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Attak Trioptimum Storm Armada	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:16:00 - [211] Is it just me or does the Rokh look like it's a competitive blaster boat with the Hyperion? PG as it is, Rokh can fit a passive shield tank and have more room for fitting guns ect, plus put all kinds of good stuff in the five low slots. Sure, no damage bonus, but still...
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:19:00 - [212] Originally by: Laboratus Ditch the repair bonus on the Hyperion and replace it with the Mass/agility improvement discussed earlier. Or perhaps a 10%/lvl reduction in MWD cap use or something. A blaster boat needs speed. Not repping. Yeah 5% to afb and mwd speed boosting per lvl or some other speed related bonus.
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:25:00 - [213] If Drake gets 7 launcher slots , give 7 launchers to Nighthawk as well. ?? And swap one launcher on ferox to a gun slot while we are at it. more purpose Increase drone space on myrmidon and decrease dmg bonus to reflect the intended 4/5 dmg of dominix. I dont know would 7.5% be the dmg bonus then. ??
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:30:00 - [214] seems everybody is whining about his races tier 3 bs. the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. i like it that every ship has its weakenesses - that makes the game more diffcult and more interesting. greetings, NW
Glarion Garnier Solar Wind	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:45:00 - [215] Originally by: Nero Winger seems everybody is whining about his races tier 3 bs. the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. i like it that every ship has its weakenesses - that makes the game more diffcult and more interesting. greetings, NW you have a poin there. Just that there are lots of ppl who wish allout combat ships and not the kind of mission running ships we are getting. IMO that is the key why ppl whine about their view on the matter. Mine for instance is towards make hyerion the Blaster boat to be happy about. (im not saying its crap since I have not tested with new mods coming etc.) there are so many good mission running ships allready.
Scoundrelus Unseen Jihad	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:47:00 - [216] I would've liked to see the Harbinger without the 10% to Capacitor Need per level bonus. Now it seems like the other 3 have an extra bonus on top of the Harbinger. Can't you make it like a damage bonus or something? =============================================== We are Watching You.
Culmen Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp. Ascendant Frontier	Posted - 2006.10.24 21:48:00 - [217] hey does anyone know what the hell a "heavy assualt missile" is? its on the drake discription _____________________________________________________
Nero Winger Destructive Influence Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:02:00 - [218] oh i have forgot only one thing. The abaddon ofc have cap problems because the turrets need cap like 2-3 large armor repairer running all the time (and another one to tank:)) as the apocs cargohold was designed to keep a lot of cap boosters in it i would suggest that the cargohold of the abaddon could be changed from 525m^3 to at least 650m^3 because the abaddon needs a lot more cap then a apocalypse and it has less cap then a apocalypse and therefore it needs a huge amout of cap booster that can last at least one battle long. than would be nice and quite fair i think. greetings, NW
Borothis Quishir V I R I I Center for Disease Creation	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:17:00 - [219] Originally by: Culmen hey does anyone know what the hell a "heavy assualt missile" is? its on the drake discription Its an assult launcher for heavy missles it was writen about in one of the dev blogs.
Changaroo State War Academy	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:21:00 - [220] Originally by: Chode Rizoum does new bc seems badass... will there be a tech II version That is what I wondered too. But I can imagine that they don't have that in the pipeline for release yet. And yet another T2 BPO to go ape over. If I got it...hell, I would build and build and build and sell and sell and sell...the question to go monopolistic and hike prices beyond belief or be reasonable?
James Lyrus Lyrus Associates Interstellar Starbase Syndicate	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:25:00 - [221] Originally by: Glarion Garnier Originally by: Nero Winger seems everybody is whining about his races tier 3 bs. the problem is you can not have a perfect battleship. fitting mods for the tier bs of gallente (not good?) the abaddon will need also a fitting mod ofc. by the way it does not have a laser cap bonus which means it is nearly imposible to tank and shoot at least not without a lot cap relays. 700 cap all 5.2 seconds with tachyons II will damn hurt you cap. but it is ok, every ship needs its stenghts and weakneses, if every ship would be perfect in doing one kind of battle then only skill would decide who wins. and that means players from 2003 are the best ones. i like it that every ship has its weakenesses - that makes the game more diffcult and more interesting. greetings, NW you have a poin there. Just that there are lots of ppl who wish allout combat ships and not the kind of mission running ships we are getting. IMO that is the key why ppl whine about their view on the matter. Mine for instance is towards make hyerion the Blaster boat to be happy about. (im not saying its crap since I have not tested with new mods coming etc.) there are so many good mission running ships allready. Naah, I think the Rohk is actually quite nicely designed. It's got (IMO) a fairly good balance to make it exactly what it should be - a long range railboat.
Ezra Gallente Calista Industries	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:32:00 - [222] Originally by: Alex Tremayne Originally by: Laboratus Ditch the repair bonus on the Hyperion and replace it with the Mass/agility improvement discussed earlier. Or perhaps a 10%/lvl reduction in MWD cap use or something. A blaster boat needs speed. Not repping. Well said. I'd rather have the old MWD cap bonus back than this rep bonus. I don't like the idea of a module-specific bonuses that are 100% negated in deadspace. A 5% mass reduction bonus might be interesting though... Improves agility AND improves speed on both AB and MWD. ------------ Ezra Cornell pe0n, Calista Industries
res0nance Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:38:00 - [223] Edited by: res0nance on 24/10/2006 22:41:33 What the... The Abaddon has less cap than the Hyperion... and doesn't get a laser cap usage bonus. What on earth is up with that? And it has the least CPU but equal powergrid with Minmatar? O_o I think Amarr got screwed over in this one :(
Yazoul Samaiel Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:42:00 - [224] Why is the portrait of thr rokh and hyperion not changed ???? Also the drone bays on the tier 3 bs is a dissapoitnemnt , how come none of them can carry a full set of heavies spechialy the hyperion or even the abadon?? "There is no such thing as innocence , only different degrees of guilt"
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:48:00 - [225] So let me get this right: The Abaddon is supposed to deal less damage than the Armageddon, at the same ranges, with less staying power and no room for cap charges, while at the same time tanking worse than the Apocalypse and dealing just a bit more damage during the 2 minutes the cap will last. wow. that is a BPO my corp is NOT buying.
Kronarty Amarr Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2006.10.24 22:57:00 - [226] WAIT! I have seen the light! A ROF bonus on a ship without cap usage bonuses is sooo nice! Helps it become a sitting duck faster! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! It's not like Amarr need a damage bonus or something useful eh? Change Abaddon ROF to DMG Bonus for god's sake, as it is it can't fire for more than 30 seconds :/
Ath Amon	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:11:00 - [227] Originally by: Kronarty WAIT! I have seen the light! A ROF bonus on a ship without cap usage bonuses is sooo nice! Helps it become a sitting duck faster! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! It's not like Amarr need a damage bonus or something useful eh? Change Abaddon ROF to DMG Bonus for god's sake, as it is it can't fire for more than 30 seconds :/ sure if you fit megas and 2 lars it will be a sitting duck in no time... but you are asking for it :P
DellBoy Express	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:11:00 - [228] hey im afraid here, please help me!!!!!!!!! i thought the hyperion was supposed to look like the one on the concept art page i been trainng gal cos i like the way there ship look, i dont want 2 the same :/ will it change b4 its released properly?
d'hofren Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:15:00 - [229] Originally by: Kronarty WAIT! I have seen the light! A ROF bonus on a ship without cap usage bonuses is sooo nice! Helps it become a sitting duck faster! WHAT A GREAT IDEA! It's not like Amarr need a damage bonus or something useful eh? Change Abaddon ROF to DMG Bonus for god's sake, as it is it can't fire for more than 30 seconds :/ Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays.....
res0nance Blind Vengeance	Posted - 2006.10.24 23:51:00 - [230] Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Fit a cap injector to fire our guns?! Are you joking? What are you on mate... Seriously. Wtf Abaddon.
Nebuli Caldari Art of War Cult of War	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:07:00 - [231] Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Fit a cap injector to fire our guns?! Are you joking? What are you on mate... Seriously. Wtf Abaddon. Hype will have to fit one for its mwd and guns, why not others forced to fit one? CEO - Art of War
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:21:00 - [232] Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Abaddons cargo bay is kinda small btw. And yeah,fitting a cap injector just to fire your guns? I think switching the rof to a damge bonus is a good idea,that lowers the damage done per cap. ____ ____ My english is bad.
murder one Gallente CRICE Corporation Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:23:00 - [233] Originally by: Thud Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Abaddons cargo bay is kinda small btw. And yeah,fitting a cap injector just to fire your guns? I think switching the rof to a damge bonus is a good idea,that lowers the damage done per cap. Mega has to fit an injector just to fire it's blasters. 7x Ion IIs w/ void is like getting nossed with 3 heavy diminishing nos. Because I said so...
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:24:00 - [234] Originally by: Nebuli Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Fit a cap injector to fire our guns?! Are you joking? What are you on mate... Seriously. Wtf Abaddon. Hype will have to fit one for its mwd and guns, why not others forced to fit one? I don't mind fitting one. But I have to fit 2 if I want to do anything besides shoot something. If you had to fit 1 cap booster for your guns, and 1 for the MWD you would complain too. Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Ho1iday	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:26:00 - [235] Hyperion is going to be a ***** fo fit. The PG is WAY low. a blasterboat needs: MWD, Cap booster. Then you have 8 guns + a tank. 8x Ions need 15k PG alone... then add the MWD, L armor rep, Cap booster... and you are WAY past the 20k mark. :(
Thud Caldari Mad-Warping-Maniacs	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:28:00 - [236] Originally by: murder one Originally by: Thud Originally by: res0nance Originally by: d'hofren Fit a cap injector, this is the whole reason you amarr have decent cargo bays..... Abaddons cargo bay is kinda small btw. And yeah,fitting a cap injector just to fire your guns? I think switching the rof to a damge bonus is a good idea,that lowers the damage done per cap. Mega has to fit an injector just to fire it's blasters. 7x Ion IIs w/ void is like getting nossed with 3 heavy diminishing nos. Oh right,t2 ammo. if you fit conflags on an abaddon you need 2 injctors to shoot. ____ ____ My english is bad.
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:37:00 - [237] Someone check my math. Abaddon with Megapulse using Conflag: 55 cap/s? Isn't that more than 2 large rep IIs? Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö
Aramendel Amarr Queens of the Stone Age	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:53:00 - [238] Nope. 2 LAR2 need 71 cap/sec with max skills IIRC.
Yamaeda	Posted - 2006.10.25 00:57:00 - [239] Originally by: Tuxford Errm thats higher than both the apoc and the armageddon. Actually the only tier 1 and tier 2 ships that outrange it is the Scorpion. The logic seems to be "longer locking range, smaller scan resolution" which, assuming 80km abaddon lock, is followed nicely on the T3 BS's except Maelstrom which has both better scan res AND longer locking than abaddon. One of those seems wrong, or have the Maelstrom been changed to 75km? (referring to the linked pictures) /Y
Nyxus GALAXIAN Rule of Three	Posted - 2006.10.25 01:29:00 - [240] Originally by: Aramendel Nope. 2 LAR2 need 71 cap/sec with max skills IIRC. Ah, thanks Aramendel! Some comparisons w/ 3 damage mods TachyIIs/452IIs and Aurora/spike Abaddon: 110 cap/s Armageddon: 48 cap/s Apocalypse: 41 cap/s Rokh: 34cap/s Megathron: 30cap/s 3 damage mods, Megapulse/Neutrons, and Void/Conflag Abaddon: 55 cap/s Armageddon: 24 cap/s Apocalypse: 21 cap/s Hyperion: 19 cap/s Megathron: 17 cap/s And when you look at the damage it's nothing spectacular for over twice the cap cost on an Arma, or THREE times the cap cost of a Hyperion You can't tank the Abaddon with Lasers effectively because of cap use. You just don't have the cap to run anything else very effectively. Sure you can put ACs on it. But why should I put projectiles on the ship with no bonuses for them? Even close range it only matches the Geddon in damage, and it suffers from TWICE the cap cost. You rarely see geddons now, how is the Abaddon adding anything to the Amarrian fleet? Rokh and Hyperion really round out their racial ships. Cal and Gall BS are very different, and all have useful niches. Amarr need the same thing. Nyxus It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö

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