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Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:54:00 - [391] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Eponine Astarte Dianbolic: how did you know that the person who petitionned the capital ship director was an alt? Did you actually know that he was an alt, or did you say alt as a stand-in for anonymous? Alternativey are you denying that any of those PM's are real and that you saying such never happened? I meant "Alt" as a term for anonymous, yes. Some of the stuff he has is indeed true, our forums certainly did get hacked. Is it ALL true? Absolutely not. There is ALOT of sensationalism in these posts, mis-truths, half-truths, completely rubbish and all peppered with maybe enough truth to make it believable. Everyone can see that, it's great drama... which is the point, no? Personally i dont give a rats ass about the drama,the forum bob warriors are doing the drama. I has a player really want CCP to come out and say wtf happened,that is all.Because i love the game and the DEVS and i would hate to leave it and find another game.
Eversmiling Hodja Sniggerdly Pandemic Legion	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:54:00 - [392] Originally by: DB Preacher Originally by: The Mittani Originally by: DB Preacher I can't be assed chatting with you tbh because let's be honest, you aren't exactly opening lines of communication here. So you can shuffle off back to your own forums now and believe what you want. Cheers, dbp Back to your old self, I see? And here I thought asking Evil Thug to contact Dian, Blacklight, and you (since I was blocked) counted as a good faith attempt at communication. Perhaps ET doesn't carry enough weight with you lot to be taken seriously? A pity that you've decided to take an open attempt to talk as another chance to spew your :eveo: drivel, since I'm the only one in this game who's suffered a similar level of hacking at Mr. Zboralski's hands... or perhaps I should pin the blame on Lallante for that, since Lall hired him. Here's a protip then: Try to choose your arguments more carefully. You can say that you were hacked, that crimes were committed, and that Mr. Zboralski is a ****... or you can argue that what he's saying is a smear campaign, a lie, and a witch hunt. You can't argue both, as you and your boys are doing, as they're mutually exclusive. Pick one. Whatever dude. I said you could come and contact me directly and I would have happily passed on what we had because this guy needs to be out of eve now regardless of our disagreements in the past between any of the alliances in eve. However, you had to come on and be an ass about it in some vain effort to make yourself look like good. Grats, I couldn't careless. However, like I said, I apologise to Rycar for using his name in this. dbp DB Preacher's mind slid away into the labyrinthine world of doublethink. To know and not to know, to be conscious of complete truthfulness while telling carefully-constructed lies, to hold simultaneously two opinions which cancelled out, knowing them to be contradictory and believing in both of them; to use logic against logic, to repudiate morality while laying claim to it, to believe that fairplay was impossible and that the BoB was the guardian of fairplay; to forget whatever it was necessary to forget, then to draw it back at the moment when it was needed, and then promptly to forget it again: and above all, to apply the same process to the process itself. That was the ultimate subtlety: consciously to induce unconsciousness, and then, once again, to become unconscious of the art of hypnosis you had just performed. Even to understand the word 'doublethink' involved using doublethink...
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:55:00 - [393] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Galimiy Portret So, you had a means of closely working and communicating with a dev about game mechanics that weren't publicly available at the time. Could you please explain means of communication with said dev and how you gained such trust with a dev as to be able to discuss undisclosed game mechanics? Yep, we have an amazing method of communication that is beyond the normal eve players subscription. It's this thing called "eeeeee-maaaaaail". And, are you being purposely obtuse? "How to better parse a killmail"? "Where to get icons"? You DO know what constitutes a game "mechanic", disclosed or otherwise, yes? Could you please publish the complete e-mail conversation in subject? ...now in RED
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:55:00 - [394] Originally by: j0sephine "Insider intel - more than enough, to give benefits to your alliance to win. Call to your friend in real life : "Hey, you know. I had a smoke with DevX. He is going to make basic miner laser uber weapon. All BPOs will disappear from market, and basic miner laser will become tachyon tech V"" When was last time this kind of change happened, vs introduction of entirely new modules? Or when was a ship module changed to significant degree without landing on the test server first for people to check it out and ***** about changes in the 'ships and modules'? Seriously, as far as stupid theoretical examples of what "could" happen go, this one probably takes the cake. Yes, devs are utter morons who turn basic modules into uber weapons without notifying player base they are actually going to introduce new mechanics, and without allowing them to test these first. Please --;; Taht would probably be the Cargo Expander I BPOs being upgraded to Cargo Expander II BPO's, which was what, 2 months ago? Less? If I'd had a tip off about that a week or two in advance, I'd be a rich man about now. -----------------------------------------------
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:56:00 - [395] Originally by: Dianabolic And this stops you publishing your logs, how? Won't get you as much attnetion? I reply to eve-mail, try using it, you won't get any further response from me here. Because we all know just how terrible it would be for this information to be made public, right?
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:56:00 - [396] "You can say that you were hacked, that crimes were committed, and that Mr. Z________ is a ***... or you can argue that what he's saying is a smear campaign, a lie, and a witch hunt. You can't argue both, as you and your boys are doing, as they're mutually exclusive. Pick one." It's hardly uncommon to provide some bits of truth to make the big lie one is trying to sell more believeable. So no, i don't think there's a need to 'pick one' unless we want to be very naive about possibilities of the whole deal. For the record i have no idea nor way to tell if the information he posted is true. But the fact he did have access to some info doesn't automatically make it a proof in my eyes that what he's posting actually is* that info and nothing but it. Especially when at the same time he's using it as blackmail attempt to get a free mothership and get person he dislikes kicked from a corp.
dellie Darwin With Attitude	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:57:00 - [397] Edited by: dellie on 31/01/2007 16:55:00 Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: dellie ... Erm the faction fitted scorpion rings a bell?Troll.. maybe that was a GM? and maybe they are volunteers? noob It's great being a Gallente that flies... errr... Gallente.. Right?!?!
Vily Eternity INC. Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.31 16:57:00 - [398] Originally by: Hardin Devs in BoB - yes Devs in other alliances - yes Devs cheating to assist ingame alliances - proof or stfu... I think this has been probably the most simple and effective part of any post here. -
Pesadel0 Vagabundos	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:00:00 - [399] Originally by: dellie Edited by: dellie on 31/01/2007 16:55:00 Originally by: Pesadel0 Originally by: dellie ... Erm the faction fitted scorpion rings a bell?Troll.. maybe that was a GM? and maybe they are volunteers? noob GM volunteers?
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:01:00 - [400] Edited by: Sinlare on 31/01/2007 16:57:52 Originally by: Pesadel0 Personally i dont give a rats ass about the drama,the forum bob warriors are doing the drama. I has a player really want CCP to come out and say wtf happened,that is all.Because i love the game and the DEVS and i would hate to leave it and find another game. You're the drama queen here, go troll elsewhere.
Trask Kilraen The Older Gamers R0ADKILL	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:02:00 - [401] Originally by: dellie But do you realy think this is a story that could happen? A person would risk his job.. just to get a couple bpo's into the alliance ingame where he plays in his little spare time.. Yes it could. I was involved in a previous game where something very similar DID happen. Why? The dev beleived that 1) They wouldn't get caught, and that 2) Even if caught, they wouldn't be severely punished. Because of this, many development companies do not allow their developers to get the goodies on the liver servers. Or else they severely limit their ability to participate in player organizations.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:05:00 - [402] Originally by: Sinlare You're the drama queen here, go troll elsewhere. Wanting more information to be known? How horrible!
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:06:00 - [403] Originally by: Anonymous Coward Originally by: Sinlare You're the drama queen here, go troll elsewhere. Wanting more information to be known? How horrible! Sadly, the post it was meant to quote has already been deleted, though by the same person. So yes, he's still a troll.
Claire Lacombe Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:07:00 - [404] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 31/01/2007 16:26:48 Originally by: The Mittani My dearest darling -dbp, and or any BoB here who have his MSN; You want me to contact you about your accusations towards my man Rycar, yet you have blocked my alliance, shockingly enough, so I cannot evemail you even if you were online. See page 4 of this trainwreck of a thread for reference. Most of EVE already knows my MSN, so here it is: [email protected] It's not like it hasn't been leaked in innumerable chatlogs already. Call me, we'll talk, I'll throw in some linebreaks to make you feel more at ease. doh sorry, I'm not at home to remove that. It was from when we were at war. However, you can ignore the stuff about rycar, I've removed it fully. If you don't believe it then fair enough. I apologise for stating that rycar had anything to do with it. I can't be assed chatting with you tbh because let's be honest, you aren't exactly opening lines of communication here. So you can shuffle off back to your own forums now and believe what you want. Cheers, dbp It's funny how you and your 'pets' cry endlessly in this thread about the unfair allegations about BoB, yet you feel perfectly alright with accusing another Eve player of committing felonies based on mysterious evidence that you now refuse to submit. I swear to Christ some of you people eat, breathe and **** out cognitive dissonance.
Thalera Saldana Minmatar Oxymorons from Outer Space	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:07:00 - [405] Originally by: Galimiy Portret Could you please publish the complete e-mail conversation in subject? Galimiy you are being an idiot. Dmz and Diana have already stated that: - the information was about killmail parsing and ship icons - the information was received through Dev-chats and email None of this information is game sensitive, it is only helpful for killboards. It helps the whole comunity. It was obtained through methods available to the whole community. Let It Drop Thal
The Mittani GoonFleet GoonSwarm	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:08:00 - [406] Originally by: j0sephine Especially when at the same time he's using it as blackmail attempt to get a free mothership and get person he dislikes kicked from a corp. You seem reasonable enough. Best advice I can give you is to absolutely do not, do not, do not give him anything he wants. No isk, no 'hiring him on retainer', nothing. Don't agree to have 'intelligence cooperation', just stonewall him and eventually he will move on and go after more interesting, high profile targets. Or at least he did with us. Also, buy your server admin a pack of Red Bull and send him boxes of chocolates, because the poor guy is going to be up for a long, long time coding and securing. This tends to make them very cranky (and in our case made him put bees absolutely everywhere). Force your members to change pws regularly, and fine them if they have easily-broken pws. Other than that, duck and pray. He's in Indonesia so the 'normal channels' of dealing with something like this don't work. About the only thing to do right now is ask CCP to ban his accounts, but since most of what he's doing is purely in the metagame that won't stop him having his fun (fame, notoriety, your reactions) at his expense. Most hackers don't do it for the money, they do it for the chance to display their 'power' over their victim and for the attention it gets them. When he mirrored our forums, we kept it quiet; when he nuked my LV agents (Superspyno and DeCoup, and Tepper's account on lotka.org) we kept it quiet. I think that bored him. Of course with what he's doing to you guys you can't keep it quiet because he's very publically blabbing it to the world, but you can try to tone down the amount of reaction he's getting out of you. There's a lot of crap out there about the psychology of hackers. It's not pretty stuff. Anyways, my darling dearest -dbp nonwithstanding, and ignoring for now the veracity or lack thereof of Mr. Zboralski's allegations, you guys have my sympathy. We had to deal with this crap for two months straight and it played absolute havoc with our enjoyment of the game and Solo nearly quit over it. Bad times.
Treelox Amarr Frontier Technologies	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:11:00 - [407] Edited by: Treelox on 31/01/2007 17:13:40 MODS just lock this thread, nothing new of substance from either side has been provided. It has just become a baiting, trolling flamefest since page 4. All of you who have posted, sit back, close you browser, enjoy the rest of your day, and stop thinking about it. Kieron has said that CCP will deal with this, give them some time to do it. It took god 7 days to build the earth, im sure it will take CCP more than 8hrs to fully and properly investigate these alligations. For those of you that dont even believe that CCP will fairly investigate this matter, just pack up now, if you have lost faith in CCP. Your bitterness towards the developers of the game that most of the rest of us love, is just going to cause you to be spiteful always. -- Signature edited - this is your last warning - Jacques
Galimiy Portret R.u.S.H. Red Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:11:00 - [408] Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Galimiy Portret Originally by: Dianabolic Originally by: Galimiy Portret Dian, does your recruitment policy require that the person wanting to join your corporation also reveal person's account name? Does that question have anything to do with this topic? If you just want to interview me, Galimiy, feel free to do so through eve-mail. You're now just asking questions for the sake of it. I am assuming this whole matter to be as of much importance to the whole EVE-community and as a rank and file member of said community I feel it needs to be discussed in public. And this stops you publishing your logs, how? Won't get you as much attnetion? I reply to eve-mail, try using it, you won't get any further response from me here. I assume that RKK's directorship has nothing to hide from the public and thats why I assume the freedom to ask these question in public. Your lack of will to answer questions cast a shadow on your credibility. Again, I would like to know how did you gain such a level of trust with a dev as to be able to discuss undisclosed game mechanics? ...now in RED
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:14:00 - [409] I would like to give props to kugutsumen for lighting the forums on fire and then trying to put it out with gasoline Half Assed Rhymage
Comstr Technology Acquisition Collective Interstellar Alcohol Conglomerate	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:17:00 - [410] Well Band Of Brothers, Karma comes back to you eventually. Like all things on the fourms, it won't change the in game. But it certinaly is telling. To CCP: you devs are expected to play the game, to observe it, to see how things play out. They don't need to lead so much as a squadron or get a T2 BPO from the lottery to do that.
Traxio Nacho Sharks With Frickin' Laser Beams Mercenary Coalition	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:17:00 - [411] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I would like to give props to kugutsumen for lighting the forums on fire and then trying to put it out with gasoline Props to someone that breaks the law uses out of game methods to hack peoples forums you sir are a muppet.
Marcus TheMartin Gallente Tuxedo.	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:24:00 - [412] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I would like to give props to kugutsumen for lighting the forums on fire and then trying to put it out with gasoline Props to someone that breaks the law uses out of game methods to hack peoples forums you sir are a muppet. Well considering ccp offers this $15 for intel thing the fact that he gets things his way dosen't really bother me that much. Half Assed Rhymage
Kahlil Dass Oberon Incorporated Prime Orbital Systems	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:26:00 - [413] Originally by: dimensionZ Originally by: Kahlil Dass I am aware that these are still allegations, and you are entitled to the benefit of the doubt, but this surely stinks something fierce. Ok, this is it. How do you know about anyone proxies ? How would you know ? Oh, kungutsumen told you that. There are 127.0.0.1 entries. THat gotta be a proxy to hide the fact we are all cheating GMs/Devs. Or it could be squid ? Or administrators taking the ips to another level of logging ? Or one million other possibilities. Once again, you are all basing your so said "facts" on baseless "proofs" from a guy who is so much Jealous of successfull alliances and groups that he had to use IRL basic hacking methods to mess with people game. You should just all be ashamed of what you are doing. I did say you were entitled to the benefit of the doubt, I stand by that. It's just speculation pending a full investigation. If the allegations are accurate then it does stink of forehand knowledge and facilitation of anonymity. If it's a proxy that's in use by many members, or if it's common to have so many of a user's posts and private messages deleted, well that should all be borne out through investigation and you have nothing to worry about. Judgment will be reserved until then. I hope BoB will be fully cooperative with the CCP investigation in order to clear their name. The whole thing could be entirely fabricated, but if so, it has been done so with a thoroughness and skill that makes it pretty believable in my eyes, and obviously in the eyes of many members of this community. Furthermore, we may be inclined to believe because BoB seem to have had spates of really good "luck" that have benefited them at the expense of their enemies. Maybe you're just lucky. Maybe you make your own luck. If you have done nothing wrong then the investigation will exonerate you. Spare us the indignant chest thumping, it is unbecoming and seems a little desperate.
Baun 4S Corporation Morsus Mihi	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:28:00 - [414] Originally by: DTee Hacking is a crime. Ingame spying is not a crime. Dont make yourself look more stupid then you already have. So called ingame spying that stays in game may not be a crime or even be untoward. Potentially fraudulent misrepresentation to gain access to resources in which individuals have property interests (web servers, bandwidth, teamspeak servers, some personal information) is very close to gaining access to these same resources without permission by "hacking". Lying your way into access to information and property you otherwise would have no acess to certainly seems more artful than simply forcing your way in, but it is very ignorant to completely ignore the similiarity between the two acts. The Enemy's Gate is Down
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:30:00 - [415] Originally by: Marcus TheMartin I would like to give props to kugutsumen for lighting the forums on fire and then trying to put it out with gasoline its great! now the forums almost feels like the old days again with a fire burning like mad in every part of the forums. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Popsikle Caffeine Commodities Company	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:30:00 - [416] Originally by: Hardin STOP WITH THE FECKING WITCH HUNT Devs play EVE. Some Devs are in BoB and some are in other alliances. That is beyond dispute. What is in dispute is whether the devs have used their 'magical powers' to influence the game. I personally do not believe that to be the case and I have seen ZERO evidence that they have. I have won 3 BPOs in the lottery over time. If I decided to leave the game and give them to my alliance would that be evidence that I was a dev? No it wouldn't... Devs in BoB - yes Devs in other alliances - yes Devs cheating to assist ingame alliances - proof or stfu... I am shocked, I agree 100% with an AMARR! More people need to read this post tbh, and really grasp what It is saying. If a dev abused his power, its the devs fault for abusing his/her power and not bobs. Whats bob going to do, question where they are getting the bpo's from? Would your alliance question it? __________________________________________ -= We Fly for our people =- -= I fly for Blood =-
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:30:00 - [417] Originally by: dimensionZ Originally by: jeNK Originally by: dimensionZ Originally by: Kahlil Dass Originally by: Dianabolic We've never said there were no devs in bob, we've always said that even if there are, we still don't care - and that goes for every alliance in this game. In fact, if you can be bothered to research my posts, you'd see that I HOPE THERE ARE DEVS IN EVERY ALLIANCE. How on earth else are they going to improve this game, if they do not play it? Mind reading? The allegations suggest that not only did RKK know that the character supplying them with T2 BPOs was a dev, they facilitated their anonymous posting to prevent this from being uncovered through the use of a proxy on the server hosting the RKK forums. I am aware that these are still allegations, and you are entitled to the benefit of the doubt, but this surely stinks something fierce. Ok, this is it. How do you know about anyone proxies ? How would you know ? Oh, kungutsumen told you that. There are 127.0.0.1 entries. THat gotta be a proxy to hide the fact we are all cheating GMs/Devs. Or it could be squid ? Or administrators taking the ips to another level of logging ? Or one million other possibilities. Once again, you are all basing your so said "facts" on baseless "proofs" from a guy who is so much Jealous of successfull alliances and groups that he had to use IRL basic hacking methods to mess with people game. You should just all be ashamed of what you are doing. Prove he is a hacker. Also, by your own alliances members claiming he is a hacker, do you not realise that gives more credibility to his claims? Your want proofs ? Catch me ingame. Only just spotted this (thanks to someone informing me) I shall evemail you later tonight, still at work atm :)
Xendie Forsaken Empire The Forsaken Empire	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:32:00 - [418] Originally by: Traxio Nacho Props to someone that breaks the law uses out of game methods to hack peoples forums snip Keep it polite -Eldo if you had proof then you should take it up with the proper authoroties instead of making baseless accusations you cannot prove. his story could be true you know. Quote: Nertzius > having fun being incompetitent? Quote: jake sisko > its f-e's bob dev alt making lag
Sinlare Gallente Sinlare Auditorium	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:34:00 - [419] Originally by: Baun Originally by: DTee Hacking is a crime. Ingame spying is not a crime. Dont make yourself look more stupid then you already have. So called ingame spying that stays in game may not be a crime or even be untoward. Potentially fraudulent misrepresentation to gain access to resources in which individuals have property interests (web servers, bandwidth, teamspeak servers, some personal information) is very close to gaining access to these same resources without permission by "hacking". Lying your way into access to information and property you otherwise would have no acess to certainly seems more artful than simply forcing your way in, but it is very ignorant to completely ignore the similiarity between the two acts. This thread is good, it gets all less scrupulous people to come out and defend snip, so we know who to shun. snip Please don't post personal information on the forums -Eldo ([email protected])
Qu'ut Nez Minmatar Norges Sildesalgslag	Posted - 2007.01.31 17:35:00 - [420] It seems you are discussing what BoB has done wrong, but the thread title surely refers to dev conduct. I'll phrase out something hinted to earlier, confirm or deny as you please (but remember you said you don't lie BoB ) Some people get banned for account sharing. Just about every large alliance deals in rampant account sharing, but I suppose it is rarely petitioned. A dev was in charge of BoB's capital fleet. Like any other speedy combat force, they have a whole bunch of cyno alts that are shared between the capital fleet officers. This dev might then not only have looked the other way on a bannable EULA offense, thereby giving BoB a free pass where others get banned, but might even actively have planned, instructed and used said cyno alts. Very bad. When it comes to learning about events before they happen, did in fact any Serpentis outpost stuff take place in Fountain? I don't know, and the logs say 2005 so it could certainly be pure fabrication. If it is pure fabrication, I give much credit to the author for the detailed catfight where the directors whine about not being in the loop, but have no beef about the inside knowledge they are getting. ------ [SILD]

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