underestimated

Fair enough, there will always be fitting choices when trying to fit oversized mods.

But even if I drop down to a LSE + Large ASB, there is still a lot of extra powergrid, and CPU is still tight, or you go over trying to use your utility highslots. I still think it could use some tweaking:

http://i.imgur.com/LHMuqNG.png

Not sure if anyone else has spoken about the Cyclone yet but I find the ship extremely frustrating.

One of the low slots in a Cyclone essentially has a Co-Processor welded in it. This is extremely annoying. I can't find any effective fit (which isn't armour tanked - yes you can armour tank a Cyclone. It's not bad) which doesn't require that co-processor.

I would approve of the cyclone receiving a heavy buff to CPU and moving a low slot to a mid (I would shed a tear for losing the armour tank option but I think it is worth it).

The reasons for this are that I simply find that the Cyclone does not have enough mid slots. A CBC really needs to fit both a prop mod and a MJD to be effective. The cyclone then needs to squeeze in a shield booster and a scram and web along with an invul field to be 100% effective. It needs that extra mid.


Also, in order to use a MJD aggressively, CBC's require the ability to lock a target at 100km. Minmatar CBC's literally can not do this effectively. Other racial CBC's can, even with a slight fitting tweak. This is a "must buff" for me.

And mines is that missiles are the only weapon system harshly penalized because they don't have the options all others do for their weapon fittings. Therefore those are the only ships forced into fitting mods, or just not bothering.

Downsizing from 425 to 220 or 180 is a far smaller hit than losing a BCU for a fitting mod, for example.

Here's an idea: give the medium micro jump drive a bonus to targeting range while active.
Right now MMJD is only usable as a defensive module except for the buffer tanked Myrmidon, Gnosis and N. Harbinger which can afford to sacrifice their 5th midslot for a sensor booster. This would allow battlecruisers to start locking as they spool up their MMJD which would make them a real threat to kiting ships which is very useful and much needed.

Both of these fits are fairly rare, but nevertheless quite powerfull. Hence the ship beeing rare as hell, **** 90% of the time due to misues but a all around good ship in the right hands.

Best love they can get is for t3 cruisers to lose the ability to fit warfare links and be nullified and fit a cov ops cloak at the same time.

All of the Battlecruisers are "good in the right hands" (except the Drake maybe), not changing it "just because" is simply idiotic.

Not really, the ones that are arent getting changed much (cylcone, myrm). The rest was pretty bad all around.

Not really, the ones that are arent getting changed much (cylcone, myrm). The rest was pretty bad all around.

I love to bring this up as often as I can, muahahaha

The reason for this "punishment" was as you might have guessed - 100% application. I didn't bring it up the last few times but it was implied.

Can you see now why I want it back?

I made a post about wanting to shorten the train of t2 bc's already, but I do have a more complex idea.

What if we separated the role of t2 bc's into their own category and skill train

Certain T2 BC's aren't used as actual boosters at all, like the sleipnir or absolution now a days. Wouldn't it make sense to make one section of t2 bc's be combat only and not have such a long train as the actual booster t2 bc's? Make the combat bc's like the sleipnir just be minmatar battlecruiser 5 only so you don't have to train all the boosting skills. Then if you really want a t2 bc booster like the astarte, then make people do the 90 day train to run them. It's the reason why you don't see t2 bc's being used that much other than lowsec boosting or large on grid fleet fights, like the damnation.