the fastest BS, but as a blaster boat thats a basic requirement rather than a distict advantage. DPS... it will be high but you have to get in range to unleash it. What you wont be able to do is uber gank and uber tank. Its one or the other. Grid is very limited.
Luric Vizjier The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 16:54:00 - [159] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: Luric Vizjier Is it just me, or is it a tad ridiculous that the Hyperion will theoretically be able to deal the most damage, have the highest speed, and push the best armor tank all in one ship? Obviously, I hope, it has no where near the cap to do so all at once, but the sheer fact it has the possibility kinda bugs me. It will be the fastest BS, but as a blaster boat thats a basic requirement rather than a distict advantage. DPS... it will be high but you have to get in range to unleash it. What you wont be able to do is uber gank and uber tank. Its one or the other. Grid is very limited. I suppose I'll just have to catch you guys in my Curse like I always do :) -----------------------------------------------
Hex'Caliber Gallente	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:03:00 - [160] Well I have to say I am intrigued by the Hyperion, before seeing these stats I was less than optimistic, although the cpu looks a little too tight. Regards HexCaliber
Luric Vizjier The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:07:00 - [161] Ya know, under all this "overpowered and nerfed" talk. I still want to know more about rigs. Are there any stats in game for rig fittings and can we get more screenies of those? I think honestly rigs could be the things to make or break these new battleships. They may have even been designed with certain modifiers in mind. -----------------------------------------------
Attiladehun Gallente Fire Mandrill Astrophobics	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:13:00 - [162] Any idea on what the prices are for those bpo's maybe? Cause that bc looks too nice
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:20:00 - [163] Havnt read the entire thread, so sorry if I am repeating something but... Hype doesnt look "that" fast, its fittings are pretty low, well craptastic actualy, only 6 lows so 3 damage mods not realy going to be viable, hell even 2 will be a pain, 5 mids you say? w00t? that 5th has to be a tracking cpu or its not gonna hit anything. On top of all that it looks like a giant but plug :( REALY cant see how this Hyperion is going to be any better than a Blasterthron unless I'm missing something obvious? Oh yeah a big cap, does this mean no injecter needed? nope, so that makes no real change. CEO - Art of War
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:42:00 - [164] Regarding the battlecruisers, there's only one thing I can say really: I told you so! Tuxford, if you feel the Maelstrom is the weaker of the pack, why not change it's shield bonus? - What am I listening to?
Zhaine B e l l u m	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:47:00 - [165] Well as most agree the BCs look good. Liking the Amarr one personally. Perhaps the Drake looks a little too good but meh. . . As for the BSs, well I can't comment on other races but I have to add my voice to the "not really happy with the Abaddon at all" crowd. I can see projectiles + wicked tank being cool, especially for sentry tanking purposes but really. . . It seems like a bit of a mish mash and not really effective in any role. . . Would prefer some changes tbh (/me wants big Arbi instead of a third laser platform). - - - - - - - - - - Quote: I don't even want a ship, ships are for carebears. Give me a fish bowl for my head (to keep space out) and smear me with lard, then armed with a toasting fork-
Cmdr Sy Off Balance Sheet Entity	Posted - 2006.10.24 17:51:00 - [166] Gallente BC looks very nice indeed. Only question is - T2 sensor damp or drone tracking thingy on the spare mid?
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:05:00 - [167] Originally by: xenodia I can almost hear the whines now when people notice that the Amarr battlecruiser has 1 more slot than all the others (assuming these stats are accurate). Well, if it needs it to stay competetive, it needs it. Its the same with the Cyclone compared to the other tier 1 battlecruisers. --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:06:00 - [168] Originally by: Taurequis Hi, I really can't see why anyone would fly tier 1 bc's anymore. Anyone care to point out where the - Brutix Ferox Cyclone Prophecy Fit in to the grand scheme of things. Taur Brutix is still the blaster boat as the Myrmidon gets no turret damage bonus and has only 5 turrets. Ferox... will... the Ferox is SUPPOSED to be the hybrid boat, but I'm pretty sure the HML + Passive Tank setup will still work. Cyclone, I don't know. Have never touched it, but this one seems to be stacked in the Hurricane's favor. Prophecy still has its tank. ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:09:00 - [169] Originally by: xenodia I can almost hear the whines now when people notice that the Amarr battlecruiser has 1 more slot than all the others (assuming these stats are accurate). It has the exact same slots as the Hurricane? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Gozmoth Altera Odyssea Tau Ceti Federation	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:10:00 - [170] Edited by: Gozmoth on 24/10/2006 18:14:27 I can not explain why the abaddon was designed this way ... it is just a armageddon-like but far less cheaper. We Amarr, can do only one thing in battle : using our turrets. We are not ECM/missiles/drones/... users - we have no flexibility. Just one thing : firing. To do this, we need to use our low slots because of the insane fitting requirement, we are stuck with EM damage, our capacitor is eaten by our turrets, ... we are far to be on the top of the only thing Amarrs can do : firing turrets. We are at best equal with the others. There is thousand of posts of this forum, making suggestion, sometimes bad, sometimes excellent (khanid things) ... and the designer for the Abaddon has just ignored everything and kept his mind.
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:18:00 - [171] Originally by: xenodia I can almost hear the whines now when people notice that the Amarr battlecruiser has 1 more slot than all the others (assuming these stats are accurate). Meh, the extra high slot will just be left empty like the Maller, Omen, Geddon, or Mega. I mean you could put a rocket launcher there.....but really why bother? If the Harbinger is not going to be 8 turrets, and it SHOULD be or the Drake should be 7 + kinetic bonus since turret dps boats should have an extra turret over thier missile+rof equivalents, please change the slot layout from: 8/4/6 to 7/4/7. It's Amarr. It should have more low slots, and there is nothing really worth sticking in that high slot as it is. Nyxus Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Skraelingz Gallente Gallente Federal Bank Ratel Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:19:00 - [172] why does the myrmid only have 5 hard points... and a supbar drone bay... so it cant fit enough guns or enough drones... rock on! -----------------------------------------------
Amy Wang	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:21:00 - [173] Originally by: Tuxford Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. Nope, youre completely right. It is sub par and there is no real reason to chose the Mael above the Pest other then looks, because 0,5 guns worth of effective damage for a higher price (not to mention the hefty pricetag of the the extra 2 guns) just dont cut it. Give the ship the shield resist bonus as the Rohk has already so it can live up to its description pretty please. Shield boost bonus for fleets....
Romble The Graduates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:23:00 - [174] wow the new bc's are unreal. Almost over the top in terms of firepower , ganking, speed(with the upcoming agil boost) and survivability. Every races BC is super nice. The new bs seem a bit underwhelming to me. It's gonna be fun to be able to fly any BC cruiser effectively and not require much Sp. For myself i have projectiles and missiles trained and all races of cruiser therefor can fly all bc. So my choices will be: Drake for wtfpwn with missiles Myrmydon= my mini nos domi with AC Prophecy with AC and super tank Hurricane= pure love
Plutoinum German Cyberdome Corp Veritas Immortalis	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:32:00 - [175] Guess the Hurricane is what I wanted. Looks like a usefull ship that might deserve it's name. ( Not some weird minnie ship with weird bonusses that doesn't know what it wants to be. )
Lord Augustus	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:35:00 - [176] the rokh has a nice scan resolution we can forget about tanking, 6 medslots and you must fit 2 sensor boosters to lock something in less than one hour.
dalmety	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:52:00 - [177] we armarr are completely stuffed i thought the abaddon was gonna get 8/4/8 whats the point of 8/4/7 that dont give us much to play with without any kind of cap bonus all mids are gonna be filled with rechargers and boosters anyway. the bc looks good and i am happy with that but the abaddon is just another waist of space cant see any use for it tbh. tux said he likes the idea of people running out of cap in longer engagements due to the hp increase but its armarr that are really gonna suffer and its not like we have any secondary weapons to which we get bonuses for to rely on, i really thought we might get some kind of break in kali guess not.
Butter Dog The Dead Miners Society	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:55:00 - [178] Originally by: dalmety we armarr are completely stuffed i thought the abaddon was gonna get 8/4/8 whats the point of 8/4/7 that dont give us much to play with without any kind of cap bonus all mids are gonna be filled with rechargers and boosters anyway. the bc looks good and i am happy with that but the abaddon is just another waist of space cant see any use for it tbh. tux said he likes the idea of people running out of cap in longer engagements due to the hp increase but its armarr that are really gonna suffer and its not like we have any secondary weapons to which we get bonuses for to rely on, i really thought we might get some kind of break in kali guess not. Is something preventing you fitting a cap booster?
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.24 18:59:00 - [179] I found a new short video and song of all the new Caldari and Gallente ships!!! If you are Achura, regular Caldari, or an ECM/Nos Domi user then this is definitely for you!!!!!!eleventy11!!11!!!! It's so true it hurts. And not in a good way. Caldari 4tw!!!! Nyxus It's great to be Amarr, ain't it? Originally by: Tux The thought of a missile spewing armor tanking cool black looking ship makes me happy in the pants
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:01:00 - [180] Myrmidon: needs it's drone bay doubled to be viable. Drake: needs it's resistance bonus changed not to obsolete Ferox (inspite of suggestion below) Ferox: it cannot be said enough, it needs two more turret hardpoints. Maelstrom: shield boost bonus is no good. Change to shield capacity to make viable. Hyperion: sig radius aside, this ship is even tighter on grid than Megathron, it also has a bonus that requires grid heavy modules to function. Change to armour hit point amount bonus (in line with Erebus), it might even make it to close combat in fleet engagement (yeah, I'm lying my arse off, it'll die before one cycle of MWD). Abaddon: /me refere to Nyxus' thread. Change to damage bonus instead of rate of fire is the first and most basic step. - What am I listening to?
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:09:00 - [181] Originally by: Ithildin Myrmidon: needs it's drone bay doubled to be viable. Drake: needs it's resistance bonus changed not to obsolete Ferox (inspite of suggestion below) Ferox: it cannot be said enough, it needs two more turret hardpoints. Maelstrom: shield boost bonus is no good. Change to shield capacity to make viable. Hyperion: sig radius aside, this ship is even tighter on grid than Megathron, it also has a bonus that requires grid heavy modules to function. Change to armour hit point amount bonus (in line with Erebus), it might even make it to close combat in fleet engagement (yeah, I'm lying my arse off, it'll die before one cycle of MWD). Abaddon: /me refere to Nyxus' thread. Change to damage bonus instead of rate of fire is the first and most basic step. myrmidon: shouldnt be able to field 5 heavies, so dronebay is there to stay, could argue for 20% in hitpoints increase instead of 10% for drones drake: meh, no real opinion on that ferox: agree maelstrom: agree Hyperion: little clue about blasterships Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Kuolematon Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:10:00 - [182] Abaddon is a joke .. I was first very happy to see that Amarr finally got rid of "cap usage per level" sillynees and then it strikes back with tier2 BC! Part of forum movement known as "It's great being Amarr, aint it?Ö" To be Kali, or not to be Lagi
God forbid Amarr Mithril Inc	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:11:00 - [183] 8 - 4 - 7 O.M.G That Abadon is one totally uncool.. I really thought we would atleast get 8 - 4 - 8.. Quote: "He did not know, Who he was ******* with."
Now Mary	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:14:00 - [184] Originally by: Idara Um...why the hell does the Myrmidon have the exact same repper bonus as the Brutix? Can we get some variability here? They should change the rep bonus on the brutix to a falloff bonus, and change the falloff bonus from commandships on the Astarte to the repping bonus (or replace it altogether...) The idea of the Myrmidon out ganking the brutix was kind of sickening, and now it deffinately won't be able to - which is largely a good thing. Never the less, it would be nice to have one damage orientated battlecruiser, and one tanking orientated. I think switching those bonuses would accomplish that quite nicely, while still keeping the tankability of the Commandships in tact with the Astarte. If you are reading a post by this character, it's probably because I'm too lazy to select my main. Try not to lose any sleep over it, mkay?
Udyr Vulpayne Amarr PIE Inc.	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:17:00 - [185] so basicly no work at all was done on the proposed abaddon of 2+ months ago when people where already complaining about exactly the same things. as no change was made and tux didnt bother to explain his ideas behind the ship i still have the same questions i had back then: - what is the supposed "new role" this ship will add to the amarrian fleet? - supposedly it will "tank better than an apoc" but the apoc will still have something it does better. seeing how the apoc isnt all that good in other departments besides tanking and it shares the same slotlayout i would like to know what the apoc will do better. - supposedly it will "gank better than a geddon" but the geddon will still have something it does better. now here i suspect that the geddon will be able to deal a bit less damage for a longer time due to the abaddons crappy cap. as i'm not sure thats what tux was aiming for though i would like to know his thoughts on this as well. same as with my other post i will obviosuly also be happy if some other dev decides to answer those questions in case tux cant be bothered.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:17:00 - [186] Originally by: Tiuwaz Originally by: Ithildin Myrmidon: needs it's drone bay doubled to be viable. Drake: needs it's resistance bonus changed not to obsolete Ferox (inspite of suggestion below) Ferox: it cannot be said enough, it needs two more turret hardpoints. Maelstrom: shield boost bonus is no good. Change to shield capacity to make viable. Hyperion: sig radius aside, this ship is even tighter on grid than Megathron, it also has a bonus that requires grid heavy modules to function. Change to armour hit point amount bonus (in line with Erebus), it might even make it to close combat in fleet engagement (yeah, I'm lying my arse off, it'll die before one cycle of MWD). Abaddon: /me refere to Nyxus' thread. Change to damage bonus instead of rate of fire is the first and most basic step. myrmidon: shouldnt be able to field 5 heavies, so dronebay is there to stay, could argue for 20% in hitpoints increase instead of 10% for drones drake: meh, no real opinion on that ferox: agree maelstrom: agree Hyperion: little clue about blasterships Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs Myrmiddon: It's got 5 turrets and no bonus for them. This along with capability for only medium drones makes it the least damaging of all BCs. It needs those heavy drones. Abaddon: It needs it for capacitor purposes more than anything else. - What am I listening to?
Dupac Corsets and Carebears Whips and Chains	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:18:00 - [187] Originally by: Butter Dog Originally by: dalmety we armarr are completely stuffed i thought the abaddon was gonna get 8/4/8 whats the point of 8/4/7 that dont give us much to play with without any kind of cap bonus all mids are gonna be filled with rechargers and boosters anyway. the bc looks good and i am happy with that but the abaddon is just another waist of space cant see any use for it tbh. tux said he likes the idea of people running out of cap in longer engagements due to the hp increase but its armarr that are really gonna suffer and its not like we have any secondary weapons to which we get bonuses for to rely on, i really thought we might get some kind of break in kali guess not. Is something preventing you fitting a cap booster? Devs were one step ahead of you on that one - that's why they gave it the smallest cargo capacity of any tier three - just to make absolutely sure it was completely useless.
Gorion Wassenar Caldari Tsurokigaarai Kimotoro Directive	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:20:00 - [188] Why does the Hyperion have 10% more Kinetic resist then all the othe BS's? Everything else for my race, pure sex. ------------------ CEO of TKI
Alex Harumichi Gallente Gradient Namtz'aar k'in	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:22:00 - [189] Originally by: Ithildin Myrmiddon: It's got 5 turrets and no bonus for them. This along with capability for only medium drones makes it the least damaging of all BCs. It needs those heavy drones. Yeah, the small drone bay of the Myrmidon hurts it, especially since it has no other damage bonus. Sure, you can field 3 x heavy and 2 x med, but that leaves you with no spares. We'll see.
Hectaire Glade Amarr Forum Jockey	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:22:00 - [190] Well, the Abbadon is going to be horribly disappointing, unless Tux really does have a major fix comming for Amarr (not just gimping down EAN, fix the real problem, base resists on ~all ships of 60% to the primary damage type). This is going to be the death of lasers. The new BCs look fantastic though, going to be great to see the BC class get an airing in PVP more, the new agility changes make them pretty nimble as well to turn (acceleration is a different issue). Mixed bag in the patch so far, lets see how the changes unravel in the next few weeks.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:23:00 - [191] Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Why does the Hyperion have 10% more Kinetic resist then all the othe BS's? Everything else for my race, pure sex. Why does the Abaddon have 10% more explosive resistance than the other BShips? - What am I listening to?
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:24:00 - [192] Originally by: Ithildin Myrmiddon: It's got 5 turrets and no bonus for them. This along with capability for only medium drones makes it the least damaging of all BCs. It needs those heavy drones. Abaddon: It needs it for capacitor purposes more than anything else. myrm: it still got 8 highslots, thats most likely 3 noses, coupled with a repair bonus you are looking here on a wear down strategy not gank with domi drone dps i suppose only real testing can resolve our different opinions on that one abaddon: yeah i realized that, but i'd rather give the abaddon more cap Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:26:00 - [193] Yeah, I wouldn't balance a ship around an overpowered module scheduled for nerfing. - What am I listening to?
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:28:00 - [194] Originally by: Ithildin Yeah, I wouldn't balance a ship around an overpowered module scheduled for nerfing. hehe true but afaik nos wont get nerfed in kali, so you cant ignore it either Originally by: Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
JoCool Caldari Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:34:00 - [195] Edited by: JoCool on 24/10/2006 19:34:46 Originally by: Udyr Vulpayne so basicly no work at all was done on the proposed abaddon of 2+ months ago when people where already complaining about exactly the same things. as no change was made and tux didnt bother to explain his ideas behind the ship i still have the same questions i had back then: - what is the supposed "new role" this ship will add to the amarrian fleet? - supposedly it will "tank better than an apoc" but the apoc will still have something it does better. seeing how the apoc isnt all that good in other departments besides tanking and it shares the same slotlayout i would like to know what the apoc will do better. - supposedly it will "gank better than a geddon" but the geddon will still have something it does better. now here i suspect that the geddon will be able to deal a bit less damage for a longer time due to the abaddons crappy cap. as i'm not sure thats what tux was aiming for though i would like to know his thoughts on this as well. same as with my other post i will obviosuly also be happy if some other dev decides to answer those questions in case tux cant be bothered. Alone for his awesome picture you should give this man an ear! _______________________________________________________________________ Trey Azagthoth > Youre my idol Jocool. I wanna be like Jocool jr. or Jocool the sequel! Oveur > ohnoes jocool
Plymer Ization ISS Navy Task Force Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:49:00 - [196] Originally by: Ithildin Originally by: Gorion Wassenar Why does the Hyperion have 10% more Kinetic resist then all the othe BS's? Everything else for my race, pure sex. Why does the Abaddon have 10% more explosive resistance than the other BShips? Every race has a 10% increase on the 'base' armour resists (60 EM/10 EXP/25 KIN/35 THERM)- Minnies get a 70% EM resist, Amarr get 20% explosive resist, Gallente get a 45% Thermal resist, and Caldari get 35% Kinetic resist.
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:54:00 - [197] To have 70% instead of 60% em resist on armor means an increase of 40% in resistances.
Stoye Barud Minmatar Mine Mine Mine	Posted - 2006.10.24 19:54:00 - [198] since somebody said that they dont want the raven hull on the rokh, here is a nice pic of the rokh ;) thanks god ... CALDARI GET 2 TOTALLY SYMETRICAL SHIPS ! OMGGGGGGGGG !!1!eleventy!!!!11! http://asgeirjon.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=8 and here is the hyperion http://asgeirjon.com/gallery/displayimage.php?album=5&pos=6 cheers !
Stoye Barud Minmatar Mine Mine Mine	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:04:00 - [199] Originally by: Tassi To have 70% instead of 60% em resist on armor means an increase of 40% in resistances. i think he means 10% added to the total resistance, not what is already
Tassi Infinitus Odium	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:11:00 - [200] Which still brings more advantage to minmatar because they recieve 40% resist bonus on EM.
Dr Fighter	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:14:00 - [201] Originally by: Tassi Which still brings more advantage to minmatar because they recieve 40% resist bonus on EM. Just leave it, by that resoning amarr get the least boost, but it doesnt seem to affect their uber armor tanks does it?
Sadist Rage and Terror Against ALL Authorities	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:21:00 - [202] Tux, wtf were you smoking when you made the Myrmidon? I think you left off a couple low slots a couple turret hardpoints and about 100 m3 drone bay. Please add them in Kali, thx. òòòòòòòòòòòò VIP member of the [23] Quote: - Numbers alone do not win a battle - No, but I bet they help.
Derrios Dirty Deeds Corp. Axiom Empire	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:23:00 - [203] gall drone BC w/ only a 100 drone space =\ ----------------------------------------------- Originally by: wierchas noobhunter hmm blowing ascn carebears in empire ? can i join ?
Spikum Gallente Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:27:00 - [204] Edited by: Spikum on 24/10/2006 20:27:39 ignore me
Dreez Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:28:00 - [205] Whats up with this constant crapbonus for Gallente... 7.5% armor rep. Ohhwell. I guess its just another 14pages long thread comming soon about the tier3 BS when it comes. There is NO WAY that you can compare the effectiveness of having resist bonus to rep-bonus. Having Tuxford fixing the blasters is like having a blind man teaching you how to drive - just wont work.
soonsvavzface	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:31:00 - [206] what are the req bs skill for the tier 3 ones ?
Imode Band of Builders Inc. Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:33:00 - [207] just racial bs level 3 ____________________________ Sig removed, lacks Eve-related content - Cortes
soon svavzface	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:44:00 - [208] Originally by: Imode just racial bs level 3 ok cool xD
DellBoy Express	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:53:00 - [209] the hyperion wont look like a megathron when it hits TQ right? when will it be made proper?
sr blackout Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.24 20:55:00 - [210] so how will carriers and other capital ships fend now? even with 50% boost to them its not enough... some of these faction/officer bs will have what current carrier hp is now... that is insane
Attak Trioptimum Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:16:00 - [211] Is it just me or does the Rokh look like it's a competitive blaster boat with the Hyperion? PG as it is, Rokh can fit a passive shield tank and have more room for fitting guns ect, plus put all kinds of good stuff in the five low slots. Sure, no damage bonus, but still...
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:19:00 - [212] Originally by: Laboratus Ditch the repair bonus on the Hyperion and replace it with the Mass/agility improvement discussed earlier. Or perhaps a 10%/lvl reduction in MWD cap use or something. A blaster boat needs speed. Not repping. Yeah 5% to afb and mwd speed boosting per lvl or some other speed related bonus.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:25:00 - [213] If Drake gets 7 launcher slots , give 7 launchers to Nighthawk as well. ?? And swap one launcher on ferox to a gun slot while we are at it. more purpose Increase drone space on myrmidon and decrease dmg bonus to reflect the intended 4/5 dmg of dominix. I dont know would 7.5% be the dmg bonus then. ??
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:30:00 - [214] seems everybody is whining about his races tier 3 bs. the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. i like it that every ship has its weakenesses - that makes the game more diffcult and more interesting. greetings, NW
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:45:00 - [215] Originally by: Nero Winger seems everybody is whining about his races tier 3 bs. the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. i like it that every ship has its weakenesses - that makes the game more diffcult and more interesting. greetings, NW you have a poin there. Just that there are lots of ppl who wish allout combat ships and not the kind of mission running ships we are getting. IMO that is the key why ppl whine about their view on the matter. Mine for instance is towards make hyerion the Blaster boat to be happy about. (im not saying its crap since I have not tested with new mods coming etc.) there are so many good mission running ships allready.
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:47:00 - [216] I would've liked to see the Harbinger without the 10% to Capacitor Need per level bonus. Now it seems like the other 3 have an extra bonus on top of the Harbinger. Can't you make it like a damage bonus or something? =============================================== We are Watching You.
Culmen Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:48:00 - [217] hey does anyone know what the hell a "heavy assualt missile" is? its on the drake discription _____________________________________________________
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:02:00 - [218] oh i have forgot only one thing. The abaddon ofc have cap problems because the turrets need cap like 2-3 large armor repairer running all the time (and another one to tank:)) as the apocs cargohold was designed to keep a lot of cap boosters in it i would suggest that the cargohold of the abaddon could be changed from 525m^3 to at least 650m^3 because the abaddon needs a lot more cap then a apocalypse and it has less cap then a apocalypse and therefore it needs a huge amout of cap booster that can last at least one battle long. than would be nice and quite fair i think. greetings, NW
Borothis Quishir V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:17:00 - [219] Originally by: Culmen hey does anyone know what the hell a "heavy assualt missile" is? its on the drake discription Its an assult launcher for heavy missles it was writen about in one of the dev blogs.
Changaroo State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:21:00 - [220] Originally by: Chode Rizoum does new bc seems badass... will there be a tech II version That is what I wondered too. But I can imagine that they don't have that in the pipeline for release yet. And yet another T2 BPO to go ape over. If I got it...hell, I would build and build and build and sell and sell and sell...the question to go monopolistic and hike prices beyond belief or be reasonable?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:25:00 - [221] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Nero Winger seems everybody is whining about his races tier 3 bs. the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. i like it that every ship has its weakenesses - that makes the game more diffcult and more interesting. greetings, NW you have a poin there. Just that there are lots of ppl who wish allout combat ships and not the kind of mission running ships we are getting. IMO that is the key why ppl whine about their view on the matter. Mine for instance is towards make hyerion the Blaster boat to be happy about. (im not saying its crap since I have not tested with new mods coming etc.) there are so many good mission running ships allready. Naah, I think the Rohk is actually quite nicely designed. It's got (IMO) a fairly good balance to make it exactly what it should be - a long range railboat.
Ezra Gallente Calista Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:32:00 - [222] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Laboratus Ditch the repair bonus on the Hyperion and replace it with the Mass/agility improvement discussed earlier. Or perhaps a 10%/lvl reduction in MWD cap use or something. A blaster boat needs speed. Not repping. Well said. I'd rather have the old MWD cap bonus back than this rep bonus. I don't like the idea of a module-specific bonuses that are 100% negated in deadspace. A 5% mass reduction bonus might be interesting though... Improves agility AND improves speed on both AB and MWD. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Calista Industries
res0nance Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:38:00 - [223] Edited by: res0nance on 24/10/2006 22:41:33 What the... The Abaddon has less cap than the Hyperion... and doesn't get a laser cap usage bonus. What on earth is up with that? And it has the least CPU but equal powergrid with Minmatar? O_o I think Amarr got screwed over in this one :(
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:42:00 - [224] Why is the portrait of thr rokh and hyperion not changed ???? Also the drone bays on the tier 3 bs is a dissapoitnemnt , how come none of them can carry a full set of heavies spechialy the hyperion or even the abadon?? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:48:00 - [225] So let me get this right: The Abaddon is supposed to deal less damage than the Armageddon, at the same ranges, with less staying power and no room for cap charges, while at the same time tanking worse than the Apocalypse and dealing just a bit more damage during the 2 minutes the cap will last. wow. that is a BPO my corp is NOT buying.
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:57:00 - [226] WAIT! I have seen the light! A ROF bonus on a ship without cap usage bonuses is sooo nice! Helps it become a sitting duck faster! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! It's not like Amarr need a damage bonus or something useful eh? Change Abaddon ROF to DMG Bonus for god's sake, as it is it can't fire for more than 30 seconds :/
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:11:00 - [227] Originally by: Kronarty WAIT! I have seen the light! A ROF bonus on a ship without cap usage bonuses is sooo nice! Helps it become a sitting duck faster! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! It's not like Amarr need a damage bonus or something useful eh? Change Abaddon ROF to DMG Bonus for god's sake, as it is it can't fire for more than 30 seconds :/ sure if you fit megas and 2 lars it will be a sitting duck in no time... but you are asking for it :P
DellBoy Express	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:11:00 - [228] hey im afraid here, please help me!!!!!!!!! i thought the hyperion was supposed to look like the one on the concept art page i been trainng gal cos i like the way there ship look, i dont want 2 the same :/ will it change b4 its released properly?
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:15:00 - [229] Originally by: Kronarty WAIT! I have seen the light! A ROF bonus on a ship without cap usage bonuses is sooo nice! Helps it become a sitting duck faster! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! It's not like Amarr need a damage bonus or something useful eh? Change Abaddon ROF to DMG Bonus for god's sake, as it is it can't fire for more than 30 seconds :/ Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays.....
res0nance Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:51:00 - [230] Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Fit a cap injector to fire our guns?! Are you joking? What are you on mate... Seriously. Wtf Abaddon.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:07:00 - [231] Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Fit a cap injector to fire our guns?! Are you joking? What are you on mate... Seriously. Wtf Abaddon. Hype will have to fit one for its mwd and guns, why not others forced to fit one? CEO - Art of War
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:21:00 - [232] Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Abaddons cargo bay is kinda small btw. And yeah,fitting a cap injector just to fire your guns? I think switching the rof to a damge bonus is a good idea,that lowers the damage done per cap. ____ ____ My english is bad.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:23:00 - [233] Originally by: Thud Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Abaddons cargo bay is kinda small btw. And yeah,fitting a cap injector just to fire your guns? I think switching the rof to a damge bonus is a good idea,that lowers the damage done per cap. Mega has to fit an injector just to fire it's blasters. 7x Ion IIs w/ void is like getting nossed with 3 heavy diminishing nos. Because I said so...
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:24:00 - [234] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Fit a cap injector to fire our guns?! Are you joking? What are you on mate... Seriously. Wtf Abaddon. Hype will have to fit one for its mwd and guns, why not others forced to fit one? I don't mind fitting one. But I have to fit 2 if I want to do anything besides shoot something. If you had to fit 1 cap booster for your guns, and 1 for the MWD you would complain too. Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Ho1iday	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:26:00 - [235] Hyperion is going to be a ***** fo fit. The PG is WAY low. a blasterboat needs: MWD, Cap booster. Then you have 8 guns + a tank. 8x Ions need 15k PG alone... then add the MWD, L armor rep, Cap booster... and you are WAY past the 20k mark. :(
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:28:00 - [236] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Thud Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Abaddons cargo bay is kinda small btw. And yeah,fitting a cap injector just to fire your guns? I think switching the rof to a damge bonus is a good idea,that lowers the damage done per cap. Mega has to fit an injector just to fire it's blasters. 7x Ion IIs w/ void is like getting nossed with 3 heavy diminishing nos. Oh right,t2 ammo. if you fit conflags on an abaddon you need 2 injctors to shoot. ____ ____ My english is bad.
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:37:00 - [237] Someone check my math. Abaddon with Megapulse using Conflag: 55 cap/s? Isn't that more than 2 large rep IIs? Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:53:00 - [238] Nope. 2 LAR2 need 71 cap/sec with max skills IIRC.
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:57:00 - [239] Originally by: Tuxford Errm thats higher than both the apoc and the armageddon. Actually the only tier 1 and tier 2 ships that outrange it is the Scorpion. The logic seems to be "longer locking range, smaller scan resolution" which, assuming 80km abaddon lock, is followed nicely on the T3 BS's except Maelstrom which has both better scan res AND longer locking than abaddon. One of those seems wrong, or have the Maelstrom been changed to 75km? (referring to the linked pictures) /Y
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:29:00 - [240] Originally by: Aramendel Nope. 2 LAR2 need 71 cap/sec with max skills IIRC. Ah, thanks Aramendel! Some comparisons w/ 3 damage mods TachyIIs/452IIs and Aurora/spike Abaddon: 110 cap/s Armageddon: 48 cap/s Apocalypse: 41 cap/s Rokh: 34cap/s Megathron: 30cap/s 3 damage mods, Megapulse/Neutrons, and Void/Conflag Abaddon: 55 cap/s Armageddon: 24 cap/s Apocalypse: 21 cap/s Hyperion: 19 cap/s Megathron: 17 cap/s And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion You can't tank the Abaddon with Lasers effectively because of cap use. You just don't have the cap to run anything else very effectively. Sure you can put ACs on it. But why should I put projectiles on the ship with no bonuses for them? Even close range it only matches the Geddon in damage, and it suffers from TWICE the cap cost. You rarely see geddons now, how is the Abaddon adding anything to the Amarrian fleet? Rokh and Hyperion really round out their racial ships. Cal and Gall BS are very different, and all have useful niches. Amarr need the same thing. Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:35:00 - [241] Originally by: Tiuwaz Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs No, 1400's would still be better, although it would be closer than today. Tach 4,5x dam mod * 1,25 = 5,625 (45 in total for 8 turrets) 1400 5,75x dam mod *1,05 (suggested change from tux) = 6,0375 (48,3 for 8, 45,3 for 6 on a tempest) /Y
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:37:00 - [242] Whoever was in charge of making the Abbadon is incompetent. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
BlackHorizon Caldari Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:39:00 - [243] Originally by: Berrik Radhok Whoever was in charge of making the Abbadon is incompetent. Agreed.
prathe Minmatar Omega Enterprises Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:39:00 - [244] i dunno if its just me but the new bs's look cool and all but the only ship on my mind is the hurricane me WANT NOW!!!!!
Strollers	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:44:00 - [245] Just wanted to say that I am pleased to have some new boats to fly and try new fits out on, I think the Dev's have done a good job. Was hearing too much whining about what everyone wants and started getting a headach.
Tiuwaz Minmatar Omacron Militia	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:00:00 - [246] Edited by: Tiuwaz on 25/10/2006 02:03:18 Originally by: Yamaeda Originally by: Tiuwaz Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs No, 1400's would still be better, although it would be closer than today. Tach 4,5x dam mod * 1,25 = 5,625 (45 in total for 8 turrets) 1400 5,75x dam mod 1,05 (suggested change from tux) = 6,0375 (48,3 for 8, 45,3 for 6 on a tempest) /Y combined with the natural better rof of tachs you will have a much better short term burst dmg tho, already after the 2nd volley aba is ahead aba can shot roughly 3 volleys in the time a mael would need to fire 2 (27s vs 25,5s) in a 30 sec fight that would be aba 135 dmg mod vs mael 96,6 dmg mod this means that the mael would have an advantage in short term dmg for 9 seconds by rougly 7%, after that the aba would rule Originally by:* Oveur This is not the conspiracy you are looking for.
Byzan Zwyth Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:45:00 - [247] the new caldari ships do stick out and look pretty uber, both will make some ships obsolite. The mini ships seem oretty average, Gallente ships look pretty good. The noew BC is awesome but does not step on the Brutix's toes. The amarr ships dont offer anything new, why would you use the New BS over the gedon? More DPS but NO tank at all because of a cap that will run dry twice as fast as the geddon? The new BC = a mini geddon? great... Cant the devs think of something new for amarr? Amarr ships are struggling as they are and the poor amarrians get more of the same. amarr pilots. Drop pants, bend over and bite something. This may hurt a little... ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective
Luric Vizjier The Legion of Spoon Curatores Veritatis Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 02:54:00 - [248] I'm personally going to fit Projectile Rigs to my future Abaddon so it can be semi effective. -----------------------------------------------
paeronsoda	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:19:00 - [249] The abaddon is the biggest joke i have ever seen, the geddon already struggles with cap use as do the entire amarr race that use lasers. Why would u use this ship and for what? Has the devs actually tested this ship? its unbelieveable it got onto sisi even. I guess its more important to give caldari some more dps with assualt missiles cuz the regular missiles are obviously not good enough!? The harbinger looks decent but with the current state of lasers and omni tanks, the HP-boost =longer fights means more cap use, it aint that great after all either. Amarr just blows and that the devs ignore this is just sad. Caldari/Gallente here i come! Its what the devs want you to do.
HankMurphy Pelennor Swarm Knights Of the Southerncross	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:47:00 - [250] CCP: BC's way to go BS's... still pretty good. Your certainly gonna make us work for our meals when it comes to good combat fits. Maybe you wanna take a look at some of the issues you yourselves have commented on..... Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. I'd have to say... you could make it up to us minnies w/ another 10m/s or added to Mstrom's base speed and seriously... whats the deal w/ the caldari love? Some kinda dev/player fraternization we should know about?
Jones Maloy Minmatar	Posted - 2006.10.25 03:51:00 - [251] ammar need .90 cap use multiplier and a 1.05 damage multiplier per level pretty much across the board. i think multipliers are the way to list stats. add them all together and then multiply by the base stat to get the modified stat. btw, eve item database modifiers are borked. i'm considering cross-training in ammar so i can really appreciate being minmatar. --- WCS Nerf boycott low-sec
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:05:00 - [252] May just be me but from the stats I have read and what people have told me the Abaddon is complete junk. Come on a 75m3 drone bay... Don't even get me started on its bonus's the better you are in a BS the worse it is everytime your gun shoots faster you just loose more cap, and alot of good 5% resistances do when you can;t even run the guns how am i ever gonna activate the armor repair???????
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:09:00 - [253] now i think is not that right to complain that abaddon adds nothing to amarr if you keep fitting it as an apoc or a geddon... is obvious that this ship is not an uber geddon... as said in other posts i think this is mostly a support/fleet ship... for fleet you don't need reps that much and passive tank is generally the way to go... and the ship have both passive tank bonus and dps... for closer range i think the design point more to a midrange ship something to use in 0.0 gatecamps or in small groups with a pair of tacklers... here an idea... (have not checked if it fit but is just to give an idea :P) 8 megapulse 1 cap booster, 3 tracking comp 2 damage mods, 5 mix of hards/plate webber, ecm or armor rep drones 20+k armor with good res and around 1k dps at over 20km or 700dps at 60km (far outside all close range guns) it doesn't seem that crap to me and in this support role it will be way better than both apoc and geddom....
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:14:00 - [254] Won't work i here 2 injectors cant even keep up with the guns.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:20:00 - [255] i'm not in sisi so i can't check... but 8 megapulse and no lar should run for 3-4 mins (and whitout using cap inj)
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:21:00 - [256] I'd try it as well but the Node is dead in aunenen
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:24:00 - [257] Ok now the game has frozen in the character log in, I may cry. BTW the devs dont hate us to much that BC looks to be awsome . Abaddon really needs somework though you can't design a ship for only fleet warfare, lets face the facts less then a quarter of EVE players fight in fleets.
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:24:00 - [258] Edited by: Thud on 25/10/2006 04:24:47 Originally by: Ath Amon now i think is not that right to complain that abaddon adds nothing to amarr if you keep fitting it as an apoc or a geddon... is obvious that this ship is not an uber geddon... as said in other posts i think this is mostly a support/fleet ship... for fleet you don't need reps that much and passive tank is generally the way to go... and the ship have both passive tank bonus and dps... for closer range i think the design point more to a midrange ship something to use in 0.0 gatecamps or in small groups with a pair of tacklers... here an idea... (have not checked if it fit but is just to give an idea :P) 8 megapulse 1 cap booster, 3 tracking comp 2 damage mods, 5 mix of hards/plate webber, ecm or armor rep drones 20+k armor with good res and around 1k dps at over 20km or 700dps at 60km (far outside all close range guns) it doesn't seem that crap to me and in this support role it will be way better than both apoc and geddom.... And after every short fight,you have to find a station that sells 800 cap charges. And,if you use a tachy fitting in fleets,you cant even finish a single fleet battle without running out of cap booster charges. ____ ____ My english is bad.
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:29:00 - [259] I full heartedly agree to that last post
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:32:00 - [260] Another key thing I just noticed.... why on earth does the minmatar ship have 21K powergrid and have like 80 more CPU then the Abaddon???? They need a lower Powergrid or amarr neds more CPU!
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:34:00 - [261] Originally by: LordVodka Another key thing I just noticed.... why on earth does the minmatar ship have 21K powergrid and have like 80 more CPU then the Abaddon???? They need a lower Powergrid or amarr neds more CPU! I brought that up in the first 3-4 pages, apparently because it's a "shield tanker"...
LordVodka	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:43:00 - [262] Ya so why do they need 21K power then!!!?!? amarr is armor tnak so we need 10000000000 power then.
Hitomi Ayame Royal Knights of Khanid Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:47:00 - [263] Originally by: Nyxus And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion Can someone verify this graph? It can't be accurate... if it is then someone needs to look at the Abbadon now! I'm supposed to completely kill any tanking possibilities, and have to fill my hold with cap charges, for almost identical or sometimes even less damage than an 'Geddon? On the other hand, looks like we've got a great new AC boat... - - - Hitomi Ayame, Lady Marshal, Royal Knights of Khanid The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting!
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:49:00 - [264] Originally by: Ath Amon as said in other posts i think this is mostly a support/fleet ship... Like the geddon and the apo. But not one of em is more than that. (apo is ok at pve,but im talking about pvp) Look at the Video section,lots of blasterthron/domi vids,Farjung,trey,lopez and others postet nices vids. Same for Tempest,damige vids for example. Watch those vids,look what those pilots are able to do with there ships. Amarr BS cant do that,they are just ok medium/long range support,all 3. If you want a BS that is able to do solo pvp as well you have too train for another race ,there is no other option atm. I think thats one reason why so mutch amarr pilots are so pist of atm. They have not trained Amarr BS up to be in a support role all the time while all the mega,domi and Tempest pilots have all the real fun. So more and more amarr switch to other races bs. ____ ____ My english is bad.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:52:00 - [265] Originally by: Thud Edited by: Thud on 25/10/2006 04:28:59 Originally by: Ath Amon i'm not in sisi so i can't check... but 8 megapulse and no lar should run for 3-4 mins (and whitout using cap inj) Oh great,4 minutes! And if you use a tachy fitting in fleets,you cant even finish a single fleet battle without running out of cap booster charges. nah with all the lag it will be ok in fleet :P maybe for fleet you can lose a bit of tankage for cap rechargers... something like.. 1 sensor booster, 2 tracking comp, 1 cap rec 1 pds, 2 dmg mods, 2 plates 2 cap rec should be enought to run megabeamsbeams maybe you can even loose a cap rec for another plate or sensor or even something like 2pds (or 1 pdu + cap rec) and 1 cap inj could work
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 04:52:00 - [266] Originally by: Hitomi Ayame Originally by: Nyxus And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion Can someone verify this graph? It can't be accurate... if it is then someone needs to look at the Abbadon now! Why should it be wrong? Abaddon has the same rof boni than the geddon, just a single turret more,that doesnt make that mutch difference. But the geddon has a way larger drone bay. ____ ____ My english is bad.
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:01:00 - [267] Originally by: Ath Amon nah with all the lag it will be ok in fleet :P maybe for fleet you can lose a bit of tankage for cap rechargers... something like.. 1 sensor booster, 2 tracking comp, 1 cap rec 1 pds, 2 dmg mods, 2 plates 2 cap rec should be enought to run megabeamsbeams maybe you can even loose a cap rec for another plate or sensor or even something like 2pds (or 1 pdu + cap rec) and 1 cap inj could work You can just use an armageddon than. Cheaper and you doesnt need the pds,you can use the lows for harderner and have the same resi as well after that. And you are able to shoot longer. ____ ____ My english is bad.
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:18:00 - [268] Originally by: Thud Originally by: Ath Amon nah with all the lag it will be ok in fleet :P maybe for fleet you can lose a bit of tankage for cap rechargers... something like.. 1 sensor booster, 2 tracking comp, 1 cap rec 1 pds, 2 dmg mods, 2 plates 2 cap rec should be enought to run megabeamsbeams maybe you can even loose a cap rec for another plate or sensor or even something like 2pds (or 1 pdu + cap rec) and 1 cap inj could work You can just use an armageddon than. Cheaper and you doesnt need the pds,you can use the lows for harderner and have the same resi as well after that. And you are able to shoot longer. geddon have 5k less pg, half the base armor, no res and need probably 1 more sensor booster for fleet the difference in base tanking between abaddon and geddon should be worth around 3 mods, i'll put another mod for the difference in target range and on top of that we should factor the 5k pg... sure abaddon will lose a big part of this (mod) advantage for cap, but should be still quite superior to the geddon, probably something like 2 more mods.... considering that they are both t1 ships (so fully insurable) and the gun fitting will be similar it seem pretty good even moneywise.
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:24:00 - [269] Half the base armor? You are comparing pre hp patch geddon with after hp patch abaddon. I belive you like the abaddon if you think it has 50% more armor. ____ ____ My english is bad.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:25:00 - [270] Edited by: keepiru on 25/10/2006 05:25:15 Originally by: Ath Amon half the base armor Arent you forgetting that Tier-3 BS stats are with the 50% HP Bonus applied? Edit: lol ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:30:00 - [271] uops :P mmmmm so "new" geddon should be around 8k armor right? ok let's say 2 mods for tanking instead of 3... it should still be quite better than the geddon
Lord Augustus	Posted - 2006.10.25 05:42:00 - [272] Originally by: HankMurphy CCP: and seriously... whats the deal w/ the caldari love? Some kinda dev/player fraternization we should know about? Caldari love?? just becouse we dont whine like girls it doesnt mean we dont get hit with the nerf bat. Check out the all new impressive javelin nerf !! Minmattar Whinners!! I Hate You So Much . The only ones with a reason to whine are ammarr
Theoraden Dark Cartel	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:20:00 - [273] I know why the Abbadon is so nerfd. Its cos they made you a fourth BS! Its called the Harbinger. Now theres the biggest unbalance of all. --- I have a Biatch called res0
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 06:22:00 - [274] You taken a good hard look at the Hurricane and Drake yet? Hint: they make the Harbinger look barely average ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Venkhar Krard	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:25:00 - [275] Remove one med slot from the Hurricane, one launcher slot frome the drake, add one turret on the ferox and the cyclone - there, balance..
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:29:00 - [276] No, not balance, just 4 ships not worth flying instead of 2 good ships and 2 not worth flying. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Hitomi Ayame Royal Knights of Khanid Order of the Khanid Crown	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:45:00 - [277] Originally by: Thud Originally by: Hitomi Ayame Originally by: Nyxus And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion Can someone verify this graph? It can't be accurate... if it is then someone needs to look at the Abbadon now! Why should it be wrong? Abaddon has the same rof boni than the geddon, just a single turret more,that doesnt make that mutch difference. But the geddon has a way larger drone bay. It's not that I think Nyxus is lying, or that I'm particularly suspicious of his math... I just have a hard time believing the CCP would give us something this bad. - - - Hitomi Ayame, Lady Marshal, Royal Knights of Khanid The Royal Knights of Khanid are now recruiting!
rodgerd Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:52:00 - [278] Originally by: Culmen hey does anyone know what the hell a "heavy assualt missile" is? its on the drake discription A recent most recent Caldari I-Win button. Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance.
rodgerd Gallente ClanKillers Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 07:55:00 - [279] Originally by: Derrios gall drone BC w/ only a 100 drone space =\ I don't see the problem. That's two flights of mediums, or a flight of mediums, a flight of lights, and replacements or utility/logistics drones. No, it isn't heavy drones and replacement heavy drones, but they're BS class weapons. Complaining we can't fit multiple flights of heavy drones would be like Caldari players whining they don't get cruise missiles on their BC. Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance.
Berrik Radhok GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:11:00 - [280] A Drake can do 80-90% of the damage of a cruise raven. Sig removed, inappropriate content - Cortes
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:14:00 - [281] A blaster Brutix can do 80-90% of the damage of a rail Megathron. And outdamages a number of popular Tempest setups. What's the news again? ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:15:00 - [282] Yes, but a drake has a ton less range, and lesser tank to BS weapons, no heavy nos, no drone bay.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:19:00 - [283] 25m3 drone bay on Drake actually. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Master OlavPancrazio Einherjar Rising Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:23:00 - [284] Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 25/10/2006 08:23:36 I meant insignifant, not "no drone bay". My bad.
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:41:00 - [285] Holy sh*t on a stick! Who in his right mind would ever climb into a Ferox after seing the new Caldari BC? This only emphasises that the Ferox is seriously under gunned... Anyway, I really like the looks of the Caldari BS stats and the Gallente BS stats. Will be interesting to give them a ride I wonder how the Amarr BS is to sustain its cap though, with double the cap usage from the guns I see it running out of cap really fast, though I suspect it will melt anything that gets in its way. The question is wich of those two options it is that will occur first. Regards /Doxs After almost half a year, why is my face just a '!' ? And please fix the Javelin T2 rail ammunition...
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:44:00 - [286] Originally by: Hoshi Seems that even with AWU 5 you are going to need a fitting mod to fit 8x 425mm II on a Rokh. 15000 * 1.25 = 18750 2625 * 0.9 * 8 = 18900 Maybe go down a size and gain some tracking, on small ships this is actually viable, the question is how much DPS you loose on large rails? And above all, can you recover that dps by fitting an extra dmg mod instead of the fitting mod? Regards /Doxs After almost half a year, why is my face just a '!' ? And please fix the Javelin T2 rail ammunition...
Doxs Roxs White Wolves Defence league The OSS	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:45:00 - [287] Originally by: Tuxford Originally by: Soyemia M storm cant fit full rack of those guns without fitting mod . Mstorm seems quite good in all other ways, thou I think that shield boost boni is useless for fleets. Its almost always worse than the Rokh's resistance bonus as well. Bonuses don't really need to be equal but Maelstrom doesn't really have much else going for it either. Well its a solid good ship but I can't help thinking its a bit subpar compared to other battleships. Maybe I'm just a whiner though. I dont get it, I though you were the one to set the stats? Why whine about them then? Could you not just bump it up a notch if you felt like it? Regards /Doxs After almost half a year, why is my face just a '!' ? And please fix the Javelin T2 rail ammunition...
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 08:49:00 - [288] Tux is is part game designer part sacrificial offering, TomB is still the big boss and has final say Afaik. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
mr order	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:13:00 - [289] Didnt We have a really good info page with tons of cool links on the forums here for all the kali test server screenshots, or did that one get spammed out?
Fon Revedhort Tion Astronautics	Posted - 2006.10.25 09:36:00 - [290] Sorry, if this has been already asked, but the question is: why do tier2 BC have MORE slots than tech2??
Waut 0utbreak	Posted - 2006.10.25 10:18:00 - [291] Originally by: Doxs Roxs Who in his right mind would ever climb into a Ferox after seing the new Caldari BC? This only emphasises that the Ferox is seriously under gunned... Yes, an extra turret and one less missile slot would make it a real railboat. That said, all the new BC's are brilliant. A good alternative for them overpriced HAC's I say Outbreak! F* Yeah! Coming again to save the motherf*ing day yeah! In Soviet EVE, roids pop YOU
Malak Sidious Minmatar Butcherbirds	Posted - 2006.10.25 10:52:00 - [292] Look I dont really care if Amarr never get diversity in it's ships. I dont care if they decide not to work with the Khanid designs. That's fine, stick with pure laser boats. But for god sakes, if they are the king of turret platforms, show it. Quote: My need to engage in homicidal behavior on a massive scale cannot be corrected, but, ah, I have no other way to fulfil my needs.
Omatje Minmatar Confederation of Red Moon Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:34:00 - [293] holy alphaminniebcinstapopperbatman! Looks like i'm going to fly Minnie BC's afterall:) Mael still has big fat NPC SHIP DONT USE IN FLEET all over it.
StarLite Amarr Evolution Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 11:51:00 - [294] The abbadon has enough PG to fit 8 Tach II's with only 1 RCU II [altho you don't have any pg left fr a repper or such]. Me likes :) _______________________________________________________________________ This sig is guarded by SigGuard(c)
Ketsuo	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:28:00 - [295] Well first of all I don't fly gallente ships but this might be an idea. Everyones Looking at the new BS as a blasterboat anyone ever think of it as a railboat setup instead? iono someone want to answer that?
Ithildin Gallente The Corporation	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:35:00 - [296] Originally by: Ketsuo Well first of all I don't fly gallente ships but this might be an idea. Everyones Looking at the new BS as a blasterboat anyone ever think of it as a railboat setup instead? iono someone want to answer that? It's got way too short lock range to make use of railguns' main advantage. - What am I listening to?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:37:00 - [297] Originally by: Master OlavPancrazio Edited by: Master OlavPancrazio on 25/10/2006 08:23:36 I meant insignifant, not "no drone bay". My bad. That's still 5 warrior IIs, and that'll do me :)
Wizzkidy	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:51:00 - [298] Originally by: StarLite The abbadon has enough PG to fit 8 Tach II's with only 1 RCU II [altho you don't have any pg left fr a repper or such]. Me likes :) good luck firing them for more then 1 minute without any boosters (oh you wont be able to fit one with 8 tachyons on) all I can say is that CCP have GIMPEd ammar ONCE AGAIN Im getting FED UP with CCP and tux more then anything refusing to answer ANY of the ammar problems and just ignoring the whole debate al together. I think its perthetic and im my eye I most likly wont be around for much longer
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 12:55:00 - [299] at the moment everybody is happy about getting new ships. me as amarr am not. why? the abaddon is useless. It has less cap than a apoc, less cargo than a apoc, it also has 8 turrets, thats cool only 7 lowslots (it will need at least 1 RCU for any fitting with tachyons so only 6 lowslots) btw it has a 25% RoF bonus (with bs lvl as i have it) but also a 25% more turrets cap use. i calculated and i see that the abaddon is not possible to fit in any useful way. ( turrets shooting all the time with standard 70-80 cap per shoot all 5.2 seconds means 600 capusage every 5.2 sconds (that is like 3 large armor repairer running all the time) with a large armor rep (now its 4) it is impossible to shoot and armor rep yourself more than 1,5 minutes. after that the lights are off and you are a huge (but nice looking) bunch of crap in the space. it is the same as i started to play before 1.6 years... the armagedon ruls and will ruls allwas as the only useful battleship for the amar race (not faction ones) and i am not upset and not surprized that the new amarr bs is crap. i am used to have this every new patch. amar nerfd. thanks god i allready started skilling minmatar...
Taurequis Waylander 01	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:14:00 - [300] Originally by: Wizzkidy Originally by: StarLite The abbadon has enough PG to fit 8 Tach II's with only 1 RCU II [altho you don't have any pg left fr a repper or such]. Me likes :) good luck firing them for more then 1 minute without any boosters (oh you wont be able to fit one with 8 tachyons on) all I can say is that CCP have GIMPEd ammar ONCE AGAIN Im getting FED UP with CCP and tux more then anything refusing to answer ANY of the ammar problems and just ignoring the whole debate al together. I think its perthetic and im my eye I most likly wont be around for much longer Mate really, You shouldnt get so worked up about 1 race being more sucky then the others. Its how it works and has worked for the last 3 odd years. This goes for everyone... There was a time when Amarr ships ruled, then another when caldari did, then another when minmatar did and then Gal. The Nerfbat swings wildly sometimes but in time all things come into acendency. Yes peeps should point out where they feel certain areas of balance should be adressed. But I feel your being a little short sighted in saying "amarr are poo and have always been and will always be poo so im quitting". Relax - stick around for a while and see what happens. Anyways... Back to the rabble. Taur
Kakk0 Warui	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:17:00 - [301] Hi, IÆm pretty new to Eve. But even before I downloaded the game I sort of new I wanted to be a battle cruiser pilot. This is because of the fleet support aspects of gang assist modules. I have played a support style character in every rpg I have played so far. I just find the game mechanics to be more rewarding that way. Anyways. I have noticed this thread seems to be taken all from a pvp point of view. I was just wondering if anyone had any information from a gang assist module stand point. I know some changes to these modules are coming, but IÆm not sure exactly what they are. Well, if anyone has any perspective on what my role in a gang or fleet might become with these new ships and changes. IÆd be interested to hear it. Thanks ^^
res0nance Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:17:00 - [302] I would hope that with all the negative feedback, Tux will be re-looking at the Abaddon. I mean, how could he not? (though it has happened before...)
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:19:00 - [303] All I can tell you is that tier-2 BCs do in fact have the bonus to gang assist mods. I don't think CCP has released concrete information on changes to gang assist mods and the way that the application of them is affected by the new structured gang system. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:21:00 - [304] Originally by: Kakk0 Warui Hi, IÆm pretty new to Eve. But even before I downloaded the game I sort of new I wanted to be a battle cruiser pilot. This is because of the fleet support aspects of gang assist modules. I have played a support style character in every rpg I have played so far. I just find the game mechanics to be more rewarding that way. Anyways. I have noticed this thread seems to be taken all from a pvp point of view. I was just wondering if anyone had any information from a gang assist module stand point. I know some changes to these modules are coming, but IÆm not sure exactly what they are. Well, if anyone has any perspective on what my role in a gang or fleet might become with these new ships and changes. IÆd be interested to hear it. Thanks ^^ learn now new skills for gangassist and learn them to the end, because when cali comes you will have some more months to learn all the new skills.
DuckM4n Vo	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:42:00 - [305] that drake is hotness! thought i wont tank as well as the ferox,i guess ill buy both.
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:44:00 - [306] Originally by: DuckM4n Vo that drake is hotness! thought i wont tank as well as the ferox,i guess ill buy both. Are you on drugs? Better hp, same resist bonus, less cap draw from weapons, 1 more mid... it tanks miles better than the ferox ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 13:48:00 - [307] i mean all amarr ships have laser cap use bonus, wouldnt it be easier to just make the laser waste less cap and give these por shippies other, new bonuses? :) quaetion to any GM
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 14:02:00 - [308] Originally by: Nero Winger i mean all amarr ships have laser cap use bonus, wouldnt it be easier to just make the laser waste less cap and give these por shippies other, new bonuses? :) quaetion to any GM No, because who would be the bottom rung of the ladder then?
Porter Hadlend Gallente Righteous-Indignation	Posted - 2006.10.25 18:37:00 - [309] I've got all sorts of concerns for the Hyperion, but most of them have been verbalized here. My major concern beyond that is for the Myrmidon. Now this is obviously taken from a Gallente pilot's perspective, however I can fly every race's ships... so I'm not too broken up about it except that I was really looking forward to it. The drone bay is my concern. No Hybrid bonus, No Heavy Drones. Smartbomb more or less means that you lose. It doesn't follow the time honoured tradition for Gallente Drone boats. The defining features of the drone boats are the bonus to HP and Damage, and the bonus to drone capacity. Sure it can tank like no other Drone boat thus far, barring the dominix obviously, but as soon as it runs into someone who either targets and destroys it's drones or smartbombs them, it's a dead duck. The Ishtar can hold 10 heavies, 5 mediums and 5 lights, the Vexor can hold more drones, the Dominix is, as my corp mate put it, the Bermuda Triangle of Dronebays. They go in and disappear and come out some time during combat. It's rediculous to assume that 100m3 of drone bay with no hybrid bonus is going to provide enough firepower. I still remain optimistic for it however, and I do plan on flying one. Especially with the agility bonus. Just needs a few adjustments... like many of the new ships. --------------
Kanuo Ashkeron Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:06:00 - [310] Edited by: Kanuo Ashkeron on 25/10/2006 19:08:12 Edited by: Kanuo Ashkeron on 25/10/2006 19:07:15 I think if you compare the cap between Hyperion and Abaddon you have to think about that the hyperion will get a 25% cap penalty from the mwd. That means it will have the worst cap recharge rate of all tier 3 bs. On the other hand the Abaddon will have the highest cap recharge rate of all those ships. As Cap Rechargers II should become cheaper, a few of them in the mids would do some wonder at the Abaddon. In my opinion the powergrid of the Hyperion is thight but not too tight. I have more issues with cpu. On most setups I tried I had to sacrifice at least 2 slots to low cpu modules (cap rechargers, cap relays ..) to fit all in. And I have electronics 5 and weapon upgrades 5 :). Finally I think it¦s impossible to fit a decent amount (3-4) of active hardners to this ship. Maybe this isn¦t that good idea either. To sum up, I would suggest to increase the cpu maybe by 10-20 tf. Kanuo
Aversin Gallente Roving Guns Inc. RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:17:00 - [311] pictures arn't working can someone please post the stats in an updated picture? :( Originally by: Razner Cerizo They will never quit. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
Itanis Contraband Inc. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2006.10.25 19:27:00 - [312] Originally by: Hectaire Glade This is going to be the death of lasers. Lasers have been dead and buried since they've been on the constant butt of the nerf brand tommy gun whip complete with rubber bullets, tear gas grenade launcher, and water hose attachments. Originally by: Nero Winger the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. Every Amarr ship needs a fitting mod because every Amarr ship is pretty much inherently impossible to fit unless you don't fit lasers. The Abaddon HAS no strengths. It's outclassed on tanking from the apoc and outclassed on damage by the geddon. Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Yes, the Abaddon has a lovely gigantic cargo bay. Rivalling the Iteron V! My god, it's so huge. This was sarcasm, just in case you're denser than the nucleus of an atom. Originally by: Ath Amon now i think is not that right to complain that abaddon adds nothing to amarr if you keep fitting it as an apoc or a geddon... around 1k dps at over 20km or 700dps at 60km (far outside all close range guns) it doesn't seem that crap to me and in this support role it will be way better than both apoc and geddom.... It DOESN'T add anything to Amarr, though. On the final point: Because fleets really engage frequently at 60km. Originally by: Tiuwaz Edited by: Tiuwaz on 25/10/2006 02:16:17 Originally by: Yamaeda Originally by: Tiuwaz Abaddon: not gonna happen, would give abaddon the best alpha strike with tachs No, 1400's would still be better, although it would be closer than today. Tach 4,5x dam mod * 1,25 = 5,625 (45 in total for 8 turrets) 1400 5,75x dam mod *1,05 (suggested change from tux) = 6,0375 (48,3 for 8, 45,3 for 6 on a tempest) I think you're forgetting the fact that 1400s can pretty much choose their damage types and Amarr are locked into the fantastic and saucy world of EM damage, which isn't exactly all that fantastic just so you know.
Kruel Blunt Force Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:19:00 - [313] The Myr needs 125m3 dronebay at least. 100m3 isn't that much of an improvement over the Vexor. Sure it's got more guns, but I don't want more guns, I want more drones!
Von Munhausen Caldari Automated Industries	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:27:00 - [314] Edited by: Von Munhausen on 25/10/2006 20:31:43 Off to open new post warning new players regarding amarr "do not bother rolling ammar". I am totaly ****ed off about the time i spent learning the most useless weapon in game lasers. And what did they say in this dev post it is ok? bah It surely looks awesome - like a realy nice golden statue with lights on it :) Off to save new player This quote about amarr (too lazy to go and paste) - so true
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.10.25 20:56:00 - [315] Originally by: Itanis I think you're forgetting the fact that 1400s can pretty much choose their damage types and Amarr are locked into the fantastic and saucy world of EM damage, which isn't exactly all that fantastic just so you know. Oh, i haven't forgotten at all. My suggestion was simply to change the +RoF to +5% damage. It'll easy the cap problems some and it'll get improved alpha at the cost of slightly lowered dps. Thus it wouldn't really compete with the apoc and arma as much as it currently does and it'll have a slightly changed role (added flavour). Abaddon - alpha and burst damage (then cap death) Armageddon - high dps Apocalypse - sustainable dps /Y
Idara Caldari Cutting Edge Incorporated RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2006.10.25 21:43:00 - [316] The Abaddon has 1 turret more than the geddon. Will cost twice as much. The price you pay in cap exhaustion isn't made up by the damage it will be outputting on a ship that is much more expensive.
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.25 22:04:00 - [317] it anyway does not make any sense on complaining amarr race. I tried this before a half a year (or something like that) and everybody laugh at me tand pointed out that amarr is the best race ingame (lol?). Today it is the same thing, everybody remembers the time when amarr wwas uber with some ships and nobody sees the reality... amarr is crap today. As i heard of kali i thought my self that they will upgrade amarr finally and the first time since i play eve and then i saw the statistics of the new battleships and whop..... what did i decide? i decided not to waist any more time on skilling amarr (allthough i allready have bs on 5 and large T2 turrets). I am now skilling minmatar and laugh over my stupidity that i ever tried to skill amarr. Will skill amarr dread in some months and thats all for amarr.
Byzan Zwyth Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.25 23:10:00 - [318] yeah, after taking another look at the ships the Minmatar options are looking good. Caldari did get the best but I dont really want to fly caldari even though they have pretty much everything they need. ---------------------- I fly Amarr and Gallente ships Amarr because they peow peow - and look cool... Gallente because they are effective
InnerDrive Black Lance Dusk and Dawn	Posted - 2006.10.26 00:30:00 - [319] Can u explain how come the hyperion got LESS power than the megat?? (1525O vs 15500). The hyperion has 1 more turret slot so if anything it needs MORE power than the megaT. Thats unless the ships is designed to fit medium blasters ? This ship will never fit neutron blasters thats for sure.. Makes ya wonder why neutron blasters even exist if a ship designed to be a blaster boat cant even fit em..
Eela Moonshadow	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:28:00 - [320] What are the requirements to fly the drake?
Kanuo Ashkeron Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:37:00 - [321] Originally by: InnerDrive Can u explain how come the hyperion got LESS power than the megat?? (1525O vs 15500). The hyperion has 1 more turret slot so if anything it needs MORE power than the megaT. Thats unless the ships is designed to fit medium blasters ? This ship will never fit neutron blasters thats for sure.. Makes ya wonder why neutron blasters even exist if a ship designed to be a blaster boat cant even fit em.. 8x Neutron T2 100MN MWD T2 Large Cap Booster T2 2x Named Stasis Webber (i think X5) Named Warp Scrambler (i think Faint Epsilon) Large Armor Repper T2 3x EANM T2 RCU CPU T2 I know it¦s a little bit crap with 2 fitting mods, but it works. Kanuo
Now Mary	Posted - 2006.10.26 07:58:00 - [322] Originally by: Kanuo Ashkeron Originally by: InnerDrive Can u explain how come the hyperion got LESS power than the megat?? (1525O vs 15500). The hyperion has 1 more turret slot so if anything it needs MORE power than the megaT. Thats unless the ships is designed to fit medium blasters ? This ship will never fit neutron blasters thats for sure.. Makes ya wonder why neutron blasters even exist if a ship designed to be a blaster boat cant even fit em.. 8x Neutron T2 100MN MWD T2 Large Cap Booster T2 2x Named Stasis Webber (i think X5) Named Warp Scrambler (i think Faint Epsilon) Large Armor Repper T2 3x EANM T2 RCU CPU T2 I know it¦s a little bit crap with 2 fitting mods, but it works. Kanuo No damage mods? Hah, please. If you are reading a post by this character, it's probably because I'm too lazy to select my main. Try not to lose any sleep over it, mkay?
Inanara	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:01:00 - [323] I am profoundly underwhelmed with the Gallente Battleship.. Why would I leave a megathron for it? It has 25 less drone capapcity, less Lows and less overall power.. and one more mid? BFG.. I can't see it being terribly popular.. And the Megathron only occasionally tempts me to leave a Domi.. This ship should be a better Domi.. That is all..
Kanuo Ashkeron Eve Defence Force Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:17:00 - [324] Originally by: Now Mary No damage mods? Hah, please. That¦s right. And in my opinion this is the problem of the hyperion. You have too less cpu. PG is ok. But it needs more cpu, so u don¦t need those cpu-upgrades. Even with an ion fitting you can¦t use all your mid and low slots with cpu-intensive modules. Kanuo
Evy Scira	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:45:00 - [325] Originally by: Eela Moonshadow What are the requirements to fly the drake? Wellll..Caldari Frigate four is a good start, then Cruiser four, maybe missile launcher three, standard missile three, and heavy missiles to at least one or two.
Eela Moonshadow	Posted - 2006.10.26 08:52:00 - [326] Ah, Thank you, the whole "Tier 2" was throwing me off.
Jevnikar	Posted - 2006.10.26 10:23:00 - [327] Some probably mentioned this, but i'll do it anyway, hopfuly ccp notice this and maybe fix before TQ release. shoutout to CCP Hyperion with the only purpes of being CLOSE RANGE BLASTER BOAT with 15250 pg by default so we alredy draw a conclusion neutrons are out of the question. Here comes the bugger amarr tend to whine this days about thair boats alot, now thay'r getting boat with 21k pg, oh and mega pulses only take like "3xy" more pg then neutrons, thay almost fit without any skillls. Was this a joke or does any offical care to explain how thay pictured this. Anothere thing i would like to ask while writing this is, what happens to deimos now, it's alredy the slowest hac by default get's 2 or 3 spots when using mwd but still. Now the fallof and range are short and the dmg is reduced oh and we cant eaven get in noone's range anyway.
Gee'Kin Tha Specialz	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:30:00 - [328] nice, good to see some new ships to add to my collection :P cant wait --------------------------------------------> Plz tickle my brain. I wanna have a Brainfart ! -------------------------------------------->
Mayalla Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.26 11:56:00 - [329] Can someone tell me or post a link to a page where there are skill requirements for Harbinger? Cause, i guess, if you have the skills for Prophecy you'll have to learn some aditional skills or aditional levels of existing skills to be able to fly it. I also noticed Harbinger has 2 times more armor then Proph, so it has to: 1. cost much more then Proph, and 2. have more learning (or a lot more) then for Prophecy...
keepiru Supernova Security Systems	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:06:00 - [330] It doesn't have 2x the armor. You're forgetting that all BCs got a 50%+ HP boost in Kali 1. And being a Tier-2, Tech I BC, it needs the same skills as the proph, except for Battlecruisers II. ---------------- Please fix BC Sig/Agility!
Mayalla Amarr The Drekla Consortium New Eve Order	Posted - 2006.10.26 12:59:00 - [331] Originally by: keepiru It doesn't have 2x the armor. You're forgetting that all BCs got a 50%+ HP boost in Kali 1. And being a Tier-2, Tech I BC, it needs the same skills as the proph, except for Battlecruisers II. Not that i forgot that, i didn't even know it. Because, it was kinda strange to me that Proph has 3,4k armor and Harbinger has 6,5k! With same resistances...
Jim McGregor Caldari	Posted - 2006.10.26 13:14:00 - [332] Edited by: Jim McGregor on 26/10/2006 13:14:34 Does the download of the pictures from eve-files work for you? Currently I cant view them, and ive tried to upload them again with different names. Still cant view them. Same for everybody else, I assume. Probably something with eve-files? --- Eve Wiki \| Eve Tribune \| Eve Pirate
BillyBong2 Amarr Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2006.10.26 14:47:00 - [333] On the Harbinger, what is the low slot layout, the link from the first page has a cluster warning over top of it. 4 ot 5? Lows, this is the Amarr Battlecruiser. _________________________ Originally by: DB Preacher The only time BoB's backs are to the wall is when backdoor bandit is in local.
Goumindong Amarr Merch Industrial	Posted - 2006.10.26 15:26:00 - [334] Originally by: Mayalla Originally by: keepiru It doesn't have 2x the armor. You're forgetting that all BCs got a 50%+ HP boost in Kali 1. And being a Tier-2, Tech I BC, it needs the same skills as the proph, except for Battlecruisers II. Not that i forgot that, i didn't even know it. Because, it was kinda strange to me that Proph has 3,4k armor and Harbinger has 6,5k! With same resistances... Harbinger doesnt have the same resistances, its has 5%/level worse than the prophesy. Anyway, people here were asking about the harbinger, so ill re-up the info from the pics that can be found somewhere around here. 10% Medium Energy Turret Cap use/Level 5% Rate of Fire for Lasers[medium?]/level Slot layout High: 8 Medium: 4 Low: 6 CPU: 375 PG: 1500 Guns: 7 Missiles: 0 Drones: 50m3 Shield: 4219 / 1000 seconds Armor: 6563 Structure: 5625 [Base Amarr Armor Resists 60/20/25/35] [Base Shield Resists 0/60/40/20] Capacitor: 2500 /600 seconds Target Range: 50 km Max Locks: 6 Scan Resolution: 210 Radar Strength: 16 Signature Radius: 265 Which kinda suprised me for an Amarr ship, but then i saw the stats for the Hurricane and figured it out....
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:14:00 - [335] If the Harbinger isn't going to have 8 turret slots it needs to be 7/4/7 Traditional Amarr ships have more low slots than thier racial counterparts. Give the Harbinger 7/4/7. Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö Originally by: Tuxford I love how you guys can take stats from a test server that is few months out of date and then panic over them. Gee, wonder why..
Isyel Minmatar Masuat'aa Matari Ushra'Khan	Posted - 2006.10.26 16:23:00 - [336] All i'm going to say is. I don't ever want to read that "artillery can choose damage kind" kind of BS ever again. If i do i swear i'll claw your eyes out and then make you eat them. Ever seen Matari T2 ammo? It's explosive and kinetic, sure, it's a good mix, just don't say we can choose it. And since T2 is a must when it comes to artillery. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I be needin' some sig love. sigh
entaru adun	Posted - 2006.10.27 21:23:00 - [337] is it just me or have there been no complaints about the caldari ships? oh right,must be because as usual caldari get the thought-out ship and the rest get stuck with even worse ships then there predecesors(spell check)
Khan Soriano Beyond Divinity Inc	Posted - 2006.11.02 09:25:00 - [338] Originally by: Nyxus If the Harbinger isn't going to have 8 turret slots it needs to be 7/4/7 Traditional Amarr ships have more low slots than thier racial counterparts. Give the Harbinger 7/4/7. Nyxus No thx, leave it as it is!!! Seriously don't tinker with Harbinger, play with something else. I want to have at least one useful new ship when Kali arrives and I've lost all hope for Abaddon long time ago. If DEVs wanted to change it they would do so after the stats leaked and everyone on forums kept saying 'omfg cap usage!!!111'. They didn't, so either they are lazy (changing 1 line of code to do something else than 5% ROF) or they have a plan (which will fail miserably but nobody will admit that when it does). Either way we're screwd because as always they will fix things in a year or so, just like ECM. So if I were you I wouldn't buy Abaddon BPO beacause after the first batch of ships nobody will want one. Be a good sport though and buy Harbinger BPO
Miss Scout	Posted - 2006.11.02 10:22:00 - [339] Missile boat without bonus to missile velocity looks like bad joke... Caldari BC: +5 ROF +10 MV imho
Trevedian Amarr KR0M The Red Skull	Posted - 2006.11.02 21:49:00 - [340] Sweeeet! And a bump... Sex0r > you're bounty turns me on.. you seem like the kind of amarrian to dominate me

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