Those guys are developpers this is their job.
They are paid for doing what they do.

2) internal space of icons can be used for colormarks. This will solve problem with too many drone icons and will allow to mark different classes of ships. And of course this must be customizable.

They do stuff that is not important at all and confuses people.
Old icons were perfect and there was no need for new icons, but hey they have to do something because they're payed to do something, even if it means doing stuff that is not important at all just so they can say hey look we did something.

But yea new icons look terrible and people don't like it, but still they will ignore all the feedback and say we did something.

The only thing that confuses ME for now is the lack of adaptability of some people.

With the Carnyx release on June 2nd we got a set of competely new icons in space and in the overview. Such a large change naturally has raised the attention of many players and we have received a lot of feedback raising questions and pointing to some issues (for example with UI scaling and difficulties differentiating between NPCs and players).

Please read the blog Feedback on the new Overview Brackets by CCP Surge to learn more about the design and goals behind those new icons and the road ahead!

As always, your constructive feedback is most welcome and helpful. Thank you!

Yea, and npc looks almost the same as a player, very adaptable.

Those guys are developpers this is their job.
They are paid for doing what they do.
They work while you play.

Who are you to even make the statement that your work worth more than theirs ?
Seriously.
Who the hell are you to just say "Nope, your icones are ****, you should do this, that and this."

They've come with a product of a reflexion and time, and you just think that whatever work you did is better ?
You truely believe that whith all what they came up with, they will just come back and redo the icones ?

What the ****.
Wake up spoiled kids.
Wake the hell up.

Improving the current icones : yes.
Goin back in time, or completly re-do the icones : nope.

That is one better argument Sir, congratulation.

I'm aggree with this, the inside filled should have more opacity.


Anyhow, who the fruck even has NPCs displayed on his Overview ?

And i strongly suspect that this whole project was started as a make-work thing just to keep someone busy in the first place. it was not needed, it was not asked for, and they could not even deliver, and now whoever approved it is also in the firing line. SHAME.

So of course these guys are fighting tooth and nail for their jobs. Office politics, and to hell with customer satisfaction.

Frankly in company where I work at, people have been fired for smaller fiascos. And there is nothing wrong with this. You deliver, or you leave.

The old icons were based on size class... but so are the new ones. They don't indicate tech level or whether its a faction ship. A Sleipnir has the same icon as an Oracle, or a Tengu has the same icon as an Arbitrator.

If ships with vastly different capabilities and roles are represented by the same icons, then the icons are failing to fulfill their stated goals. There wasn't much point in changing them from the old system.

Those guys are developpers this is their job.
They are paid for doing what they do.
They work while you play.

Who are you to even make the statement that your work worth more than theirs ?
Seriously.
Who the hell are you to just say "Nope, your icones are ****, you should do this, that and this."

They've come with a product of a reflexion and time, and you just think that whatever work you did is better ?
You truely believe that whith all what they came up with, they will just come back and redo the icones ?

What the ****.
Wake up spoiled kids.
Wake the hell up.

Improving the current icones : yes.
Goin back in time, or completly re-do the icones : nope.

Im sorry but the current icons cant be improved. Icons by their very nature are supposed to be useful at a glance. Any decent icon system, is simple by design. To avoid information overload, you want a limited number of icons that only convey important information. CCP has decided to slap icons on everything and in their wisdom have decided to make it so that they are tiny and all basically similar to each other. The important information is lost is a sea of clutter. On the other hand, the old icons worked almost perfectly, giving you the exact information you needed to fly well - relative ship size, whether the ship was friend/foe, and npc or player. And get off your fanboi highhorse. CCP screwed the pooch on this one.

The premise for the system is logically valid, but what if the chosen concept style is not?

Because each and every individual would have his own "valid concept style" ?

Those guys are developpers this is their job.
They are paid for doing what they do.
They work while you play.

Who the hell are you to just say "Nope, your icones are ****, you should do this, that and this."

Those guys are developpers this is their job.
They are paid for doing what they do.
They work while you play.

Who are you to even make the statement that your work worth more than theirs ?
Seriously.
Who the hell are you to just say "Nope, your icones are ****, you should do this, that and this."

They've come with a product of a reflexion and time, and you just think that whatever work you did is better ?
You truely believe that whith all what they came up with, they will just come back and redo the icones ?

What the ****.
Wake up spoiled kids.
Wake the hell up.

Improving the current icones : yes.
Goin back in time, or completly re-do the icones : nope.

Everyone, for one reason or another. You dont want to run into a gate with 5 drifters on it. You dont want to gas and miss sleepers spawning.

And you, good sir, should stop posting and embarrassing yourself further. Go re-read the linked technical analysis, looks like you havent picked up anything from it.

Ok so RED ICONES are not different enough for you to distinguish from an EMPTY SHAPE.
Yeah, i should stop embarassing myself, clearly.

I thought you were talkin about Concord and Navy icones not Missions or Encounter NPCs, this is even more laughable.

Ok so RED ICONES are not different enough for you to distinguish from an EMPTY SHAPE.
Yeah, i should stop embarassing myself, clearly.

I thought you were talkin about Concord and Navy icones not Missions or Encounter NPCs, this is even more laughable.



I'm sorry i'm not a english born speaker, and my english sometimes can be terrible to read.
But thank god this language is not hard to be readable with.

You're right, just because someone gets paid doesn't mean his work is fantastic.
And i never said it was.

And i was waiting for the whole Incarna thing.
Every now and then, when you're pissed with a change from CCP, you throw that right on their face.
Like some kind of threat.
Yep, tipical kid behaviour.

Where do they keep the file for icons and in what format?

Don't be sorry, i am for you.

Explain why the icones are not giving a clear info to you as they do to me ?
And actually i have more information than before.
I can see AT A GLANCE if i'm dealing with a frig or a dessy, a Cruiser or a BC or a BS.

The only issue i see is what they are talkin about in this very DevBlog :
- drones / frigates distinction
- NPCs / Players distinction
- Scaling

Improvements could be :
- add colors just like Gates or Station with Autopilot.
- same as above but to the whole line, not only the icone.
- re-place the standing / corp / alliance / etc icones
- true RGB picker to set customed standings (condition to color like Autopilot)
- separate the shape from the filled interior
- and why not add colors to the shape and/or interior
- just like the new icone set for UI and the glowing thing, put some on overview to enhance the "Technological" sensation like Altrue mentioned earlier : http://i.gyazo.com/5f3de8af2f98bbf6c6b02af7916943ff.png
- The Above could stand as a background option for Overview settings to standing / states
etc..etc..etc..

You can fanboi all you want, and keep telling the rest of us how nice the view is from way up there on your high horse. When you finally put your visor up, you'll see us down here shooting statues.

I'm still waiting haters shooting statues...

For icone set ?
I strongly doubt it.
I'm still waiting haters shooting statues from jump fatigue changes.

No need to be mean in dire times like these. It could approach a situation when there's no one left to do so.

First they came for the ship spinners, and I did not shoot the statue because I was not a ship spinnerGǪ

Then you're obviously a bit slow if you think it's still all about the icons at this point.