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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:25:00 -
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On Thursday, 4 January, Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates. We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; however we cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity until after the end of the scheduled downtime.
Users that log in before the end of the scheduled downtime will be playing 'at risk' and will not be reimbursed for losses incurred by upgrade related issues.
We apologize for the inconvenience the extended downtime will cause for some members of the community and encourage training a long duration skill.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Templer Relleg
Dark Knights of Deneb
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:30:00 -
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Will there be a client patch for this DT?
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Jaruk Talis
Caldari
AWE Corporation
Intrepid Crossing
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:31:00 -
[3]
Will this fix the insanely annoying mail bugs?
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Uagen Zlepe
Kinetic Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.02 17:36:00 -
[4]
knowing when where and why..
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:12:00 -
[5]
Will the mail bug be fixed?
Will we finally get the  s replaced with real pictures? They said it would take a week, its been a month.
Will there be a client patch? Will the year-old warp-bubbles-not-affecting-emergency-warp bug be fixed? Will the aggro timer bug be fixed after two years?
-[23] Member-
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame) |
ZaKma
The Scope
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:21:00 -
[6]
DS I think you're dreaming there. 
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:43:00 -
[7]
Good luck on a smooth upgrade CCP and thanks for all you do for us to help EVE be the best game ever! 
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Lil Miner
Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Chronus26
Gallente
Dark Blood Contracts
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:46:00 -
[8]
 Originally by: kieron
On Thursday, 4 January, Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates.
He's made it pretty clear there that it's not the game software being updated/maintained.
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SmokeTheFly
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Posted - 2007.01.02 18:48:00 -
[9]
Fingers crossed for more rewarding empire exploration. 
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defiler
Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:02:00 -
[10]
The only change I expect to see after this DT is improved game performance (less lag). Which in itself is worth extended DT IMHO. Maybe they prepare the databases for some upcoming new features as well... In any case, rock on and good luck!
Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004. |
Letouk Mernel
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:09:00 -
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At what time will this downtime start? Are we talking, 11 AM Thursday to 12 PM Friday (including Friday's daily downtime)?
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Dark Shikari
Caldari
Imperium Technologies
Firmus Ixion
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:12:00 -
[12]
Originally by: Chronus26
Originally by: kieron
On Thursday, 4 January, Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates.
He's made it pretty clear there that it's not the game software being updated/maintained.
In which case... why? The mail bug has been around for weeks now, and CCP themselves says its fixed in the code--why not deploy a small patch to fix it? I'd happily sacrifice a few hours of downtime to get that goddamned bug fixed.
-[23] Member-
Listen to EVE-Trance Radio! (DSTrance channel ingame) |
Dominie Dirtch
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:13:00 -
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After all the downtime when are we going to get a free day?
To all the 'oh its only bleh amount of money'
I don't care :) i pay to play not to be unable to play due to extended downtimes. Over the past two months we have lost about 3 days of play-time due to downtimes...
And to any dev who says that expansions are free - if they weren't you would loose allot of customers so its not only good for us, but good for your company.
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darklegionca
Caldari
Caldari Provisions
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Posted - 2007.01.02 19:50:00 -
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Edited by: darklegionca on 02/01/2007 19:51:04
ffs this is the 4th time i will have to change my skil its like you guys know when my skill is about to be done and plan around it bah
my skill was to be done on the 4th @ 8 pm
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:05:00 -
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There will not be a client patch deployed during the extended maintenance period on Thursday. There will be a patch later in the month to address issues remaining after the Revelations deployment, such as the e-mail notification issue.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:15:00 -
[16]
Originally by: Dominie Dirtch
... blather ...
What's your PayPal address? I'll send you $1.45 for your 3 days of "lost" play if you're unable to read the EULA which states "While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play."
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Lil Miner
Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Heroldyn
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:15:00 -
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would be great if extended downtimes could be announced a bit earlier in future.
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Azerrad InExile
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:19:00 -
[18]
Originally by: kieron
We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; however we cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity until after the end of the scheduled downtime.
Why not be honest and say you cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity after the scheduled downtime either? Hell, its part of the EULA:
Originally by: EULA
NO WARRANTIES
The Software, System, Game and all Game Content, and all other services and material provided in connection therewith, are provided "AS IS," with all faults, and without warranty of any kind. You assume all risk of use and all risk associated with accessing the System and playing the Game.
CCP disclaims all warranties, whether express or implied, including without limitation the warranties of merchantability, fitness for particular purpose and non-infringement. There is no warranty against interference with your enjoyment of the Game. CCP does not warrant that the operation of the System or your access to the System, or that your use of the Software, will be uninterrupted or error-free, nor that the System or Software will be compatible with your hardware and software.
While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play. The System may become unavailable for a number of reasons, including without limitation during the performance of maintenance to the System, for the implementation of new software, for emergency situations and due to equipment or telecommunications failures.
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Joshua Foiritain
Gallente
Coreli Corporation
Corelum Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:22:00 -
[19]
Argh damnit why in the vacation? 
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TimtheTerror
Caldari
Crazy 88's
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.02 20:39:00 -
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Will the downtime start at 12:00 as per usual?
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wizzard66
Gallente
Evolution
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.02 21:12:00 -
[21]
Nice.
During the vacation :-((
Although im happy things will be fixed, the timing is lousy
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zuppy2020
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:09:00 -
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I think it's time for CCP to give us money back for those offline days. I don't care that there are only 50 eurocents, it's my money and I worked for it. There are too many extended downtime pediods lately.
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Michayel Lyon
The Corporation
Cruel Intentions
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:18:00 -
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Originally by: zuppy2020
I think it's time for CCP to give us money back for those offline days. I don't care that there are only 50 eurocents, it's my money and I worked for it. There are too many extended downtime pediods lately.
No downtime, no patches. And if you don't have patches, you wont get any new content or bugs fixed.
You really can't have the cake and eat it too. Or do you suggest that CCP try to jam all patches into the 1 hour daily downtime, or even have no daily downtime at all?
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Lasiverin Dark > Is everyone here allied?
Red Knight > we are allied by our zombie like ability to ***** missions |
Zekk Pacus
Caldari
StateCorp
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Posted - 2007.01.02 22:24:00 -
[24]
Originally by: wizzard66
Nice.
During the vacation :-((
Although im happy things will be fixed, the timing is lousy
Especially the two days' warning.
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Draqun
Caldari
Wo Zhi Dao
Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:34:00 -
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you forgot to add
Set a long skill training before then.
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If your too paranoid to play Eve
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Draqun
Caldari
Wo Zhi Dao
Rogue Method Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:35:00 -
[26]
Originally by: Templer Relleg
Will there be a client patch for this DT?
. . . I hate to say this
But I would not like it if they patched game code this soon after a holiday!
Let them get fully recovered from their partys first!
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First rule of playing EVE online
If your too paranoid to play Eve
your not paranoid enough to play Eve |
Jouno
Reikoku
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 00:51:00 -
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very very bad timing for a 24 hour patch and it dosent even fix the mail bug ??? 
disappointed
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 02:13:00 -
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what is CCP hoping to gain specifically from this upgrade care to share specific target areas
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zuppy2020
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.03 03:39:00 -
[29]
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
No downtime, no patches. And if you don't have patches, you wont get any new content or bugs fixed.
You really can't have the cake and eat it too. Or do you suggest that CCP try to jam all patches into the 1 hour daily downtime, or even have no daily downtime at all?
I know how things work because I'm a programmer, but ... I really don't care about it as long as it happens on a day that I paid for. It's not about the money, it's about respect.
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Loyal Servant
Caldari
Cornhole Inc.
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.01.03 05:25:00 -
[30]
Originally by: kieron
On Thursday, 4 January, Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates. We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; however we cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity until after the end of the scheduled downtime.
Users that log in before the end of the scheduled downtime will be playing 'at risk' and will not be reimbursed for losses incurred by upgrade related issues.
We apologize for the inconvenience the extended downtime will cause for some members of the community and encourage training a long duration skill.
WHAT?! if you log in before the 'official' end of this DT your losses will not be reimbursed?
Why not do this:
DONT START THE CLUSTER UNTIL YOUR *REALLY* DONE!
You guys know DAMNED well that people are going to petition, so why put yourselves thru that aggravation and even make asinine statements like that?
Cornhole, Inc. - Cornholeing eve one system at a time.
Member, The Sudden Death Squad [TSDS]
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defiler
Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2007.01.03 06:43:00 -
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If you can't accept the situation then don't log in before the end of the scheduled downtime. Problem solved.
Seriously, what's so bad with bringing a potentially unstable cluster online if the users are aware of what might happen if they log in? If initial (which I'd wager are quite thorough) tests indicate rock-solid performance, shouldn't they open it up?
I for one welcome the opportunity to take care of some non-critical in-station business, but I won't undock within 24 hours no matter how stable the cluster seems. I humbly suggest that you do the same.
Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004. |
rodgerd
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 07:17:00 -
[32]
Will this fix the incredible dissapearing skillbooks, I wonder?
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Not the opinions of my corp or my alliance. |
Retsil Evad
Caldari
Coalition of Inter-Galactic Addicted Rodents
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Posted - 2007.01.03 08:20:00 -
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As long as they get the network infrastructure and database sorted that is all I am worried about at the moment
CIGAR Corp is Recruiting |
Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2007.01.03 09:36:00 -
[34]
Why enable logins before you consider the server to be stable enough for reimbursement claims to be valid? May I remind you that it's not a test server? You're aware that most people don't consider EVE to be a beta version anymore, right?
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Siddious
Brotherhood of Lost Souls
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Posted - 2007.01.03 10:00:00 -
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Please also fix the mailbug during this downtime. If you expect it only takes 12 hour make it a bit longer and fix that anoing bug.
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Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 10:52:00 -
[36]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
In which case... why? The mail bug has been around for weeks now, and CCP themselves says its fixed in the code--why not deploy a small patch to fix it? I'd happily sacrifice a few hours of downtime to get that bug fixed.
I fixed that bug myself. I don't check my mail anymore and simply mental ignore that icon. Problem solved! .. CCP style! 
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
"A world without pain" |
Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:05:00 -
[37]
Ha!, people loves to complain and demand. And talking about addictions...
Good luck with the upgrade. I'll care for other things during that time.
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Johncrab
Minmatar
Typo Corp
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:08:00 -
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Fix the damn bugs. The knowne issues page looks like my grocery list for xmas dinner. |
Umbriele
Gallente
Black Eclipse Corp
Band of Brothers
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:12:00 -
[39]
Originally by: Joshua Foiritain
Argh damnit why in the vacation?
Vacation + downtime = time to clear the flat 
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Mortok Tristan
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:26:00 -
[40]
Originally by: Scorpyn
Why enable logins before you consider the server to be stable enough for reimbursement claims to be valid? May I remind you that it's not a test server? You're aware that most people don't consider EVE to be a beta version anymore, right?
Its very simple really, they wont know its stable, until WE test it :) Since day one the playerbase has been CCP's QA department in case you haven't noticed.
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Bl4zer
Ubar Asteroid Hugging Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:34:00 -
[41]
Originally by: Kylania
What's your PayPal address? I'll send you $1.45 for your 3 days of "lost" play if you're unable to read the EULA which states "While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play."
Just because there is no guarantee of service does not mean that there is no compensation due if the service is not provided.
For example, all airlines have similar clauses about not guaranteeing that a particular flight will be flown. But if they do not provide the booked flight then compensation is due.
And the clauses that some shyster companies try to insert into their contracts saying that no compensation is payable will just be ignored if they ever come before a beak.
I'll send you my paypal address in game. Its nice that you have taken over CCP's liability in this issue.
Save the Ubar asteroids
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Gothikia
Revelations Inc.
Shroud Of Darkness
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:46:00 -
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Originally by: kieron
We apologize for the inconvenience the extended downtime will cause for some members of the community and encourage training a long duration skill.
29 days skill long enough?  if not im gonna be a tad upset and be a little girl and cry about it...
then there will be bloodshed
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ISD pwned my last sig.. just imagine a really hawt guy with cool eye makeup on and a pic of a deimos with my name on it... gothie > mods tbh, muahaha
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Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2007.01.03 11:47:00 -
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Edited by: Scorpyn on 03/01/2007 11:47:04
Originally by: Mortok Tristan
Originally by: Scorpyn
Why enable logins before you consider the server to be stable enough for reimbursement claims to be valid? May I remind you that it's not a test server? You're aware that most people don't consider EVE to be a beta version anymore, right?
Its very simple really, they wont know its stable, until WE test it :) Since day one the playerbase has been CCP's QA department in case you haven't noticed.
The 2 last questions were rethorical.
The problem isn't the lack of a QA department (there is one actually), the problem is the lack of bugfixes. It doesn't matter if you make bug reports when known issues aren't dealt with.
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Eric Hunt
Amarr
UK Corp
Lotka Volterra
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:29:00 -
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I am like thousands of other players - totally addicted to Eve, and while we all try and keep our doubts at bay with regard to stability, extended downtimes and general crappyness - this is now begining to smell like WoW
Has CCP been bought out by WoW, or is it normal for a well run, outstanding and much loved company to go down the road of complete ruin by ignoring its customers, by releasing software / updates and patches when it wants, with no regard to the consquences. I think we have lost nearly a week in 24/7 game play to instability, lagg and crappy responses - but all I ever hear is "Its in the T & C's )
Customers are what keep Eve alive, profitable and enjoyable - CCP need to realise this
This is my opinion only and does not reflect the views of my Corp or Alliance
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Maggie Moo
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:39:00 -
[45]
How about updating the item database and seeding gas harvesters on market?
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Freaky Bare
Minmatar
Blueprint Haus
Center for Disease Creation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 12:51:00 -
[46]
Edited by: Freaky Bare on 03/01/2007 12:53:14
I am fine with the extended downtime. I am even glad they are covering themselves by saying 12-24 hours. I do not think it is right, however, to tell us 'go ahead and play - but no reimbursements if we mess up.' I don't mine risking a cheap ship if I decide to fly it, but other things could be at risk.
For example: I have some buy/sell orders on the market. If it charges me instead of my client, when they buy something from me - I won't be reimbursed??
I know that sounds unlikely, but what problems ARE likely? This is a hardware update - no patch. So it should be using code that is already working. (for the most part) I know that bugs may come up, but why the extreme policy?
Regarding paying for downtime. We ALL know there is some downtime. It is the same here as for most/all other games. We can choose to accept that as a fact of life ... or we can stop paying for the game. We do not have a clause in our contract with CCP penalizing us for cancelling our subscriptions.
edit: Oh, and never do this on a Thursday - it is my day off! Let us make a list - any days/times that do not work for every single subscriber please remove from your update/patch calender - thanks!
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 13:35:00 -
[47]
Originally by: kieron
Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates.
Translation:
We are not fixing any of the problems you know about, but we are fixing a bunch of problems you don't know about... yet
Originally by: kieron
We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; however we cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity until after the end of the scheduled downtime.
Users that log in before the end of the scheduled downtime will be playing 'at risk' and will not be reimbursed for losses incurred by upgrade related issues.
Translation:
As usual we will use the poor suckers that can't wait to play as beta testers.
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Dmian
Gallente
Starline Engineering Corporation
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Posted - 2007.01.03 14:57:00 -
[48]
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: kieron
Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates.
Translation:
We are not fixing any of the problems you know about, but we are fixing a bunch of problems you don't know about... yet
Originally by: kieron
We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; however we cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity until after the end of the scheduled downtime.
Users that log in before the end of the scheduled downtime will be playing 'at risk' and will not be reimbursed for losses incurred by upgrade related issues.
Translation:
As usual we will use the poor suckers that can't wait to play as beta testers.
It's a little simplistic to see it that way.
First sentence can be understood as: we are fixing problems on the server side so it runs better.
The second is more like: we know some of you will try to connect before the mentioned time and we can't do nothing to stop you, so don't cry later if you miss something.
Regards.
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implanted
Caldari
E X O D U S
Imperial Republic Of the North
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:16:00 -
[49]
"whine"want money back....."whine"fix mail....."whine"cant play.....Get a life and go to the pub for the day ffs i hate bloody whiners
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Craefter
Royal Logistics Service
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Posted - 2007.01.03 15:28:00 -
[50]
Please don't upgrade anything and go back on another vacation!
Apart from the e-mail bug things have been running pretty well while you were away. No Jump queues, no major lag, client crashes.
Hmm... I see a pattern emerging.
I think it's called "job security" what you are doing, is it?
-Creafter
The Kingdom has started, don't miss your chance to be part of it.
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Sainna
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Posted - 2007.01.03 16:41:00 -
[51]
Every MMORPG has its whiners.
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Ironnight
Caldari
Bloody Needles
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:25:00 -
[52]
Extended DT again?
And letting people on early with no reimbursment is asking for trouble.
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zuppy2020
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:48:00 -
[53]
Originally by: implanted
"whine"want money back....."whine"fix mail....."whine"cant play.....Get a life and go to the pub for the day ffs i hate bloody whiners
Well ... I'm whining on my money, I want just a little respect from CCP. They're not doing this for me, they're doing for themselves to earn more money from me and you. 
I told you, it's not about the money. And I do have a life, actually I need a day off.
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.03 17:54:00 -
[54]
The changes being made are to improve connectivity to the game and improve database performance. No game play changes are being made, nor are any patches being deployed. A patch to address issues, such as the mail notification bug, will be deployed later in the month.
In regards to those voicing concerns about the server being available after the infrastructure upgrade and before the end of the scheduled downtime, they have been noted. If there is a large enough response from the community, I will have the operations team take TQ down for the entire duration of the upgrade and checks. In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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defiler
Caldari
Mad Hermit
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:11:00 -
[55]
Originally by: kieron
[...] In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
Noooooo!
Mad Hermit - Minding our own business since 2004. |
Demitri Klashnikov
Amarr
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
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Posted - 2007.01.03 18:57:00 -
[56]
Originally by: zuppy2020
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
No downtime, no patches. And if you don't have patches, you wont get any new content or bugs fixed.
You really can't have the cake and eat it too. Or do you suggest that CCP try to jam all patches into the 1 hour daily downtime, or even have no daily downtime at all?
I know how things work because I'm a programmer, but ... I really don't care about it as long as it happens on a day that I paid for. It's not about the money, it's about respect.
How much did you pay for the Revelations expansion pack?
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Altaree
Gallente
Red Frog Investments
Daikoku Trade Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:03:00 -
[57]
You sir, have a POOR sense of humor. Ignore the whiners and bring it back up asap!
Originally by: kieron
The changes being made are to improve connectivity to the game and improve database performance. No game play changes are being made, nor are any patches being deployed. A patch to address issues, such as the mail notification bug, will be deployed later in the month.
In regards to those voicing concerns about the server being available after the infrastructure upgrade and before the end of the scheduled downtime, they have been noted. If there is a large enough response from the community, I will have the operations team take TQ down for the entire duration of the upgrade and checks. In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
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Harisdrop
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:07:00 -
[58]
This is a disturbing trend. I have always believed CCP did things as they see fit. If there is any indication you go by popular vote on a simple thing as this I hope the EVE gods grace on the future.
New NPC NPC Market |
Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:14:00 -
[59]
Originally by: Demitri Klashnikov
How much did you pay for the Revelations expansion pack?
The correct question is:
Can I go back and play EVE the way it was pre-revelations? I'd jump on that in a second.
There are no free packs. Having thousands of paying customers beta test CCPs experiments does not count as a 'free upgrade'. The fact that CCP shoves bugs that have been around for years under the rug and spends time and money on new content is an obvious indication that the real focus is on attracting new customers, not improving the game.
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Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision |
SonOTassadar
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
Brutally Clever Empire
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:30:00 -
[60]
Originally by: kieron
In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
I saw quite a different response from your community right after you said this.
Good luck, CCP. I hope this improves the game we all love to play, and what the majority of people who come to these boards love to whine about.
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Griffin -- 100,000 ISK
ECM - Multispectral Jammer Is -- 20,000 ISK
Standar Missile Launcher Is -- 10,000 ISK
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Tachy
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Posted - 2007.01.03 19:57:00 -
[61]
Edited by: Tachy on 03/01/2007 19:58:39
Will Tranquility finally get the multihoming feature that's been one of the main reasons for the move from Simin to Sublevel3 from early last year?
Are the session issues for the forum software finally fixed for good?
Will the test server, the portrait rendering rig and the forum sserver die again shortly after the patch? (SCNR)
--*=*=*--
The cause for this is not yet known, but we do have a possible fix in testing.
by Sharkbait | 2006.09.20 |
Kuolematon
Space Perverts and Forum Warriors United
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.03 21:05:00 -
[62]
Originally by: kieron
A patch to address issues, such as the mail notification bug, will be deployed later in the month.
Thanks, but still .. you guys don't belive that it's THAT big bug, right? Well, sadly it is. 
But I have to wait like a little bunny wabbit that I am.
"It's great being Amarr, ain't it?Ö"
"A world without pain" |
Ravaged Soul
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Posted - 2007.01.03 22:20:00 -
[63]
Originally by: kieron
In regards to those voicing concerns about the server being available after the infrastructure upgrade and before the end of the scheduled downtime, they have been noted. If there is a large enough response from the community, I will have the operations team take TQ down for the entire duration of the upgrade and checks. In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
A good Holiday? Doesn't sound like it.
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HankMurphy
Pelennor Swarm
Eternal Rangers of Terror
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Posted - 2007.01.03 23:09:00 -
[64]
2007.01.03 09:30
HankMurphy has declared war on Mailbox.
After 24 hours fighting can legally occur between those involved.
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Zephyr Stryker
Amarr
Kona Buds
The SUdden Death Squad
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Posted - 2007.01.04 01:39:00 -
[65]
Originally by: defiler
Seriously, what's so bad with bringing a potentially unstable cluster online if the users are aware of what might happen if they log in?
Why does everyone assume every user even bothers to read the news items (or even the notes on the login screen for that matter)? What about people that were on vacation for the holidays and come back right after the 12 hours expected downtime, logs in, and suddenly finds out his account gets deleted or some bad thing like that?
You can't assume everyone will know what's going on. I'm a project manager at a software company, and if I found out that some of my developers knew they wrote a potentially disastrous application if used incorrectly and assumed people would not use it incorrectly, they would be fired.
Moral of the story: Don't give people the chance to 'be at risk' especially when it's within your power to prevent it.
On a side note, people are going to complain about the downtime no matter how long it is. Someone that's going to protest over a 24 hour downtime is also going to complain about a 12 hour downtime -- and imagine the things they'll complain about if they log on after that 12 hours and something bad happens? Oh yeah, even more complaining and petitions.
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zuppy2020
Minmatar
W33D Corp.
O X I D E
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Posted - 2007.01.04 03:43:00 -
[66]
I give up, people can't read.
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JP Moregain
Gallente
EVE Reserve Bank
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Posted - 2007.01.04 04:36:00 -
[67]
Originally by: Dark Shikari
Will we finally get the s replaced with real pictures? They said it would take a week, its been a month.
Thanks for caring DS, but will you still love me when I am not so slender and punctuated looking?
Regards,
JP
http://www.evereserve.com |
Jackie Fisher
Caldari
Caldari Navy Support
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Posted - 2007.01.04 09:35:00 -
[68]
Edited by: Jackie Fisher on 04/01/2007 09:36:18
Edited by: Jackie Fisher on 04/01/2007 09:35:28
I do feel that a better job could be done of making users aware of downtimes. Front page news on this site refers to Decembers patch, client news top item (last night) was about key loggers - too easy to miss the downtime as this was down the news items list.
Last patch in December I missed the downtime announcement even though I checked the devel blog less than 24 hours before it happened.
I appreciate more notice is not always possible but keeping the homepage news up to date downtime wise and more prominent flagging in the client would be a big help.
Caldari Navy Support |
Shayla Etherodyne
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Posted - 2007.01.04 09:39:00 -
[69]
Originally by: rodgerd
Will this fix the incredible dissapearing skillbooks, I wonder?
I am not aware of this one. As I am an avid skillbooks collector, I am very interested in any problem.
Someone can give more informations?
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ghosttr
Amarr
Point-Zero
Ratel Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.04 09:44:00 -
[70]
Originally by: kieron
On Thursday, 4 January, Tranquility will undergo an extended 24 hour downtime for external network infrastructure changes and database server software updates. We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; however we cannot guarantee network stability or connectivity until after the end of the scheduled downtime.
Users that log in before the end of the scheduled downtime will be playing 'at risk' and will not be reimbursed for losses incurred by upgrade related issues.
We apologize for the inconvenience the extended downtime will cause for some members of the community and encourage training a long duration skill.
Will we be notified when the DT is over? I dont want to log in 'at risk' if the server is up and im not supposed to log on. But if everything is done early, i wont to be notified so i kmonw im not 'at risk'.
I don't have a problem with authority...
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.04 09:48:00 -
[71]
Originally by: kieron
In regards to those voicing concerns about the server being available after the infrastructure upgrade and before the end of the scheduled downtime, they have been noted. If there is a large enough response from the community, I will have the operations team take TQ down for the entire duration of the upgrade and checks. In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
Dont ever start making decisions because a few people whine if you dont feel its the right decision yourselfs.
In this case, I think players are probably not mature enough to not file petitions in the first 12 hours, which means you will get some petitions you will have to deny.
So I dont know... maybe its better to play it safe, just to avoid the petition makers causing trouble. But its your call.
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Eve Wiki | Eve Tribune | Eve Pirate |
Scorpyn
Caldari
The Patriot Pact
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Posted - 2007.01.04 10:30:00 -
[72]
Originally by: kieron
In regards to those voicing concerns about the server being available after the infrastructure upgrade and before the end of the scheduled downtime, they have been noted. If there is a large enough response from the community, I will have the operations team take TQ down for the entire duration of the upgrade and checks. In that case, EVE will be unavailable for the full 24 hours.
The issue is not about the server coming back up before the 24 hour period, the issue is about bringing it back up before you consider it to be stable enough for reimbursement claims to be valid. If that can't be done in less than 24 hours, I would personally not even consider to bring it back up before that.
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Bazuka
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Posted - 2007.01.04 11:07:00 -
[73]
Gotta love the responces from some people to every DT.
Its like a drug dealer saying to a junky : "Sorry dude no dope today , gotta wait a day for a resupply"
But nooooo you guys are not addicts nope , EvE is just your hobby right ?...right ?
One of these days I think I`ll start a site called www.GA (Gamers Anonymous)meetings.com
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Marlak Hulaf
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Posted - 2007.01.05 01:31:00 -
[74]
Originally by: Michayel Lyon
No downtime, no patches. And if you don't have patches, you wont get any new content or bugs fixed.
Patches?!? We don't need no steenking patches! Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
http://www.darryl.com/badges/mov.php?mov=blazing.mov
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picchiatello
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Posted - 2007.01.05 04:06:00 -
[75]
i saw that server is Up but...
when info from GM that we can log in normal???
they wrote : We do not expect the changes and upgrade to exceed 12 hours and hope to allow connections to Tranquility sooner; .... so what CCP say ? can we LOG or not ???
Ghive us information CCP............
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.05 05:23:00 -
[76]
You may log into Tranquility, the chances of a disconnect due to the need to reboot the server for a network infrastructure setting fix are low and if a change needs to be made, notification will be made.
However, there are staff working in the datacenter on other parts of EVE, so there is a possibility of a power switch being bumped, power cable being accidently disconnected, etc.
When the server team is done for the night, myself or one of the server team will pass along the "All is clear, users are no longer playing 'at risk'" notification.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Aeaus
Tabula Rasa Systems
The Star Fraction
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Posted - 2007.01.05 06:12:00 -
[77]
Originally by: kieron
You may log into Tranquility, the chances of a disconnect due to the need to reboot the server for a network infrastructure setting fix are low and if a change needs to be made, notification will be made.
However, there are staff working in the datacenter on other parts of EVE, so there is a possibility of a power switch being bumped, power cable being accidently disconnected, etc.
When the server team is done for the night, myself or one of the server team will pass along the "All is clear, users are no longer playing 'at risk'" notification.
Good to hear, let's hope it's fast =)
Tanking Survivability Calculator
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rodgerd
Gallente
ClanKillers
Dusk and Dawn
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:03:00 -
[78]
Originally by: kieron
You may log into Tranquility, the chances of a disconnect due to the need to reboot the server for a network infrastructure setting fix are low and if a change needs to be made, notification will be made.
"proxy not connected to sol servers"
I'm assuming there's a little left to be done (from NZ, in case it matters).
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Leeroy Khan
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:04:00 -
[79]
Edited by: Leeroy Khan on 05/01/2007 07:05:39
Edited by: Leeroy Khan on 05/01/2007 07:05:19
I was in for about 10 minutes just now, then got dropped. The status indicator on the login screen and message trying to log in says: "Proxy Not Connected"
Not a complaint, just sayn'.
Thanks
-- California USA
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Swim
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:10:00 -
[80]
Same thing about proxys... just so y'all know it's not isolated... (North America)
-Swim
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Pun Ani
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:13:00 -
[81]
Edited by: Pun Ani on 05/01/2007 07:16:59
edit: oops, nevermind
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ollobrains
Privateers
Privateer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:32:00 -
[82]
sol server means someone has disconnected the server from the outside world.
i think CCP are still understaffed tbh why they just havent said 70% of our staff are on hoilidays we should have waited until january to deploy revelations bla bla bla i dont know would have given them a more credible timeline and defense to work with instea of lagging everyone out and probably loosing a lot of long term players sure new ones are incoming but they are loosing valuable PR and personalities.
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:34:00 -
[83]
The server team is looking into the last couple of server reboots. However, the team was able to perform the maintenance tasks that normally take place during the daily server downtime. TQ will not undergo its daily downtime on Friday, 05 January, but will be taken down for maintenance on Saturday, 06 January as normal.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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picchiatello
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Posted - 2007.01.05 07:54:00 -
[84]
we can log in normal so now?
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Kumu Honua
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:01:00 -
[85]
You can log in right now, but don't do anything that you will be upset at if they pull the plug again.
24 hour DT still has 3 more hours...
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Minnanon
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Posted - 2007.01.05 08:20:00 -
[86]
thx for updates kieron. I know we haven't had the green light yet, but after those disconnects, it's now been stable for me (in London).
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Narusegawa Naru
Gallente
The Nest
Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:33:00 -
[87]
Just out of curiosity.... did CCP give a skillpoint boost? I gained nearly 15+ hrs training to a skill that I was training BEFORE the DT started. I changed skills lastnight when TQ first came back up. So my new skill trained overnight as expected but also my old skill too....
Not complaining mind you :-D
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Vult
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:36:00 -
[88]
Originally by: Shemar
...the real focus is on attracting new customers, not improving the game.
Fundamentals of business, my friend. Take YOUR customer base, and only improve your product or service without offering anything new, and see how quickly your business grows. The international company I work for is continually offering new products and services to its clients all over the world, just like EVE. And now, for the first time in the 20 years it has been in business, they are finally spending over $1.8 billion (or somewhere in that range) to remodel and refit all of their locations worldwide to standardize how they do business. What this means to you, is that yes, CCP shoves bugs that have been around for years under the rug, but as an intelligent business decision, they have decided that these bugs are less significant to the game than offering new content. That's the fundamentals of business... know where your weaknesses are, but realize that not all weaknesses can be overcome, so instead, offer something new that makes the weakness less prominent.
Secondly, your quote about...
Originally by: Shemar
Having thousands of paying customers beta test CCPs experiments does not count as a 'free upgrade'.
Have you ever been on the test server? There are plenty of times where that's more fun than playing on the main server! Dude... battleships for 100 isk and all the fittings you could ever ask for? And just think... somewhere, there's a 10/10 plex just for you!
Lastly, to all the players whining about "I've lost 3 days in the last 2 months so I want reimbursed my $1.50..."
Get. A. Life. If your life revolves around Eve that badly, take your computer, turn it off, disconnect all cords and wires from the back, open up your closest window, and chuck it as far and as hard as you can out said window. MMO's are addictive, yes, but have any of you ever heard the horror stories of marraiges broken up, lives ruined, jobs lost, and so forth, because of an online game? Go out! Leave the house! Go do something other than waste your lives away on a computer game! Don't end up like kieron or Oveur in this picture... Get out for once!
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Treean
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Posted - 2007.01.05 09:56:00 -
[89]
Edited by: Treean on 05/01/2007 09:56:50
Originally by: kieron
There will not be a client patch deployed during the extended maintenance period on Thursday. There will be a patch later in the month to address issues remaining after the Revelations deployment, such as the e-mail notification issue.
Umm, can we not quash this now? I mean on a scale of 1-10 for annoying this is at least a 50. Every day it gets worse with new mails. gah
/me is sick of sloppy coding.
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Za Po
Caldari
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:04:00 -
[90]
Originally by: Treean
Edited by: Treean on 05/01/2007 09:56:50
Originally by: kieron
There will not be a client patch deployed during the extended maintenance period on Thursday. There will be a patch later in the month to address issues remaining after the Revelations deployment, such as the e-mail notification issue.
Umm, can we not quash this now? I mean on a scale of 1-10 for annoying this is at least a 50. Every day it gets worse with new mails. gah
/me is sick of sloppy coding.
You can't deploy a client patch at the same time as a server patch. Well, you could, but it's a horribly bad idea.
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transferport
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:04:00 -
[91]
oooh...
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Yarek Balear
The Initiative
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Posted - 2007.01.05 11:37:00 -
[92]
Often both will go hand in hand (server and client patches I mean), as this is the only way to release new content.
This is an infrastructure upgrade and it's good that they're focusing on one element at a time during the d/t otherwise it could get much more difficult and prone to error. I suggest letting them be, getting this patch in and hopefully reducing a bit of the server lag then focus on the client patching and minor irritations no matter how annoying they are...
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RobW1
Caldari
Iyen-Oursta Salvage
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:17:00 -
[93]
Is everything back to normal now then? has the "all clear" been given? [Sorry I can't login RIGHT now, because I'm at work]
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Setanta NaFianna
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:32:00 -
[94]
If anyone had played Planetside you'd be grateful for these downtimes.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 12:37:00 -
[95]
Originally by: Vult
Originally by: Shemar
...the real focus is on attracting new customers, not improving the game.
Fundamentals of business, my friend. Take YOUR customer base, and only improve your product or service without offering anything new, and see how quickly your business grows. The international company I work for is continually offering new products and services to its clients all over the world, just like EVE. And now, for the first time in the 20 years it has been in business, they are finally spending over $1.8 billion (or somewhere in that range) to remodel and refit all of their locations worldwide to standardize how they do business. What this means to you, is that yes, CCP shoves bugs that have been around for years under the rug, but as an intelligent business decision, they have decided that these bugs are less significant to the game than offering new content. That's the fundamentals of business... know where your weaknesses are, but realize that not all weaknesses can be overcome, so instead, offer something new that makes the weakness less prominent.
You are right and that is what I was saying. My comment goes to the people saying "CCP works so hard to give us stuff and make the game better" and "you get free updates". That's all bull. CCP works for CCP and nobody else. And I, as a player, reserve the right to complain that the game is in a permanent beta test quality standard and not in a finished product one.
Originally by: Vult
Secondly, your quote about... Originally by: Shemar
Having thousands of paying customers beta test CCPs experiments does not count as a 'free upgrade'.
Have you ever been on the test server? There are plenty of times where that's more fun than playing on the main server! Dude... battleships for 100 isk and all the fittings you could ever ask for? And just think... somewhere, there's a 10/10 plex just for you!
I used to go there to duel with friends, but since jet can aggro got introduced I don't need that any more. But that's not really the point is it. The point is that the main server should not be used for beta testing. It is CCPs priority list of "announce it first, put it in the game second and maybe make it actulally work properly third" that annoys me. Yes it makes money for them, but makes the game worst for me and I reserve the right to call them on it.
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Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision |
Ebodhisatva
Gallente
hunter killers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:08:00 -
[96]
Originally by: RobW1
Is everything back to normal now then? has the "all clear" been given? [Sorry I can't login RIGHT now, because I'm at work]
Anyone got an answer?
I'm wondering the same question atm...
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Grez
Minmatar
The Raven Warriors
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Posted - 2007.01.05 13:12:00 -
[97]
Originally by: Ebodhisatva
Originally by: RobW1
Is everything back to normal now then? has the "all clear" been given? [Sorry I can't login RIGHT now, because I'm at work]
Anyone got an answer?
I'm wondering the same question atm...
The 24 hour DT finished two hours ago, so yes, it's fine to login.
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Cache Clearer |
Kryotek
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:04:00 -
[98]
Originally by: Grez
The 24 hour DT finished two hours ago, so yes, it's fine to login.
Evemon still says Tranquility server offline, has anyone managed to login ?
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Carfax
Pink Fur Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:45:00 -
[99]
No though until a short while ago freeserve/wanadoo/oranges servers were playing up and losing packets left right and centre for me and now its recovered but still seems to be blocking ICQ and MSN so possibly this might be why i can't see it
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10 million isk to the first pilot to bring me the announcers frozen corpse
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Shabesa
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Posted - 2007.01.05 14:49:00 -
[100]
There's a quote from EULA we all agreed with in this topic. Yes, you do have the right to point out what you are pointing out. They, however, have the right to ignore it. Signed by yourself. EoD tbh.
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Bach Atreides
21st Centauri Lancers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:02:00 -
[101]
Originally by: Vult
Originally by: Shemar
Lastly, to all the players whining about "I've lost 3 days in the last 2 months so I want reimbursed my $1.50..."
Get. A. Life. If your life revolves around Eve that badly, take your computer, turn it off, disconnect all cords and wires from the back, open up your closest window, and chuck it as far and as hard as you can out said window. MMO's are addictive, yes, but have any of you ever heard the horror stories of marraiges broken up, lives ruined, jobs lost, and so forth, because of an online game? Go out! Leave the house! Go do something other than waste your lives away on a computer game! Don't end up like kieron or Oveur in this picture... Get out for once!
I couldn't have said this better, I think some people do nothing more than:
10 Work
20 Eat
30 Play EVE
40 Sleep
50 Goto 10
OMFG! The EVE server is down for a day! WTF am I gonna do?!!!
I like EVE too, don't let your life revolve around it. Go to the bar and catch a game.
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Carfax
Pink Fur Trading Company
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:12:00 -
[102]
some folks may only have an hour or two a day to play so if its down that's one days play gone so maintaining server integrity is important.
Which is besides the point as keeping the customers informed of any problems as and when they occur should be considered a priority not a bonus. Hell what is this, a BT call centre ?!!! (or broadband providers status page :( )
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10 million isk to the first pilot to bring me the announcers frozen corpse
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Parishfalls
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:16:00 -
[103]
Get. A. Life. If your life revolves around Eve that badly, take your computer, turn it off, disconnect all cords and wires from the back, open up your closest window, and chuck it as far and as hard as you can out said window. MMO's are addictive, yes, but have any of you ever heard the horror stories of marraiges broken up, lives ruined, jobs lost, and so forth, because of an online game? Go out! Leave the house! Go do something other than waste your lives away on a computer game! Don't end up like kieron or Oveur in this picture... Get out for once!
I would if I wasn't trapped in bed for the last year and probably the next year as the result of a horrific car accident. Stuck in an old folks home 3 hours from my wife and family. Just because time in game is important to a person and UNSCHEDULED and POORLY noticed AT RISK playing is horribly NOTICED, and upsetting to someone does, not mean they have an addiction to online play- just a desire for quality customer service.
I logged in by accident and have lost things as a result- I will only know the extent of this loss after logging in "safely."
I've worked in a casino for 8 years- a customer-centric business. I understand that the customer is not always right. But I am horribly dissappointed in eve for this last downtime. I never read the news or dev blogs. If i can log in- I do. If I can't - I don't. Having at-risk gameplay without a POP-UP that halts and warns the player- so that responsiblity isn't placed on the player (to read blogs and news with less then one day warning) unexpectedly.
This at risk play has never occured before has it?
Money is not what these players are after- even if that's what they are asking for- they want eve to recognize-admit- and maybe even apoligize for something they think is unfair. Monetary reimbursement is the only way they can think of for that to happen.
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Trojanman190
Caldari
Entropy Tech.
Blood Raiders Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:27:00 -
[104]
The email bug is serious enough to warrant its own simple quick patch. Letting us go on for so long with such a simple yet crippling problem is just lazy. The email bug should be fixed immediately if you guys know how to fix it.
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Kylania
Gallente
Phoenix Industries
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:31:00 -
[105]
Originally by: Trojanman190
The email bug is serious enough to warrant its own simple quick patch. Letting us go on for so long with such a simple yet crippling problem is just lazy. The email bug should be fixed immediately if you guys know how to fix it.
I'll admit that having to take a moment to glance through my email for new names or numbers each login is a bit annoying, but it's hardly "crippling".
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Lil Miner
Newbie Skills Roadmap | How to Build from a BPO |
Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.05 15:46:00 -
[106]
Edited by: Shemar on 05/01/2007 15:48:17
Originally by: Bach Atreides
Originally by: Vult
Originally by: Shemar
Lastly, to all the players whining about "I've lost 3 days in the last 2 months so I want reimbursed my $1.50..."
Get. A. Life. If your life revolves around Eve that badly, take your computer, turn it off, disconnect all cords and wires from the back, open up your closest window, and chuck it as far and as hard as you can out said window. MMO's are addictive, yes, but have any of you ever heard the horror stories of marraiges broken up, lives ruined, jobs lost, and so forth, because of an online game? Go out! Leave the house! Go do something other than waste your lives away on a computer game! Don't end up like kieron or Oveur in this picture... Get out for once!
I couldn't have said this better, I think some people do nothing more than:
10 Work
20 Eat
30 Play EVE
40 Sleep
50 Goto 10
OMFG! The EVE server is down for a day! WTF am I gonna do?!!!
I like EVE too, don't let your life revolve around it. Go to the bar and catch a game.
Not exactly sure how you managed to break your quotes in a way that attributes things said to me, but that is definitely not something I said.
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Enhanced eye sight does not make up for the lack of vision |
Bach Atreides
21st Centauri Lancers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 17:27:00 -
[107]
Not sure how I did that either, I know Vult said it, not you. Sorry 'bout that....
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Gornax Garrul
Minmatar
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Posted - 2007.01.05 19:58:00 -
[108]
What happened to the Squadron Command skill?
GG
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People like you make me want to access your brain and type "rm -rf /*"
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J'inn
Snickers Inc
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Posted - 2007.01.05 20:49:00 -
[109]
Is it safe yet?
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:31:00 -
[110]
The network infrastructure changes have been completed and no remaining issues with connectivity to Tranquility remain. There are some lingering mail server (not eve-mail) and website loadbalancing issues the server team are working on, but nothing that will interfere with gameplay itself.
The mail server issue is preventing some contact to the EVE community, including trial account CD keys, forum warnings and other server-to-user communication. The server team is aware of the issues and continue to work on resolving them.
kieron
Community Manager,
EVE Online |
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Bach Atreides
21st Centauri Lancers
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Posted - 2007.01.05 21:33:00 -
[111]
Originally by: Gornax Garrul
What happened to the Squadron Command skill?
GG
It was replaced with a skill with a different name, it's not in the item database 'cause that hasn't been updated yet. (I can't check in game for you since I'm still at work.) But check out any skills for sale in game that emphasize gang leadership and that should tell you what skill it's changed to. -Btw, this is the wrong thread for this question....
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Vala Draaken
Gallente
Madhatters Inc.
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:22:00 -
[112]
Originally by: Gornax Garrul
What happened to the Squadron Command skill?
GG
It's been renamed to Warfare Link Specialist, but it's still has the exact same description as before
Vala D.
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kieron
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Posted - 2007.01.05 23:32:00 -
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More information about the changes that took place during yesterday's extended downtime may be seen in this new news item.
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Jim McGregor
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Posted - 2007.01.06 09:43:00 -
[114]
Thanks kieron. What does multihoming mean? Just interested.
Originally by: News
The addition of more multihoming capability for Tranquility
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Posted - 2007.01.06 12:53:00 -
[115]
I am experiencing an extreme amount of loading time (30-60 seconds)since this update. It happens after a lot of different actions in game, including opening a quicksell window, loading the actual game after selecting a character, undocking from a station, and opening an information window for a player.
I have tried reseting my computer, restarting Eve, closing everything running in the background, setting the eve process to high priority in my task manager, and nothing helps. It did not do this before the 24-hour update.
Anyone, namely Kieron, got any ideas as to whats causing this, or better yet, what I can do to fix it.
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Chruker
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:06:00 -
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Originally by: Bach Atreides
I couldn't have said this better, I think some people do nothing more than:
10 Work
20 Eat
30 Play EVE
40 Sleep
50 Goto 10
where the heck did you get my source code from
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Chruker
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:07:00 -
[117]
Edited by: Chruker on 06/01/2007 16:04:34
Originally by: Chruker
Originally by: Bach Atreides
I couldn't have said this better, I think some people do nothing more than:
10 Work
20 Eat
30 Play EVE
40 Sleep
50 Goto 10
where the heck did you get my source code from
Ooops my mistake, my line 10 is: '10 Skip work'
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Raketefrau
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:32:00 -
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Edited by: Raketefrau on 06/01/2007 16:39:07
Hey Devs, ASCN surrendered, can you go back to fixing the client again?
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Raketefrau
Caldari
Di-Tron Heavy Industries
Freelancer Alliance
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Posted - 2007.01.06 16:41:00 -
[119]
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Thanks kieron. What does multihoming mean? Just interested.
Originally by: News
The addition of more multihoming capability for Tranquility
There's a great explanation of it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multihoming
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Maj Woodcock
Minmatar
United Space Aillance USA
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Posted - 2007.01.06 23:34:00 -
[120]
did I miss it where it said they were fixed the in game mail bug? Or is that the next patch coming 'soon"?
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Vult
Shiva
Morsus Mihi
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Posted - 2007.01.07 05:12:00 -
[121]
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Vult
Stuff about fundamentals of business...
You are right and that is what I was saying. My comment goes to the people saying "CCP works so hard to give us stuff and make the game better" and "you get free updates". That's all bull. CCP works for CCP and nobody else. And I, as a player, reserve the right to complain that the game is in a permanent beta test quality standard and not in a finished product one.
Originally by: Vult
Stuff about the test server...
I used to go there to duel with friends, but since jet can aggro got introduced I don't need that any more. But that's not really the point is it. The point is that the main server should not be used for beta testing. It is CCPs priority list of "announce it first, put it in the game second and maybe make it actulally work properly third" that annoys me. Yes it makes money for them, but makes the game worst for me and I reserve the right to call them on it.
Well, I can see this will turn into an argument really fast. Mods will be cleaning this up quick.
The moral of my story is this... and then I'm done griping.
Of course CCP is in business for themselves. Of course they work for themselves and nobody else. What corporation (excluding non-profit corporations) do you know that don't work for themselves? If you're really truly that upset that the game is constantly being upgraded, changed, improved, beta tested, or whatever it is you're upset about, then why are you here? This "permanent beta test" standard will not change as long as any MMO is in existence. Ever play Star Wars Galaxies? (Please, don't laugh.)
Originally by: Parishfalls
I would if I wasn't trapped in bed for the last year and probably the next year as the result of a horrific car accident. Stuck in an old folks home 3 hours from my wife and family. Just because time in game is important to a person and UNSCHEDULED and POORLY noticed AT RISK playing is horribly NOTICED, and upsetting to someone does, not mean they have an addiction to online play- just a desire for quality customer service.
It's unfortunate that you're one of a very small group of people who are forced to be in such a position, and I understand your desire and need for something to help pass time in your situation. My comment was more of an open comment directed toward those with the addiction than those who need it as a relief from the everyday monotany that you live.
Originally by: Parishfalls
I never read the news or dev blogs.
I'm sorry, but honestly, you need to. Especially if you want to know what's coming to the game in the future. I, like most players, look forward to the dev blogs. The amount of time I actually spend playing the game is probably minimal, but it's still fun to know what I could look forward to.
Originally by: Parishfalls
Monetary reimbursement is the only way they can think of for that to happen.
Not only will this never happen (except for one instance I can remember where CCP added one day of playtime to every player's account for a severe server hiccup that occured over I believe an Easter holiday) but it's asinine for players to even ask. Look it up in the EULA where it says "While CCP attempts to have the System available at most times, CCP does not guarantee that the System will always be available, or that the System will not become unavailable during Game play." (Thanks Kylania for looking that up for me.)
I'm done here. There are many more points I can make, but I've rambled enough.
Now quit whining and go play Eve.
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Posted - 2007.01.07 15:52:00 -
[122]
Edited by: Jim McGregor on 07/01/2007 15:49:04
Originally by: Raketefrau
Originally by: Jim McGregor
Thanks kieron. What does multihoming mean? Just interested.
Originally by: News
The addition of more multihoming capability for Tranquility
There's a great explanation of it here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multihoming
Thanks mate. :) Wikipedia rocks, I really need to get into the habit of checking it more often...
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.08 00:00:00 -
[123]
Originally by: Vult
Of course CCP is in business for themselves. Of course they work for themselves and nobody else. What corporation (excluding non-profit corporations) do you know that don't work for themselves? If you're really truly that upset that the game is constantly being upgraded, changed, improved, beta tested, or whatever it is you're upset about, then why are you here? This "permanent beta test" standard will not change as long as any MMO is in existence. Ever play Star Wars Galaxies? (Please, don't laugh.)
I have not played SWG but I have played 5-6 others (and currently play CoH in addition to EVE). In none of these games were there known bugs that were left unadressed forever (and we are talking years here) while the developers forgot about them and moved on to create even more bugs... sorry, I mean 'fearures'. In no other game have I ever had to deal with bugs every single play session. In no other game, was basic functionality still FUBAR for months after the new code intrduced, broke it.
So, no EVE is nowhere near other MMOs when it comes to bugs. In fact, I have often compared other MMOs with business ventures while EVE a garage project. I am not a fan. I am not interested in magazines and trading cards and fanfests. I am a customer. I am interested in a game that works as advertised.
Why do I still play? There are redeeming qualities. Most of them have nothing to do with CCP. They are the people I play with. To CCP I will creadit the fact that I can not log on and be disgusted with EVE for 2 weeks and as long as I have a long skill going I don't lose ground to anybody else. That's really the one thing -in game- that makes EVE different for me. The fact that I don't -have- to play too much. Isn't it ironic? Finally I am at a stage in my life where the monthly sub (and I only pay one) is not even a factor.
But, I do pay, so I do get to complain when there is an official list of 'known issues' that has not even been addressed to or updated for a month. I do get to complain when we are served with a product that has bugs in it identified in the first 10 minutes of playing. I do get to complain when half the new features took two patches to 'sort of' work and the other half are still useless. Just marketing bullet points. I don't really expect anything to change, but I still get to complain.
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:12:00 -
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Edited by: Rejectea on 09/01/2007 12:09:45
To be fair, you go on about EvE being a "garage" project..you obviously havn't paid attention in as many MMO's as me. It's almost the norm to ignore bugs.
For example bugs that Mythic could not fix in DAOC they just said it was working as intended after a while. Blizzard leave a lot of small bugs in WoW and Funcom had a shed load of bugs in Anarchy Online.
People like you (I like to call them "the grass is greener" people) always make out whatever game you are playing other MMO's are run better. There are people like you on every gaming forum in the world but while I can ignore you many others with less gaming experiance can't. CCP are like any other MMO company they do well as some things and not so well at others.
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Kreila
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:31:00 -
[125]
Imo, eve has no game stopping bugs. The multiple downtimes might be a mixxed blessing, but thats why Anet made guildwars and also allows for such important things as sleep, eating, and PC maitenance.
My only beef with the design of eve is the skill training times. Granted the revelations patch openned the door a ***** for new players, but sometimes it feels like looking at 6 months down the road to do something really lets my desire for instant gratification down. Then again this game really draws me into a different experience; where with other games I could do a 7 day grind and reap some benefits, in this one I can't find any reason to bother (except maybe if I get into a corp territory defense situation... but thats still 6 months away before I can hope to contribute to that).
All in all, a 24 hour downtime is a great thing considerring that they are improving our gaming experience, and opening the door to new possibilities.
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Shemar
Gallente
Photesthetics
Glamour Syndicate
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Posted - 2007.01.09 12:32:00 -
[126]
Originally by: Rejectea
To be fair, you go on about EvE being a "garage" project..you obviously havn't paid attention in as many MMO's as me. It's almost the norm to ignore bugs.
For example bugs that Mythic could not fix in DAOC they just said it was working as intended after a while. Blizzard leave a lot of small bugs in WoW and Funcom had a shed load of bugs in Anarchy Online.
People like you (I like to call them "the grass is greener" people) always make out whatever game you are playing other MMO's are run better. There are people like you on every gaming forum in the world but while I can ignore you many others with less gaming experiance can't. CCP are like any other MMO company they do well as some things and not so well at others.
Actually I have played many other MMOs (about 5-6 other than EVE with total play time about 50% of my play time on EVE for the last 2+ years). In none of these was I hit by bugs except once in WoW. However, I don't play anything within the first 6 months of release. Not MMOs, not single player games. I accept that upon release a game will be buggy and I simply avoid it. However, every single update/patch in every MMO I have played did not break basic functionality and did not made itself known to me in the way of bugs (except once, as I said). EVE seems to be getting buggier and buggier instead, and even that would be acceptable if CCP said "ok, now we stop with the marketing fanfares and we fix everything". But no, instead they make network infarstructure changes to host 50k concurrent users (as if it works properly with 30k) which means more "get new customers" bullet points that will barely work and will break even more of the existing functionality.
In none of the other MMOs did I experience basic functionality to be broken for months after the bugs appeared. Yes a quest may be bugged here and there, but you only deal with that once and move on. On EVE I can name a number of bugs (and I did on the other thread) that I have to deal with every single game session.
So, no, CCP is not like every other MMO company. They have a much better concept of a game and that way they can get away with a lot less 'finishing' quality (adding ther horrid UI to the never ending bugs), but on the subject of bug fixing every other MMO I have played beats EVE hands down easily.
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Slayton Ford
Caldari
Kudzu Collective
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Posted - 2007.01.09 23:50:00 -
[127]
Originally by: Shemar
Originally by: Vult
Of course CCP is in business for themselves. Of course they work for themselves and nobody else. What corporation (excluding non-profit corporations) do you know that don't work for themselves? If you're really truly that upset that the game is constantly being upgraded, changed, improved, beta tested, or whatever it is you're upset about, then why are you here? This "permanent beta test" standard will not change as long as any MMO is in existence. Ever play Star Wars Galaxies? (Please, don't laugh.)
I have not played SWG but I have played 5-6 others (and currently play CoH in addition to EVE). In none of these games were there known bugs that were left unadressed forever (and we are talking years here) while the developers forgot about them and moved on to create even more bugs... sorry, I mean 'fearures'. In no other game have I ever had to deal with bugs every single play session. In no other game, was basic functionality still FUBAR for months after the new code intrduced, broke it.
So, no EVE is nowhere near other MMOs when it comes to bugs. In fact, I have often compared other MMOs with business ventures while EVE a garage project. I am not a fan. I am not interested in magazines and trading cards and fanfests. I am a customer. I am interested in a game that works as advertised.
Why do I still play? There are redeeming qualities. Most of them have nothing to do with CCP. They are the people I play with. To CCP I will creadit the fact that I can not log on and be disgusted with EVE for 2 weeks and as long as I have a long skill going I don't lose ground to anybody else. That's really the one thing -in game- that makes EVE different for me. The fact that I don't -have- to play too much. Isn't it ironic? Finally I am at a stage in my life where the monthly sub (and I only pay one) is not even a factor.
But, I do pay, so I do get to complain when there is an official list of 'known issues' that has not even been addressed to or updated for a month. I do get to complain when we are served with a product that has bugs in it identified in the first 10 minutes of playing. I do get to complain when half the new features took two patches to 'sort of' work and the other half are still useless. Just marketing bullet points. I don't really expect anything to change, but I still get to complain.
I have played EQ for 5 years (and still do). There are known bugs that have been around for so long that the players have adapted to them and fixing them fubars end game encounters. Or how SoE releases a expansion and the devs publicly state that they are no longer concerned with fixing spell bugs/issue due to the dev working on the next expansion.
Compared to Sony, CCP is wonderful.
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Shemar
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.10 00:17:00 -
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Originally by: Slayton Ford
Compared to Sony, CCP is wonderful.
So there are worse developers than CCP. Would CCP want to be compared to the good developers/game publishers, or the bad ones? Sure, the one-eyed one leads the blind, but just having somebody else be worse than you does not necessarily make you good enough.
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Vult
Shiva
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Posted - 2007.01.10 06:18:00 -
[129]
Originally by: Shemar
...every other MMO I have played beats EVE hands down easily.
I know I said I was done with this thread in my last post, but I have to comment...
Why are you still here if Eve sucks that bad? WoW beats Eve? EQ beats Eve? Guild Wars (actually a decent MMO) beats Eve? SWG beats Eve? Go play something else instead of whining about the bugs here.
That said, obligatory "Can I have your stuff(tm)?"
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Shemar
Gallente
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Posted - 2007.01.10 12:04:00 -
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Edited by: Shemar on 10/01/2007 12:00:20
Originally by: Vult
Originally by: Shemar
...every other MMO I have played beats EVE hands down easily.
Why are you still here if Eve sucks that bad? WoW beats Eve? EQ beats Eve? Guild Wars (actually a decent MMO) beats Eve? SWG beats Eve? Go play something else instead of whining about the bugs here.
Originally by: Shemar
...on the subject of bug fixing every other MMO I have played beats EVE hands down easily.
How about not quoting me out of context next time huh?
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