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Pixie Tickle
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:37:39 -
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I stopped at "we wanted to increase situational awareness". Thanks to your lack of logic you killed my situational awareness and I am still incapable of telling things apart. At 90% your icons are literally worthless and I do doubt it changes at 100%, which is not an option for me anyway.
Please just think about this for a second, because this is what you did:
- I want to increase your situational awareness by completely breaking it. -
I understand the thought of improving things to make it easier to recognize symbols, but that is not what you did. You made it harder to recognize symbols, because literally every single brain of the thousands of people had the previous patterns ingrained already.
It is extremely insulting to assume that you know better, because you do not.
Change, for the sake of Change, is bad when you forget what was before that Change and how used people are to what they had before. Your ignorance is insulting.
Whoever is responsible for the latest decision seems to have completely lost his perspective. In recent times you have started insulting players by simply kicking them in the face. You lost common sense. You see good things where there are none. This change, just like the fleet-warp-change, is completely disconnected from the people.
Disconnected.
You know what this tells me? You don't even play this game and you should be ashamed of yourself for daring to be above all the players. You are not. You are not smarter. You are not wiser. You force these changes onto us and you completely WRECKED the minds of several THOUSANDS of people by removing something we all have been used to.
I have lost my respect for you as a company, because you completely removed us older players from considerations. You have lost my respect, because you do not even see the **** you are doing and how you will only hurt yourself while delusionally thinking you are improving something.
Your ignorance is insulting.
You people need to realise that you can't just **** over us like this. If you think you'll get away with the fleet-warp-changes like you did with the icons (and why do you even need such a blog?) then you will see that you can't keep treating us like this.
I will not read through this blog any further. It reminds me of the insult from CCP Zulu back at Incarna. You can not spin yourself out of this ****. You can not. You will not. We are not stupid.
Stop insulting us. |
Teh Replika
Lazerhawks
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:41:09 -
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Dear CCP. As much as i love what you are doing to keep this game alive but,
A: http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/ui-modernization-icon-strategy/ - this was just better, in terms of ship icons. B: Give us the ability to pick icon sets ourselves. C: At least give us ability to merge all drones into single icon.
And finally D: please stop enforcing so much stuff. give ability to players to choose from whatever they like.
Be it font style, icon set, icon group merge, target window style (the one you showed in original dev blog years ago just looked better than the one you've actually released ( the one where shield/armor/hull were up left and right bars ) )
Or just give us the option to install mods for this things if you don't want to do it yourselves.
Thank You.
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Milla Goodpussy
Federal Navy Academy
309
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:41:21 -
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so basically CCP has just said they're not adding an opt-out switch, and they also flipped us the bird in that dev blog.
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GeeBee
Paragon Fury Tactical Narcotics Team
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:44:47 -
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I said it on the neocom icons and I'll say it on this. These are small little artwork features that could / should be open for players to change, create, and utilize as they wish. If you're going to make a change on the way things have been for 10 years thats primarily cosmetic then it doesn't need to be shoved down our throats; Options are good, mandates are not. |
Pixie Tickle
KarmaFleet Goonswarm Federation
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:45:04 -
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Quote:Mea culpa to those affected. Your worthless apology only makes it worse.
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
757
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:45:25 -
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Cr Turist wrote:i dont understand why we cant have a choice in reverting to the old overview. some of the new shapes and stuff for buildings and deploy-able units is ok but the ship and my god the drone symbols in space are just so cluttered.
Because then 95% of the playerbase will turn off the new icon set, just like the new map, and with that statistic CCP will have justification to let go the icon design team members - for inability to deliver useful change. or at least there will be negatives in the performance reviews.
And i strongly suspect that this whole project was started as a make-work thing just to keep someone busy in the first place. it was not needed, it was not asked for, and they could not even deliver, and now whoever approved it is also in the firing line. SHAME.
So of course these guys are fighting tooth and nail for their jobs. Office politics, and to hell with customer satisfaction.
Frankly in company where I work at, people have been fired for smaller fiascos. And there is nothing wrong with this. You deliver, or you leave. |
Darkblad
Hilf Dir selbst in EVE
1009
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Posted - 2015.06.18 18:56:08 -
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CCP Surge wrote:WeGÇÖre looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how. Finally! Looks like the Iconocalypse was of some use.
While not affected myself, the only issue I had with the new Icons was the case of 90% UI Scale
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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises Otherworld Empire
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:04:22 -
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You know what you could do... is let us design our own icons, transparent png's that we just put in a folder should be simple enough.
And those that don't wish to use yours can simply (within a week or two) have 10th's or more to chose from fitting their exact needs.
I'm in the category that feels that going from a handful set of icons to many is simply too overwhelming and tbh all I see are flying canister icons... The only good icon was the corpse one, that actually puts spot on what type of item it is on the overview.
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Jeremiah Saken
The Fall of Leviathan
287
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:12:04 -
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CCP Surge wrote:WeGÇÖre looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how. What does it mean exactly? Would we have an option to change icons to previous versions?
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Jafit McJafitson
Dreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:12:08 -
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I like thework done so far, and they're fine to read when you get used to them and learn them, however I don't believe they are fulfilling their stated goals as effectively as they could. Some of the stated goals in the devblog are:
"Improving playerGÇÖs situational awareness and reaction times in combat."
"Catering to several years of feedback telling us the old bracket system, separating ships only by size categories, was not as useful as it could be."
The old icons were based on size class... but so are the new ones. They don't indicate tech level or whether its a faction ship. A Sleipnir has the same icon as an Oracle, or a Tengu has the same icon as an Arbitrator.
If ships with vastly different capabilities and roles are represented by the same icons, then the icons are failing to fulfill their stated goals. There wasn't much point in changing them from the old system.
Here are some suggestions (in keeping with the Space Invaders theme) for how icons could be expanded to represent different tech levels.
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Louanne Barros
Hole Violence Whole Squid
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:24:42 -
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Jeremiah Saken wrote:CCP Surge wrote:WeGÇÖre looking to add an icon column to the customization window, to make it super simple to understand which items you want the tab to display and how. What does it mean exactly? Would we have an option to change icons to previous versions?
Pretty sure they just mean they plan to add the (new) icons to this view: https://puu.sh/itSBu/acb94c0d7b.png
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Louanne Barros
Hole Violence Whole Squid
72
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:26:23 -
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Jafit McJafitson wrote: If ships with vastly different capabilities and roles are represented by the same icons, then the icons are failing to fulfill their stated goals. There wasn't much point in changing them from the old system.
I totally agree. It's not like Destroyers -> Interdictors or Battleships -> Black Ops represent significantly different capabilities you might want to know about or anything.
The new icons don't, as you say, even meet their (quite modest) stated goals. |
Ravcharas
Infinite Point Nulli Secunda
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:27:44 -
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Quote:Mea culpa to those affected. I don't think anyone was confused as to whose culpa this was but thanks I guess
Quote:Making the icons at least usable at 90% scaling is one of our top priorities for improvement, along with others outlined below. Yeah so let me ask you a simple question; how is "must work well regardless of client UI settings" not part of the design specification from day one? How is it not in the game breaking must have-column?
Instead we see a developer coming in like a perplexed wreckingball in a feedback thread with "I didn't know so many used scaling why are people doing that?" I mean for all that is good and holy how can you guys not have stats on client settings? |
Aston Martin DB5
Tribal Liberation Force Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:34:18 -
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Love the changes tbh. However what is currently lacking IMO is color schemes for the various new icons. I would like to change and have a custom setup to my liking. Such as changing a Federation Customs ship icon to green in space, in my overview, or both for instance. |
Darkblad
Hilf Dir selbst in EVE
1009
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:38:09 -
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NPC (red and white) w/ solid fill? Looks like this
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:42:38 -
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CCPs screwups.
1) Assuming everyone uses nice big monitors and 100% scaling. Shows how out of touch they are.
2) INABILITY to change font size for char names and overview. (The screwup over font changes the FIRST time was the reason many went to 90%. CCP never revisited the font changes) - :edit: added explaination
3) REUSING OLD icons as NEW icons. Leading to confusion (Why am i being shot by mobile depots?)
4) Not publishing the new icon set in advance and in a big enough format to be readable. When your PLAYERS have to fix YOUR screwups... it makes you look like idiots.
In short #icongate just proves to me that you are still as bad at handling change as you have always been.
I had been hopeful of the new POS and Sov changes. I'm seriously reconsidering in the light of the UI screwup.
So i will not hold my breath for those changes. (And to those of you idiots who shouting HTFU, Learn, Adapt. I leave this message... When CCP screw up YOUR section of the game and you rage. Can I have your stuff?)
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Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:43:53 -
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Along with the obvious needed changes such as : Drone distinction (easy fix, put them at 33% opacity), player vs NPC distinction (plus, why FILL the NPCs instead of the players?), etc...
I can't, for the life of me, get used to the wreck icons! Its TOO CONFUSING.
Wrecks should NOT be even remotely close to ships shape, the only triangular stuff should be ALIVE SHIPS and NOTHING ELSE. (PS: You need to reconsider your definition of triangular for carriers... But that's another story.)
Also, the cyno icon.
Now, for the important bit. Icon clutter:
Icon clutter occurs when there is a large amount of brackets stacked at the same location. With the new icon iteration, you've increased the "glow background" behind icons, which increases the stacking issue exponentially.
Just as there is a way to use small colortags, there should be an option to remove the background and intead color the icon. So, instead of seeing a white triangle on a green background, I'd see a green triangle with a TRANSPARENT background.
What happens to NPCs? Well, first, I really don't see the point in making NPC icons that look the same as players, but if a rollback isn't possible, I guess you could fill entierly the NPC background with 100% opacity red if that option is turned on, so that we easily differenciates -10.0 standings with NPCs.
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Ereilian
Black Scorpions Inc Fidelas Constans
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:47:01 -
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Why CCP, why can you NOT learn from your mistakes and missteps with excessive violence by the community.
Why can you not understand that when you mess around with one of the core parts of the gaming experience for no other reason that you need to find make work for your art team that WE the players are going to get angry.
Who in their right mind allowed this to go live, ignoring the masses of feedback from Sisi (oh look anther build on the test server, lets just IGNORE the test feedback.).
How long is it going to be until you wake up and smell the roses. The new icons are a mistake, badly implemented (mainly because none of you PLAY the game anymore) and rushed out with the same blatant disregard for your customers that cause the Incarna riots.
Is that what we have to do to make this issue real for you? Do we have to go to all the social media and games media and get the issue across a wider audience so that others can see what a **** up CCP is? Is that what you want CCP, do you really want to be at war with your customers and main income stream. BECAUSE THAT IS WHERE YOU ARE HEADING.
Please reconsider, personally I do not mind a well thought out and implemented iteration of the previous icon set. It was simple, slimline and easily identifiable. The new set is not, by your own admission.
On a totally seperate note, don't admit to psychological profiling of your customers. If anything that deserves a slap for each and everyone of you involved. Most of us are not 13 year old kids, we understand and react as adults. Start treating us as such or all you will be left with are the preteeners. |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:50:23 -
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Cr Turist wrote:See this guys runs level 4s and if i ran level 4s i would love these changes too but i dont i pvp and in a 500 man fight these changes dont work.
You are wrong, i do PvP. This toon is my money-maker toon.
I do PvP, and i do love the new icons. I do PvP, and i do have problems with drones icones being too similar with frigates.
It's just a matter of habit. |
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc Brave Collective
1837
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:53:47 -
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About the less important suggestions for the overview: - Inner-border glow for the next gate in the autopilot? - The ability to have multiple overview windows? Would love to have a main overview window 5 lines shorter, with a GTFO overview window always open, right below it, with only 5 lines high. - Different icons between cynos and NPC beacons? - More than five overview tabs? - A better way to change bracket settings than right clic and navigation to countless submenus? (I was thinking something along the line of three "bracket slots" pre-filled by the user. Three small square buttons on the top right corner of the overview window, with one always on. You clic on these buttons to enable the bracket profile assigned to that button instantly.
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SamuraiJack
Tritanium Industries and Technology Backseat Promises
114
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:55:11 -
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Its ok. CCP didnt want those players anyway.
http://eve-offline.net/?server=tranquility Change it to the 6months or 1yr view. Watch that slide of PCU. Even this year we have gone from breaking 40k only to barely breakign 30k on a good weekend.
Thats some major slide.
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Steven Hackett
Future Corps Sleeper Social Club
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:57:52 -
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Great devblog.
I am however sad that it doesn't mention the POS module icons. Pre-Iconpocalypse, you could quickly see the difference between an ECM battery and a Neuting battery. Post-Iconpocalypse, they got the same icon.
I feel that the decision to give several, very different, POS modules the same icon, where they had different icons before, goes directly against your design goals? How can this be? |
Ruub Kers
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:58:30 -
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Ereilian wrote:Why CCP, why can you NOT learn from your mistakes and missteps with excessive violence by the community.
Why can you not understand that when you mess around with one of the core parts of the gaming experience for no other reason that you need to find make work for your art team that WE the players are going to get angry.
Who in their right mind allowed this to go live, ignoring the masses of feedback from Sisi (oh look anther build on the test server, lets just IGNORE the test feedback.).
How long is it going to be until you wake up and smell the roses. The new icons are a mistake, badly implemented (mainly because none of you PLAY the game anymore) and rushed out with the same blatant disregard for your customers that cause the Incarna riots.
Not sure what you mean, since I really like the new icons and I think the art team did a good job. I didn't have any problems with the new icons myself and got used to them within a day.
Also please keep in mind your opinion doesn't represent everyone. |
Krystyn
Serenity Rising LLC 404 Alliance Not Found
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:59:06 -
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Revert to the old Icons. Can't tell squat about stuff with the new ones. I got attacked by a fleet of wrecks the other day. WTF Why did we have to change all of the icons for no good reason? Drone icons look pathetic. Did you play test this at all? Did you bother to listen to the feedback from SISI....oh wait you didn't. Could you have phased things in slowly so people could learn what things were a few at a time at least? No mass change overnight. I go from completely understanding just about everything around me to no idea what is going on. I even get it there is some sort of logical basis to the new icon set. That doesn't mean anything to the people actually playing. My corp is again dying off due to CCP killing their fun. Multiple people are unsubbing. My 6 accounts are down to 2 and will eventually drop to 1 and then maybe none. |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
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Posted - 2015.06.18 19:59:48 -
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I can't understand how hatefull you are for a simple change of icon set. Did you lose your brain for you to not be able to adapt and change your habits ? Seriously guys, this is pathetic.
I'm sad to be part of such a community that just sit with their fat belly on their static quirks. |
Lexiana Del'Amore
Nouvelle Rouvenor
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:01:03 -
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too angry to post right now.. |
Styphon the Black
Forced Euthanasia Soviet-Union
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:15:09 -
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In my opinion the change to the Sun icon was bad. Previously it was very easy to identify the sun in any system on your overview. It was a nice solid icon different from all others. The new icon just blends into all other celestials. |
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
The Dark Space Initiative Scary Wormhole People
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:24:54 -
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Cleanse Serce wrote:I can't understand how hatefull you are for a simple change of icon set. Did you lose your brain for you to not be able to adapt and change your habits ? Seriously guys, this is pathetic. I'm sad to be part of such a community that just sit on their static quirks.
we are hateful because CCP
1) introduces stuff 2) gets plenty of feedback 3) ignores all feedback, publishes stuff to TQ 4) gets even more negative feedback 5) ignores that too 6) flips us all a big proverbial finger
we happen to pay for this stuff, and what we get is shite quality product that fails to deliver. And this happens time, after time, after time. |
Eraza
Fuzzyness Enterprizes Fuzzy Nut Attack Squirrels
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:33:59 -
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Feedback on the new icons: When I have a blob of ships, I can tell that the thing squashed triangle is a frigate, and the arrow thing is a battleship. Destroyer/cruiser/battlecruiser however, becomes just a blob of "fat triangle", which is very hard to tell apart at a glance, in the list. When they are in a moving blob in space, telling them apart and counting, is impossible. Drone icons looking similar to player ships, makes everything much worse.
Feedback on this blog: This blog is very much giving the middle finger to everyone that dosnt like your new icons. The meme is especially tasteless. I expected better from you. |
Cleanse Serce
Lonesome Capsuleer
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Posted - 2015.06.18 20:43:21 -
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LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:we are hateful because CCP
1) introduces stuff 2) gets plenty of feedback 3) ignores all feedback, publishes stuff to TQ 4) gets even more negative feedback 5) ignores that too 6) flips us all a big proverbial finger
we happen to pay for this stuff, and what we get is shite quality product that fails to deliver. And this happens time, after time, after time.
This very DevBlog proves that they are NOT at all ignoring feedbacks. If your feedback is : "I don't like new icones, please change back to old ones, or at least give us an option to turn the old one on". Then i'm glad they don't listen to this.
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