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Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:53:00 - [121] Originally by: maarud I'd like to know why this hacker isn't in jail yet, sounds like he's been breaking a few laws? My guess is that since Anthony Zboralski resides in indonesia any law enforcement agency will be hard pressed to prosecute such small infractions in economic sense.
La Tortura Infinite Style Incorporated Chorus of Dawn	Posted - 2007.01.31 08:57:00 - [122] Originally by: Why'dyou HitMe Originally by: La Tortura I would say EVE managers should take these issues _very_ serious. Othervise soon all positive replies about EVE on all gaming forums of the world will end up with "unfortunatelly there are a lot of proven cases of corruption and favouritism amongst CCP staff lately". That would be quite bad PR. How many does that make now? Lets see, there was the GM, then an EVE TV guy, now is it one or two this time. So is that 3 or 4 so far... blah... I cant keep up, just change the rules again and be done with it. Nobody caress "how many", or even whether these cases were serious violations or not. For mass public just one half-proven case is enough to make conclusions. For games these events are amongst the worst PR of possible, and it is impossible to cover them up, as there will be the more and more posts on independent gaming forums, and each locked or erased post would be taken as another evidence. -- ignorance is bliss
Why'dyou HitMe Minmatar The Reckoning	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:05:00 - [123] Originally by: La Tortura Originally by: Why'dyou HitMe Originally by: La Tortura I would say EVE managers should take these issues _very_ serious. Othervise soon all positive replies about EVE on all gaming forums of the world will end up with "unfortunatelly there are a lot of proven cases of corruption and favouritism amongst CCP staff lately". That would be quite bad PR. How many does that make now? Lets see, there was the GM, then an EVE TV guy, now is it one or two this time. So is that 3 or 4 so far... blah... I cant keep up, just change the rules again and be done with it. Nobody caress "how many", or even whether these cases were serious violations or not. For mass public just one half-proven case is enough to make conclusions. For games these events are amongst the worst PR of possible, and it is impossible to cover them up, as there will be the more and more posts on independent gaming forums, and each locked or erased post would be taken as another evidence. Yeah I know, Ive already seen it spamed on other gaming sites right after the first few post were deleted here. Some even said they were sending letters to the CEO of CCP, people take their games VERY seriously it seems, especially when they pay to play.

Veritech	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:08:00 - [124] Ahhh this discussion again. People saying devs shouldn't play the game should consider the following: - A lot of CCP's employees are, like me, just players with a passion for the game that "rolled in" through ISD or referral. - People will accuse devs of abuse regardless of what they do, just like people will find things to complain about things no matter how much effort is made to please them. It's human nature. Sure, I would agree that the only way for devs not to get accused is for them to not play the game. However, should people that managed made their passion their work, give up that passion? For me it is a resounding "no". I love my player character, I spent 4 years of my life living it and still enjoy it as much as I did on day one. Giving it up would take away the fire that brought and keeps me here. Also, often I hear people complaining about bugs and go like "WTF? What the <expletive> were they thinking? Do they even PLAY* this game?"* So what do you want? Make up your mind! By all means, if you suspect a CCP employee breaking the rules, petition it just as you would another player. As kieron said, the resolution in abuse cases ranges from harsh to severe. Simply outing devs publicly and pointing the finger is the wrong way and frowned upon, not to mention pretty spiteful should said accusations be false, as you'll have ruined that person's ability to play the character as a player.

MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:09:00 - [125] Firstly.. I have no issues with Devs and co. playing the game, its a great game, they have a part in how it runs.. so why not? However what is disturbing is that a dev has felt the need to cheat for the alliance he was in to see them progress in game. So it would be interesting to know, if it was happened more than once? Would this of continued to happen if it wasn't brought to the attention of others? Also it would be nice to know what CCP are going to do about it, once they've dealt with the issue. The Image hoster removed my siggy.. it'll be back on the weekend!! My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:14:00 - [126] Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Firstly.. I have no issues with Devs and co. playing the game, its a great game, they have a part in how it runs.. so why not? However what is disturbing is that a dev has felt the need to cheat for the alliance he was in to see them progress in game. So it would be interesting to know, if it was happened more than once? Would this of continued to happen if it wasn't brought to the attention of others? Also it would be nice to know what CCP are going to do about it, once they've dealt with the issue. Where does it say a dev cheated? This is how a witch-hunt starts, it's stupid.
MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:17:00 - [127] Originally by: kieron CCP is aware there are members of the community concerned over allegations of Dev misconduct coming from a third party message board and those community members are intent upon getting 'their story out to the people'. CCP has investigated, and will continue to investigate allegations of misconduct and take actions accordingly. This instance is no different from past investigations that have resulted in actions ranging from permanent game bans to termination of employment. Originally by: Sinlare Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Firstly.. I have no issues with Devs and co. playing the game, its a great game, they have a part in how it runs.. so why not? However what is disturbing is that a dev has felt the need to cheat for the alliance he was in to see them progress in game. So it would be interesting to know, if it was happened more than once? Would this of continued to happen if it wasn't brought to the attention of others? Also it would be nice to know what CCP are going to do about it, once they've dealt with the issue. Where does it say a dev cheated? This is how a witch-hunt starts, it's stupid. From the 1st page funnily enough The Image hoster removed my siggy.. it'll be back on the weekend!! My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
krystal eyes	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:19:00 - [128] Originally by: Sinlare So are the goonswarm members getting banned for the spam? or is it policy for CCP to not ban people that accuse them? The goonswarm members who broke the rules of the forum have lost their posting rights. The ones who didn't break any rules haven't lost their posting rights. This is considered fair and well.
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:21:00 - [129] Edited by: Sinlare on 31/01/2007 09:18:01 Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Originally by: kieron CCP is aware there are members of the community concerned over allegations of Dev misconduct coming from a third party message board and those community members are intent upon getting 'their story out to the people'. CCP has investigated, and will continue to investigate allegations of misconduct and take actions accordingly. This instance is no different from past investigations that have resulted in actions ranging from permanent game bans to termination of employment. From the 1st page funnily enough "members of the community concerned over allegations of Dev misconduct" If you read that as 'a dev cheated' then you're lost already. Originally by: krystal eyes The goonswarm members who broke the rules of the forum have lost their posting rights. The ones who didn't break any rules haven't lost their posting rights. This is considered fair and well. Agreed, that's fair :)
Jun Suzuki	Posted - 2007.01.31 09:58:00 - [130] Originally by: Sinlare Edited by: Sinlare on 31/01/2007 09:18:01 Originally by: MrTriggerHappy Originally by: kieron CCP is aware there are members of the community concerned over allegations of Dev misconduct coming from a third party message board and those community members are intent upon getting 'their story out to the people'. CCP has investigated, and will continue to investigate allegations of misconduct and take actions accordingly. This instance is no different from past investigations that have resulted in actions ranging from permanent game bans to termination of employment. From the 1st page funnily enough "members of the community concerned over allegations of Dev misconduct" If you read that as 'a dev cheated' then you're lost already. Originally by: krystal eyes The goonswarm members who broke the rules of the forum have lost their posting rights. The ones who didn't break any rules haven't lost their posting rights. This is considered fair and well. Agreed, that's fair :) 3rd page, post by Kieron, towards the bottom. He was mistaken in saying it was on the first page: Quote: True, over the summer of '06 a GM was terminated for spawning items for himself on TQ, we investigated the incident and posted a news item about what had transpired. What happened then will also happen now, an investigation will take place and proper action will be taken. Not a dev but a GM, which are held in the same confidence as a developer, essentially, as they have manipulative powers over the game environment.

MrTriggerHappy Caldari Interstellar eXodus R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:04:00 - [131] He didnt correct himself.. he quoted about an incident with a GM in summer 2006.. this incident is with a dev this time. However I do stand corrected that cheating was probably not the correct term to use, although depending on the allegations it could still be appropriate. Also I did state.. I generally have no issues with devs and GMs playing the game The Image hoster removed my siggy.. it'll be back on the weekend!! My Comments in no way reflect my corp or alliance
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:16:00 - [132] Originally by: MrTriggerHappy He didnt correct himself.. he quoted about an incident with a GM in summer 2006.. this incident is with a dev this time. However I do stand corrected that cheating was probably not the correct term to use, although depending on the allegations it could still be appropriate. Also I did state.. I generally have no issues with devs and GMs playing the game I still don't understand your post, but i take it you didnt mean it too bad :P so i apologize.
ceaon Gallente Porandor	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:18:00 - [133] after all this crap will CCP check all BoB ship lose petition + @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@ @@@@@@@@@
Fubear Vogon Heavy Industries	Posted - 2007.01.31 10:19:00 - [134] Originally by: krystal eyes Originally by: Sinlare So are the goonswarm members getting banned for the spam? or is it policy for CCP to not ban people that accuse them? The goonswarm members who broke the rules of the forum have lost their posting rights. The ones who didn't break any rules haven't lost their posting rights. This is considered fair and well. Which rules were broken anyway? The rules of this forum specifically allow third party links and chatlogs to be posted as long as there is discussion to be made with it... considering the amount of discussion it has generated I think that this meets that criteria. Honestly, this spying business leaves a nasty stink. I would like to see ANY third party links and quotes from sources that are not publicly accessible outlawed, not just the ones that make BoB look bad. Whats next? Are we going to see Forum/Teamspeak servers hacked offline at critical times? Perhaps a DDoS against a Titan pilot to force them offline while agressed? Hacked accounts being used to offline towers? A line needs to be drawn, and it needs to be drawn a lot further away from what is illegal and immoral than what a lot of people seem to think is currently acceptable.
Adam C 0utbreak	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:34:00 - [135] goodluck ccp! the community deserve nothing short of swift resolve
Big Al Caldari Macrominer Waste Management	Posted - 2007.01.31 11:38:00 - [136] snip Be nice. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Kahlil Dass Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:00:00 - [137] Originally by: kieron This instance is no different from past investigations that have resulted in actions ranging from permanent game bans to termination of employment. Given that the allegations at the moment may pertain directly to the demise of several alliances over many years I hope that your investigation is conducted with some degree of transparency, that your findings are made public, and that an appropriate measure of restitution is made to those who were cheated out of their in-game experience. Originally by: kieron Continuing to post information from third party sites, spamming the forums, breaking the forum rules, etc. will not speed along the investigative process. See above. Do the right thing and you have our trust. Stifle discussion or appear to do nothing, you won't, and we will respond accordingly.
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:00:00 - [138] snip Inappropriate content removed. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])
Thews Mortaza Minmatar Republic Military School	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:18:00 - [139] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Conuion Meow ([email protected]) (Sig) Your momma so fat ... when I tried to scoop her to my cargo hold, she don't fit !
Littlest Hobo Aliastra	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:19:00 - [140] snip Posting with an unidentified character and characters in NPC corporations in this forum is prohibited. If you wish to participate in the discussions here, be sure to have your corporation and or alliance status ticked in your forum settings. -Conuion Meow ([email protected])


Conuion Meow Forum Moderator Interstellar Services Department	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:24:00 - [141] Please keep the discussion related to the investigation at hand. As kieron said, posting information from third party sites and sources will not help this process along. Thank you. Forum Rules \| E-Mail us! (Report a bad post) \| Sexeh CRC Website! aka Onion -Eldo

Sir MilBanacky Stronghold corp Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:30:00 - [142] Edited by: Sir MilBanacky on 31/01/2007 12:27:49 Originally by: Conuion Meow Please keep the discussion related to the investigation at hand. As kieron said, posting information from third party sites and sources will not help this process along. Thank you. I for one hope it will be a HONEST Investigation. Suppressing posts is not really going to help CCP look like a Sterling Entity I feel it makes it look like they are hiding something or trying very hard to make it go away. Alot of people have been here over three years and played withing the rules, And paid their Fee's also like loyal customers, So we expect to be treated fairly for our Loyalty. I hope it wasnt all in vain.
Sentinel Eeex Caldari Gekidoku Koroshiya Buntai	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:37:00 - [143] I am so happy all the ASCN 'dirty laundry' was always available on eve-o forums, even after complaints, yet stuff about "you-know-who" is gone from forums in matter of minutes. CCP, maybe you should try to hire people with some integrity, next time?
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:47:00 - [144] People are idiots. 1) Do you seriously expect the devs to not play the game they are making? Do you expect id or epic to not play quake or unreal? Do you expect blizzard to not play WoW? Are you idiots? 2) Even if a dev plays a game, i trust them that they don't create advantages for themselves. It's that simple. 3) Why the hell are people defending "proof" that's provided by a hacker that is just trying to annoy people? I ask again, are you all idiots? 4) Why the hell is it that BoB gets all this ** over them? I'll tell you why. People are jealous, and sore losers. They make up excuses for losing. They don't want to hear that it's their own bloody fault. People want an excuse of why they aren't as good as BoB, and they don't want to hear that they're simply not that good. I'll just answer the question i asked 2 times before: They are idiots. They want to ruin the game for everyone just because they can't take it that they lost to people who were simply better than them. In the WCG, people shake hands after a match. In EVE, they start accusing each other of cheating. How is this not a f**d up situation? It's just hilarious to see people who know absolutely nothing about anything relating to this coming in and speaking like they know everything. Again, they are idiots, and i really hope they don't start attacking me for saying this, but realizing what the hell they're doing and start to stop behaving like this. What the hell am i typing this, for, people will either ignore this post or just flame me for being BoB. Yeah, they're idiots. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Noveron Caldari Celestial Horizon Corp.	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:51:00 - [145] Originally by: kieron CCP is aware there are members of the community concerned over allegations of Dev misconduct coming from a third party message board and those community members are intent upon getting 'their story out to the people'. CCP has investigated, and will continue to investigate allegations of misconduct and take actions accordingly. This instance is no different from past investigations that have resulted in actions ranging from permanent game bans to termination of employment. Continuing to post information from third party sites, spamming the forums, breaking the forum rules, etc. will not speed along the investigative process. Post discussion in this thread and please follow the forum rules. Do you play EVE in any alliance Kieron? ---
MetalZero Minmatar Thundercats RAZOR Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:51:00 - [146] someone didn't take ..... medicine today ___________ ThunderCats
Gutsani The Priory Shroud Of Darkness	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:53:00 - [147] A question to Kieron, What are you gonna do to the pilots that knew about this situation, ea that the people involved were gms/devs handing out isk/personal advantages to them? Sounds unfair to me that you will not punish this kind of behavior since its not only the gms/devs that did this, even though they should know better. The pilots knew where it came from, they could have said no! And if i read that message board, i think there should be enough prove to state that the pilots knew about it, and (disab)used their position at CCP. Furthermore, what are you gonna do with the T2 prints that got aquired this way? ------------------------ Stop reading my siggy!
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:55:00 - [148] Originally by: Reiisha 1) Do you seriously expect the devs to not play the game they are making? Do you expect id or epic to not play quake or unreal? Do you expect blizzard to not play WoW? Are you idiots? Actually, as far as I'm aware, the restrictions and penalties that Blizzard has on employees who play the game are far, far more stringent than the ones on CCP employees. Quote: It's just hilarious to see people who know absolutely nothing about anything relating to this coming in and speaking like they know everything. Again, they are idiots, and i really hope they don't start attacking me for saying this, but realizing what the hell they're doing and start to stop behaving like this. What the hell am i typing this, for, people will either ignore this post or just flame me for being BoB. Yeah, they're idiots. Of course, it could have nothing to do with the fact that most of your post is a rambling preemptive troll to be begin with. Sorry, I just don't believe categorical denials by BoB members. Let's have CCP perform an open investigation and see what's really going on.
Virida Mindstar Technology United Confederation of Corporations	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:58:00 - [149] Ive seen this happen before, actually, exept, then, i was in the gameclan getting hit, in a different mmo. I suspect the one doing such act, is not a "merc", rather want to have "fun" making ppl get angry at each other, and obliterating bad and old Vbullentin versions is the simple thing to do. And if a hacker can manage to manipulate ppl into getting angry, they just deceived the players, who should have been grown players having fun, into trowing dirt. Please act nice, please? And, this topic is age old, really. The topic of hacking guilds is immortalized in internet comics, even: http://www.thenoobcomic.com/daily/strip067.html
Dracorimus Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 12:58:00 - [150] I gave up trying to reason with people on this forum long ago.... -



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