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Freelancer117
So you want to be a Hero
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Posted - 2015.07.03 22:20:08 -
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Quote:Discussion about icons has been hot and heavy and and a new iteration is available on Sisi. Drones have been changed back to x's. There is now more differentiation between hostile NPC and friendly NPCs. For one, 'friendly' (neutral?) NPCs are now blue. Also NPCs are colored in while players are hollow. The colors have also been run through color blind filters. Give feedback. I took some shots from the test server.
Source: http://www.lowseclifestyle.com/2015/06/csmx-post-16.html
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=5830022#post5830022
Thank you Sugar Kyle, we are lucky to have you as The CSM X permanent member 
PS: to CCPgames try not to make bad game designs anymore beforehand, fully including the CSM X fully in the game design process is a must to prevent these dumb patches, and also iterate further on UI Scaling.
The players will make a better version of the game, then CCP initially plans.
http://eve-radio.com//images/photos/3419/223/34afa0d7998f0a9a86f737d6.jpg
The heart is deceitful above all things and beyond cure. Who can understand it?
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Jack Mancetti
Rennfeuer
V.e.G.A.
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Posted - 2015.07.04 13:52:35 -
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"But in New Eden space is merciless, and change is ever-present."
So i'll change my alt pilot to to unsubscribe the game and the main will follow if this icon crap going on ,
it's called merciless  |
Eke Patang
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
92
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Posted - 2015.07.05 00:06:27 -
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Just got a mail from ccp saying could the last one out please turn off the lights |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
724
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Posted - 2015.07.06 11:49:12 -
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http://community.eveonline.com/news/patch-notes/patch-notes-for-aegis
Quote:All overview and bracket icons have now thicker line strokes.
Friendly NPCs now have a blue tint
The amount of drone icon groups have been simplified from 8 to 4.
The overview and bracket icon for the Mobile Depot has been changed.
The overview and bracket icon for Wrecks has been changed.
Should be a good change. 
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Freighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
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Sbrodor
Oscura Simmetria
Yulai Federation
153
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Posted - 2015.07.06 15:43:25 -
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/ignore and humiliate color blind people.
your are doing it correctly.
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CaCi-A 001Me
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.06 18:48:34 -
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Quote:http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/bracket-icon-feedback/
- Improving playerGÇÖs situational awareness and reaction times in combat.
[...] we wanted to increase the skill ceiling of reading the grid at a glance [...]
- A clearer system for identifying different objects in space.
Intended for veterans and newbies alike to be able to better read situations and assess threat levels. [...]
makes sense
i don't play real life, the balancing sucks!
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Ahed Sten
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:15:51 -
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Quote:All overview and bracket icons have now thicker line strokes.
Friendly NPCs now have a blue tint
The amount of drone icon groups have been simplified from 8 to 4.
The overview and bracket icon for the Mobile Depot has been changed.
The overview and bracket icon for Wrecks has been changed.
It's a start |
Vol Arm'OOO
Bagel and Lox
643
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Posted - 2015.07.06 19:37:14 -
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Only real solution is a kill switch. They have a kill switch for Captain's Quarters, they have a kill switch for the map, why no kill switch for the icons as they are by far worse then CQ and the map combined. Let folk opt in/out as they feel fit - everybody is happy - or at least everybody except the dev(s) who was stuck working on another un-requested, unloved, deadend project.
I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
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Joe Gormley
Nemo Modicus Group
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Posted - 2015.07.06 23:55:21 -
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The difference between a hostile NPC and Player with bad standings is still minimal....
So much for the aid to 'at a glance' situational awareness........
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John Lawyer
Legio X Latro
Villore Accords
70
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:10:43 -
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Oh, these new wrecks icons :(((
Why to do different types of them?
Now player's wreck looks like its empy wreck.
Maybe graphical artists should play EVE a little bit to feel some 'immersion'. |
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Jessica Serrato
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.07 01:56:46 -
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John Lawyer wrote:Oh, these new wrecks icons :(((
Why to do different types of them?
Now player's wreck looks like its empy wreck.
Maybe graphical artists should play EVE a little bit to feel some 'immersion'.
Why?? Cause they need to make there mark on the game. Whatever they do they cannot admit that a bunch of ppl playing the game can tell them in 10 minutes that there last 6-10 b-weekly paychecks were a waste of resources. They cannot admit that in one forum post, they have gotten more and better ideas then a room full of people with degrees in game design, programming, and graphic arts. Lastly, they get to justify the next 6-12 months of paychecks fixing the issues cause by their own changes. Called job security. |
GankYou
Redshield Holding Company
740
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:14:35 -
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New Drone icons - http://images.contentful.com/kvd74o0q2fjg/2aNo6BkceEqIA8kk6CcGss/122813e0ba08d4c5235cd7e9cb454f50/NewOverviewBrackets_Legend2.png
...And they all crave one thing - ISK. ¤
[WTS] ME10 / TE20 BPOs from Battleships/Cruisers to Freighters, Carriers, Triage/Siege, XL modules & Cap Components
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Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS
GaNg BaNg TeAm
338
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Posted - 2015.07.07 10:23:16 -
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As I see they didn't fix anything !!!
all NPC/PVP icons are still different for all ships classes.
Pathetic
At least I hope to include customization for every icon |
Lavayar
Russian SOBR
Dream Fleet
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Posted - 2015.07.07 13:38:35 -
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One more iteration and still awful.
CCP please, kill that awful designer. |
Red Deck
The Tebo Corp
70
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Posted - 2015.07.09 12:23:29 -
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So... the drone icons have been adjusted in a reasonable way, I'd say ('cause they've been made very similar to what they used to look like  ).
I am afraid teal-tinting NPCs does not work too well for me... it's better than nothing, I suppose, but the problem is that the tint (as opposed to the lack of tint) draws my attention to the NPCs rather than to player ships (while it should be the other way round).
Player ships sharing the (lack of) tint with structures, billboards, deployables, celestials, and whatnot is a pretty poor design.
It should IMO be the other way round. Stuff that you do not need to care about beyond just knowing that "something" is there (and can e.g. decloak you) should have no tint. Player ships should have some kind of a tint (not teal, though, as that one looks "too friendly") so that their overview entries stand out immediately.
The new wreck icons... oh, man... and I thought the "old new" wreck icons were bad... can't we have the old downward pointing triangle back? I don't think it would be philosophically conflicting with other icons (ship icons are generally upward pointing triangles or triangular shapes). |
Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS
GaNg BaNg TeAm
345
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Posted - 2015.07.09 17:16:33 -
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Copy - Paste (for 10 times)
CCP Claymore
So any chance to use old ships and npc icons for ALL SHIPS CLASSES? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses
Or to customize them as per old one for all ships classes? - shiny squares and shiny red crosses
Why don't you give us a straight answer for the most important questions ?! 5000 ppl waiting more then a 4 weeks |
Mira Stargazer
Epic Warfare
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Posted - 2015.07.09 19:42:41 -
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CCP, the "at a glance" will maybe work for very active players once they learn, but not for the more casual players because they will probably never learn enough to reach "at a glance awareness".
The answer? Less is more!! Maybe not all the way back to the old overview brackets, but I think you have to take one step back.
I have feelings, I can smile - and murder while!
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Vic Jefferson
The Greater Goon
Clockwork Pineapple
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Posted - 2015.07.09 20:59:11 -
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So a few lines got slightly more contrast, and a bunch of drone icons were essentially rolled back but with new art.
Still terrible. I can now tell a drone from a ship (sometimes), which is an improvement from before, but we are still no where near as good as the old icons were. Player ships and NPC ships should NEVER be just a color or shade away from each other. They are totally and discretely different things as the game is now.
When is full customization going to be a thing? I will give a hearty laugh of vindication when many players revert them to the old way. There was literally nothing wrong with the old icon scheme - it was brilliant.
At the very least we are one icon closer to the old way, so thanks for that at least.
Vote Vic Jefferson for CSM X
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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
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Posted - 2015.07.09 22:24:06 -
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I am still having issues with "yellow" brackets at the overview. They are too faint to be told easily from the "white" brackets.
I find kinda strange that now I can't miss every last NPC entity I come across, whereas wrecks I should not touch and gates I want to jump through are just barely visible.
Maybe my priorities don't match that of the UI design, but seriously, I wish my selected jump gates were as visible as CONCORD.
73% of EVE characters stay in high security space. 62% of EVE subscribers barely PvP. 40% of all new accounts just "level up their Ravens". Probably that's why PvE content in EVE Online is sub-par and CCP is head over heels for PvP...
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Tavin Aikisen
Revenent Defence Corperation
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
358
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Posted - 2015.07.10 10:31:13 -
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So tired of change for the sake of change with this game. Stop trying to re-invent EVE online all the time and give me back the original overview icons! I didn't ask for these new ones!
These overview icon changes are not good...
"Remember this. Trust your eyes, you will kill each other. Trust your veins, you can all go home."
-Cold Wind
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Hakaari Inkuran
State War Academy
Caldari State
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Posted - 2015.07.10 23:13:34 -
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Just let me use the old square brackets for players, those looked more professional than chevrons houses and triangles. |
Trix Hathorr
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
0
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Posted - 2015.07.11 01:55:37 -
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Being a developer myself for another MMO, I will give a tip of advice; Do not run over your older playerbase for the sake of doing so. Been there, done that. They are the ones who got you where you are today. |
Rio Bravo
Volition Cult
The Volition Cult
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Posted - 2015.07.11 06:51:47 -
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Well, I am back to say 'Meh'...
I still like the new Icons, the redone new wreck Icon still looks good, but second place to the first Wreck Icon re-do. I guess it helps our blind players feel their way across the screen better...
You think people would appreciate it but they don't. They still rage about the new icons even after CCP changed it for the frothier players that might do themselves in if CCP didn't listen to them.
I still like the icons. The new blue color shading on station NPC's will be a big help to those of us in Kindergarten, that still need assistance understanding the world around us. The wreck icon second prize is still better than the old...nothing wrong with the silver medal I suppose.
+1 CCP
GÇ£You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig.-áI dig.GÇ¥
-á- Clint Eastwood, misquote.
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Panterata
BRUTAL GENESIS
GaNg BaNg TeAm
347
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Posted - 2015.07.14 14:36:52 -
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Rio Bravo wrote:Well, I am back to say 'Meh'... I still like the new Icons, the redone new wreck Icon still looks good, but second place to the first Wreck Icon re-do. I guess it helps our blind players feel their way across the screen better... You think people would appreciate it but they don't. They still rage about the new icons even after CCP changed it for the frothier players that might do themselves in if CCP didn't listen to them. I still like the icons. The new blue color shading on station NPC's will be a big help to those of us in Kindergarten, that still need assistance understanding the world around us. The wreck icon second prize is still better than the old...nothing wrong with the silver medal I suppose. +1 CCP
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Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
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Posted - 2015.07.14 21:03:35 -
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Panterata wrote:Rio Bravo wrote:Well, I am back to say 'Meh'... I still like the new Icons, the redone new wreck Icon still looks good, but second place to the first Wreck Icon re-do. I guess it helps our blind players feel their way across the screen better... You think people would appreciate it but they don't. They still rage about the new icons even after CCP changed it for the frothier players that might do themselves in if CCP didn't listen to them. I still like the icons. The new blue color shading on station NPC's will be a big help to those of us in Kindergarten, that still need assistance understanding the world around us. The wreck icon second prize is still better than the old...nothing wrong with the silver medal I suppose. +1 CCP (facepalm)
I thought you were rage quitting over Icon gate. Glad to see you still involved Panties!
I'm glad CCP took the time to color certain icons that were giving those with vision issues a negative experience playing EVE.
I'm also glad so many "Frothies" who were determined to bail on EVE are deciding to stick around and adapt to change and progress.
Many thanks guys.
Dan
Honey Never Sleeps.
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Sky Marshal
Core Industry.
Circle-Of-Two
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Posted - 2015.07.14 23:13:07 -
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When you break stuff who worked fine, it is not called "progress" but "regression".
Still, the NPC are now in soft blue and it is a good step in the right direction. The new drones icons are also good as they are close of their previous state. It will make a battlefield less messy.
Still, it is not enough. The wreck icon is still a failure. Seriously, restore the old one... And of course, I prefer squares for the ships.
I guess I have to adapt... by forgetting the visual aspect of the game and rely more than before on the FC. At least I will think less while playing, I guess it is why it is called "progress". |
Dangeresque Too
Pistols for Pandas
249
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Posted - 2015.07.15 22:01:10 -
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Joe Gormley wrote:The difference between a hostile NPC and Player with bad standings is still minimal....
So much for the aid to 'at a glance' situational awareness........ But I thought the best way to increase situational awareness "at a glance" was to implement a form of "information overload"? Because making more types of icons and even having icons that bridge themselves between several different themes (square, round, triangle) makes everything quicker/easier and most importantly simpler to discern differences with.
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Vivien Meally
Des-Meisters-Lakaien
Phoenix Company Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.17 11:01:46 -
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After more that one month i found that new Overview Icons are really ... ****.
Why do CPP do that? Will CCP freeze out alle Players from EVE? |
Rain6637
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
32065
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Posted - 2015.07.17 15:02:00 -
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Icons are somewhat pleasant now, mostly due to the color backgrounds becoming semitransparent.
What's still missing is distance information from size, due to the orthographic projection thing.
Help, I can't download EVE
President of the Commissar Kate Fanclub
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Bradstone
Caldari Advanced War Technologies
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Posted - 2015.07.27 21:45:01 -
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Been having an Eve break since coming back from Fanfest and come back to these tiny little red splodges on my overview.
I don't have the best eye sight in the world and running eve on a screen higher then 1080p is really not working for me.
I'm having to be inches from the screen just to see what icon is what.
I miss the old system as I could just glance and know a cruiser from a battleship now I have to trust the tiny picture by clicking each NPC.
Seriously CCP you have made eve unplayable for those of us who don't have the best eye sight on 1440p and above screens.
I switched to my 1080p laptop and even on 120% UI I had to hold the laptop to my face at one point!
-90/10 for the icons. Game unplayable. played for 15 min and had to give up. |
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