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Indahmawar Fazmarai 4458	Posted - 2015.12.30 20:53:34 - [3271] - Quote Malcanis wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: Solecist Project wrote: Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts... Hahahahahahaha xD I hope you appreciate the irony that I am a better customer for CCP by playing the game "wrong" than you are by playing it "right"... Out of interest, just how many times is it that you've unsubscribed now? I counted 3 from a quick search but I feel like I've probably missed at least 1, maybe 2. You should read what I answer to your questions... you already asked that and already was answered. v-¦v CCP Seagull: "EVE should be a universe where the infrastructure you build and fight over is as player driven and dynamic as the EVE market is now". 62% of players: "We're not interested. May we have Plan B, please?" CCP Seagull: "What Plan B?"
Globby ElitistOps Pandemic Legion 304	Posted - 2015.12.30 21:12:16 - [3272] - Quote i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time.
Vertinox Science and Trade Institute Caldari State 5	Posted - 2015.12.30 21:56:54 - [3273] - Quote Globby wrote: i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. Yeah I remember those days. It was kind of scary during burn Jita when you were stuck at the gate mashing the button to enter over and over again.
Pix Severus Mew Age Outpaws 1696	Posted - 2015.12.30 23:01:53 - [3274] - Quote Vertinox wrote: Globby wrote: i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. Yeah I remember those days. It was kind of scary during burn Jita when you were stuck at the gate mashing the button to enter over and over again. That was scary even when Burn Jita wasn't going on! My lord.
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 42507	Posted - 2015.12.30 23:14:34 - [3275] - Quote Pix Severus wrote: Vertinox wrote: Globby wrote: i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. Yeah I remember those days. It was kind of scary during burn Jita when you were stuck at the gate mashing the button to enter over and over again. That was scary even when Burn Jita wasn't going on! I miss the whine threads in GD every couple of weeks when someone would lose a Freighter in Perimeter stuck on the Jita gate and they would complain about not receiving a warning before reaching the gate. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Commander Spurty Moosearmy I N G L O R I O U S 1607	Posted - 2015.12.30 23:38:20 - [3276] - Quote Globby wrote: i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. All those lovely bots.... You did know they were not humans right, right? Oh you didn't know. How terribly sad for you There are good ships And wood ships And ships that sail the sea But the best ships are Spaceships Built by CCP
King Aires Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels 70	Posted - 2015.12.31 00:45:43 - [3277] - Quote Commander Spurty wrote: Globby wrote: i miss the old eve online with a 2100 pilot capped jita 23/7 and 60,000 people logged in at the same time. All those lovely bots.... You did know they were not humans right, right? Oh you didn't know. How terribly sad for you How is it any different today? Besides the names of the bots being less creative and there being half as many as before in local?
Poddington Bare Angur Therapy 38	Posted - 2015.12.31 11:16:33 - [3278] - Quote King Aires wrote: How is it any different today? Besides the names of the bots being less creative and there being half as many as before in local? How is it any different? The names of the bots are less creative and there are half as many as before.
Dalto Bane Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 173	Posted - 2015.12.31 11:23:22 - [3279] - Quote If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created. It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk.. Drops Mic
Samir Duran Xadi Imperial Academy Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2015.12.31 11:42:39 - [3280] - Quote Dalto Bane wrote: If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created. It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk.. There hasn't been any spikes for nearlyr 3 years now. The next dip should be in the summer and we could be seeing 20k peaks next year this time. After that its major downhill, the sandbox cant work with low numbers. Unless, citadels save the day but I doubt it. Free to play in 2017 is my prediction.

Miles Parabellum Fusion Enterprises Ltd Phoenix Company Alliance 54	Posted - 2015.12.31 11:55:43 - [3281] - Quote Eve, the original Netflix show. Make it happen
Dalto Bane Knights of the Posing Meat FETID 174	Posted - 2015.12.31 12:34:25 - [3282] - Quote Samir Duran Xadi wrote: Dalto Bane wrote: If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created. It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk.. There hasn't been any spikes for nearly 3 years now. The next dip should be in the summer and we could be seeing 20k prime-time peaks next year this time. After that its a major downhill, the sandbox cant work with such low numbers. Unless, citadels save the day but I highly doubt it given CCPs recent track record. Free to play in 2017 is my prediction. I would rather pay a subscription for development toward a game I enjoy than not pay a subscription and watch them market micro-transactions as their only way to capitalize on their initial investment, turning it in to a pay-to-win that would eventually avert players who want to play to win. That is if it makes it that far with the astronomical amount of bots that would invade New Eden. Free to Play would destroy this game, and I really believe that. Drops Mic
King Aires Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels 70	Posted - 2015.12.31 13:37:39 - [3283] - Quote Dalto Bane wrote: Samir Duran Xadi wrote: Dalto Bane wrote: If you listen to all the forum posts since 2003, you would know that Eve has been dying since it was created. It has, and will continue to fluctuate during the year, and spike when something hits mainstream media that concerns Eve Online, like B-R. Pay no mind to the "Repent now, the end is near" talk.. There hasn't been any spikes for nearly 3 years now. The next dip should be in the summer and we could be seeing 20k prime-time peaks next year this time. After that its a major downhill, the sandbox cant work with such low numbers. Unless, citadels save the day but I highly doubt it given CCPs recent track record. Free to play in 2017 is my prediction. I would rather pay a subscription for development toward a game I enjoy than not pay a subscription and watch them market micro-transactions as their only way to capitalize on their initial investment, turning it in to a pay-to-win that would eventually avert players who want to play to win. That is if it makes it that far with the astronomical amount of bots that would invade New Eden. Free to Play would destroy this game, and I really believe that. Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore. I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money. We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise. So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7272	Posted - 2015.12.31 14:24:23 - [3284] - Quote GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7272	Posted - 2015.12.31 14:26:09 - [3285] - Quote Miles Parabellum wrote: Eve, the original Netflix show. Make it happen Aye aye, cap'n. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Nevyn Auscent Broke Sauce 2874	Posted - 2015.12.31 14:44:58 - [3286] - Quote King Aires wrote: Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore. I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money. We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise. So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves. The lengthy posts against the SP swapping idea tell us people are not numb to the idea. Multi-train was already being done, and actually is more expensive than training on a separate account then transferring the character with 2 plex. Skins give no in game advantage. Plex actually help the game by combating gold selling which would have existed far more without plex and none of the money would have gone to CCP. So none of the three things you have listed as already in game have anything in common with SP swapping/buying or ship buying directly with credit cards.
King Aires Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels 70	Posted - 2015.12.31 14:52:17 - [3287] - Quote Nevyn Auscent wrote: King Aires wrote: Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore. I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money. We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise. So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves. The lengthy posts against the SP swapping idea tell us people are not numb to the idea. Multi-train was already being done, and actually is more expensive than training on a separate account then transferring the character with 2 plex. Skins give no in game advantage. Plex actually help the game by combating gold selling which would have existed far more without plex and none of the money would have gone to CCP. So none of the three things you have listed as already in game have anything in common with SP swapping/buying or ship buying directly with credit cards. It is a process. And the introduction of ideas by CCP slowly, then eventually is common history. Some would argue that Plex does the exact opposite of stemming the tide of isk selling because it gives people avenues to easily make money off this game through illegal processes. We can't get into depth without ISD jumping in. And if you cant see how someone buying skin, that is then given isk for it isn't an advantage then I can't help you very much understand this game. Is it pay to win? nope. But it does give people a leg up and makes people appreciate the grind for assets less. (creating more instant gratification players). Everything I have listed was a gateway to the eventuality that CCP will have a website where you can paypal your way into a nice shiny Rattlesnake, or Nyx, or whatever with a click of a button.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7273	Posted - 2015.12.31 15:08:03 - [3288] - Quote King Aires wrote: Nevyn Auscent wrote: King Aires wrote: Micro-transactions door were opened years ago and have been embraced with open arms. You don't know our playerbase anymore. I am as guilty as any, I have hundreds of ship skins. I paid for them in-game but it still supported someone paying to get ahead with real money. We slowly let CCP introduce things toxic to this game, Plex, Skins, Multi-Train. Now we are numb to SP swapping, SP buying, ship and module purchasing, all things coming in the future I promise. So whether we keep the sub model or go f2p, micro-transactions are going to make this game look like Farmville over the next couple years. And we did it to ourselves. The lengthy posts against the SP swapping idea tell us people are not numb to the idea. Multi-train was already being done, and actually is more expensive than training on a separate account then transferring the character with 2 plex. Skins give no in game advantage. Plex actually help the game by combating gold selling which would have existed far more without plex and none of the money would have gone to CCP. So none of the three things you have listed as already in game have anything in common with SP swapping/buying or ship buying directly with credit cards. It is a process. Tell that to BioWare. Then ask them what they're doing about all the new free accounts that get made every day for the express purpose of spamming players in SWTOR with links to goldbuying websites. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 2052	Posted - 2015.12.31 15:09:12 - [3289] - Quote Nonsense, you're just trying to use faulty logic again. We've always been FINE with Micro transactions as long as it's cosmetics and done in a reasonable manner. In fact we've been trying to encourage CCP to do more of it and to do it in a smarter and better focussed way. We've NEVER stated we'd be ok with P2W or P2A in fact we rallied against it numerous times. You're just trying to piggyback onto the "see, we're ok with MT" to try and push the "I want P2A".
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7275	Posted - 2015.12.31 15:19:21 - [3290] - Quote Gregor Parud wrote: Nonsense, you're just trying to use faulty logic again. We've always been FINE with Micro transactions as long as it's cosmetics and done in a reasonable manner. In fact we've been trying to encourage CCP to do more of it and to do it in a smarter and better focussed way. We've NEVER stated we'd be ok with P2W or P2A in fact we rallied against it numerous times. You're just trying to piggyback onto the "see, we're ok with MT" to try and push the "I want P2A". This a thousand times. Can't really elaborate more than this. MTs are fine. Pay-to-win is not. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104

King Aires Chicks on Speed Mordus Angels 71	Posted - 2015.12.31 16:13:47 - [3291] - Quote Remiel Pollard wrote: Gregor Parud wrote: Nonsense, you're just trying to use faulty logic again. We've always been FINE with Micro transactions as long as it's cosmetics and done in a reasonable manner. In fact we've been trying to encourage CCP to do more of it and to do it in a smarter and better focussed way. We've NEVER stated we'd be ok with P2W or P2A in fact we rallied against it numerous times. You're just trying to piggyback onto the "see, we're ok with MT" to try and push the "I want P2A". This a thousand times. Can't really elaborate more than this. MTs are fine. Pay-to-win is not. I can't elaborate on your failure to understand simple concepts. But I can elaborate that in no way, shape or form is the community "FINE" with microtransactions. It was a slowly introduced feature that CCP continues to expand on, we have fought them every step of the way but they were smart enough to slowly put them in so the rage was minimal. You do not get to be the voice of the people, just because you think you are more important than everyone else.
Linna Excel Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 248	Posted - 2015.12.31 16:22:59 - [3292] - Quote A question semi-related to the topic of the thread: I haven't heard about many epic null fights on non-eve sites in forever. Does that have something to do with the lack of new people? I mean in the past, you'd expect some crapstrom to make news in places like the escapist, kotaku, or d-toid once a year or so. Maybe the game isn't getting enough free publicity like it used to. IMO the best thing to increase subs is for a titan pilot to hit bridge to start a 2,000 player battle again. I can has blogging skills!
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7280	Posted - 2015.12.31 16:31:17 - [3293] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: A question semi-related to the topic of the thread: I haven't heard about many epic null fights on non-eve sites in forever. Does that have something to do with the lack of new people? I mean in the past, you'd expect some crapstrom to make news in places like the escapist, kotaku, or d-toid once a year or so. Maybe the game isn't getting enough free publicity like it used to. IMO the best thing to increase subs is for a titan pilot to hit bridge to start a 2,000 player battle again. PC Gamer is still reviewing EVE Online updates. PC Gamer is not just some blog site, they've been doing games and tech journalism for longer than the WWW has existed. The top comment on that page is: "So, a week ago (after trying so many times) I decided to give Eve a proper go... Now I've got more of a grasp on the game I'm totally hooked. I've got so much to learn and the game isn't very good at hand holding - though there's plenty of players happy to help - but I can see why it's a total life suck." New people are coming, and getting very interested. This guy here is starting out with a decent enough attitude that once he learns how to not let it suck his life away and still enjoy it, he'll probably stick around. I can say with confidence that I'm not worried about the health of EVE right now. Because I see a lot of new players getting stuck into it like this almost every day. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 29458	Posted - 2015.12.31 16:46:47 - [3294] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: A question semi-related to the topic of the thread: I haven't heard about many epic null fights on non-eve sites in forever. Does that have something to do with the lack of new people? I mean in the past, you'd expect some crapstrom to make news in places like the escapist, kotaku, or d-toid once a year or so. Maybe the game isn't getting enough free publicity like it used to. IMO the best thing to increase subs is for a titan pilot to hit bridge to start a 2,000 player battle again. You look like Cam ... Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...
Funky Death Perkone Caldari State 0	Posted - 2015.12.31 17:05:53 - [3295] - Quote If new pilots have more incentive to stay, and not be confonted with skillplans that takes longer than a year to complete. They would be more inclined to stay. If you gave pilots a means to reinvent themselfs without cost. Poeple wouldnt give up as they do. Plex price and fozzysov arnt really the big elephants in this room.
Remiel Pollard Shock Treatment Ministries 7280	Posted - 2015.12.31 17:15:52 - [3296] - Quote Funky Death wrote: If new pilots have more incentive to stay, and not be confonted with skillplans that takes longer than a year to complete. They would be more inclined to stay. If you gave pilots a means to reinvent themselfs without cost. Poeple wouldnt give up as they do. Plex price and fozzysov arnt really the big elephants in this room. See, what's really going on is, people are calling the things they don't like themselves the reason why new players aren't staying. Again, "think of the children" is not a point. GÇ£Some capsuleers claim that ECM is 'dishonorable' and 'unfair'. Jam those ones first, and kill them last.GÇ¥ - Jirai 'Fatal' Laitanen, Pithum Nullifier Training Manual c. YC104
Bringer of BadNews Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation 6	Posted - 2015.12.31 20:04:24 - [3297] - Quote Eve is dying
Scipio Artelius The Vendunari End of Life 42549	Posted - 2015.12.31 20:37:41 - [3298] - Quote Linna Excel wrote: A question semi-related to the topic of the thread: I haven't heard about many epic null fights on non-eve sites in forever. Does that have something to do with the lack of new people? I mean in the past, you'd expect some crapstrom to make news in places like the escapist, kotaku, or d-toid once a year or so. Maybe the game isn't getting enough free publicity like it used to. The last big fight to make news outside Eve was B-R on 27 January 2014, so we are approaching 2 years ago. I think the reason is more to do with CCP design decision rather than a lack of new players (who aren't generally involved in those massive fights to much degree). It began with the Phoebe travel changes, where in the devblog there are a couple of relevant quotes: *Why this?/Why now?* [the travel changes] - Big fights are cool, but theyGÇÖre crowding out more accessible and more frequent smaller ones. What are the anticipated consequences? In the short term, we would anticipate a reduction in the degree to which the average non-trivial capital fight escalates, and the number of parties involved. This seems likely to increase the frequency of capitals being deployed in small-scale engagements, in both lowsec and nullsec. ... it seems plausible that the general reduction in travel capabilities will lead to more localism CCP wanted to design large fights out of the game to a degree, opening the door to more Capital use in lowsec and more localised conflict. That was also further emphasised with the introducton of Aegis sov, which was designed to break large fights under Dominion sov into several smaller skirmishes over command nodes. Looking back, the changes have been really successful in achieving what CCP predicted back then, but it's clear that a lot of players want big fights back again. Come Win At Eve - Join The Vendunari
Gregor Parud Ordo Ardish 2057	Posted - 2015.12.31 21:12:15 - [3299] - Quote Adding to the above: - many alt accounts were closed as there's less use for massive capital alt armies, this was obviously expected so no one sane is surprised by a drop in player numbers - some people who really enjoy the large fleets fights stop bothering, probably a minority but still. This was obviously expected so no one sane is surprised by a drop in player numbers
Solecist Project The Scope Gallente Federation 29479	Posted - 2015.12.31 21:17:12 - [3300] - Quote Well and I have only two days left and nothing of interest came to my mind for the last month. I can now fly a Sabre, but **** if I knew what I should do with it. Ah well, was a nice month. :p Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: The game has changed little from my point of view ... yet here I am, playing again with 3 accounts...



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