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Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:08:00 - [1] The Free Captains of The Star Fraction give formal notice of our intention and resolve to commit to sanctioned war against the pilots, corporations and free-standing assets of The Cyrene Initiative as of one minute after midnight this evening (EVE standard time). Over the coming weeks it is our full-intention to engage and defeat the Initiative Navy in open combat significantly degrading its ability to project and wield power in the Placid Region of the Gallente Federation and at this time we set no timescale or political limits to this intervention whatsoever. The Star Fraction considers that the Gallente State and its popular-totalitarian supporters represent a clear and present opposition to free-evolution and development of individual responsibility and enlightened self-interest in the Capsule pilot community. This very Federation that once stood as a cradle for civilisation itself, has become a prison for the dreams of billions and it is past time to reject the teachings of parents and cut free from the bonds of inherited political structure and social convention. As aspirant post-human individuals you of the capsular class have the potential to be so much more than idling puppets or nationalist poster-children for those corrupt silken-fist bureaucrats in the Senate. Potential so wasted is abhorent to us, so now the time has come for to set ablaze all statist delusions fiery conflagration to light the way of true liberty under the vast tapestry of stars! Factional bickering be damned; we support neither the Gallente status quo nor the establishment of extremist Intaki successor states built on nationalist ideology and popular-totalitarian rhetoric. Petty arguments between dictators with different uniforms mean nothing to Free Captains, but let the imminent destruction of the Cyrene Initiative stand plain as an example and warning to those would build such prisons for themselves and others. The future is for those with the wit and imagination to dream of a new culture beyond the cowardice and compromise of the past. The future begins now, and this revolution certainly will be televised. Star Fraction is recruiting
Lucian Alucard Caldari Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:11:00 - [2] Intresting
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:11:00 - [3] Excellent news to hear, awaiting the enemy response with glee. Tanking Survivability Calculator
Hakel Daima Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:28:00 - [4] Finally the Federate dogs will get their comeuppance. This is a good day. Star Fraction is recruiting!
James Snowscoran Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:30:00 - [5] Give the traitors hell, SF. -----
Joshua Foiritain Gallente Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:39:00 - [6] Ill root for the Federation in this case. ----- [Coreli Corporation Mainframe]
Pharuan Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 00:53:00 - [7] Don't worry Joshua, I'm some of them will survive.
Andreus Ixiris Gallente Luna Rossa Corporation The Guardian Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 01:17:00 - [8] I should have known you'd stab freedom in the back at some point. It's a shame that my hatred for the Kimotoro Syndicate blinded me to your pitiful anarchist rhetoric. Ah well, no matter. Even if you utterly crush the Cyrene Initiative you can't really hurt the Federation, so I'm not worried.
Amaron Ghant Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 01:32:00 - [9] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris I should have known you'd stab freedom in the back at some point. It's a shame that my hatred for the Kimotoro Syndicate blinded me to your pitiful anarchist rhetoric. Ah well, no matter. Even if you utterly crush the Cyrene Initiative you can't really hurt the Federation, so I'm not worried. Freedom my friend is the pale skinned beauty. What you have in the Federation is the ugly Stepmother. I would sup with the devil and forget to use a long spoon if it led to me spitting on the grave of nationalism.
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 02:08:00 - [10] May the souls of the residents of Reschard rejoice...
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 02:27:00 - [11] Originally by: Andreus Ixiris Even if you utterly crush the Cyrene Initiative you can't really hurt the Federation, so I'm not worried. Quite true, though I'll enjoy watching your alliance crumble. I just wish Star Fraction didn't have to include Intaki Union in the process. Save the Chimera, CCP!
Darina Rea Harvest System	Posted - 2007.01.06 02:31:00 - [12] Another warmup? Why not skip the whole warmup process and go directly after the big fish like UK and CVA? _________ Time is on our side.
Davlos Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 02:52:00 - [13] Originally by: Darina Rea Another warmup? Why not skip the whole warmup process and go directly after the big fish like UK and CVA? Nail in the head. --------------- Davlos Cain 040
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 02:53:00 - [14] Your assumption that we have any intention to "go after" Ushra'Khan is interesting. Join the revolution, babeh!
Amaron Ghant Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 02:55:00 - [15] Originally by: Davlos Originally by: Darina Rea Another warmup? Why not skip the whole warmup process and go directly after the big fish like UK and CVA? Nail in the head. "Nail on the head" Davlos. "Nail in the head" is Cosmo¦s party trick. He uses other peoples heads though. I would sup with the devil and forget to use a long spoon if it led to me spitting on the grave of nationalism.
Vendrin Caldari APEX Unlimited	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:00:00 - [16] What a joke. All they were trying to do was help take care of some pirates and that makes them a target for you. _____________________________________ APEX Unlimited is recruiting. Join channel APEXCOM for information!
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:02:00 - [17] Originally by: Vendrin What a joke. All they were trying to do was help take care of some pirates and that makes them a target for you. Your lack of understanding of the causes of this war is laughable at best. Tanking Survivability Calculator
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 03:34:00 - [18] Originally by: Vendrin What a joke. All they were trying to do was help take care of some pirates and that makes them a target for you. You are welcome to wardec Star Fraction in support of Cyrene Initiative. Star Fraction is recruiting
Van Cleef Caldari Caldari Independent Navy Reserve	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:16:00 - [19] Originally by: Vendrin What a joke. All they were trying to do was help take care of some pirates and that makes them a target for you. Your surpirsed? Kimotoro was in Mito to fight the numerous pirate organizations in the area - and that drew the Terrorists attention. Apparently its ok to kill random people just as long as you don't have a flag waving on your vessel. ------------------------------------------------ CEO and Admiral of the Fleet Caldari Independent Navy Reserve Serve the State Join Channel CAINCOM
Daryl Xero	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:17:00 - [20] Quote: Why not skip the whole warmup process and go directly after the big fish like UK and CVA? Because that isn't their game. Their game is to beat up on anyone they think they can, then post longwinded articles slanted to make them look noble, righteous and doing the galaxy a favor while spouting bull**** propaganda. What they really are, essentially, is the neighborhood bully. They make a lot of noise and irritate everyone around them and the only thing you can really do about them is give them a bloody nose and send them packing so they can go irritate someone else. Then the rest of us can get back to the business of ignoring them. The best thing the rest of us could do is not to post in their little attention whoring threads like this one, to that end I'm outta here. SF can denounce what I have said, proclaim their "cause" superior to all others and generally act like rampaging monkeys by slinging their excrement at anyone who says nay. I'll not respond any further. Every word out of one of their over-inflated heads simply proves my point. You know what the saddest part is? They actually think they're widely respected. I'm not even joking, they have actually said that. If only they knew how much people hate them, it might just make them depressed enough to dive into a black hole and spare us from any more of their horsebiscuit laden claptrap. Ah, well. What doesn't kill you defines you.
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 04:34:00 - [21] Originally by: Daryl Xero You know what the saddest part is? They actually think they're widely respected. I'm not even joking, they have actually said that. If only they knew how much people hate them, it might just make them depressed enough to dive into a black hole and spare us from any more of their horsebiscuit laden claptrap. Ah, well. It seems like Cain and Ex-Cain are on a little crusade to discredit SF while claiming we're an annoyance to avoid the fact that their words are nothing without being backed up by a fleet. [center] Tanking Survivability Calculator [/cente
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:19:00 - [22] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 06/01/2007 05:20:09 To the casual observer it would seem as though Mr. Xero is correct. Seems to me that if Star Faction was as devoted to spreading total freedom as they claim they would have gone to war with the Amarrian paramilitaries long ago (not the skirmish that occured during the Mito campagin) but instead they only champion the cause of the mildly oppressed and the so-called wage slaves. As opposed to liberating the quite literal slaves victimized by the Amarrians and their paramilitary cohorts. I doubt I'll recieve an answer other than insults to this question but I'll ask anyway. What makes the Cyrene Initiative a greater threat to freedom than say CVA? Or am I misinterpreting your reasons for war declaration? (edited for wording) ----------------------------- Unless otherwise stated my opinions don't represent that of my corporation and/or alliance, but unless your retarded, that should go without saying
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:19:00 - [23] Originally by: Aeaus Originally by: Daryl Xero You know what the saddest part is? They actually think they're widely respected. I'm not even joking, they have actually said that. If only they knew how much people hate them, it might just make them depressed enough to dive into a black hole and spare us from any more of their horsebiscuit laden claptrap. Ah, well. It seems like Cain and Ex-Cain are on a little crusade to discredit SF while claiming we're an annoyance to avoid the fact that their words are nothing without being backed up by a fleet. This ex-cain pilot is now serving the State in Deep Core Mining. One can only guess at the depths to his commitment to capsular nationalist militia movements. Hatred from such people is reinforcement, since disapproval by failures is hardly significant. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:22:00 - [24] Originally by: Agustus Caesar To the casual observer it would seem as though Mr. Xero is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Star Faction was as devoted to spreading total freedom as they claim they would have gone to war with the Amarrian paramilitaries long ago (not the skirmish that occured during the Mito campagin) but instead they only champion the cause of the mildly oppressed and the so-called wage slaves, as opposed to liberating the quite literal slaves victimized by the Amarrians and their paramilitary cohorts. I doubt I'll recieve an answer other than insults to this question but I'll ask anyway. What makes the Cyrene Initiative a greater threat to freedom than say CVA? Or am I misinterpreting your reasons for war declaration? The answer Star Fraction is recruiting
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:31:00 - [25] Originally by: Agustus Caesar To the casual observer it would seem as though Mr. Xero is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Star Faction was as devoted to spreading total freedom as they claim they would have gone to war with the Amarrian paramilitaries long ago (not the skirmish that occured during the Mito campagin) but instead they only champion the cause of the mildly oppressed and the so-called wage slaves, as opposed to liberating the quite literal slaves victimized by the Amarrians and their paramilitary cohorts. I doubt I'll recieve an answer other than insults to this question but I'll ask anyway. What makes the Cyrene Initiative a greater threat to freedom than say CVA? Or am I misinterpreting your reasons for war declaration? Agustus, I have a couple of points in reply to you and there will be no insults. First, the Star Fraction has waged war against the CVA as long ago as the days when PIE was a member of that loyalist alliance. We maintain hostile status with the CVA, PIE and Aegis Militia and have engaged them from time-to-time in insecure and nullsec space. So don't make the error of supposing we have never and will not fight Amarrian paramilitaries. Second, the threats to freedom in the cluster are abundant and varied. The obvious threat is not necessarily the most dire. We hold that the Gallentean Federation represents a subtle yet powerful threat to true freedom. It practices the deception, successfully in many, many cases, of tricking individuals into surrendering their freedom in return for the mere promise, rather than the fact, of freedom. We judge that we may advance our goals at this time by taking the actions that we have today. We will continue to weigh our decisions in accordance with our analysis of the threats to freedom and will not be deterred from taking those actions we deem necessary. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Nolin Riis Gallente Placid Reborn Placid Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:36:00 - [26] Originally by: Vendrin What a joke. All they were trying to do was help take care of some pirates and that makes them a target for you. Let these words ring true. My personal and professional opinions of the IU aside, I believe that Star Fraction is making a mistake. The scourge of Placid is a tyranny that does not collect taxes. Pirates roam freely, murdering civilians and capsuleers alike. Free-enterprising capsuleers. Don't you understand, Star Fraction? If you really do value the potential and dignity of fellow pilots, then why do you want to crush the humble corporations who make Placid safe for pilots new and old? If the cause you so nationalistically (yes, I said nationalistically) trumpet is true, then I suggest you drop this masturbatory campaign and focus on the bigger fish: opportunistic, cowardly bullies who prey on pilots who are just trying to strike out a living. Love your cause more than you hate your enemies.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:40:00 - [27] Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 06/01/2007 05:43:22 Edited by: Agustus Caesar on 06/01/2007 05:41:52 Originally by: Jasmine Constantine Originally by: Agustus Caesar To the casual observer it would seem as though Mr. Xero is correct. Correct me if I'm wrong but if Star Faction was as devoted to spreading total freedom as they claim they would have gone to war with the Amarrian paramilitaries long ago (not the skirmish that occured during the Mito campagin) but instead they only champion the cause of the mildly oppressed and the so-called wage slaves, as opposed to liberating the quite literal slaves victimized by the Amarrians and their paramilitary cohorts. I doubt I'll recieve an answer other than insults to this question but I'll ask anyway. What makes the Cyrene Initiative a greater threat to freedom than say CVA? Or am I misinterpreting your reasons for war declaration? The answer Elloquently worded as that is it still doesnt really answer my question. Unless of course your saying that the Gallante Federation's government is more oppressive than the Amarrian Government becase most Federation citizens don't bother to vote. Given the choice, I'd imagine most rational individuals would choose the Gallante's brand of "oppression" over the Amarrian dogma enforced by torture and enslavement (not cultural enslavement, but the kind done by the barrel of a gun and the swing of a whip). The Gallante Federation's beuracracy and corruption are hardly the envy of the cluster, but that kind of thing should be bothered with AFTER the 800 pound gorrila in the room that is the Amarrian Empire has been delt with. At this point in time, it seems to me that attacking pro-Federation forces only plays right into the hands of the Amarrian paramilitaries; who are surely enjoying this laugh at the expense of freedom loving people everwhere. I doubt I'll be changing anyone's mind here, but I would just like to point out that the Federation's electoral problems are a pretty poor excuse to weaken one of the two nations that at this point and time are the only thing keeping the Amarrian juggernaut from dominating the cluster. If you think what the Federation is doing is terrible, pay a visit to an Amarrian slave labor camp; a Federation prison is a luxury resort compared to those little slices of hell. Granted, the Federation is something of a Cultural homogeny, where individual cultures are quickly assimulated and uniqueness erased, but again as anyone who has felt the ***** of a slaver's whip would tell you, such a fate is a dream compared to the oppression of slavery. Dissagree with the Federation if you want, but please don't condem my people to slavery again by attacking the best (and only) friends and allies we've ever had. (edited to respond to Cosmo's response) ----------------------------- Unless otherwise stated my opinions don't represent that of my corporation and/or alliance, but unless your retarded, that should go without saying
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 05:42:00 - [28] Originally by: Nolin Riis Let these words ring true. My personal and professional opinions of the IU aside, I believe that Star Fraction is making a mistake. The scourge of Placid is a tyranny that does not collect taxes. Pirates roam freely, murdering civilians and capsuleers alike. Free-enterprising capsuleers. Don't you understand, Star Fraction? If you really do value the potential and dignity of fellow pilots, then why do you want to crush the humble corporations who make Placid safe for pilots new and old? If the cause you so nationalistically (yes, I said nationalistically) trumpet is true, then I suggest you drop this masturbatory campaign and focus on the bigger fish: opportunistic, cowardly bullies who prey on pilots who are just trying to strike out a living. Love your cause more than you hate your enemies. Don't get ahead of yourself just yet, the most primitive lesson in a different but very similar study of ecology proves time and time again that predator prey populations will always seek equalibrium. We can apply this as the relationship between victims and the struggle between pirate and anti-pirates. To abandon our hatred for nationalism and allow Cyrene to maintain their foothold on placid to simply avoid a potential spike in piracy is not something that can considered remotely significant, nor is it remotely a mistake on our part. Tanking Survivability Calculator
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 06:39:00 - [29] Originally by: Agustus Caesar points Even if the Federation is the lesser of two evils, it does not change the fact that it is a subtle evil that needs to be destroyed.
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.06 07:51:00 - [30] As per request, I tender the broadcast of the war declaration made at the Boulevard Nuit, life transmition. Extracts of Lady Jade Constantine, speech: [ 2007.01.05 23:59:41 ] Jade Constantine > certainly Lady, but in a few minutes I wonder if I could impose on your hospitality and make announcement - might be better to make it here and then circulate after the ahem bomb drops so to speak [ 2007.01.06 00:00:07 ] Babs Johnson > /emote looks at Jade, giddy with anticipation [ 2007.01.06 00:00:11 ] Kyoko Sakoda > /emote drinks her champagne, listening. [ 2007.01.06 00:00:24 ] Revan Neferis > /emote coughs and nods > You know my halls are yours . Please make your announcement as you please Lady jade [ 2007.01.06 00:00:41 ] Jonny Damordred > /emote turns to look at Jade [ 2007.01.06 00:00:43 ] Jade Constantine > well Babs grins a party is aways the best place to make a splash [ 2007.01.06 00:00:55 ] Jade Constantine > thank you Lady Revan, most obliging [ 2007.01.06 00:00:58 ] Sakura Nihil > /emote arrives just in the nick of time [ 2007.01.06 00:00:59 ] Destania > /emote pops her head into the room [ 2007.01.06 00:01:05 ] Jade Constantine > I'll be sure not to occupy too much of everyone's time [ 2007.01.06 00:01:27 ] Revan Neferis > /emote stops and nods > Please everyone, a minute of silence [ 2007.01.06 00:01:29 ] Sakura Nihil > /emote starts grinning and nods [ 2007.01.06 00:01:33 ] Verone > /emote arrives in the main hall, sipping from his glass, his attention turned to the strinking gallente in the black dress [ 2007.01.06 00:01:52 ] Jade Constantine > /emote checks a comm unit briefly [ 2007.01.06 00:01:55 ] Tatsue Nuko > /emote leans back and watches Jade quietly. [ 2007.01.06 00:02:00 ] Revan Neferis > Lady Jade, please [ 2007.01.06 00:02:23 ] The Cosmopolite > /emote watches Jade with a smile playing about his lips [ 2007.01.06 00:02:31 ] Jade Constantine > Ah! [ 2007.01.06 00:02:35 ] Jade Constantine > there we go [ 2007.01.06 00:02:36 ] Tatsue Nuko > /emote tries in vain to hide a grin [ 2007.01.06 00:02:42 ] Jade Constantine > Ladies and gentlemen [ 2007.01.06 00:02:45 ] Ituralde > /emote smiles [ 2007.01.06 00:03:18 ] Jade Constantine > I'm happy to announce that at precisely one minute past midnight the Star Fraction is committed to a formal war to the destruction of The Cyrene Initiative [ 2007.01.06 00:03:22 ] GoGo Yubari > /emote watches Jade, her lips pressed slowly together and her brow slightly furrowed. [ 2007.01.06 00:03:37 ] Revan Neferis > /emote smiles noding to Jade [ 2007.01.06 00:03:42 ] Tatsue Nuko > /emote feels her grin grow wider. [ 2007.01.06 00:03:43 ] Lucian Alucard > uh [ 2007.01.06 00:03:48 ] 0utllaw > /emote grins [ 2007.01.06 00:03:48 ] Able Citizen > /emote whistles and cheers [ 2007.01.06 00:03:52 ] Nemesor > /emote grins. [ 2007.01.06 00:03:52 ] Jade Constantine > Its our intention to obliterate the unpleasant stain of Gallente Nationalism from the cluster [ 2007.01.06 00:03:53 ] Babs Johnson > /emote raises both eyebrows [ 2007.01.06 00:04:02 ] Verone > /emote raises his glass with a smile toward Jade > excellent news [ 2007.01.06 00:04:21 ] Jade Constantine > /emote takes a bow with a broad smile [ 2007.01.06 00:04:26 ] GoGo Yubari > /emote grins and notes with a strangely neutral voice, "My oracular powers have yet to fail me." [ 2007.01.06 00:04:38 ] Verone > /emote nods with a smile > excellent... [ 2007.01.06 00:04:45 ] The Cosmopolite > /emote glances at GoGo and raise his glass in mock salute [ 2007.01.06 00:04:53 ] Sakura Nihil > /emote raises her champagne glass - To war! [ 2007.01.06 00:05:00 ] Jade Constantine > the gallente culture has so much to endear itself to the capsular class you know [ 2007.01.06 00:05:10 ] Ituralde > /emote raises his glass > To Victory! [ 2007.01.06 00:05:11 ] Jade Constantine > a great shame to allow its politics to damage all that * cont
Revan Neferis Amarr Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.06 07:58:00 - [31] [ 2007.01.06 00:05:11 ] Nekumi > /emote Nekumi bows > Thank you Lady Neferis [ 2007.01.06 00:05:21 ] Jade Constantine > decadence, pleasure and excess! [ 2007.01.06 00:05:31 ] Able Citizen > /emote pirouettes, his skirt lilting as he twirls [ 2007.01.06 00:05:31 ] Verone > /emote raises his glass once again [ 2007.01.06 00:05:34 ] Revan Neferis > /emote raises her glass to Jade > delicious!! [ 2007.01.06 00:05:48 ] Jade Constantine > lets bury the statist functionaries in a coffin of their delusions! [ 2007.01.06 00:05:49 ] Sakura Nihil > War. [ 2007.01.06 00:05:58 ] Tatsue Nuko > /emote nudges Gogo lightly > I promise you though, there will be some surprises even for your oracular powers... [ 2007.01.06 00:06:10 ] Jade Constantine > /emote takes a glass and raises it with Revan and her free captains gathered around [ 2007.01.06 00:06:13 ] Jade Constantine > "To war!" [ 2007.01.06 00:06:54 ] Verone > /emote glances to revan with a smile, and a wink as he passes heading to the cave > To war... [ 2007.01.06 00:07:05 ] Naphtalia > /emote raises her glass > Death.. smiles at Jade with a grin [ 2007.01.06 00:07:56 ] The Cosmopolite > /emote raise his glass high > To biomass! And so, Bloodeveil blesses with champagne, heart and mind one more campaign of the prophets. looks at her chess board And so it begins.
Caratacus	Posted - 2007.01.06 08:19:00 - [32] Now through out this thread so far and the Mito War Diary most of us have agreed that the Star Fraction is an attention seeking child looking to ruin everyone else's fun. All your bul*it propaganda aside your only fighting Cyrene because you believe you can win. Your SCARED to fight CVA and Co because you wouldn't be able to beat their fleets and thus wouldn't be able to make flashy little messages saying how much better you are than anyone else. You can't Handle CVA but you can't handle not being the certain of attention either so you have War decced a hard working, high standing organisation that you can bully in order to keep your less than attractive faces and views in the lime light. As for jumping into bed with IU that is laughable. There whole political stance has been to destroy Pro federation corporations before there big enough to even stand up for themselves never mind fight back. then Mr Bliss sends messages saying 'We've won 18 wars and never lost one' you won 18 wars and never lost one because you have mostly fought new corporations. i don't doubt your pilots have soem PVP ability but the have no credit or honour since flying in the IU. They are Amarrian puppets and you (SF) still hold them in higher regard than the likes of CYI. I look forward to your reply defending yourselves on this. Star fraction and Intaki Union are made for each other, playground bully's that want everyone livign in fear of them and bowing down at their name. I tell you this, Star Fraction and Intaki Union are Oppresing everyones right to an opinion unless you believe what they say you can't exist. I ask you, What kind of Freedom is that? Caratacus Blackrain Solutions ((give some proper answers guys not just insult and flashy posting, why are you doign this your actions are contradicting your RP and your just coming across as a bunch of griefing Wan*s))
Gervais Zhang Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.01.06 09:33:00 - [33] Edited by: Gervais Zhang on 06/01/2007 09:31:33 Their actions make perfect sense insofar as they have an excellent opportunity to seriously damage, if not destroy, the Initiative whilst it is already locked in two seperate and significant wars. You can attack the Fraction's politics in supporting the Intaki Union, but you can just as easily defend their actions as being expedient. The real irony will be if the Initiative's enemies press the fight. An excellent opportunity exists to crush the Fraction and defeat anarchy, but this would require a cessation of hostilities on the part of the Intaki Union and the Patriot Pact. It seems more likely, however, that they will prefer short-term gains and end up facing the full might of Star Fraction if the Initiative falls, but without allies. Wisdom would be for every nationalist corporation to temporarily put aside their differences in favour of crushing a common enemy. I don't really expect anyone to be wise but we can dare to dream. Fight the good fight, Star Fraction.
Doktor Quick	Posted - 2007.01.06 10:24:00 - [34] Originally by: Aeaus Edited by: Aeaus on 06/01/2007 06:00:10 Originally by: Nolin Riis Let these words ring true. My personal and professional opinions of the IU aside, I believe that Star Fraction is making a mistake. The scourge of Placid is a tyranny that does not collect taxes. Pirates roam freely, murdering civilians and capsuleers alike. Free-enterprising capsuleers. Don't you understand, Star Fraction? If you really do value the potential and dignity of fellow pilots, then why do you want to crush the humble corporations who make Placid safe for pilots new and old? If the cause you so nationalistically (yes, I said nationalistically) trumpet is true, then I suggest you drop this masturbatory campaign and focus on the bigger fish: opportunistic, cowardly bullies who prey on pilots who are just trying to strike out a living. Love your cause more than you hate your enemies. Shall we compare pirates and anti-pirates to predators and prey (and it can go both ways), logically we would expect equilibrium to be reached between both in a short time period after a disruptive event. To abandon our hatred for nationalism and allow Cyrene to maintain their foothold on placid to simply avoid a potential spike in piracy is not something that can considered remotely significant, nor is it remotely a mistake on our part. So what your saying is that It doesn't matter how many innocent people Die as long as you get to stomp on some nuetral organization that offered you no provocation, spoken like a true freedom fighter, or terrorist, or pirate, maybe scum is the best title?
Graelyn Amarr The Aeternus Crusade Aegis Militia	Posted - 2007.01.06 10:58:00 - [35] Thanks Star Fraction! Good to see you have the Amarr Empire's flank covered! (Incidentally, should you ever take on Amarr, every other Empire's loyalists might(?) come to our defense to fight you, eager for revenge....what a strange situation that would be....) "Victory is in reach, if you can but open your eyes to it." Admiral/Executor - Aegis Militia
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:50:00 - [36] I have found almost every response to our declaration pathetic. For those in the peanut galleries, you know where our war theatre is and if you find what we do so reprehensible come stop us. To those federation worms, mewling and crying before a single shot is fired, your voices bring strength to my actions and I will never have felt so righteous in executing such pathetic excuses for humanity. Your weakness is an example to all of what happens when you never stop sucking the rotten teet of imperialism. Time for you to be weened.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 11:55:00 - [37] Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Agustus Caesar points Even if the Federation is the lesser of two evils, it does not change the fact that it is a subtle evil that needs to be destroyed. I would even go as far as saying that the Federation is the greater evil. Everyone can see the evil that Amarr empire represents. The threat is clear and defined; number of those opposing slavery and archaic religios regime of Amarr is great. Federation and its 'democracy', on the other hand, is a subtle threat, and is supported by a large number of people, who being ignorant fall for the trap marked 'freedom here'. If one does not see the danger, it does not make it any less real. Those who think that The Star Fraction somehow goes against its own ideology here should update their definition of freedom. It seems the gallentean democracy virus was successful at infecting your mind.
Caratacus	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:13:00 - [38] Those are exactly the response's i expect. you do nothing to explain your actions just answer with pathetic phrases 'if you don;t like it come stop us' I am more than happy to admit that i could not stop even one of your vets let alone your blob. But you could at least have the decency to explain your behaviour or you will always be known as cowwards an bully's I ask again are you scared of Amarrians is that why you've targetted an exetremely quiet Alliance. Don't give me crap about in game converstaions with them. The Cyrene Initiative are seldom heard from on IGS and they hardly ever throw opinions around. so you tell us why you target them over Exetremely vocal Pro Amarr alliance's. YOUR scared thats why. you know you can't handle Amarr so you take out the little guy to make yourselves feel big. It's pathetic, Do you all feel big and proud in your pods. These tactics ressemble IU's way to closely. You only attack when you think you can win ((nothing to do with RP just Griefing))
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:30:00 - [39] Originally by: Caratacus Those are exactly the response's i expect. you do nothing to explain your actions just answer with pathetic phrases 'if you don;t like it come stop us' I am more than happy to admit that i could not stop even one of your vets let alone your blob. But you could at least have the decency to explain your behaviour or you will always be known as cowwards an bully's I ask again are you scared of Amarrians is that why you've targetted an exetremely quiet Alliance. Don't give me crap about in game converstaions with them. The Cyrene Initiative are seldom heard from on IGS and they hardly ever throw opinions around. so you tell us why you target them over Exetremely vocal Pro Amarr alliance's. YOUR scared thats why. you know you can't handle Amarr so you take out the little guy to make yourselves feel big. It's pathetic, Do you all feel big and proud in your pods. These tactics ressemble IU's way to closely. You only attack when you think you can win ((nothing to do with RP just Griefing)) We explained the reasons behind this war very clearly I believe. Who are to demand we explain our actions to you? This is not the last war we fight. I am afraid you will have to swallow your own words in the future, if you have a future that is. Whose fault is it you are weak? ((I did not want to post OOC, but here it goes. You suppored the Federation, we fight the imperialism. Welcome to EVE boy. If you support something, learn to protect it. Let it be the last OOC post here. If you want to discuss more start a thread in public section of SF forums or in OOC section of EVE-O))
Hulemand Gallente Hidden Agenda Deep Space Engineering	Posted - 2007.01.06 12:43:00 - [40] I support the Intaki freedom fighters and see this new bond between the Star Fraction and the Intaki Union as being very positive. For many years did the propaganda of the gallente federation blind me, but thanks to people like SF I learned of the federations failures and wickedness! At the time I ask of the Star Fraction to keep in mind the threats waiting to take over the federation in a second of weakness - threats like the Amarr dogs, blinded by their religion and their bestially instinct for inslaving others! Free pilot, Captain Hulemand! - Hulemand
deadly eggroll	Posted - 2007.01.06 13:54:00 - [41] Paging Revan, Paging Revan. Your, OMG I'M so Crazy pill is now ready. You/them/he/her/it/that can pick it up at Duvolle labs at one of our very convenient galactic locations.
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 14:23:00 - [42] Terrorists? We do not attack civilian targets, or pose as civilians by way of promoting a false sense of safety. Each target for our guns is a combat capable force. Each musters warships and veteran pilots prepared to fight for what they believe in. We do not use terror to force our rargets to capitulate. We are decisive and honest in our declarations and visible and open in our backup of those orders. This asside, as has been said: if you wish to defend Cyrene, you know where to find us. ~ Ryoji Tanakama
Maud Dib Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 14:48:00 - [43] Originally by: Caratacus Those are exactly the response's i expect. you do nothing to explain your actions just answer with pathetic phrases 'if you don;t like it come stop us' I am more than happy to admit that i could not stop even one of your vets let alone your blob. But you could at least have the decency to explain your behaviour or you will always be known as cowwards an bully's I ask again are you scared of Amarrians is that why you've targetted an exetremely quiet Alliance. Don't give me crap about in game converstaions with them. The Cyrene Initiative are seldom heard from on IGS and they hardly ever throw opinions around. so you tell us why you target them over Exetremely vocal Pro Amarr alliance's. YOUR scared thats why. you know you can't handle Amarr so you take out the little guy to make yourselves feel big. It's pathetic, Do you all feel big and proud in your pods. These tactics ressemble IU's way to closely. You only attack when you think you can win ((nothing to do with RP just Griefing)) When you have ceased your child like tantrum and the haze has passed from your admittedly impotent rage perhaps you should examine what you have written. "You only attack when you think you can win," What sort of fool attacks when he does not think he can win? When your entire argument is as flawed as the aboce quote why should anyone bother to care what you think?
Inistis INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.06 15:10:00 - [44] Finally. From here and beyond words mean nothing. NOW we shall have a War. Let the guns of IU, its allies and our enemies speak. Time to bleed together. Let it begin.
Caratacus	Posted - 2007.01.06 15:29:00 - [45] Not a fool, someone with the courage you claim to posses. I see this is fruitless. You have no intention of defending yourselves i will stop replyign to this and fuelling your attention seeking PR. Your cowards without honour and your fighting the good fight that will save the Amarrians the trouble. Your nicely allied with known Amarrian collaborators. so i brand you either cowards with no honour (which i believe to be true) or your Amarrian puppets which i see as a remote possibility. don't bother to answer me i've said all i have to say. Let other view your wayward and despicable antics and make their own decision.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 15:43:00 - [46] Originally by: Caratacus Not a fool, someone with the courage you claim to posses. Then I imagine we'll be seeing you in space soon Caratacus. Otherwise you are simply an empty bag of wind and deserve nothing of respect or notice. Star Fraction is recruiting
Running Leopard Minmatar Vherokior Mining Company	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:24:00 - [47] I am a victim of the Star Fraction. Two days ago ago I was flying in my Hoarder in Hakonen and was attacked by them. They said they were sorry and it was a accident they were waiting for someone else and paid me but warned me to stay out of the Star Fraction space. I didnt have a chance they were 100km from the gate and I didnt even see it happen. I came out of warp and was killed. One of them was very rude and suggested they not pay me at all because I could be a spy and Im just a new person. Then he said I was incapable of understanding the complex dynamics of free space. I asked him what that means and he laughed at me. Im pretty new to Eve so this wasnt fun for me at all. I found out about Star Fraction while getting ready to post a question about RP and recognized the person who attacked me. After reading the posts here I can see theyre longwinded attentionseekers who are arrogant and that they like to beat up on people who cant fight back. They did pay for my hoarder so I guess I should be grateful but said they couldnt pay for anything else and someone else stole the loot from the can so they said I couldnt prove what I had in it. Everything I owned was in the ship including some small gun blueprints I had bought to try and make money. I lost just about everything and they only paid me for the ship and the lost items in the killmail. I dont care about their big posts I just wanted people to know what kind of people they are. Running Leopard
Destania Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 16:35:00 - [48] Originally by: Inistis Edited by: Inistis on 06/01/2007 15:23:04 It is time for us all to bleed...to bleed together. Let it begin. I think I like this guy! Well said!
Maud Dib Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:08:00 - [49] Originally by: Running Leopard I am a victim of the Star Fraction. Two days ago ago I was flying in my Hoarder in Hakonen and was attacked by them. They said they were sorry and it was a accident they were waiting for someone else and paid me but warned me to stay out of the Star Fraction space. I didnt have a chance they were 100km from the gate and I didnt even see it happen. I came out of warp and was killed. One of them was very rude and suggested they not pay me at all because I could be a spy and Im just a new person. Then he said I was incapable of understanding the complex dynamics of free space. I asked him what that means and he laughed at me. Im pretty new to Eve so this wasnt fun for me at all. I found out about Star Fraction while getting ready to post a question about RP and recognized the person who attacked me. After reading the posts here I can see theyre longwinded attentionseekers who are arrogant and that they like to beat up on people who cant fight back. They did pay for my hoarder so I guess I should be grateful but said they couldnt pay for anything else and someone else stole the loot from the can so they said I couldnt prove what I had in it. Everything I owned was in the ship including some small gun blueprints I had bought to try and make money. I lost just about everything and they only paid me for the ship and the lost items in the killmail. I dont care about their big posts I just wanted people to know what kind of people they are. Running Leopard Perhaps you could either post the kill mail involved or EVE mail it to and I will look into this matter. Also sending the chat logs of the person you feel mistreated you would help. You will forgive me if I find it hard to believe that some of our members took the loot can of an innocent person. Honestly if you are indeed new to the cluster I can't imagine any of them needing what you have much less taking it. On further review it seems your corp has one member, being your self obviously, and that you have been in the cluster for three days. So you must have been fairly successful it seems to have afforded to start your own corp so soon. Seems a bit odd to me I must say.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:33:00 - [50] Originally by: Running Leopard I am a victim of the Star Fraction. Two days ago ago I was flying in my Hoarder in Hakonen and was attacked by them. They said they were sorry and it was a accident they were waiting for someone else and paid me but warned me to stay out of the Star Fraction space. I didnt have a chance they were 100km from the gate and I didnt even see it happen. I came out of warp and was killed. One of them was very rude and suggested they not pay me at all because I could be a spy and Im just a new person. Then he said I was incapable of understanding the complex dynamics of free space. I asked him what that means and he laughed at me. Im pretty new to Eve so this wasnt fun for me at all. I found out about Star Fraction while getting ready to post a question about RP and recognized the person who attacked me. After reading the posts here I can see theyre longwinded attentionseekers who are arrogant and that they like to beat up on people who cant fight back. They did pay for my hoarder so I guess I should be grateful but said they couldnt pay for anything else and someone else stole the loot from the can so they said I couldnt prove what I had in it. Everything I owned was in the ship including some small gun blueprints I had bought to try and make money. I lost just about everything and they only paid me for the ship and the lost items in the killmail. I dont care about their big posts I just wanted people to know what kind of people they are. Running Leopard You are a liar and whoever put you up to this is a coward of the worst order. If this is what our enemies must resort to at least make the fabrication somewhat believable.
Gervais Zhang Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:37:00 - [51] Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand about Star Fraction. Behind the smoke and mirrors, their philosophy can be easily summarised as "Might Makes Right." Arguing with simpletons that live by such paradigms, whatever their eloquence, gives them credence they do not deserve. Incidentally, SF, since you're fond of telling people who want to fight you to put our ships where are mouths are, would you mind wardeccing us? Not everyone who wants to throw some frigates and cruisers at you can afford to buy off CONCORD like you can.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:42:00 - [52] Edited by: Nekumi on 06/01/2007 17:40:23 Originally by: Gervais Zhang Honestly, I don't see what's so hard to understand about Star Fraction. Behind the smoke and mirrors, their philosophy can be easily summarised as "Might Makes Right." Arguing with simpletons that live by such paradigms, whatever their eloquence, gives them credence they do not deserve. Incidentally, SF, since you're fond of telling people who want to fight you to put our ships where are mouths are, would you mind wardeccing us? Not everyone who wants to throw some frigates and cruisers at you can afford to buy off CONCORD like you can. You want us to pay you to fight us and you call us simpletons? Oh and we prefer the phrase Right makes Might.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:43:00 - [53] Originally by: Gervais Zhang Incidentally, SF, since you're fond of telling people who want to fight you to put our ships where are mouths are, would you mind wardeccing us? Not everyone who wants to throw some frigates and cruisers at you can afford to buy off CONCORD like you can. I suggest you go cap in hand to Cyrene. Economics is part of war in this universe and I see no merit in funding the wars of enemies. We won't complain if you declare on us but asking us to pay for it is a nonsense. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
pauleuler	Posted - 2007.01.06 17:52:00 - [54] Originally by: Caratacus Not a fool, someone with the courage you claim to posses. I see this is fruitless. You have no intention of defending yourselves i will stop replyign to this and fuelling your attention seeking PR. Your cowards without honour and your fighting the good fight that will save the Amarrians the trouble. Your nicely allied with known Amarrian collaborators. so i brand you either cowards with no honour (which i believe to be true) or your Amarrian puppets which i see as a remote possibility. don't bother to answer me i've said all i have to say. Let other view your wayward and despicable antics and make their own decision. I found this shocking in it's blatant xenophobic, racist nationalism. Agents of Amarr - is that the limit of your understandings? Have you become so locked into your memetic structures that you cannot construe conflict in terms other than of race hate? I almost pity you, shackled in your prison of habitual thought, but then I remember the dead victims of you fascist ideology spread across millennia. We shall have you all down, your dust will be stirred by out boots as we pass.
innot Minmatar Technology 42	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:03:00 - [55] Best of luck to the Cyrene Initiative, Give the Star Fraction hell
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:05:00 - [56] Originally by: Gervais Zhang Incidentally, SF, since you're fond of telling people who want to fight you to put our ships where are mouths are, would you mind wardeccing us? Not everyone who wants to throw some frigates and cruisers at you can afford to buy off CONCORD like you can. are you declaring your support of Cyrene and the vile Federation they serve? Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
Kodan Ajex Gallente Federal Ranger Corp	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:10:00 - [57] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Sakura Nihil Originally by: Agustus Caesar points Even if the Federation is the lesser of two evils, it does not change the fact that it is a subtle evil that needs to be destroyed. So those who support equality is evil so those who suppost freedom of expression is evil so those who advocate that all are free is evil so those who support we all have a chance to become all we can are evil sorry but all you bluster shows you to be the tyrant who cant accept free will. "The truest measure of a society is how it treats its elderly, its pets, and its prisoners."
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.06 18:57:00 - [58] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 06/01/2007 19:05:35 Well, you can't say nobody warned you. I wrote this open letter while serving as ops director in APEX. Please read nothing of Omerta policy or perspective here. Good luck, Cyrene. You're going to need a lot of it.
Hakel Daima Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 19:38:00 - [59] Originally by: Kodan Ajex So those who support equality is evil so those who suppost freedom of expression is evil so those who advocate that all are free is evil so those who support we all have a chance to become all we can are evil sorry but all you bluster shows you to be the tyrant who cant accept free will. Do not make the mistake of believing government propaganda. The Federation claims to be in favour of individual freedom, equality and oportunity for all, but a cursory glance through a history book shows us how far you can trust such claims. I put it to you Mr. Ajex to ask the descendants of those murdered at Caldari Prime about Federation notions of equality and freedom. I put to you Mr. Ajex to ask the Intaki exciled for their beliefs and actions about Gallente notions of freedom of expression and tyranny. The fact of the matter is that while citizens of the Federation are freer than many they are only as free as their government allows them to be and, as history has shown us, that same government has a habit of changing its mind when it comes to the rights it deems its subjects fit to have.
Kodan Ajex Gallente Federal Ranger Corp	Posted - 2007.01.06 21:22:00 - [60] Edited by: Kodan Ajex on 06/01/2007 21:20:10 Originally by: Hakel Daima Originally by: Kodan Ajex So those who support equality is evil so those who suppost freedom of expression is evil so those who advocate that all are free is evil so those who support we all have a chance to become all we can are evil sorry but all you bluster shows you to be the tyrant who cant accept free will. Do not make the mistake of believing government propaganda. The Federation claims to be in favour of individual freedom, equality and oportunity for all, but a cursory glance through a history book shows us how far you can trust such claims. I put it to you Mr. Ajex to ask the descendants of those murdered at Caldari Prime about Federation notions of equality and freedom. I put to you Mr. Ajex to ask the Intaki exciled for their beliefs and actions about Gallente notions of freedom of expression and tyranny. The fact of the matter is that while citizens of the Federation are freer than many they are only as free as their government allows them to be and, as history has shown us, that same government has a habit of changing its mind when it comes to the rights it deems its subjects fit to have. agian bluster you have not answered the questions, are the fundimental corner stones of the federation as i have set before you at odds with SF. the Intaki where the reason we have the current persident are you telling them they are wrong and you know better. you and your entire alliance are the tyrants dont use smoke and mirrors it only makes you look stupid "The truest measure of a society is how it treats its elderly, its pets, and its prisoners."
Running Leopard Minmatar Vherokior Mining Company	Posted - 2007.01.06 21:31:00 - [61] Quote: You are a liar and whoever put you up to this is a coward of the worst order. If this is what our enemies must resort to at least make the fabrication somewhat believable. I will try to find and send the killmail to maudib he asked for it if i didnt delete it. I dont care to get into a form war with you people you seem way over my head at posting long winded paragraphs of nothing. I said what happend and I am not a liar. You people are bullies and im calling you one to your face. Your nothing but pirates as far as im concerned you just have good form skills. Im sorry im not up to your level of form bs. Running Leopard
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 22:33:00 - [62] Edited by: The Cosmopolite on 06/01/2007 22:36:11 Funny how people who make such accusations find that their killmails are missing. I suppose the chatlogs and ship logs are also mysteriously missing. Transparent nonsense. Moving to slightly more substantial fare: Originally by: Kodan Ajex agian bluster you have not answered the questions, are the fundimental corner stones of the federation as i have set before you at odds with SF. Well, let's examine these 'fundamentals'. Originally by: Kodan Ajex So those who support equality is evil Answer: No Quote: so those who suppost freedom of expression is evil Answer: No Quote: so those who advocate that all are free is evil Answer: No Quote: so those who support we all have a chance to become all we can are evil Answer: No So, SF is not at odds with any of the items you claim are fundamentals of the Gallente Federation. The problem is that while the Gallente Federation, you and other partisans in its favour may claim those are fundamentals but when it comes to action and reality the facts are rather different. The Caldari wished to maintain their autonomy. They were denied that right and when they tried to secede a violent war was triggered. Elements of the Intaki people wished to secede, agitated for this and rose against the Federation. They were suppressed and the survivors were exiled. The ORE corporation wished to retain the fruits of its labours. When the Gallente Federation tried to seize them it seceded and maintained its own security and independence. The lessons are clear enough: the Federation cannot tolerate the free will of others and uses force to stop dissent and maintain its territories. It respects force and economic power as this is what stops it in its tracks when it tries to halt those who would make their own way, as in the case of the original Caldari secessionists and the ORE corporation. When it is able to use force to crush dissent, as with the Intaki Risings, it very happily will do so. As for the fact that Souro Foiritan is an Intaki û which I assume is the point you are trying to make with your demented claim that the Intaki are the reason the office of Federation President is occupied by that person û this is no argument against us. If there are Intaki who wish to remain in the Federation and take part in its corrupt politics, let them. We simply wish to see self-determination available to all and that portion of the Intaki population who seek it to be fully-enabled to meet their aspirations. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Aeaus Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.06 22:35:00 - [63] Originally by: The Cosmopolite Funny how people who make such accusations find that their killmails are missing. I suppose the chatlogs and ship logs are also mysteriously missing. Transparent nonsense. More so then that, the agent in question is simply working for a client who desires to remain hidden for fear of stepping in with their own opinions, must be a Gallente Citizen too scared to voice his true feelings, yet likely beating on about Gallente freedoms. ((How ironic that a three day old player manages to "supposedly" get killed by Star Fraction, then his first post is in an obscure forum on a topic that involves declaring war on the Cyrene Initiative and then makes no post on any other forums. Smells like somebody is too scared to actually use their main character.)) Tanking Survivability Calculator
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.07 00:10:00 - [64] Originally by: Running Leopard You people are bullies and im calling you one to your face. No, you aren't. You're trash-talking them on a forum.
Sun Jao	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:23:00 - [65] Forgive me for being ignorant, but I am sincerely trying to understand the situation and what school of thought the Star Fraction comes from. Is it fair to say that the Star Fraction wants anarchy? (Literally meaning anti-government not in the coloquial sense meaning chaos)
Gervais Zhang Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.01.07 01:29:00 - [66] "are you declaring your support of Cyrene and the vile Federation they serve?" I don't think Durandal has ever made it a secret that we seek to defend the Gallente Federation and we have been trying to warn the Initiative since last week that there was an unhealthy number of SF pilots in Placid. I hope you're smart enough to do the math. --- "Elements of the Intaki people wished to secede, agitated for this and rose against the Federation. They were suppressed and the survivors were exiled..." You conflate several issues in your effort to paint a picture. First, understand that any polity must identify and maintain territorial boundaries that reflect strategic realities based on defence and the economic value of the territory therein; this would include even the Star Fraction. Citizens in the Gallente Federation, for example, are welcome to leave without harrassment and without confiscation of property. If a group of citizens wished to create a legal framework that makes coexistence with the Federation impossible, I would laud their efforts... so long as they removed themselves from the Federation. This is reasonable. It is unreasonable for a minority group to establish a seperate state within the boundaries of a larger state if doing so would negatively impact the well-being of the larger state's citizens. In the case of the Intaki seperatists, their cause is doubly flawed since not only do they represent a minority of Intaki, they also inflate the importance of a very small class of people (capsuleers). Few if any Federation citizens oppose the creation of an Intaki state; simply look at the volume of peaceful traffic between Syndicate space and Federation. The Federation MUST oppose the creation of any state within its borders that will threaten the well-being of its citizens. We have a special responsibility to oppose a small group of capsuleers who seek to force their views on an unwilling majority simply because they have the armaments to do so. Keep changing the subject, Cosmopolite and friends, but you wouldn't let someone take away your property if doing so would hurt the majority of your community. We're not going to let someone do that either. Anyway, keep poking fun at us 'mewlers' and 'whiners,' but if we catch you away from sentry guns in low-sec, it'll be 'pew pew' and the groans of agony will be yours.
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.07 02:55:00 - [67] Originally by: Gervais Zhang You conflate several issues in your effort to paint a picture. First, understand that any polity must identify and maintain territorial boundaries that reflect strategic realities based on defence and the economic value of the territory therein; this would include even the Star Fraction. No it would not as the Star Fraction does not and will never claim territory and enclose it. You are talking of polities that cling to the old imperatives of territorialism and economics that ignore the benefits of free trade and open access to resources. Quote: It is unreasonable for a minority group to establish a seperate state within the boundaries of a larger state if doing so would negatively impact the well-being of the larger state's citizens. In the case of the Intaki seperatists, their cause is doubly flawed since not only do they represent a minority of Intaki, they also inflate the importance of a very small class of people (capsuleers). This is old thinking. Space is vast and the notion that a state should lay claim to all space that happens to surround its planetary or other static holdings is regressive and deeply unsophisticated. The idea is already considerably undermined by the free movement afforded to capsuleers and other space traffic through the jump network and other means of FTL travel. It is even more profoundly undermined by cloning, personality translations and developments such as jump-cloning Quote: Few if any Federation citizens oppose the creation of an Intaki state; simply look at the volume of peaceful traffic between Syndicate space and Federation. You are perhaps referring to the frequent Gallente Federation raids in that region against Intaki Syndicate space. I have seen and been happy to assist in defeating many numbers of Gallente Navy incursions in the region. This is not 'peaceful' but it's certainly traffic of a sort. The Federation maintains hostile standings to the Intaki Syndicate and anyone who works for the Syndicate will see their standings with GalFed go down, let me assure you. So do not talk nonsense about the Federation not opposing the existence and operations of the Intaki Syndicate. Quote: The Federation MUST oppose the creation of any state within its borders that will threaten the well-being of its citizens. We have a special responsibility to oppose a small group of capsuleers who seek to force their views on an unwilling majority simply because they have the armaments to do so. Naturally the Federation must oppose the notion of independent and free associations within its borders but not for its citizens, rather for its very survival as a system of control. As for opposing capsuleers, the Federation may do so but time and the pattern of the future is with the capsuleers who fight for freedom, not the retrograde policies of the Federation or any other empire. Quote: Keep changing the subject, Cosmopolite and friends, but you wouldn't let someone take away your property if doing so would hurt the majority of your community. We're not going to let someone do that either. I believe you changed the subject but no great matter. You're right to say we'd defend our property however we simply disagree with you as to what the Federation has any claim to call its 'property'. Quote: Anyway, keep poking fun at us 'mewlers' and 'whiners,' but if we catch you away from sentry guns in low-sec, it'll be 'pew pew' and the groans of agony will be yours. I have one question, to be clear, are you declaring the hostility of your corporation to us outside sanctioned empire wars and your intention to shoot us even though you are presently neutral to us? The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Gervais Zhang Gallente The Durandal Organization	Posted - 2007.01.07 06:49:00 - [68] Edited by: Gervais Zhang on 07/01/2007 06:47:06 "I have one question, to be clear, are you declaring the hostility of your corporation to us outside sanctioned empire wars and your intention to shoot us even though you are presently neutral to us?" A Star Fraction pirate worried about CONCORD war declarations; you're funny, sir. (Edit: grammar)
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:28:00 - [69] Originally by: Gervais Zhang Edited by: Gervais Zhang on 07/01/2007 06:47:06 "I have one question, to be clear, are you declaring the hostility of your corporation to us outside sanctioned empire wars and your intention to shoot us even though you are presently neutral to us?" A Star Fraction pirate worried about CONCORD war declarations; you're funny, sir. (Edit: grammar) I see our diplomatic methods are too subtle for you to easily comprehend so I'll make it simple. Cosmopolite is asking whether you are prepared to go on record with the threat that you'll engage our shipping in lowsec. If the answer is "yes" we'll set you -10 KOS right now and save ourselves the bother of discovering your hostility when it might not be so convenient. Once you're set -10 you are no longer neutral and thus a target for free captains and alls done fairly and above board. So are you full of wind or making honest declaration of hostile intent? Star Fraction is recruiting
Cipher7	Posted - 2007.01.07 07:35:00 - [70] I have to admit, I often find it difficult to comprehend the motives that drive SF. Maybe they are anarchists, but they do it with style. Conflict is Life. Live it up.
Nooey COLD-Wing	Posted - 2007.01.07 11:51:00 - [71] I offer 50m for Koopy's Corpse, I'll only need one at this point in time. A further 1m is offered to each pilot involved in any ship or capsule destruction of his for the duration of the war. Make him bleed and I'll help pay your Concord fees. I'll be waiting in the Skyhook if you wish to accept the deal or discuss any details.
Coeleth Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.07 11:56:00 - [72] Many, many people seem mystified by our motivations and way of operating. Maybe this will clarify. On the subject of our goals:- - To oppose oppressive regimes who will entrap their populaces with force, coercion or trickery, which of course includes those regimes which claim to espouse intellectual and economic liberty but in truth do not. - To display in our actions that pilots can empower themselves and do not have to shelter under the wings of larger organisations. - To combat the meme, (the mindset of ideas and habits), that encourages people to form static empires with closed borders and xenophobic attitudes. The minute you start thinking of an asteroid belt, space station, solar system or anything outside of what you earned yourself with your own ISK as yours, you're coming under the influence of this ancient and stifling meme. On the subject of our operations:- - Direct attacks to destroy pod-pilot paramilitary organisations who are encouraging the spread of the above mentioned meme , identified by filling the two following criteria: 1) Active support of a regime mentioned above or actively being a regime mentioned above. 2) Policing of space against other entities to deny access to said area of space in defense of a claim to that space or policing of space against other entities under the pretext, noble or not, that they are protecting 'lesser able' pilots in that space. The second part of point two creates much contention. Is protecting industrials from pirate incursions so bad? We say it is, because it is setting up a caste system, placing in effect a regime of control and dependence and so further spreading the old mind-set of territory and population control. Nobody said this would be easy. On the subject of standings:- - We will not have our standings dictated to us by a third party under any circumstance. Who we like and who we shoot is decided by us and is not subject to outside force. - We set organisations to negative standings for one reason only: being past aggression. If you attack us, we will contact you to find out why. If you are not willing to come to an agreement of recompense and mutual non-aggression at that point, we will set your corporation/alliance -10 and will consider you hostile and to be treated as such until further notice. It's that simple. In conclusion, I hope that clears things up a little. Any further questions should be directed to a member of Star Fraction in space, leaving this thread clear of further chaff.
Inistis INTAKI UNION	Posted - 2007.01.08 11:44:00 - [73] Originally by: GoGo Yubari Originally by: Running Leopard You people are bullies and im calling you one to your face. No, you aren't. You're trash-talking them on a forum. It could not have been said better. Thanks Gogo.
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.08 12:18:00 - [74] Originally by: Inistis Originally by: GoGo Yubari Originally by: Running Leopard You people are bullies and im calling you one to your face. No, you aren't. You're trash-talking them on a forum. It could not have been said better. Thanks Gogo. nods
Randalf Gandorp	Posted - 2007.01.08 12:19:00 - [75] Edited by: Randalf Gandorp on 08/01/2007 12:17:50 Edited by: Randalf Gandorp on 08/01/2007 12:16:44 I would like to address the Star Fraction a question. How do you view the human being in the stateless nature? What characterize the human? You come with your war machine, remove the sovereign then leave. Do you believe that single citizens will then just find out how to make their new society?
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.08 15:50:00 - [76] Quote: I would like to address the Star Fraction a question. How do you view the human being in the stateless nature? What characterize the human? This is an extraordinarily deep question but simply put human beings and other sentient and intelligent entities û such as transhumans or any eventual posthumans û are characterised by rationality. This essential attribute of the self-aware entity is best expressed when that rationality is uncorrupted by any memetic contagion that webs notions such as nationalism, territorialism and collective government around and about the basic individual interests of every rational actor. Every individual is ultimately a sovereign entity, capable of thinking and acting in their true best interests, and the tragedy is that those who cede their freedoms in exchange for a spurious 'security', or any other of the typically evanescent promises of government, always do so by their own free choice. It cannot be any other way. Quote: You come with your war machine, remove the sovereign then leave. Do you believe that single citizens will then just find out how to make their new society? Well, I am pleased you give me the opportunity to refute another of the many false assumptions that commonly do the rounds concerning our ideology. The Star Fraction does not believe that all things can be achieved in a day. We understand that the posthumanist revolution in social organisation, economics, military power and technology is a process. We seek to engage with that process and act as catalysing agents within it. We advocate that individuals arm themselves first and foremost by informing themselves as to the nature of existence and clearing their minds of the cobwebs of the past. Once an individual recognises his own true self-interest he should act to secure it and in doing so, we hold, will be able to co-operate with others who recognise that enlightened self-interest is conducive to good and mutually-profitable relations between free individuals. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.08 22:13:00 - [77] As distances vanish and the people can flow freely from place to place, society will cross a psychological specific heat boundary and enter a new state. No longer a solid or liquid, we have become as a vapor and will expand to fill all available space. And like a gas, we shall not be easily contained. _ Do Unto Others.
Valrandir Shiva Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.08 22:48:00 - [78] The Cyrene Initiative shall fall. To arms SF! -------------------------------- This has surpassed the Yarrdware specification and has been dubbed Uberware.
Jalmari Vaara	Posted - 2007.01.09 19:17:00 - [79] Edited by: Jalmari Vaara on 09/01/2007 19:14:21 Quote: - To oppose oppressive regimes who will entrap their populaces with force, coercion or trickery, which of course includes those regimes which claim to espouse intellectual and economic liberty but in truth do not. - To display in our actions that pilots can empower themselves and do not have to shelter under the wings of larger organisations. Translation-to harass and destroy whomever strikes their fancy, while spouting pontificating claptrap in order not to appear as the pointless thugs they are.
Aria Jenneth Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.09 20:20:00 - [80] Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 09/01/2007 20:19:51 Oh, they're not pointless or random. Optimistic to the point of madness, yes. Deeply in love with their own self-determined profundity, also yes. Also, more than a little naiive, as they merrily ignore such points as that hierarchy as social order is not merely a meme, but a trait that appears in animals as often and easily as it does in us, and which appears in some form even in their own organization. This inclination towards hierarchy is the death knell of anarchy, as human societies end up being self-organizing in obedience to this instinct. They're fanatical idealists, somewhat disconnected from reality (but then, what idealist isn't?). This is what makes them deadly-- not random whim, but grim, focused intent in service to the deeply unlikely, not to say impossible. So, despise, pity, and / or fear them, but never dismiss them as merely random bullies, for to do so mistakes the tactic for the purpose. They're true believers in a foolish notion, but that doesn't make their firepower any less fearsome. They prey on smallish, relatively poorly funded organizations for the moment, because that's who their jaws fit around. In the long run, if you support any of the empires or even the large, deep-space conglomerates (especially the ones that have claimed territory), then you're the ones they're after. As an aside, I'd advise the Intaki Union not to be too quick to support SF; should you win your freedom and set up your own national territory, they'll be just as quick to tear you down as they are the empires. Quicker, because you'll be easier prey. I would also like to clarify that my comments here are those of an individual, and do not represent the views of my corporation.
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:29:00 - [81] Edited by: Nekumi on 09/01/2007 21:26:07 Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 09/01/2007 20:19:51 Oh, they're not pointless or random. Optimistic to the point of madness, yes. Deeply in love with their own self-determined profundity, also yes. Also, more than a little naiive, as they merrily ignore such points as that hierarchy as social order is not merely a meme, but a trait that appears in animals as often and easily as it does in us, and which appears in some form even in their own organization. This inclination towards hierarchy is the death knell of anarchy, as human societies end up being self-organizing in obedience to this instinct. They're fanatical idealists, somewhat disconnected from reality (but then, what idealist isn't?). This is what makes them deadly-- not random whim, but grim, focused intent in service to the deeply unlikely, not to say impossible. So, despise, pity, and / or fear them, but never dismiss them as merely random bullies, for to do so mistakes the tactic for the purpose. They're true believers in a foolish notion, but that doesn't make their firepower any less fearsome. They prey on smallish, relatively poorly funded organizations for the moment, because that's who their jaws fit around. In the long run, if you support any of the empires or even the large, deep-space conglomerates (especially the ones that have claimed territory), then you're the ones they're after. As an aside, I'd advise the Intaki Union not to be too quick to support SF; should you win your freedom and set up your own national territory, they'll be just as quick to tear you down as they are the empires. Quicker, because you'll be easier prey. I would also like to clarify that my comments here are those of an individual, and do not represent the views of my corporation. We are all so much more than animals Aria, but you are almost there. Take a few more steps, look a little closer and you will see.
Maud Dib Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:30:00 - [82] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Edited by: Aria Jenneth on 09/01/2007 20:19:51 Oh, they're not pointless or random. Optimistic to the point of madness, yes. Deeply in love with their own self-determined profundity, also yes. Also, more than a little naiive, as they merrily ignore such points as that hierarchy as social order is not merely a meme, but a trait that appears in animals as often and easily as it does in us, and which appears in some form even in their own organization. This inclination towards hierarchy is the death knell of anarchy, as human societies end up being self-organizing in obedience to this instinct. They're fanatical idealists, somewhat disconnected from reality (but then, what idealist isn't?). This is what makes them deadly-- not random whim, but grim, focused intent in service to the deeply unlikely, not to say impossible. So, despise, pity, and / or fear them, but never dismiss them as merely random bullies, for to do so mistakes the tactic for the purpose. They're true believers in a foolish notion, but that doesn't make their firepower any less fearsome. They prey on smallish, relatively poorly funded organizations for the moment, because that's who their jaws fit around. In the long run, if you support any of the empires or even the large, deep-space conglomerates (especially the ones that have claimed territory), then you're the ones they're after. As an aside, I'd advise the Intaki Union not to be too quick to support SF; should you win your freedom and set up your own national territory, they'll be just as quick to tear you down as they are the empires. Quicker, because you'll be easier prey. I would also like to clarify that my comments here are those of an individual, and do not represent the views of my corporation. You are really quite charming when you call us fanatics. I'll consider the term idealist a compliment even if I highly doubt that was the intent.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 21:59:00 - [83] Edited by: Tecam Hund on 09/01/2007 22:01:35 No two individuals will ever completely agree on everything. However, it is good to see that there are some who can, to certain degree, understand and respect opinion of another despite the disagreements. P.S. Interesting how you called us idealists, Ms Jenneth. About a year ago, prior me joining the Star Fraction, I made a remark on Galnet concerning SF. I used the word idealists. Look where I ended up now.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:27:00 - [84] Originally by: Aria Jenneth Oh, they're not pointless or random. Optimistic to the point of madness, yes. Deeply in love with their own self-determined profundity, also yes. Also, more than a little naiive, as they merrily ignore such points as that hierarchy as social order is not merely a meme, but a trait that appears in animals as often and easily as it does in us, and which appears in some form even in their own organization. This inclination towards hierarchy is the death knell of anarchy, as human societies end up being self-organizing in obedience to this instinct. They're fanatical idealists, somewhat disconnected from reality (but then, what idealist isn't?). This is what makes them deadly-- not random whim, but grim, focused intent in service to the deeply unlikely, not to say impossible. So, despise, pity, and / or fear them, but never dismiss them as merely random bullies, for to do so mistakes the tactic for the purpose. They're true believers in a foolish notion, but that doesn't make their firepower any less fearsome. They prey on smallish, relatively poorly funded organizations for the moment, because that's who their jaws fit around. In the long run, if you support any of the empires or even the large, deep-space conglomerates (especially the ones that have claimed territory), then you're the ones they're after. As an aside, I'd advise the Intaki Union not to be too quick to support SF; should you win your freedom and set up your own national territory, they'll be just as quick to tear you down as they are the empires. Quicker, because you'll be easier prey. I would also like to clarify that my comments here are those of an individual, and do not represent the views of my corporation. So to summarise your point Aria Jenneth. You are saying that hierarchy as social order is good because its something animals practise and anarcho-capitalism is bad because its something only post-human cultures aspire to? Interesting if deeply regressive point of view that. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:29:00 - [85] Originally by: Running Leopard I will try to find and send the killmail to maudib he asked for it if i didnt delete it. I dont care to get into a form war with you people you seem way over my head at posting long winded paragraphs of nothing. I said what happend and I am not a liar. You people are bullies and im calling you one to your face. Your nothing but pirates as far as im concerned you just have good form skills. Im sorry im not up to your level of form bs. Running Leopard So either "running leopard" has been so affronted by his poor reception in the summit that he's taken his own life permanently and consigned his memories to "doomheim" or maybe just maybe this was a cheap Cyrene Initiative propaganda stunt? Lets have the viewing public decide. Star Fraction is recruiting
Lucius Lefebvre Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.09 23:56:00 - [86] Mme. Constantine To place the doubtless empty grievance of 'Running Leopard' at the feet of Cyrene may be an injustice; alas, but GalNet harbours many who would happily see Jericho Fraction made fools of. Having reviewed your opening transmission I am, however, interested in when your perception of the Federation shifted from a 'cradle for civilisation' to a 'prison for the dreams of billions.'
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.01.10 01:24:00 - [87] Edited by: Tomahawk Bliss on 10/01/2007 01:21:03 Originally by: Aria Jenneth As an aside, I'd advise the Intaki Union not to be too quick to support SF; should you win your freedom and set up your own national territory, they'll be just as quick to tear you down as they are the empires. Quicker, because you'll be easier prey. Intaki Union is not "easy prey" Aria. I've trained a number of these freedom fighters, and as well other powerful warriors and commanders have also lent their teachings. They are capable, strong and many. Also Intaki Union is not looking to make a mini-nation state, the Intaki by their own obvious design do not crave such totalitarian rule when left to their own devices. See the syndicate for example. Also Intaki Union tends to give each group the benefit of the doubt first, Star Fraction has to this very second kept their word 100%. Other former allies and those who are now neutral have not. All that matters in diplomatic association is keeping one's word. In the end that is all you have and Intaki Union has always bled to keep its promises and more often than not find our allies lacking in moral fiber, if Star Fraction is of the same caliber of character as Intaki Union (absolute adherence to agreements) than I am sure the leaders of the Movement will wish a long and fruitful association. That however is not my call to make. You judge Star Fraction and give council not on how they have acted but on some perceived insight you think you have. That being said I have never feared man, woman or Fraction and neither has any member of Intaki Union. They are not simpering Federation piglets, any who have double crossed the Union have faced fire and blood and I have reveled in the raw splatter of war. Your concern is misplaced and ultimately I feel not based on an idea of concern for Intaki Union but in an attempt to slander those who have proven thus far to have kept their word. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 03:22:00 - [88] That is a slight twist of Ms. Jenneth's words, Jasmine. Where did she say hierarchal social structures were good because packs of animals tend to follow a leader? I think her point was that since the construction of rigid social order seems most natural, the Fraction will not see their goals realized. Objectives will be accomplished, certainly, and the number of freecaptains will steadily increase, but there is no end to your struggle because it is an impossible one. You are not battling any one empire. You are battling human nature. That is what I got out of it, anyway. I would have to say I agree, as well. Save the Chimera, CCP!
Rollory Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.10 05:00:00 - [89] Originally by: The Cosmopolite This is an extraordinarily deep question but simply put human beings ... are characterised by rationality ... Proof positive: there ARE nonhuman sapients in the Eve cluster. And they fly for the Star Fraction. No other way to be so very ignorant of human beings and what they actually do. Actually, I shouldn't be as surprised as I am. That the Fraction should engage in behavior so fundamentally at odds with what humanity has on countless occasions freely chosen and freely organized on its own, throughout history and with no evidence that the basic pattern of our existence was different in prehistory either - that they should insist upon a philosophy so completely at odds with human nature as it has been expressed a near-infinity of times - is a clear indication that their minds are thoroughly nonhuman - as nonhuman as the social system into which they dream of remaking us. I have great faith in human nature, though. It is resilient and true to itself, and will return to its original and natural forms once the alien influence has passed. We may well grow stronger for the contest, as well - whatever the origin of these nonhumans, their numbers do seem limited, and as such they never will pose a true threat to humanity in general.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 05:45:00 - [90] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda You are battling human nature. Old human nature, not post-human nature. Thats the point really. We are on the cusp of a profound societal and even evolutionary change, one can either cling to the illusions of past security or look forward to the possibilties of the future. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 07:16:00 - [91] I cannot see your dreams coming to fruition, considering throughout the recorded history of humankind, empires have risen and fallen but have always gotten back up. What is so special about now? Is it that we have put so much faith in cloning technology that we believe ourselves to be immortal? Is it because we float through space with more freedom than anyone else in the cluster? What are you really doing other than promoting the ascendency and superiority of the capsuleer caste (a group just as corrupt and responsible as any other), disregarding the fact that there is another 99.9999-something percent of the world to be considered. Save the Chimera, CCP!
GoGo Yubari Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.10 08:18:00 - [92] While I sympathize with any attempts to delve deeper into the post-human condition, I find myself unable agree with the wider tenets of Star Fraction's ideology. The boundaries that define the have's and have-not's may be changing, but they are certainly not disappearing. The resources available to us are not limitless, nor will they become so. Social groups both large and small will rise to protect humans from themselves and to sa*uard their precious resources. The post-human condition may allow for radically different types of social groups, but the operations of what the Star Fraction occasionally calls the tyrant-meme will always be there. I believe the Star Fraction mistakes a moment of freedom found among themselves to be something that can be expanded without limit to everyone. Such states of almost transcendent existance are by their nature transitory, subject to the laws of entropy and the vagaries of conflict. Once lost they require effort to attain again. Sentient minds only ever find such situations in relation to others, for existance-with is a higher order than existance-without. Therefore social groups inevitably cluster around manifestations of such realizations. It is in the nature of these bodies to begin fortifying their positions once such a condition is achieved, but often the act of fortification itself ultimately eliminates the very thing they have decided to sa*uard. While the elite inside these societies may manage to retain the nature of their existance, others are inevitably shunned and either become segregated from the main or are forced to seek elsewhere. This is the way of social groups both large and small. The fact that we are practically near-immortal allows us to continue looking even as one mode of existance closes, whereas humanity before us was restricted by temporal matters in their search and thus often bound to tragedy.
Steiner Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.10 10:43:00 - [93] Another reason to hate SF. Always wonder how deep the hole they digging for them self is going to be. I hope sooner rather then later the world will turn against you and your contradicting ways and finally get rid of you once and for all. Bury you so deep that not even history will remember you. ---
Sakura Nihil Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:17:00 - [94] Originally by: Steiner Another reason to hate SF. Always wonder how deep the hole they digging for them self is going to be. I hope sooner rather then later the world will turn against you and your contradicting ways and finally get rid of you once and for all. Bury you so deep that not even history will remember you. We love you too.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:32:00 - [95] Originally by: Steiner Another reason to hate SF. Always wonder how deep the hole they digging for them self is going to be. I hope sooner rather then later the world will turn against you and your contradicting ways and finally get rid of you once and for all. Bury you so deep that not even history will remember you. You can't kill an idea Steiner.
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 11:53:00 - [96] Edited by: Tecam Hund on 10/01/2007 11:51:56 Originally by: GoGo Yubari The resources available to us are not limitless, nor will they become so. Social groups both large and small will rise to protect humans from themselves and to sa*uard their precious resources. Space is limitless, and the universe is ever-expanding. As the number of spacefaring humans grows so will the number of known systems. Right now only a fraction of resources locked down and "sa*uarded" by 0.0 alliances are used. Which brings us to the point of their value and how one would try to protect the resources of higher value. Look at the current mineral market prices. Minerals like Zydrine and Megacyte are dropping increasingly lower while tritanium, pyerite and mexallon (wich are found in Empire space in surplus) nearly doubled in price. The reason I brought this up is, value of a resource is not only decided by amounts of it present in the universe, but also by its availability to the public. If the borders were opened the difference between 'owning' a field of bistot and mining widely spread veldspar would grow minimal considering logistical and security issues associated with 0.0 industry and mining. Obviosly tyrants will not give up their monopoly so easily, but that is why we exist.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:19:00 - [97] Originally by: Tecam Hund You can't kill an idea Steiner. Just the people, hm?
Steiner Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.10 12:58:00 - [98] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Tecam Hund You can't kill an idea Steiner. Just the people, hm? Well.. if you kill everyone that has this ridiculous idea the idea will die. Will have to end in a suicide I guess. ---
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:15:00 - [99] Originally by: Steiner Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Originally by: Tecam Hund You can't kill an idea Steiner. Just the people, hm? Well.. if you kill everyone that has this ridiculous idea the idea will die. Will have to end in a suicide I guess. Words from the peanut gallery don't really do much damage, except maybe to the brain.
Davlos Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 13:47:00 - [100] Originally by: Nekumi Words from the peanut gallery don't really do much damage, except maybe to the brain. I'm consistently seeing reactionary retorts from you in this entire forum instead of constructive counter-arguments, along with most of your colleagues. Is this a trend within the Fraction that we ought to be expecting? --------------- Davlos Cain 040
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:00:00 - [101] Originally by: Davlos Originally by: Nekumi Words from the peanut gallery don't really do much damage, except maybe to the brain. I'm consistently seeing reactionary retorts from you in this entire forum instead of constructive counter-arguments, along with most of your colleagues. Is this a trend within the Fraction that we ought to be expecting? Fine example of a constructive post there, Davlos. I post as I see fit. If you don't find what I say constructive, well what can I say, I don't care.
Rhizotoctonia	Posted - 2007.01.10 14:35:00 - [102] Edited by: Rhizotoctonia on 10/01/2007 14:32:38 Here's another chip in from the peanut gallery... I've been watching this drama develop with a mixture of cynicism and dismay. The two things that are clear to me are that (a) the Cyrene Initiative is not nearly the threat that Star Fraction makes them out to be, neither in promoting ideology or in terms of combat capabilities. This can be seen in their lack GalNet communications and war statistics. Observation (b) is related to the first one, the fact that Cyrene is a lot less powerful than previously made out - that is due in large part to the hype that certain Intaki Union pilots have been promoting. From the peanut gallery it looks very much like the Fraction pilots have been led up the garden path by pro-Intaki nationalists masquerading as freespacers. Intaki Union pilots are good fighters though û if you fancy a good scrap to clear the weeds in Placid and plough the ground for new visionaries to come to the front in Placid that do not kow-tow to the regressive memes of the Ida way; then perhaps you might like to consider lining them up in your sights.
Agustus Caesar Minmatar Convergent Firmus Ixion	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:09:00 - [103] Originally by: Tecam Hund You can't kill an idea Steiner. Maybe, but that doesn't seem to stop Star Fraction from trying though, does it? ----------------------------- Unless otherwise stated my opinions don't represent that of my corporation and/or alliance, but unless your retarded, that should go without saying
Tomahawk Bliss	Posted - 2007.01.10 15:51:00 - [104] Originally by: Rhizotoctonia Edited by: Rhizotoctonia on 10/01/2007 14:32:38 Here's another chip in from the peanut gallery... I've been watching this drama develop with a mixture of cynicism and dismay. The two things that are clear to me are that (a) the Cyrene Initiative is not nearly the threat that Star Fraction makes them out to be, neither in promoting ideology or in terms of combat capabilities. This can be seen in their lack GalNet communications and war statistics. Observation (b) is related to the first one, the fact that Cyrene is a lot less powerful than previously made out - that is due in large part to the hype that certain Intaki Union pilots have been promoting. From the peanut gallery it looks very much like the Fraction pilots have been led up the garden path by pro-Intaki nationalists masquerading as freespacers. Intaki Union pilots are good fighters though û if you fancy a good scrap to clear the weeds in Placid and plough the ground for new visionaries to come to the front in Placid that do not kow-tow to the regressive memes of the Ida way; then perhaps you might like to consider lining them up in your sights. I knew you were a clone jack of our enemies from the first time you tried to slander us you coward. Cyrene will die, if you would truly help them get in a ship and fight for them. this pathetic forum sniping is even weaker than Cyrene's obviosuly broken will. Gogo Yubari> You can't destroy your enemy with the power of thought alone like many forum-warriors seem to think.
Horatio Cain Caldari Rho Dynamics	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:16:00 - [105] Originally by: Nekumi If you don't find what I say constructive, well what can I say, I don't care. ...of course you do.
Able Citizen Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:31:00 - [106] Originally by: Nolin Riis Pirates roam freely, murdering civilians and capsuleers alike. Free-enterprising capsuleers. There are no civilians in space, my brother. Free-enterprising capsuleers who venture into the non-CONCORD protected realms must not be treated as subservient pets who need to be protected from bullies. They must themselves rise to meet the challenge to fend off those who would limit their ability to 'enterprise'.
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 18:50:00 - [107] Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 10/01/2007 18:50:07 Let me put it like this, once and for all: If we, only for the sake of argument, assume that the Intaki Union has attempted to manipulate the Fraction to get us set against their enemies. If this is true, it was pretty pointless because the fate of Cyrene was decided well before the last shots were fired in Mito. People may think that Star Fraction is fickle and commits to campaigns on the spin of a coin, but then they are just deluding themselves. We have our plans made well in advance. On other notes, like Kyoko's worry about those people not currently "eligible" for the posthumanist revolution through inability to integrate with a capsule, well... Two points: 1) Do you really expect that order to always remain so? Is there some law of the universe (as opposed to the laws and realities of the empires that govern said people) that specifies the relationship of human population and it's descendants? OR, is it a variable entirely dependant on what we do with our technologies, how well we develop them and their use, and how effectively we tear down the structures that oppose the future? However, this is a typical feeble straw-man defense of the reactionary against the post-humanist ideal - "It'll never happen because right now only... ... ..." Assuming that the fact of today will remain the fact of tomorrow is stupidity, and the first sign of a culture approaching the stagnation where it's development makes it's constitueties so complacent with what they have that further development becomes impossible. And when development is impossible, stagnation will be a fact. 2) Those who point at Star Fraction and say "not everyone can be like that for reason X" are not only lacking in imagination - they are even criminally so! The notion that our at best transhuman mode of existance in an environment of baseline humanity revelling in a status quo is the only way to achieve posthumanity is silly and woefully unimaginative. If you think the only way to the future is o be strapped up in an egg - explain to me: why? We exploit the possibilities on the road to posthuman existance offered by the capsule not because it would be the only possibility, but because it is the possibility offered to us, specifically. EDIT: Oh, and for the religious people out there - the so-called "afterlife" is not a post-human existance, it's a post-mortem existance. Join the revolution, babeh!
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:03:00 - [108] Originally by: Agustus Caesar Originally by: Tecam Hund You can't kill an idea Steiner. Maybe, but that doesn't seem to stop Star Fraction from trying though, does it? We do not kill ideas - we change minds, however ridiculous it might seem to some shortsighted people. Ideology of The Star Fraction is a natural evolution of human species. So, replying at the same time to Mr Steiner, if you want to kill everyone who carries our idea with them you would have to kill yourself as well. We all have a potential to evolve, the key is to free your mind.
Steiner Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:28:00 - [109] Originally by: Tecam Hund We do not kill ideas - we change minds, however ridiculous it might seem to some shortsighted people. Ideology of The Star Fraction is a natural evolution of human species. So, replying at the same time to Mr Steiner, if you want to kill everyone who carries our idea with them you would have to kill yourself as well. We all have a potential to evolve, the key is to free your mind. If the ideal is a natural evolution of the human species why are you intervening with it? It all takes time and there is nothing you can do about it so leave people to there own business and watch the evolution. So in this short sighted war you are killing people to change there minds? Sounds like ******* to virginity to me. ---
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:38:00 - [110] Originally by: Steiner Originally by: Tecam Hund We do not kill ideas - we change minds, however ridiculous it might seem to some shortsighted people. Ideology of The Star Fraction is a natural evolution of human species. So, replying at the same time to Mr Steiner, if you want to kill everyone who carries our idea with them you would have to kill yourself as well. We all have a potential to evolve, the key is to free your mind. If the ideal is a natural evolution of the human species why are you intervening with it? It all takes time and there is nothing you can do about it so leave people to there own business and watch the evolution. So in this short sighted war you are killing people to change there minds? Sounds like ******* to virginity to me. I look at it as speeding up the evolution. Showing that what we believe in is actually possible. As for leaving people to their own business. Aren't you a pirate and a mercenary? Killing for monetary gain in the name of whoever pays the most is your business, so you have no room to talk here. And yes, from my point of view, we fight our 'shortsighted' wars to change minds.
Steiner Veto.	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:59:00 - [111] Originally by: Tecam Hund I look at it as speeding up the evolution. Showing that what we believe in is actually possible. As for leaving people to their own business. Aren't you a pirate and a mercenary? Killing for monetary gain in the name of whoever pays the most is your business, so you have no room to talk here. And yes, from my point of view, we fight our 'shortsighted' wars to change minds. Speeding up evolution by killing people doesn't sound right, I think the people need to be alive to be able to evolve but I guess thats just my short sightedness? You are telling me that I have no place here while you are forcing your ideals on someone else, you are like the Amarrians driving a righteous crusade to subjugate everyone that stands in the way of your "ideal" under the cover that you are doing the world a favor. You are nothing better then a sick serial killer that carefully picks his victims and then escapes his own hanging by using fancy words to say that he was doing it in name of peace. I see a lot of resamplence with the old federation and Star Fraction. (No offense meant to the Amarrians.) And yes ISK is my believe but thats non of your business because I keep it to my self. ---
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 19:59:00 - [112] No, Tatsue. It's cynicism - for your motives as well as those of others. I don't believe humanity can get much better, and here's another reason why: I'm of the opinion that you are either oblivious to or ignore the very things that allow you to survive... I'm sorry, live eternally (outside of time itself, too?), as a capsuleer. You have quite an imagination, which is something I would normally respect, but you also don't have a foot in reality. What did you call people that weren't capsuleers yet? Was it "laggards"? Quite a condescending attitude. Reality is that there are thousands of people working to make your life better, and making sure you keep living. Break the supports by giving everyone some new transhuman existence and as it stands everything that props you up will fall over. But that's a problem because it is a necessary step on the way to posthumanism, right? You've hit a stumbling block and you've barely seen the light at the end of the posthumanism tunnel. Maybe the capsule isn't the future, but you have, at least in the past, certainly made it out to be the near future. I think your preception of accelerating technological progress only reflects the differences in how well individuals and societies remember recent advances as opposed to past ones. Was capsuleer and cloning technology more important than the invention of fire? Whose to say that this progress hasn't reached a sort of plateau? Save the Chimera, CCP!
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:07:00 - [113] Originally by: Steiner Speeding up evolution by killing people doesn't sound right, I think the people need to be alive to be able to evolve but I guess thats just my short sightedness? You are telling me that I have no place here while you are forcing your ideals on someone else, you are like the Amarrians driving a righteous crusade to subjugate everyone that stands in the way of your "ideal" under the cover that you are doing the world a favor. You are nothing better then a sick serial killer that carefully picks his victims and then escapes his own hanging by using fancy words to say that he was doing it in name of peace. I see a lot of resamplence with the old federation and Star Fraction. (No offense meant to the Amarrians.) And yes ISK is my believe but thats non of your business because I keep it to my self. This is an evolution of mind we are talking about. Not just of a single person, but of humanity (transhumanity, posthumanity whichever you like better). A few deaths on the way to the goal is the price we are willing to pay. Besides, the real focus is on capsuleers, who of course don't die in the process. I merely told you that you have no place to judge us for interfereing with other people's busines due to the nature of your own profession. We also do not force our views on others. We present them with an argument - the war. What happens next is up to them.
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:10:00 - [114] Edited by: Jasmine Constantine on 10/01/2007 20:08:12 Originally by: Steiner You are nothing better then a sick serial killer that carefully picks his victims and then escapes his own hanging by using fancy words to say that he was doing it in name of peace. I see a lot of resamplence with the old federation and Star Fraction. So we've got to the point of the discussion where the bloody-handed piratico-merc corp operative calls us sick serial killers because we kill for an ideology rather than simple sociopathic tendencies or pure isk have we? The truth is Steiner: we scare you to death. And you hate what you fear. All other words and arguments you contrive are pointless camoflage. We've seen your soul and its quaking in its boots at the mere suggestion that you and your ilk are no longer at the top of the food chain in the current environment. No bully likes to see the playground majority growing up (and arming itself with warships and tech2 weaponry). But you are going to have to find a way to live with it. Star Fraction is recruiting
Jasmine Constantine Gallente Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.10 20:18:00 - [115] Originally by: Kyoko Sakoda No, Tatsue. It's cynicism - for your motives as well as those of others. I don't believe humanity can get much better, and here's another reason why: The discussion is moot. You fear the future and rationalise reasons why it will never come to change the status quo you cling to. You hate your current existence and you loathe yourself - hence its natural for you to hate the technology that made you what you are and would otherwise promise new avenues for you to embrace and explore. Take a look in the mirror Kyoko Sakoda - its not posthumanity you should be hating its your own choice to become a souless butcher without cause or ideology. You are no different from any other money-soldier turned bandit facing a crisis of conscience and turning to cynical self-loathing as a salve for your self pity at this point. Face up to your own shortcomings internally before projecting the bitterness of your heart onto the wider world and the futures we dare to dream. Star Fraction is recruiting
Kyoko Sakoda Caldari Omerta Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.10 23:39:00 - [116] Yeah, there are times I've questioned my becoming a PC pilot. The world we encounter in space is vastly different than the world we experience planetside. Nostalgia is what it is. But it's silly that you mention I must hate myself. I don't know how that could be possible especially when I'm in love with your own Nemesor right now. What I have is a bit of a trust issue. I don't put enough faith in humanity to entrust the lot of it with realizing your dream. This is about looking to the future without being blind to the past. By the way, I do have a cause. It is however, culture-specific, and I'm taking baby steps with it, rather than knocking people over the head with a blunt object, hoping they will understand me afterwards. Save the Chimera, CCP!
Lucius Lefebvre Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:16:00 - [117] I have an itch that won't go away. Initially, my adjutant thought I might need a change of pod fluid until I explained that it was more of a metaphorical itch. It worsens each time Galnet flicks over these broadcasts from Placid; each time I suspect that the Star Fraction has perhaps jumped through one conceptual gate too many. I worry that it's some reactionary corner of my subconscious quietly polluting my rationale; that's why I find some of their more condescending comments so hurtful, I think. They mean all of us - I, too, must harbour regressive memes, even though I want the same thing, don't I? How did I get left behind, I wonder? What freespace epiphany visited them and not I? When did I fail to forego that hidebound kinship with humanity - even the mewling, baseline underclass? I think back to my first encounters with JF theorizing. I was entranced by their ideas, by their seeming purity and easy geometry. Now the shapes seem less distinct, edges overlapping, become less coherent. Do they still spring from the same source? But it's just an itch, ill-defined. When JF fought tyranny on the frontiers, they did so in a context of capsules, crew and vacuum. They looked noble and sounded more so. They fought enclosurism where the only things enclosed were space, stones and a few precious station wallahs and the lines were clear. Now, they return to Empire and a vastly different milieu; the rocks and the space between are the same, but the rocks are teeming with life - the so called baseline majority. These infants are to be handed the future on a plate of morphite at the cost of only a few million crewmembers. They'll witness the nobility and sheer Tlan of the revolution orbiting their worlds and shrug off their Federal shackles to embrace a post-political nirvana. Similarly, they'll shrug off the apparently overwhelming force of countless capsular privateers, each looking to carve a fiefdom with atomics in the ensuing tumult because (r)evolution will out (or is that (r)eugenics and - scarily - is that why Amarr have so far escaped revolutionary wrath?). Any perceived inability to resist such incursions will be overmatched by their grasp of destiny as willed to them by a handful of (only marginally better equipped) visionaries. Certainly, a few billions may perish, but to build a better future one must break a few planets. It is the price we are willing to pay, after all. Of course, anyone suspecting insincerity in the above is surely in the clutches of a regressive, popular-totalitarian meme. I ask myself, Is it true? Are you? I find myself worrying that some Fractionites have taken to shouting down advocates of statism, rather than demonstrating how anarchy will better benefit the masses. A picture is painted of alternate paths to posthumanity, but the paths themselves remain ill-drawn. A society of self-interested individuals may function, where it remains in the interests of each to neither aggress nor be aggressed, but can such rules apply where mortals and gods inhabit the same plane? The Star Fraction, of course, remains a collective of sorts. Whilst not desirable, it must do so out of expediency. Similarly, the Federation, that bloated, illusively-democratic collective of trillions is expedient - and not just for those who would maintain the lie of democracy, but also for those who would see the frangible baseliner fed until she, too, is able to attain the heights. Though the potential for a belligerent Federal polity is well illustrated by history - even as Star Fraction insists on looking to the future - the multitude of Gallente pilots flying beyond Federal auspices demonstrates how such lessons cannot be universally applied. Whilst critical thought may not be actively encouraged by Gallente spectacle, it isn't exactly outlawed either. [cont...]
Lucius Lefebvre Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 01:18:00 - [118] [cont... ] By contrast, I wince at the Fractionite who, faced with criticism, repudiates the critic as unworthy, or else flashes her hardware. Where is the rigour in that, when one has a platform to refute argument with elegance? And that thing about a gate too many? Well, this isn't it (that's the real itch), but when I see Caldari and Amarr (too readily dismissed as imperialist proxies) sniping against the aggressor in tacit support of a Gallente paramilitary corporation, I fear that, though Star Fraction may win this war of men and materiel, this particular battle of ideas cannot be won. I fear that it will prove counterproductive, likely to produce at best a sullen, dutiful surrender - one merely phrased in the requisite forms rather than a thing of substance. The argument becomes less persuasive when bombast replaces finesse and a grudging defeat is no acceptance and, personally, I remain unconvinced by truisms regarding publicity.
Devilish Ledoux Caldari eXin Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.11 02:43:00 - [119] You make a very valid point. It may not be enough to simply show how the Old Ways are bad, or to insist that those who hold to the Old Ways will either bend or be broken. Perhaps it is better to instead focus on how pursuing New Way would be better. Of course, a fair bit of breaking is inevitable and not entirely undesirable. If the weakness of the Old Ways aren't exposed, then the New Way will have no fertile soil in which to prosper. _ Do Unto Others.
icewind4 Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 10:49:00 - [120] I think after some very exhaustive use of my library card I see valid arguments on both sides of the fence. The simple truth is that in this day and age the only way to promote your ideas with any credibility is by having bigger guns than the other politician. In the grand scheme of things this war isnÆt hugely significant for anyone other than CYI, IU and SF - I would much rather hear of CYIÆs views and resolve to defend their position than more circular arguments unless you have something to say that hasnÆt been said on numerous occasions.
Maze La'Zie Caldari Technology La'Zie	Posted - 2007.01.11 12:53:00 - [121] This series of events reminded me of a joke I once overheard in-station. Q. How many Freecaptains does it take to change a lightbulb? A. It doesn't get changed. They all left to look for another one to smash. I feel slightly depressed. ________________________ Chief Scientific Officer Technology La'Zie
Ryoji Tanakama Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.11 13:25:00 - [122] Originally by: Maze La'Zie This series of events reminded me of a joke I once overheard in-station. Q. How many Freecaptains does it take to change a lightbulb? A. It doesn't get changed. They all left to look for another one to smash. I feel slightly depressed. This works for me. I like it a lot. Star Fraction would in fact promote that each freecaptain carry his own lantern, and have no need for the bulb provided to keep the masses sedentary. ~ Ryoji Tanakama
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.11 18:49:00 - [123] Edited by: Tatsue Nuko on 11/01/2007 18:45:52 Lucius, displaying the benefits of some aspects of the Free Captain ethos is something we continually do. Every time we stare the imperialist in the eye and make our living in "their" space. Every time a would-be landlord's claim is successfully answered with the destruction of his ship and present incarnation. Every time things like this happen, we display that the dream of territory and empire are false dreams, for their one great aspiration in security is impossible for them to achieve. As for the current campaign, it is quite simple in it's rationale. The ideas mirrored by nullsec tyrants, brigands and murderers (like those decrying our supposed lack of humanity or whatnot) originally came from somewhere. This somewhere is the empires, the planetbound societies. The infection is one that tries to perpetuate itself by transmitting ideas originally made for the limited environment of often hostile planets with very limited resources into anew environ of unlimited resources and, therefore, unlimited possibility. It follows, therefore, that any such "contagion vector" must be nullified before a successful long-term campaign can be realized in the outer reaches of the frontier. In plain language: those individuals and organizations that serve as transmission grounds of such ideas must be destroyed - foremost amongst them (but not limited to) those capsuleers, those transhumanists, that cling to and spread those aged and obsolete ideas. Once the movements that we know as "capsuleer militias" has been destroyed, the real work on the frontiers can begin. And yes, by "destroyed" I do mean that in it's very literate sense. The contagion vector must be eliminated, hopefully through a good amount of persuation, but if total destruction of such enemies of humanity proves necessary then that is what we must dedicate ourselves to. Doing something half-assed never works to anyone's benefit. The job will not be done in a long time, and while we are searching for ways of making it easier and quicker, we certainly cannot allow ourselves to shirk from any aspect or expense, material or human, until the job is done. Certainly, time is on our side. Join the revolution, babeh!
Lucius Lefebvre Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 22:41:00 - [124] Mme. Nuko Your response is as generous as it is eloquent and, yet, unrelenting. You give me a tough nut to ***** and my aim is so often proved awry, as it is now. I cannot fault your reasoning, but the cost? It's apparent that the greater good of (post)humanity derives from the passing of outmoded thought - so much blood is already, daily, spilled in the names of false idols. But I quale at the idea of these shortcuts. You take the shortest route to your ideal - even to outflank history's measured tread - and in so doing demonstrate a resolve I cannot even come close to. I tell myself that I value human life, even while the blood of thousands is on my hands - and for what? I might console myself that they each made a choice which brought them before my guns, but what sort of choice is it to scratch around in a starship's bowels? It's a matter of degree which, in the end, means nothing. I looked into the steely gaze of Star Fraction and was found wanting. It sickens me, but I cannot judge your war. If such a lack brings me before your guns then so be it. I guess I'm feeling emotional. Damn Matari ale.
Kaleigh Doyle Bloodveil The Sani Sabik	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:03:00 - [125] Apparently the outlaw tyrants weren't completely void of merit as bloodthirsty warmongering appears to be the fashion of our era. Take that, memetic regression!
Auele	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:47:00 - [126] Enough of this! Where is my war diary?????
Lucius Lefebvre Gallente	Posted - 2007.01.11 23:56:00 - [127] Originally by: Kaleigh Doyle Apparently the outlaw tyrants weren't completely void of merit as bloodthirsty warmongering appears to be the fashion of our era. Take that, memetic regression! Did I just make the mistake of getting worked up over this seasons look?!! I need to find me some more fashionable clubs.
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.12 00:53:00 - [128] Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Steiner Another reason to hate SF. Always wonder how deep the hole they digging for them self is going to be. I hope sooner rather then later the world will turn against you and your contradicting ways and finally get rid of you once and for all. Bury you so deep that not even history will remember you. You can't kill an idea Steiner. But isn't that what you are trying to do? Killing the idea that empires are good? ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:25:00 - [129] Originally by: Hoshi Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Steiner Another reason to hate SF. Always wonder how deep the hole they digging for them self is going to be. I hope sooner rather then later the world will turn against you and your contradicting ways and finally get rid of you once and for all. Bury you so deep that not even history will remember you. You can't kill an idea Steiner. But isn't that what you are trying to do? Killing the idea that empires are good? Read the whole thread please... Tecam Hund sighs Sometimes I think that autocannons talking have a much better effect.
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:27:00 - [130] Originally by: Auele Enough of this! Where is my war diary????? It's coming, it's coming. Join the revolution, babeh!
Tatsue Nuko Tabula Rasa Systems The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.12 02:34:00 - [131] Originally by: Lucius Lefebvre It sickens me, but I cannot judge your war. If such a lack brings me before your guns then so be it. I guess I'm feeling emotional. Damn Matari ale. Awh, you should try some Matigu Brandies sometime. They are truly the best. But fear not, your inquisitive mind and taste for approaching the conundrum of our futures with intellect tells me that you are unlikely to fall before our weapons. And if circumstance should still so conspire, have heart and know that it is nothing personal, and no-one is forever doomed. The amount of ex-pirates, ex-nullsec imperialists as well as ex-state loyalists (such as myself) that we have in our ranks shows that none of these tainted ideas sit lodged too heavily to be pried loose. Just requires a variable amount of reincarnations, sometimes. Join the revolution, babeh!
Hoshi Blackguard Brigade	Posted - 2007.01.12 12:39:00 - [132] Edited by: Hoshi on 12/01/2007 12:36:26 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Hoshi But isn't that what you are trying to do? Killing the idea that empires are good? Read the whole thread please... Tecam Hund sighs Sometimes I think that autocannons talking have a much better effect. I did and as usually you avoided answering it and every other question that could put a ***** in the validness of your ideology. But I digress, not like I expected anything else... ---------------------------------------- A Guide to Scan Probing in Revelations
The Cosmopolite Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:20:00 - [133] Originally by: Hoshi Edited by: Hoshi on 12/01/2007 12:36:26 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Hoshi But isn't that what you are trying to do? Killing the idea that empires are good? Read the whole thread please... I did and as usually you avoided answering it and every other question that could put a *** in the validness of your ideology. But I digress, not like I expected anything else... Read the whole thread, eh? Originally by:** Tecam Hund We do not kill ideas - we change minds, however ridiculous it might seem to some shortsighted people. My comrade answered earlier and the answer doesn't change. To elaborate, we seek to demonstrate that ideas such as 'empire' and 'nation' have had their time. They will never die and cannot be killed; they are part of the history of human thought and must always be vigilantly guarded against even if we succeed in banishing them for a time. The Cosmopolite The Star Fraction Recruitment
Tecam Hund Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.12 13:24:00 - [134] Originally by: Hoshi Edited by: Hoshi on 12/01/2007 12:36:26 Originally by: Tecam Hund Originally by: Hoshi But isn't that what you are trying to do? Killing the idea that empires are good? Read the whole thread please... Tecam Hund sighs Sometimes I think that autocannons talking have a much better effect. I did and as usually you avoided answering it and every other question that could put a ***** in the validness of your ideology. But I digress, not like I expected anything else... I answered the same exact question directly. What kind of question is this? "Killing the idea that empires are good?" We certainly do not kill the idea "that empires are good" by killing every living person who might consider so. Spectrum of the Star Fraction is much wider, and we show the way by setting the example. Finally there is no good or bad, and one can never operate in such absolutes.

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