Also, there's not enough ore for self-sufficiency in nullsec static belts.

Hell, there is no arkonor in Deklein at all, and only 6 systems spawn Bistot.

See some of my other posts for more debunking of this ridiculous idea that static belts will cut it for nullsec self-sufficiency.

Actually, I think there is already sufficient ore in null sec for self-sufficiency. Has been for several years now. What there is NOT in null sec, is any good reason to spend the time/effort to mine it all. Plenty of players in null sec, just not many miners - I've rarely seen an empty belt in null sec, while they are a common sight in high sec. As others have stated, a null sec player can make much more ISK/hr doing many other things, and with less risk.

So, the only real reason why high sec produces more trit and other low-end minerals is because there are simply more players mining in high sec - the reward/risk payoff is comparable to, or better than, other high sec activities. Doesn't really matter how you tweak the high:null ore/mineral ratios, you'll still find players mining all day in high sec.

Perhaps, then, to get more mining done in null sec, what really needs to happen is for all other null sec sources of ISK farming to be nerfed, across the board, until they have a comparable or lower ISK/hr payoff than null sec mining. This includes reducing the rewards on belt ratting, mission running, exploration, etc.

Sure, it would be unpopular, at first, and the tears would flow, along with the screams (nothing new about that, but, hey, adapt or go play WoW, right?). But, I don't think null sec self-sufficiency is ever going to be reached by just continuing to tweak the minerals in and processing of null sec ore, or by trying to link sov in some way to mining. Self-sufficiency requires more players to mine. More players mining in null sec will only happen if there isn't anything easier and more profitable for them to do to farm ISK.

Most long term players actually have significant gaps in their play time. Lots of people I know of have just dropped the game for months when it gets boring, then come pick it back up later when a new release makes things a bit more interesting.

Fighting over space that literally makes less than highsec mission running? No thanks. If space suddenly was worth less than highsec?

No matter which side of the argument you are on this type of thinking is awful. Would it be okay to cut your paycheck by 50% if we buffed the paycheck of your neighbor since you live in the same general area...NO!

Especially if your neighbor has a completely different job than yours. Yes there may be some crossover in terms of income from each yet they remain different jobs being done by different people.

Supercaps, maybe, but caps? Caps are a dime a dozen. No one is going to stay subbed just because they have a podunk 2b isk carrier farting around in their hangar.

Sure there is. It just depends on how you define "self-sufficiency".

If you define "self-sufficiency" as the ability to build an endless, ever-growing number of supercaps and/or T2 ships, then I'll agree that no place in EVE is self-sufficient.

But, that really isn't a good definition, particularly for a game that wants to encourage conflicts. Tthere *should* be a definite cap on resources, to ensure more conflicts over them - after all, the main reason we have conflict in RL is due to a finite amount of resources. Cut the number of moon goo souces in half - set them up to respawn in new locations every 3-6 months, and we'd see a lot more conflict in null... lol.

Well, they certainly do exist somewhere in null, since ABC roids don't exist at all in high sec. Unless all of the megacyte and zydrine in high sec is coming from reprocessed meta modules only - in which case, null can source from the same reprocessed modules dropped by rats.

So, says the super-rich player... lol.

And, bad math on your part, too... shame, shame, particularly for a member of the Goonswarm Warfare Economic Cabal.

At 800M per PLEX, and $10-15 USD per month sub cost, this means that a 2B ISK carrier would be worth $25-37.50 USD each - or $300-450 per dozen. (assuming that my math is correct; I'm sadly not a member of any economic group)

The only people who assign real-world value to spaceships are journalists, and that is only so people who have no idea of the scope of Eve: Online can relate.

Increasing Zydrine and Megacyte consumption in manufacturing.
This is a fairly simple change, but it will have some significant effects. As we said on the o7 show, we are doubling the Zydrine and Megacyte consumption of almost all blueprints in the game. This will bring the universe-wide consumption of Zydrine and Megacyte closer to some of the original designs for overall mineral consumption, and will provide a very significant boost to Nullsec (including wormhole) and to a lesser extent Lowsec mining.

You mine ALL the ore in the anomaly so you can get another anomaly.

Please understand that. It has been distorting the mineral supply in the game for years. Null miners DO NOT get to choose what ore they mine, they are spoon fed what to mine by game mechanics.

Doubling the demand will put upward pressure on Zydrine and Megacyte temporarily, but as long as Nullsec miners can keep the spigots open by spawning new anomalies they will continue to overproduce. Zydrine and Megacyte will not maintain their value until they return to being the production bottleneck.

Okay this is definitely whats up... our little 'sandbox' universe has become a box of 'quicksand'...

: )

Yes, level 4s and Incursions are still skewing risk-reward Eden-wide. That can of worms won't ever be fixed, however.

No, they don't.

http://twostep4csm.blogspot.com/2012/03/its-econmony-stupid.html

Hisec Level 4s and Incursions take a substantial, if not the majority, part of the above.

And 78472828129030281 yolo-swag supers and carriers ratting in 929375 anomalies per null-system have nothing to do with it.

And 78472828129030281 yolo-swag supers and carriers ratting in 929375 anomalies per null-system have nothing to do with it.

But our first of his name, guardian or the realms, defender of the two kingdoms and king of nullsec only wants all his members to have 2532 capitals per account and fly nothing below.

If they would just stop building them like candy, they would have ample of supply of ships to fly around.

In Jan 2012, 91.63% of Incursion payouts were in High sec, 3.31% low sec, 5.07% null sec.

No matter which side of the argument you are on this type of thinking is awful. Would it be okay to cut your paycheck by 50% if we buffed the paycheck of your neighbor since you live in the same general area...NO!

Especially if your neighbor has a completely different job than yours. Yes there may be some crossover in terms of income from each yet they remain different jobs being done by different people.

The part that you are missing is that we do have ample supplies of ships to fly around GÇö we just import them from empire. The (super)capitals that we make are also 98% built from imported empire minerals. The point of this change is to make that 98% figure go down some.

I have a posting challenge for you. Try to make a post that furthers your argument without using hyperbole or mentioning Goonswarm Federation or The Imperium in any way.

Except you already have sufficient materials in the static belts to utterly replace all highsec sources. Since static belts have at least comparable low ends to a highsec belt as well as some additional high ends.

Doesn't take away from the fact that Level 4s and Incursions in Empire space have triple the income of mining in the same space, while also being equals to Nullsec incomes involving either missions or ratting.

Except you already have sufficient materials in the static belts to utterly replace all highsec sources. Since static belts have at least comparable low ends to a highsec belt as well as some additional high ends.

It is nothing to do with what materials are available to you in Null, it's to do with isk/hour. You choose to only rat/anoms/sigs since they give more isk/hour than mining ever will, and thus do not have the miners in Null to actually properly utilise your static belts. Also the years of all Null organisations using most industrialists for LOLZ, with recruitment gank scams and other such things being common if you aren't already in the alliance and one of their cap producers.

This change is just a hand out of income to the few null miners that exist who brainlessly turn over anoms with no thought at all, since as has been pointed out you need to mine the entire anom, so you don't even have to care about market forces like high sec miners do. At the expense of high sec miners probably who already earn a low enough income it doesn't need any kind of nerf. As well as a general price increase for all ships & modules with increased mineral requirements.

TLDR version.
Static Belts have always had all the material needed, Mining Anoms are what actually caused the 'problem' by causing mindsets to become very fixed into 'Anoms and nothing else' mining.

Except you already have sufficient materials in the static belts to utterly replace all highsec sources. Since static belts have at least comparable low ends to a highsec belt as well as some additional high ends.

The point of ore prospecting sites is to promote density in nullsec. Allowing more players to make a living in a smaller amount of space lets more people enjoy nullsec, and provides more food for PVPers to feast upon. It's win/win.