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Cervix Thumper School of Applied Knowledge Caldari State 44	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:00:28 - [151] - Quote nope leave them as they are... I haven't participated in many but had a good time while I did. Nothing wrong with them
Daerrol Furtherance. 130	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:04:41 - [152] - Quote Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this. If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave. But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it. Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed? Wait for it.... THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS. Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP. So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao) Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve. I was going to write a long reply to this inane statement but I'll keep it short. You realize CCP makes more money off accounts that are activated via plex than those which are paying a subscription fee, yes?
Jacob Holland Weyland-Vulcan Industries 396	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:11:44 - [153] - Quote It is important to note that it is the players who have made Incursions as profitable as they are (or are at least perceived to be). I stopped running Incursions during one of the first inter-community disputes because I would log out at the end of a night all set-up in the system the community I was running with was focussed on, log back in the next evening and find that the Incursion was over and have to move my stuff to the next focus... Net risk, perhaps 40+ jumps with moderately high value ships and modules, 20+ jumps in capsule or abalative capsule armour (aka: shuttle); net gain... nil. That is what the Incursion Income would show for many of those attempting to run them if not for the agreements the players themselves set up. Players defined the period that each Incursion should remain active, players push for any no-contest rules (and incidentally, contests can really drastically reduce the income even if you do get into fleets before the incursion "moves"). The potential payout was certainly defined by CCP, but it is the players who have redefined the percentage of it which is available to them. The sense of entitlement which flavoured every thread requesting a buff when the motherships were being popped regularly was amusing but that it is players who have changed the balance is important.
Lan Wang Stillwater Corporation That Escalated Quickly. 427	Posted - 2015.04.27 16:55:49 - [154] - Quote Daerrol wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this. If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave. But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it. Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed? Wait for it.... THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS. Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP. So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao) Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve. I was going to write a long reply to this inane statement but I'll keep it short. You realize CCP makes more money off accounts that are activated via plex than those which are paying a subscription fee, yes? If PLEX were to lose liquidity or worse crash in vaoue, no one would PLEX for ISK. How can ccp make money from people using isk for plex? People buy plex with rl cash so they make money from people who spend on plex not incursuon runners or freeplayers EVEALON Creative - Logo Design & Branding \| Digital Design
FunGu Arsten Fungu .Inc 75	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:09:36 - [155] - Quote Lan Wang wrote: Daerrol wrote: Carrie-Anne Moss wrote: I think its interesting to postulate what ccp would think of this. If they nerf the insane isk incursion runners can make, some will cry and leave. But they nerfed IsoBoxing and same thing, they still did it. Now would ccp care if even dare say 25% of all incursioners unsubbed? Wait for it.... THEY ALL PLEX ANYWAYS. Now i am in economics 202 so i get someone paid for plex blah blah blah, yet still, those incursioners ARENT PUTTING THEIR REAL LIFE CASH INTO CCP. So why WOULD ccp care if they balanced the insane isk they can make with basically zero risk (aside from falling asleep like some bear pointed out lmao) Seriously, if ccp nerfs hisec incurion isk to make it in line with risk/reward and some bears cry and stop plexing their alts, i dont think ccps bottom line would be affected at all. If anything it would please the masses/rest of eve. I was going to write a long reply to this inane statement but I'll keep it short. You realize CCP makes more money off accounts that are activated via plex than those which are paying a subscription fee, yes? If PLEX were to lose liquidity or worse crash in vaoue, no one would PLEX for ISK. How can ccp make money from people using isk for plex? People buy plex with rl cash so they make money from people who spend on plex not incursuon runners or freeplayers the same way ships are free if you mine the ore
Gilan Isana Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 35	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:13:06 - [156] - Quote Sansha Incursions will be dead soon anyway, so its a mute argument. Risk Vs Reward will be more balanced when they switch to Drifter/Seeker incursions. . . . . . . .
Jarod Garamonde Jolly Codgers Get Off My Lawn 2537	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:16:30 - [157] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities. Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take. Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month. Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises. Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks. Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec? Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go. Highsec players deserve content, too, you know.... And it's not even like there's no risk. Incursions aren't easy at any level. That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right... `[#savethelance]`
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21894	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:19:31 - [158] - Quote If you think fully predictable content is hard ........ Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1728	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:19:45 - [159] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities. Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take. Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month. Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises. Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks. Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec? Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go. Highsec players deserve content, too, you know.... And it's not even like there's no risk. Incursions aren't easy at any level. Content would still be available even if the reward was 1/1000000th of what it is. It's not a "content" question at all.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15682	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:22:04 - [160] - Quote Jarod Garamonde wrote: 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities. Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take. Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month. Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises. Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks. Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec? Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go. Highsec players deserve content, too, you know.... And it's not even like there's no risk. Incursions aren't easy at any level. Yea they are. All you need is a few logi and a smattering of battleships and a loki none of which are hard to fly. By all means keep the content is the payout that is the problem. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship

Mario Putzo 1266	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:23:26 - [161] - Quote Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms.
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21894	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:24:56 - [162] - Quote Reminds me of all the carebears who said ... IT'S NOT ABOUT THE MONEY IT'S ABOUT THE COMMUNITY ... CCP lowered the income and boom, lies exposed as such. No I don't recall what they did. It doesn't matter at this point. Greedy people will not stop telling lies just to make or save money. Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Herzog Wolfhammer Sigma Special Tactics Group 6615	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:26:25 - [163] - Quote 2Sonas1Cup wrote: Or drastically drop their payouts not the point of killing them but to a more balanced level compared to other highsec activities. Highsec Incursions payout WAY too much for the risk and time you take. Many people run incursions to plex accounts log out for the month. Theres little to no incentive to do anything else in the game once you start running incursions, you wont stop, and you will not do anything else other than your casual pvp on a random alt when the opportunity arises. Incursions are a decease, they are killing/killed a major part of the game, took the need of doing and trying different things to make isks. Hell theres not even a reason to leave highsec anymore, whats the incentive of null when you can make as much or even more in the safety of highsec? Please put an end to incursions, its been far too long already, sanshas must go. If you remove or curtail highsec incursions, how are all those nullseccers going to make money while their mains bubble camps the gates 23/7? Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21894	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:26:48 - [164] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. You can make 800ish millions in three hours, reliably, in null? In absolute safety with CONCORD protection? Every day? Yeah, right. Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15684	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:36:19 - [165] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about ** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship**
Frostys Virpio The Mjolnir Bloc The Bloc 1728	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:44:38 - [166] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? Somehow you also have to lose that mad isk no? Not that it's a balancing factor for the current income but what do people do with all those ISK beside buy another incursion boat after they managed to lose one? After the 800 ish mill for their PLEX and a let's say 400 mill as "insurance policy" in case they lose a boat, what do people spend all that on?
Mario Putzo 1266	Posted - 2015.04.27 17:56:36 - [167] - Quote baltec1 wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null. Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv. Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions, with NS being the largest faucet by a sizable margin...fancy that.
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21895	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:03:30 - [168] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null. Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv. Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions...fancy that. The game has no zones. One can fight anywhere. To say that people should leave highsec if they want combat is nonsense. If CCP wanted that, they would have removed player aggression from highsec. Which would be a rather daft thing to do. So your "concept" pretty much is only imaginary. Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Mario Putzo 1268	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:06:52 - [169] - Quote Solecist Projec wrote: The game has no zones. One can fight anywhere. To say that people should leave highsec if they want combat is nonsense. If CCP wanted that, they would have removed player aggression from highsec. Which would be a rather daft thing to do. So your "concept" pretty much is only imaginary. True but combat in HS is needlessly complex. I mean I can gank, but that is a pretty shallow combat experience, I can wardec someone but they tend to just dock up, or I can just go to areas of space where I am more likely to find folks who are more likely to desire a combat engagement, why buy milk from the store when you can just go to the cow and get it for free.
FunGu Arsten Fungu .Inc 77	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:07:37 - [170] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null. Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv. Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions, with NS being the largest faucet by a sizable margin...fancy that. you mean 200mil liquid isk + 42k LP isnt alot in highsec? per hour .. on 1 account - no scouts, no rent, no sov costs, all the highsec markets at your feet.... there's some crybabyies in here QQing about incursions but you can't ignore the hard facts of incursionmilk EDIT/ADD: the problem with ccp numbers is that they're comparing "total isk from ALL null anoms" vs ' 3 average highsec incursions" > the isk that an individual player can make per hour is the problem with incursions, and we haven't even talked about skillpoints needed (they're low) - all in highsec.... but then again, :D i'm making 250mil/hr right now

Mario Putzo 1268	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:10:51 - [171] - Quote FunGu Arsten wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null. Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv. Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions, with NS being the largest faucet by a sizable margin...fancy that. you mean 200mil liquid isk + 42k LP isnt alot in highsec? per hour .. on 1 account - no scouts, no rent, no sov costs, all the highsec markets at your feet.... there's some crybabyies in here QQing about incursions but you can't ignore the hard facts of incursionmilk And it is perfectly possible and acceptable for any pilot to engage in these activities. So again I am not sure what the issue is. If you want to suckle on the teet you only need to open your mouth. Elsewise its nothing but whining. If you want to live in 0.0 and only play in 0.0 cool, not everything is fair in EVE. Nothing at all stopping you from heading to HS every now and then to milk the cow. Seems like a bad case of entitlement to me.
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15684	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:12:13 - [172] - Quote Frostys Virpio wrote: Somehow you also have to lose that mad isk no? Not that it's a balancing factor for the current income but what do people do with all those ISK beside buy another incursion boat after they managed to lose one? After the 800 ish mill for their PLEX and a let's say 400 mill as "insurance policy" in case they lose a boat, what do people spend all that on? I have often wondered that myself. Only answer I have is there are people who suffer from dragon curse. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
baltec1 Bat Country Goonswarm Federation 15684	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:15:27 - [173] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: And it is perfectly possible and acceptable for any pilot to engage in these activities. So again I am not sure what the issue is. If you want to suckle on the teet you only need to open your mouth. Elsewise its nothing but whining. If you want to live in 0.0 and only play in 0.0 cool, not everything is fair in EVE. Nothing at all stopping you from heading to HS every now and then to milk the cow. Seems like a bad case of entitlement to me. The problem is that you are not getting rewarded for taking on more risk and effort. If CCP wants smaller corps and alliances out in nullsec then they are going to have to make it worth moving out there. Join Bat Country today and defend the Glorious Socialist Dictatorship
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21896	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:16:14 - [174] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: Solecist Projec wrote: The game has no zones. One can fight anywhere. To say that people should leave highsec if they want combat is nonsense. If CCP wanted that, they would have removed player aggression from highsec. Which would be a rather daft thing to do. So your "concept" pretty much is only imaginary. True but combat in HS is needlessly complex. I mean I can gank, but that is a pretty shallow combat experience, I can wardec someone but they tend to just dock up, or I can just go to areas of space where I am more likely to find folks who are more likely to desire a combat engagement, why buy milk from the store when you can just go to the cow and get it for free. I agree on that. The biggest fun I ever had in highsec was as station grid bouncing, facpo evading -10, with people on my ass and constant entertaining of the masses with kills or chat. (don't believe a single word people say when they whine about the facpo) That's not being offered anywhere else though. Lowsec is rather boring and too easy and nullsec has bubbles, which I hate to the bone. Anyhow that's far off topic. Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Nick Bete The Scope Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:17:45 - [175] - Quote Yawn, yet another of the stupid, trollish, and never ending nerf high sec income threads. No, OP. CCP has the numbers and a team that monitors the economic health of the game. If adjustments were needed then they would be made based off those numbers and not your selfish agenda. Hope this moronic rant gets locked for being redundant, non-constructive, trollish and inflammatory.
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21896	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:22:14 - [176] - Quote Mario Putzo wrote: FunGu Arsten wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: baltec1 wrote: Mario Putzo wrote: Never understood the QQ about PVE content rewards. If you think its fantastic, go do it. There is literally nothing stopping you from doing it. At all. Always amazes me that folks will whine about **** that others do when they can do it themselves. If Incursions were so awesomesauce than they would be the #1 source of ISK entering the game, but they aren't that crown goes to NS Ratting/Anoms. Why leave highsec for more risky space if you are earning the same or more in highsec? As for that "#1 source of isk" tidbit you are quoting it wrong. While null activities inject the most isk income levels for ratting is far below that of incursions. An incursion pilot will earn upwards of twice as much as your average anom ratter in null. Make ISK in HS, go to LS/NS/WH to PVP. Not really a hard concept. There is nothing saying you have to live in space to use that space. vOv. Also I am simply paraphrasing the numbers CCP showed at fanfest, where Nullsec Bounties represent the highest portion of ISK entering the game. Didn't say anything about individual incomes. So not sure what your point is in that regard. Incursions are pretty dank, but most of it is from LP, which isn't liquid ISK that ISK comes from other players who get it from sources like ratting, anoms and missions, with NS being the largest faucet by a sizable margin...fancy that. you mean 200mil liquid isk + 42k LP isnt alot in highsec? per hour .. on 1 account - no scouts, no rent, no sov costs, all the highsec markets at your feet.... there's some crybabyies in here QQing about incursions but you can't ignore the hard facts of incursionmilk And it is perfectly possible and acceptable for any pilot to engage in these activities. So again I am not sure what the issue is. If you want to suckle on the teet you only need to open your mouth. Elsewise its nothing but whining. If you want to live in 0.0 and only play in 0.0 cool, not everything is fair in EVE. Nothing at all stopping you from heading to HS every now and then to milk the cow. Seems like a bad case of entitlement to me. From my pov it's not the money, it's the lack of danger. I believe for nullseccers it's not the money either, but people not playing there because they have no reason to. THAT BEING SAID makes it look weird though, because it reduces most nullseccers to carebears. This reminds me so much of all these morons who cry I HAVE POWERFULL NULLSEC FRIENDS when they are being ganked in highsec ............. Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
Black Pedro Yammerschooner 920	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:29:55 - [177] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: Yawn, yet another of the stupid, trollish, and never ending nerf high sec income threads. No, OP. CCP has the numbers and a team that monitors the economic health of the game. If adjustments were needed then they would be made based off those numbers and not your selfish agenda. Hope this moronic rant gets locked for being redundant, non-constructive, trollish and inflammatory. CCP has the numbers alright and they know they are too high - see page 125 of the 2014 CSM minutes. CCP is waiting to see If the nullsec changes pull people back out to live in null. If they stay in highsec sucking on the teat of risk-free incursion ISK, which likely most will as it is too easy, then incursion income should expect a visit from the Nerf Bat soon.
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21897	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:32:22 - [178] - Quote Black Pedro wrote: Nick Bete wrote: Yawn, yet another of the stupid, trollish, and never ending nerf high sec income threads. No, OP. CCP has the numbers and a team that monitors the economic health of the game. If adjustments were needed then they would be made based off those numbers and not your selfish agenda. Hope this moronic rant gets locked for being redundant, non-constructive, trollish and inflammatory. CCP has the numbers alright and they know they are too high - see page 125 of the 2014 CSM minutes. CCP is waiting to see If the nullsec changes pull people back out to live in null. If they stay in highsec sucking on the teat of risk-free incursion ISK, which likely most will as it is too easy, then incursion income should expect a visit from the Nerf Bat soon. You know..... what if the issue really is that most nullseccers are actually carebears? Then no matter the amount, things would never change, because people would be too scared to leave highsec anyway ..... Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.
FunGu Arsten Fungu .Inc 77	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:38:45 - [179] - Quote Nick Bete wrote: Yawn, yet another of the stupid, trollish, and never ending nerf high sec income threads. No, OP. CCP has the numbers and a team that monitors the economic health of the game. If adjustments were needed then they would be made based off those numbers and not your selfish agenda. Hope this moronic rant gets locked for being redundant, non-constructive, trollish and inflammatory. I dont want incursions nerfed or removed (they are fun at times) but i'm also aware the ccp does not have a clue how to read numbers. here is why: average incursion "top 10" list : incursion community moved 7-04-15 //14:07 incursion ended 10-04-15 //07:23 1Vxxxxxx 1.050.000LP- 5,2 bil isk 25,0bil isk 34,4bil isk 43,9bil isk 53,8bil isk 63,7bil isk 73,4bil isk 83,4bil isk 9Dxxxxxxxrd 589.680LP - 2,9 bil isk So the top 10 have made on an individual lvl 5bil to nearly 3 bil in 2.5days doing incursions. there are plenty of other incursion - top ten lists - where #1: 1mil lp, #9 is 700-800k lp in the course of 3days of incursions.. you can always "read" statistics to make them look in your favor, ccp chooses to not touch incursions as they have little to no interest in putting development into it i guess... but the numbers are there for you to read if you join some fleets.. Though, putting 2-3 bil isk in your wallet in 3 days of highsec cross shooting is enough numbers you need... (Personaly i'm netting 10bil/week if doing incursions on my highsec character) added: that top 10 list is good for a total of 35bil in 2, 5 days... however if you take that the pilot with most lp hs been in all fleets then you can say the total net income from this community ahs to be 40 x 4.5 bil : 180 bil in 2,5 days... in one incursion. (take in mind that 35 bil of this is already in the top 10)
Solecist Project Red Federation RvB - RED Federation 21898	Posted - 2015.04.27 18:38:56 - [180] - Quote Aaand if I take that thought even further ... ... then the real issue is actually the isk centric way of thinking. They have proven time and time again that income does not balance things out properly ... ... as can be seen through lowsec buffs/highsec nerfs. Yet for some reason people believe that reducing incursion income will make a difference. That's a funny viewpoint ... and completely invalidates every singke argument about income and how it makes people go here and there. So ... what would drive more people to null is not raising their income ... ... or loweeing the income in highsec ... ... but making null safer than highsec. Because then carebears would populate it. YOU CAN HAVE THEM ALL, THANK YOU VERY MUCH! Bumping is fine, Ganking is fine. The real issue are Carebears. Bad people wishing ill and death upon on all of us. The obvious solution is to wipe them out and make sure they don't come back. Let's kill them all for the good of EVEmanity.



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