Oh man... so much for that Mega/Zyd speculation... glad I saw the devblog quick and was able to dump to sells.

Hey, what about lowering the other 6 requirement to 3/2 and keep with the current mega and zyd make eve cheaper!


I quited mining 3 years ago when they nerving the Anomaly sites needed probing and a few others nerfs. all benefits to the PVP.
Giving PVP players a hard **** fetching us.

Because OH BOY. mining is hard work!!! NOT Make u go do other stuff and get lazy

Not mention the ships we have. LOL thats a joke about time get a tier4 or get our survey scanner a buff. But nahhh.


No u cant have my stuff.

Null mining will not be a thing until you make it possible. Currently an interceptor can be in system and in the belt/anoms in under 30 seconds. change them so that all belts/anoms need to be scanned down first.

Null mining will also not be viable until you fix the Rorqual. Currently, it is a useless capital as it not even any good for pos deployment anymore.

It also makes it much easier for players to decide what ore to mine if they find themselves in need of a specific mineral.

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All these changes only address one side (and the less important one of) of why null mining isn't happening.

Mining as it is, is a very uninteractive activity. You need a bunch of people sitting in a belt for hours, who can do nothing but drag ore from their bay. At the same time you need someone to clear the rats (who gets to do nothing for ~30min, then be active for 2) and if you plan to defend from PvP enemies, you need a sizable gang on standby (which is supremely boring).

The suggestion brought by others to make ore sites (in null only) require scanning is a great one.

Secondly the exhumers (or at least 1-2 of them or a new class of mining ships) need to be redesigned with the idea of nullsec defensive combat. This doesn't just mean lots of tank, because a helpless ship with lots of tank will just get ground down eventually. They need to actually be able to protect themselves, something like bonuses and slots to allow fitting of undersized weapons (or RLMLs) that would allow a pack of exhumers to not be a pushover for a smaller number of inities or a torp bomber drop. For example adding a max 3 fitted to strip miners, and adding turret/launcher highs, more mids and bonusing small weapons on the hull, but reducing warp speed to make them undesirable offensively.

Another idea would be to gate the ore production through availability not time to harvest, much like exploration sites. Make it an intense, high ISK/hr activity where it makes sense for combat and mining players to work together in a group over a short span with high rewards.

Ok serious post.

Has anyone at CCP considered just what the changes to Megacyte production cost is going to do to HS Production? There is no "mining" source of Megacyte in HS, the markets in highsec only hold a supply 25% of current demand. After changes the market supply will be effectively 25%. The only source of HS Megacyte was gun minning which CCP nerfed by nearly 45% last year. It doesn't take a degree in math to show that a 200% increase to the requirements of Megacyte are impractical and unsustainable at current levels, let alone when you compound future changes to Sov, any Fatigue Rebalancing.

HS will need a source of Megacyte, as will Lowsec. If the goal is to make self sufficiency a thing, then it should be applied to all areas of space. Otherwise.

Its game over man, game over.

Ok serious post.

Has anyone at CCP considered just what the changes to Megacyte production cost is going to do to HS Production? There is no "mining" source of Megacyte in HS, the markets in highsec only hold a supply 25% of current demand. After changes the market supply will be effectively 25%. The only source of HS Megacyte was gun minning which CCP nerfed by nearly 45% last year. It doesn't take a degree in math to show that a 200% increase to the requirements of Megacyte are impractical and unsustainable at current levels, let alone when you compound future changes to Sov, any Fatigue Rebalancing.

HS will need a source of Megacyte, as will Lowsec. If the goal is to make self sufficiency a thing, then it should be applied to all areas of space. Otherwise.

Its game over man, game over.

Don't get me wrong i like changes to sov, and i like these changes, but this is only going to nuke HS production.

Ok serious post.

Has anyone at CCP considered just what the changes to Megacyte production cost is going to do to HS Production? There is no "mining" source of Megacyte in HS, the markets in highsec only hold a supply 25% of current demand. After changes the market supply will be effectively 25%. The only source of HS Megacyte was gun minning which CCP nerfed by nearly 45% last year. It doesn't take a degree in math to show that a 200% increase to the requirements of Megacyte are impractical and unsustainable at current levels, let alone when you compound future changes to Sov, any Fatigue Rebalancing.

HS will need a source of Megacyte, as will Lowsec. If the goal is to make self sufficiency a thing, then it should be applied to all areas of space. Otherwise.

Its game over man, game over.

However I am not against the idea of giving highsec some sort of limited direct acces to those two minerals.

Highsec doesn't really need a source of megacyte. Interregional trade is the backbone of quite a few industries. I'd sure love for all moon minerals to be available in my backyard, but, alas, it is not to be. Highsec will survive with the least-used mineral being a little harder to get.

no its get out of high sec and go to null sec.. hello mcfly!.. these changes are for null to attract people..
no one gives a stink about high sec right now.. its about how we're to build these damn new structures coming.. so HTFU and just deal with it.
I want to know when is the damn rorqual fix coming.. but they stay dodging and cloaking up the subject.

Kind of an odd thing to say in a thread about changing the system so NS is able to be self sufficient.

It's a move towards more self-sufficiency, not the ironclad guarantee of self-sufficiency. Right now, nullsec imports nearly all of its materiel. Now with this, it can import a little less.

Nullsec only imports because people do not use the space they claim ownership of. Thousands of m3 of Ore go uncollected every single day simply because people don't set foot in the systems....

in other words.
"We import from HS, because we don't mine it ourselves."

Nah -- it's vastly more effort efficient to import, and contemporary mining is such bad isk/hr that no sane person would denigrate themselves by doing it. The changes should help the latter.