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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:06:36 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:INFLATION DOESN'T EXIST, IT'S A HOAX BY THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP US DOWN..
Calm down sir, somebody will be here to pick you up shortly.
D.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:12:17 -
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Petition to change the title of this thread
to "I'm jealous and I want things to
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:13:38 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:You type a lot of words for no real effect. Tell me again, what is stopping anyone from coming to HS to get that dank isk/hr. Nothing. Thats right. If its so freaking awesome...go do it (i know you personally said you do, thats groovy).
Spend a few days running incursions, make some dank isk, then go back to playing the game in whatever fashion you chose to play.
or
Whine for the sake of whining.
Option C: advocate CCP figure out it's PVE aspect so as to make the game better for everyone, including the High Sec pve crowd that is too short sighted to see how the imblance screws them (by attracting people like me who would rather LIVE in sov null but who can't resist making twice as much isk in safety, thus taking up finite incursion fleet slots high sec PVErs could be enjoying).
Quote: Changing Incursions will not magically get people to move, just like changing production didn't get people to magically move...producers just rolled the extra cost to HS manufacturing back into the cost of an item...same isk/hr, and still living in HS. The mining changes won't magically move people to NS, they will just go on to something else, or eat the lower income.
No one wants unwilling people to move. We want to be able to live in the space we fight for (or scan donw in the case of wormholes, or simply inhabit in the case of low sec). Having alts chained to high sec for easy isk making is not good game design.
You high sec types (and you talk like one) should want us gone. That you don't speaks to the short sightedness I mentioned earlier.
Quote: People play in HS because they like HS, they don't go to NS because...wait for it...they have no desire to, and nothing CCP does, will change that. 75% of people live in HS for a reason...and I can assure you that its not all because of isk/hr. I know I don't live in HS because of isk/hr, I live in HS because it is centrally located and I have equal opportunity access to everything in any direction. Why would I want to live in Tenal or PB or any of the other "ass end" of the universe regions, it makes absolutely no sense for me to do so, when I can literally go anywhere in EVE from a central location, in pretty well equal time to every single corner.
You've pinned your worldview on the idea that someone cares where you play. Nothing could be further than the truth. And not everyone plays in HS because they want to, they do so because in the quest for enough isk to both plex and pay for fun ships, High Sec is the 2nd best option going (FW missions being the 1st). Solving the imbalance (that you could observe for yourself but choose to remain ignorant of) makes the situation better for everyone, as everyone gets to 'play they way they want to'.
Quote: Not all people play for isk/hr, and if that is your thing, then stop complaining and go do more incursions and win at EVE in your own way.
Isk is a tool, how you acquire it is important to the overall game. As it is now, the system (the core risk reward system CCP bases damn near everything on) is broken almost everywhere (like for example,using anomalies as the core of the systems upgrade scheme was a bad move).
Sorry if people who actually understand the issue liking to talk about it offends you. You'll just have to get over it i guess.
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:14:09 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Lan Wang wrote:Dracvlad wrote:
This is a classic rant, the thing was that some of us wanted to run challenging missions as a team, level 4's are actually a laugh when you do it with a small fleet but only a very few missions are a challenge and to do that one has to shoot all the triggers, but level 5's in hisec were for a brief period a lot of fun for us, and then the risk reward player killers did their whining and they got them removed from hisec . Thanks for your work in making PvE boring for us...
whats broing? the fact you cant make nullsec income with concord protection? if your bored then move to somewhere more fun, its not really hard is it Concord does not exist in null sec are you some sort of wombat? There was some nice missions that required team effort and some people whined and got them moved to lowsec, for a brief period some people had a lot of fun doing them as a group, but people whined and the fun was removed from us all because people could not find anything to kill in lowsec because they killed off anyone who went in there.. And people now do level 4's as a group every so often and have fun blowing up the damsel, or setting all the triggers off for something challenging in PVE in hisec... EDIT: The correct thing to have done was give some extra reward for the ones in lowsec, but CCP are not clever at times...
Yep. The move of lvl 5s to lowsec came on at a time when the "fruition" of killing everything that moved in lowsec for no reason came, and suddenly all the bored lowseccers, instead on congratulating each other on their victory over an entire region of the game, cried out together to make CCP move lvl 5s in hope that bling boats would gloriously wander into the lowsec gate camps.
And that never happened. And there was much wailing and gnashing of the teeth.
Bring back DEEEEP Space!
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:16:08 -
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Danalee wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:INFLATION DOESN'T EXIST, IT'S A HOAX BY THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP US DOWN.. Calm down sir, somebody will be here to pick you up shortly. D.
Well i never said that. But inflation in a closed economy is highly irrelevant. In the real world high inflation is bad because it lowers the value of a nations currency vs competitor nations. Resulting in more expensive imports, and less lucrative exports. Since EVE has no competitive currency market, ISK can be worth absolutely nothing in valuation. So ya it kind of is a hoax in the game since it has absolutely no positive or negative impact on the health of the economy as whole.
About the only thing impacted would be PLEX conversion, but fun fact, PLEX is mandatory to experience EVE, it is a secondary option for a variety of Cash transactions. If you can't afford a PLEX...get a job and pay the sub. |
Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
1734
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:21:16 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Danalee wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:INFLATION DOESN'T EXIST, IT'S A HOAX BY THE GOVERNMENT TO KEEP US DOWN.. Calm down sir, somebody will be here to pick you up shortly. D. Well i never said that. But inflation in a closed economy is highly irrelevant. In the real world high inflation is bad because it lowers the value of a nations currency vs competitor nations. Resulting in more expensive imports, and less lucrative exports. Since EVE has no competitive currency market, ISK can be worth absolutely nothing in valuation. So ya it kind of is a hoax in the game since it has absolutely no positive or negative impact on the health of the economy as whole. About the only thing impacted would be PLEX conversion, but fun fact, PLEX isn't mandatory to experience EVE, it is a secondary option for a variety of Cash transactions. If you can't afford a PLEX...get a job and pay the sub.
Well technically some people would be more impacted by inflation than others. Mostly whoever makes his ISK outside of the market. Bounties and mission rewards (ISK not LP) don't scale with inflation while anything that goes through the market does. The population being hit the hardest by inflation? Ratters who don't loot/salvage. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:34:57 -
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Jenn aSide wrote: Option C: advocate CCP figure out it's PVE aspect so as to make the game better for everyone, including the High Sec pve crowd that is too short sighted to see how the imblance screws them (by attracting people like me who would rather LIVE in sov null but who can't resist making twice as much isk in safety, thus taking up finite incursion fleet slots high sec PVErs could be enjoying).
This is a pretty bottom of the barrel argument. If you want to come do incursions cool, its a first come first served system, if other people don't like that you are taking up a spot, they can make their own fleet, or X up before you do. Hardly indicative of an imbalance.
Quote:No one wants unwilling people to move. We want to be able to live in the space we fight for (or scan donw in the case of wormholes, or simply inhabit in the case of low sec). Having alts chained to high sec for easy isk making is not good game design. You high sec types (and you talk like one) should want us gone. That you don't speaks to the short sightedness I mentioned earlier.
That is a personal choice, there is no mechanic in the game forcing you to come to HS to do incursions. You can in fact make enough isk/hr to PLEX your accounts or w/e you want living in NS. You choose to come to HS, CCP in no way makes you. In regards to wanting you gone.. Why should I want that, it literally has no impact on the game whatsoever if you live in NS and play in HS, so I really could care less, and most HS folks feel the same, your presence in HS is of 0 concern to anyone. Period.
Quote:You've pinned your worldview on the idea that someone cares where you play. Nothing could be further than the truth. And not everyone plays in HS because they want to, they do so because in the quest for enough isk to both plex and pay for fun ships, High Sec is the 2nd best option going (FW missions being the 1st). Solving the imbalance (that you could observe for yourself but choose to remain ignorant of) makes the situation better for everyone, as everyone gets to 'play they way they want to'.
Yes CCP cares where I play, they have in fact stated numerous times over the past year they are going to be making some sweeping changes to encourage people to move to NS, Industry revamp, mining revamp, upcoming sov revamp all for the sake of making NS more attractive. Now I don't care about players opinions on where I live, but CCP is currently in the process of revamping NS pretty much from the ground up just for this very reason. What CCP doesn't get is that most folks in HS just have no desire to live in NS at all, CCP can make it as lucrative as they want and many many people will still not move. Some might, most won't.
Quote:Isk is a tool, how you acquire it is important to the overall game. As it is now, the system (the core risk reward system CCP bases damn near everything on) is broken almost everywhere (like for example,using anomalies as the core of the systems upgrade scheme was a bad move).
The system is far from broken, you can make more than enough ISK to live and thrive in every region in this game as of today. There is no one forcing you to play in any region of space, you choose that of your own free will. You chose to live in NS, and you choose to PVE in HS...that is cool and nothing wrong with that, and again is not indicative of any imbalance. There is no law that states NS must have the highest isk/hr, there is no law that states NS must at all times be the most dangerous space. The only thing that needs be balanced is the ability for players to earn a living that is either at or above the cost of living in the region they so choose to reside in. If you want to commute for more ISK/hr then by all means continue to do so, that choice however does not mean NS is some wasteland where it is impossible to earn an income, every area in this game is entirely self sufficient in terms of pure isk generation...balance.
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Speedkermit Damo
Demonic Retribution The Initiative.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:50:45 -
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All those thousands of Supercaps, the proliferation of which ruined nullsec.
I'll wager that a larger proportion of those were funded by running incursions.
Protect me from knowing what I don't need to know. Protect me from even knowing that there are things to know that I don't know. Protect me from knowing that I decided not to know about the things that I decided not to know about. Amen.
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Ma'Baker McCandless
The McCandless Clan
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:54:10 -
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Mario Putzo wrote: Yes CCP cares where I play, they have in fact stated numerous times over the past year they are going to be making some sweeping changes to encourage people to move to NS, Industry revamp, mining revamp, upcoming sov revamp all for the sake of making NS more attractive.
Lots of good, god-fearin folk have no interest in movin to null because of the sheer numbers of unpleasant anti-social guntrolls and creepmiesters. The coming doom of CVA is a case in point.
This aint sumthin CCP can or if they lost their minds would want to change. |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2015.04.28 16:57:17 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:All those thousands of Supercaps, the proliferation of which ruined nullsec.
I'll wager that a larger proportion of those were funded by running incursions.
Which is irrelevant, the issues with Supers/Titans is CCP attempted and failed, at balancing through cost. They were severely short sighted in the fact they did not for see groups of people making Coalitions to massively ramp up production of and protection of these Iwin button ships. What ruined NS was Coalitions....something that was arguably inevitable because Dominion Sov pretty much demanded you have as many bodies available for defensive operations as possible.
How Supers were funded is literally at the bottom of the ladder in terms of the issues NS faced. They system was ultimately designed in such a way that it was inevitable to have 2 huge power blocs casting a death stare at each other. The same outcome would have occurred even if Supers and Titans didn't even exist in the game at all. |
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
881
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:07:03 -
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Speedkermit Damo wrote:All those thousands of Supercaps, the proliferation of which ruined nullsec.
I'll wager that a larger proportion of those were funded by running incursions.
Sorry I think you are wrong, I would wager that the majority of Supers and Titans are owned by people who are in the alliances that directly controlled the Tech during the critical period of its imbalance, and while a significant number of supers may have been funded by Incursions its is totally dwarfed by those funded by moon goo enriched alliances...
Its the Technicium imbalance that screwed up Eve, Incursions are the equivalent of peeing in a rain storm...
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Danalee
Somalian Coast Guard Authority The Marmite Collective
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:17:47 -
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Thread is about HISEC incursions.
Please stop strolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you.
D.
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:31:37 -
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Danalee wrote:Thread is about HISEC incursions. Please stop trolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you. D.
Thread is over, HS incursions are fine as they are, nothing forces you to do them, nothing prevents you from doing them. We can move on to the next nullbear tearjerker anytime now I think |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15734
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:33:29 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:All those thousands of Supercaps, the proliferation of which ruined nullsec.
I'll wager that a larger proportion of those were funded by running incursions. Sorry I think you are wrong, I would wager that the majority of Supers and Titans are owned by people who are in the alliances that directly controlled the Tech during the critical period of its imbalance, and while a significant number of supers may have been funded by Incursions its is totally dwarfed by those funded by moon goo enriched alliances... Its the Technicium imbalance that screwed up Eve, Incursions are the equivalent of peeing in a rain storm...
Most of our corps caps were bought after tech was nerfed and by the pilots not by the corp. My own 7 bil dread and 2.3 bil megathron were entirely funded from highsec level 4 missions. No bat cap was funded via tech money, that is not what it was used for.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:36:44 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Danalee wrote:Thread is about HISEC incursions. Please stop trolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you. D. Thread is over, HS incursions are fine as they are, nothing forces you to do them, nothing prevents you from doing them. We can move on to the next nullbear tearjerker anytime now I think
It's only over for people who don't understand why the issue is important, and why people who reportedly don't even participate in the activities under discussion want to come to conclusions without even trying out the content is baffling to me.
Get some credibility, the tell us when it's over.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
15734
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:37:18 -
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Danalee wrote:Thread is about HISEC incursions. Please stop trolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you. D.
There is no derailing here. Highsec incursions have an impact outside of highsec.
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Lan Wang
Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:37:46 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:Danalee wrote:Thread is about HISEC incursions. Please stop trolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you. D. Thread is over, HS incursions are fine as they are, nothing forces you to do them, nothing prevents you from doing them. We can move on to the next nullbear tearjerker anytime now I think
its only over because you want it to be, and that does not solve the issue
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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine Second-Dawn
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:42:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Dracvlad wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:All those thousands of Supercaps, the proliferation of which ruined nullsec.
I'll wager that a larger proportion of those were funded by running incursions. Sorry I think you are wrong, I would wager that the majority of Supers and Titans are owned by people who are in the alliances that directly controlled the Tech during the critical period of its imbalance, and while a significant number of supers may have been funded by Incursions its is totally dwarfed by those funded by moon goo enriched alliances... Its the Technicium imbalance that screwed up Eve, Incursions are the equivalent of peeing in a rain storm... Most of our corps caps were bought after tech was nerfed and by the pilots not by the corp. My own 7 bil dread and 2.3 bil megathron were entirely funded from highsec level 4 missions. No bat cap was funded via tech money, that is not what it was used for.
And I knew you would say something like that, the imbalance created such an advantage in terms of cash reserves that it created the capital assets that you have now by its affect, you sure don't have much of a strategic overview of such matters do you baltec1, you talk like a grunt.
Incursion runners did of course fund major purchases with these funds, that is for certain, especially with ISboxer, but it pales into insignificance compared to the imbalance that has really screwed up the game.
Danalee even the pet ISD would not see that as out of context, but be a child if you must...
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Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:45:49 -
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Lan Wang wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:Danalee wrote:Thread is about HISEC incursions. Please stop trolling/derailing or I'll be forced to report you. D. Thread is over, HS incursions are fine as they are, nothing forces you to do them, nothing prevents you from doing them. We can move on to the next nullbear tearjerker anytime now I think its only over because you want it to be, and that does not solve the issue
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you. They are balanced by the limited number of people able to fleet up for them.
The only thing folks keep leaning on is risk/reward, which is about as relevant as **** on a bull. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:50:10 -
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Dracvlad wrote:
And I knew you would say something like that, the imbalance created such an advantage in terms of cash reserves that it created the capital assets that you have now by its affect, you sure don't have much of a strategic overview of such matters do you baltec1, you talk like a grunt.
Incursion runners did of course fund major purchases with these funds, that is for certain, especially with ISboxer, but it pales into insignificance compared to the imbalance that has really screwed up the game.
Danalee even the pet ISD would not see that as out of context, but be a child if you must...
Back when we had the tech monopoly we did not have the largest super fleet. So, how exactly did the tech monopoly fund their even bigger super fleet?
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:51:56 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you.
Thats the problem. Why would we spend more isk, time, effort and risk so much more in null when we can earn twice as much in highsec and enjoy the protection of concord?
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:53:51 -
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Dracvlad wrote:Speedkermit Damo wrote:All those thousands of Supercaps, the proliferation of which ruined nullsec.
I'll wager that a larger proportion of those were funded by running incursions. Sorry I think you are wrong, I would wager that the majority of Supers and Titans are owned by people who are in the alliances that directly controlled the Tech during the critical period of its imbalance, and while a significant number of supers may have been funded by Incursions its is totally dwarfed by those funded by moon goo enriched alliances... Its the Technicium imbalance that screwed up Eve, Incursions are the equivalent of peeing in a rain storm... \
It's not just Tech, it's never just "one thing" in a complex system.
A big part of the problem was that CCP (a company that has never been good at delivering PVE content) decided to add more pve content (along with new space) starting around 2008. They piled this new content (wormholes and incursions) on top of an already not working system (lvl 4 missions, which were the 1st version of the incursion mess in that they are usually only done in high sec despite the fact that they exist in low and npc null) and repeated the mistake.
Before this and even with the lvl 5 bug, things made more sense. Getting ejected from null sec in those days HURT because the best pve content in the game was there by far, lvl 4s were slow is in the days before things like Marauders. After the incusion of the post 2008 pve content, being ejected from null has a moderate affect on top level alliance people (loss of moon good and super caps being aborted), but doesn't cause a single ripple for grunts because you can just go do incursions or wormhole stuff or now faction warfare (FW wasn't crazy unbalanced in the beginning PVE wise).
This is BAD, because it reduces the bottom up reason to fight for space. It results in more renting (which stabilizes a place that should be UNstable), which in turn results in a more constant flow of 'rare' null sec goods that ends up fubaring the null market (freaking Pith X XLSBs are like 70 mil now), which in turn fubar's the HIGH SEC LP markets (other than cpu , why buy a Caldari navy XLSB when a Pith X is cheaper?). screwing over mission runners whose LP is devalued. Everything is connected.
The round about result is everyone suffers even if some people aren't smart enough to know they are suffering because "they personally make enough isk for plex". CCP should have taken more time post 2008 to think about how new pve content would affect things, because the structural problems with the game could have been foreseen and prevented.
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Frostys Virpio
The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:57:25 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you.
Thats the problem. Why would we spend more isk, time, effort and risk so much more in null when we can earn twice as much in highsec and enjoy the protection of concord?
Well "soon" you would because you want your index to be high to help defend your magic wand assets from fast capping. I'm not saying it's a good reason but it will technically be one "soon"... |
Mario Putzo
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:57:55 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you.
Thats the problem. Why would we spend more isk, time, effort and risk so much more in null when we can earn twice as much in highsec and enjoy the protection of concord?
Then go do incursions, in HS there is literally nothing stopping you. Its a choice you are free to make, there is no mechanic preventing you from joining in, other than the limited number of pilots incursion groups use. Also last I checked CONCORD won't engage Sanshas, so if you start to go sideways on your run, you have 0 protection.
I mean less than 1% of the player base is capable of milking these things at any one time. WOE IS US THE IMBALANCE GUYS THE IMBALANCE, if anything they should be opened up to even more people not just an average of 23.3 pilots per site.
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baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 17:59:25 -
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Frostys Virpio wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you.
Thats the problem. Why would we spend more isk, time, effort and risk so much more in null when we can earn twice as much in highsec and enjoy the protection of concord? Well "soon" you would because you want your index to be high to help defend your magic wand assets from fast capping. I'm not saying it's a good reason but it will technically be one "soon"...
Hence the need to make it worth line members time to be out in null doing these activities.
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baltec1
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:00:26 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you.
Thats the problem. Why would we spend more isk, time, effort and risk so much more in null when we can earn twice as much in highsec and enjoy the protection of concord? Then go do incursions, in HS there is literally nothing stopping you. Its a choice you are free to make, there is no mechanic preventing you from joining in, other than the limited number of pilots incursion groups use. I mean less than 1% of the player base is capable of milking these things at any one time. WOE IS US THE IMBALANCE GUYS THE IMBALANCE, if anything they should be opened up to even more people not just an average of 23.3 pilots per site. Whine more son.
We dont want the best option to be in highsec for income, we want to have a reason to be out in null.
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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:00:30 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:The system is far from broken, you can make more than enough ISK to live and thrive in every region in this game as of today.
Please come to Syndicate with a PvP habit, and tell me how you can 'thrive'. Nearly every entity that makes a home there depends on outside income, because it is better/safer/more available everywhere else. Depending on outside income robs the region of content. Much to the same extent, this can be applied to the whole of Sov-Null vs High Sec; if only people actually had to source income where they lived, or if it even made sense to, there would be more conflict and interesting happenings.
So long as Hi Sec has the monopoly on accessible income, we are playing a theme park and not a sandbox. High is the safe farming zone to get ships to go pew with elsewhere. Low/null are the battlegrounds where you go to elite pvp.
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Jenn aSide
Smokin Aces.
10826
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:02:10 -
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baltec1 wrote:Mario Putzo wrote:
What issue might that be? I am curious as to this phantom issue everyone keeps talking about. Nothing forces you to do incursions, nothing stops you.
Thats the problem. Why would we spend more isk, time, effort and risk so much more in null when we can earn twice as much in highsec and enjoy the protection of concord?
Exactly, and people who want to be in null actually being in null provides content for others while stimulating different markets across new eden in a way that isk gathering in the safety of high sec can't. Ratting ship blow up way more than incursion boats, making economic activities for loads of people creating more need for people to pve outside of high sec which creates even more market opportunities and so forth.
It's similar to the Ishtar imbalance. The Ishtar imbalance doesn't just make for stale game play in null and low sec. It creates ripples across the game" it benefits ishtar makers and drone makers, it screws everyone else because it means there is less need for other ships and weapons to be built or acquired.
Incursions as they are benefit a few (the few hundred incursion runners, many of whom are null alts who should be risking ships to make their isk), but screw over the rest of the game. The "high sec partisans" should be the most incensed, because incursions allow NULL GROUPS a way to make isk in near total, close to uninterruptible safety.
Isk that gets funneled to groups like CODE because Catalysts aren't free |
Mario Putzo
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baltec1 wrote:[ We dont want the best option to be in highsec for income, we want to have a reason to be out in null.
You will have. Sov Index baby. CCP is giving you your reason in a couple months. Be patient. |
baltec1
Bat Country Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.04.28 18:04:16 -
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Mario Putzo wrote:baltec1 wrote:[ We dont want the best option to be in highsec for income, we want to have a reason to be out in null. You will have. Sov Index baby. CCP is giving you your reason in a couple months. Be patient.
We have no info so right now we will continue to hammer home the message that fozziesov will fail if the rewards are not there.
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