I want to ask simple question: why is new starmap still in beta phase (It has been introduced 6 months ago!) and add as alternative stuff, while CCP's incredible flight of imagination with brackets has come on TQ at once?

Well, number 1 and most importantly is that we are the consumer. If you place a product out that your consumer doesn't like than they are not going to pay for it. They get paid by the money that we pay to play the game....so your whole first part of your argument is invalid.

Number 2...I am in aerospace simulation. I repair and modify 30 million dollar full flight motion simulator that are used to train licensed pilot that need to maintain their certifications with FAA, EASA, and a ton of other regulatory aerospace agencies. In doing so the consumer pays a large amount of cash each year to train with us. In this company we take any and all customer feedback very seriously, and not just on the simulator part of training. We listen to every aspect of their visit and adjust ourselves to fit to the consumers desires. It is that level of customer satisfaction that has allowed us to pull in revenue of over 1 billion yearly.

I think that CCP really needs to start stepping up their game when it comes to consumer relationship and customer satisfaction. They need to listen to us and come up with a good icon system that is usable, functional, and customizable to a player's preference.

Any feedback is good starting point for this. From " I don't like this for XYZ reasons" to the simple "I hate the new UI".
This should have been done in the testing phase and they didn't listen. It be like a TV producer making a pilot, then the panel members majority hate it, so he signs the show for a 6 season run....then wondering why no one watches.

Not sure why you are fighting so hard to defend something that others don't like, but that is your choice, but it is my choice to disagree and ask for something else. ..we are both paying customers.

With the Carnyx release on June 2nd we got a set of competely new icons in space and in the overview. Such a large change naturally has raised the attention of many players and we have received a lot of feedback raising questions and pointing to some issues (for example with UI scaling and difficulties differentiating between NPCs and players).

Please read the blog Feedback on the new Overview Brackets by CCP Surge to learn more about the design and goals behind those new icons and the road ahead!

As always, your constructive feedback is most welcome and helpful. Thank you!

oh one phrase did make me laugh. The idea that the art department or devs might be bored and need to be given 'make work' tasks.

Finally, some response to a CSM Member, too little too late, where were you on the Sisi Feedback Tread, the General Feedback threadnaught?

Having read BRACKET ICON MADNESS - FEEDBACK ON THE NEW OVERVIEW BRACKETS" I do not
see anything relating to feed back about having an option go roll back. There is plenty about new icons and changes to the future icons to improve them but a lot of feed back I read was negative and related to having the option of old or new. Do you intend to offer feed back to those people too? Even a simple we are not going back would do.

I still don't like the new icons.

Mav.

The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.

Looks like four accounts of stuff get to collect virtual dust in stations.

Finally, some response to a CSM Member, too little too late, where were you on the Sisi Feedback Tread, the General Feedback threadnaught?

If you have such amazing computer graphic artists in your stable, CCP, why was our 'Frag off!' crying guy so graphically inept? At least insult your player base in 1080p slick and shiny.

Gonna miss a bunch of people that have become buddies over the last year & 2 months. I won't stay to play any game that causes physical pain from a graphic change that also comes with no check box to use old set until new might pass the view test. And I certainly won't toss money into the budget of a company who's customer service and interaction reads like that blog.

Fly safe.

>Jeven

Just an idea...

CCP, if you are really interested in knowing what people think about the new icons and how strongly they feel about the issue, why don't you create a poll and link it prominently from the launcher? I recall participating in a poll on new features in EVE published by CCP before...

Trust me when I say there is a lot more pissed people than you can see in this (already monumental) thread...

The poll might be super simple like

Choose one from:
A) Love the new icons, keep the old ones buried.
B) Mixed bag, no strong feelings either way.
C) The new icons don't work for me, roll the whole thing back.

and as an extra yes/no question:
D) Make using the old icons an option.

This should provide you with data enough to possibly reconsider your current course of action (or a solid justification to tell all of us in this thread very plainly to shut the **** up because we are clearly just an insignificant, even if vocal minority).

oh one phrase did make me laugh. The idea that the art department or devs might be bored and need to be given 'make work' tasks.

honestly, I will be timing the telling of that to when some devs are sipping beers because I am evil and love watching people try to keep ale from coming out of their noses.

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The simple answer at the moment is no.

Without going into too much detail as the blog will cover it, we have ideas to simplify the current system from the feedback on this thread and discussions from the CSM.

Then i will not come back to game anymore, deal with it, and no you can't have my stuff, let it dust in stations.

Unifying the iconography with the ship tree in ISIS.
This one was aimed primarily at newer players who are familiar with the Interbus Ship Identification System (ISIS) for learning the vast number of ships it is possible to fly and encounter. Thus having the in-space brackets of the ships they encounter match the ISIS tree was an important connection to make. Initially our plan was to migrate the old ISIS icons into the brackets, but our testing and feedback showed us they were simply not designed to be usable at the small bracket scale. So we made a completely new set that could be used at both scales and simply ported it over to ISIS.

I havent adapted to it yet and probably never will, Im not sure who you asked that adapted to this change, it certainly was nobody I play with.
My biggest complaint is that all brackets have the same size now, from light drone through pod to battleahip, making it incredibly difficult to distinguish ships from drones.

Here was a very good idea: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=427590&p=93



So that can be simply ascertained what the customers want, CCP should really put up the idea with the survey.
So a survey gets itself relatively fast. If CCP did this, they would save all one amount of time and frustration.
Of course they would have to put the survey fairly and neutrally and they should publish the result.
Finally, CCP must implement the results only in the game.

CCP, a question I would still have. Because CSM does not speak to us:
What exactly has said the CSM to the Icons?