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j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:50:00 - [181] "It's not my job to change your mind about things that could present a conflict of interest in certain circumstances. I'm not saying that anything happened. Wait and see before you speculate one way or another." While you tell me to wait and see, you are openly speculating about devs' possible and theoretical abuse of power that they 'clearly must be doing so we should keep them away from the game for the sake of it' ... here and now. Sorry, but if you* are going to speculate about the big bad devs screwing everyone for a few virtual trinkets, am going to point out just how petty, narrowminded and childish it is. If you want me to stop, sit quiet and wait yourself rather than try to get the mob all fired up and screaming for blood. *) generic 'you'
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:50:00 - [182] Edited by: DB Preacher on 31/01/2007 13:51:16 Originally by: Pesadel0 I don¦t give a ** about BoB ,Goons or any aliance ,but if this "dev" was giving some kind of information,intel to a particular Alliance he should be fired. About the "hacker" he did more good than wrong ,basically i don¦t give a rats ass about your out off the game tactics ,because everyone uses it.And the barrier has been broken by BoB now it has escalated. I'am watching this thread closely Because my permanency in EVE depends in it. Hmm, I must fail to find the good in this I'm afraid. This isn't some ingame random stuff. This isn't like us mocking ascn leaders. This would be equivelent to us releasing cyvok's real name on the net, what he does and what he is up too. He is making rubbish up and attacking individuals playing the game by releasing REAL LIFE information about them. Their real life names and is stating without any evidence at all that they work for CCP. If you can see good in that then I'm sorry but I'm afraid that as someone in the industry I would have to massively disagree with you. Trying to break up rkk is one thing but destroying people's lives is something completely different. If any of those players did happen to be in RKK then don't you think that CCP would have been keeping a very close eye on them, even more than anyone else to make sure they were playing on the level. And come on, this many devs in rkk and more incoming? Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes and stop believing everything you read. I'll tell you the conclusion of this, no-one will lose their jobs and no-one will be found guilty of any wrong doing because I have full access to our forums and I know that there is nothing in there that will confirm any of this rubbish he is making up. Right now, Kugutsmen is stating that he will stop if I am kicked from BoB or he gets a moship. That is his price for potentially destroying the real life of someone. If you guys can't see the difference then seriously, I am pretty sickened by that. I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality. If peeps are willing to go that far to get me out of the game then I'm not convinced this is a game I will particularly be playing for much longer because who knows where it will end. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto**
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:53:00 - [183] Originally by: La Tortura Just a short list of losely related issues, to sum it up - someone tried to buy out Expanded Cargohold BPO's a week before they magically turn up into Expanded Cargohold II BPO's. Was this issue investigated? Was IP of the alt who posted the topic on the forum compared with IP's of people playing the game to find out where was the likely source of the leak? - a pimped out with officer mods scorp was blown up and looted in 0.0. They said it was a mistake of a newbie GM who wanted to show off or whatnot, which costed him his job, but it more seems like that scorp was just blown up by the wrong people, not by those who supposed to have it done. - Strategically placed G pos was atacked by Aurora event dreads with the support of F-E (and maybe ATUK as well, dun remeber) in the middle of the war. - A Hel had been put as an ISD event reward for some pos stuff worth about 4B total and shortly after was claimed by an LV corp. Lately it was found out that all event plans for a halfyear was somewhat compromised, but AFAIK there were no consequences on that particular case. - And now these hacked logs, that prove that info about events was leaked from CCP, that CCP members had/have key positions in one of alliances, that these members left to that alliance some T2 bpos for free after they had to leave it, that alliance leaders well knew who there these members etc etc etc, too much stuff to write. Thank you very much for summing this up nicely, good post.
Christopher Scott Caldari Vengeance of the Fallen Curse Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 13:58:00 - [184] Edited by: Christopher Scott on 31/01/2007 13:56:58 Edited by: Christopher Scott on 31/01/2007 13:55:26 Originally by: DB Preacher Hmm, I must fail to find the good in this I'm afraid. This isn't some ingame random stuff. This isn't like us mocking ascn leaders. This would be equivelent to us releasing cyvok's real name on the net, what he does and what he is up too. He is making rubbish up and attacking individuals playing the game by releasing REAL LIFE information about them. Their real life names and is stating without any evidence at all that they work for CCP. If you can see good in that then I'm sorry but I'm afraid that as someone in the industry I would have to massively disagree with you. Trying to break up rkk is one thing but destroying people's lives is something completely different. If any of those players did happen to be in RKK then don't you think that CCP would have been keeping a very close eye on them, even more than anyone else to make sure they were playing on the level. And come on, this many devs in rkk and more incoming? Seriously, you guys need to open your eyes and stop believing everything you read. I'll tell you the conclusion of this, no-one will lose their jobs and no-one will be found guilty of any wrong doing because I have full access to our forums and I know that there is nothing in there that will confirm any of this rubbish he is making up. Right now, Kugutsmen is stating that he will stop if I am kicked from BoB or he gets a moship. That is his price for potentially destroying the real life of someone. If you guys can't see the difference then seriously, I am pretty sickened by that. I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality. If peeps are willing to go that far to get me out of the game then I'm not convinced this is a game I will particularly be playing for much longer because who knows where it will end. dbp No offense, but your leader is the one that gave out his RL information and threatened RL consequences to him publicly on these boards. Screen-shotted before he edited it out, so don't bother telling me PROOF or STFU. Talk about being a hypocrite. Edit: Oh, and check out my new sig: Originally by: DB Preacher I may be a muppet on these forums and wind peeps up massively but what is going on here is waaaaay over the edge of reasonable morality.
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:02:00 - [185] Edited by: DB Preacher on 31/01/2007 13:59:53 I see, so because someone posted in haste and then removed it instantly then you are quite happy with this guy releasing real life information on people within eve regardless of where that might lead? An eye for an eye in pure and utter hatred styles? Do people not see the difference between real life and this game? Have you become so deluded that you honestly think that what he is posting is funny? dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Gragnor Ordos Humanitas	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:03:00 - [186] It doesn't really matter what the Developers or GM's actually do; there is a horrible suspicion that this isn't a balanced game. That is, what happens in the game is NOT due to skill or luck. If this suspicion is allowed to fester it will become a pervasive cancer that eats away at the game's credibility. Consider it this way; what would happen to a Casino if its patrons came to a view that the croupiers were corrupt and the people who supervised them were in on it? As for BOB pilots crying foul and saying "who me" - when your leadership openly boasts about networks of spies, interdicting teamspeak coms and the like; you create a perception; one inimical to your cause. To then say you would never stoop to hacking just lacks credibility - irrespective of the truth. Based on your leadership's past public comments in these very forums I would not put anything past your Alliance and that is a real tragedy as no one really doubts you are gifted PvPers. The shroud of secrecy must be lifted and lifted quickly; the problem is that CCP's employees have rights too. Rights that must be respected or CCP deserves all that happens to them. So I too will wait for the final word. But CCP you are on notice. This is a serious issue. It goes to YOUR credibility to manage a game effectively and fairly. And credibility is like virginity - once lost never regained!
maarud Coreli Corporation Corelum Syndicate	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:05:00 - [187] I'm a little confused as to why people are shouting "Bob did it too". Yes they spied, but they used "ingame" means to do so. The had chars join thier enemies and inflitrate them, those chars were given access to forums and TS/vent. This seems like a very clever spie network to me, wish I had thought of it first really. Whats happened here, is someone has hacked (which, IIRC, is illegal in most countries) web servers and such to gain information. Also, I was told that there was a .de eve website that gave out IP addresses of thier users to D2 members (not 100% sure about that fact), but IIRC, handing out that sort of information is illegal too as it breaches privacy acts in a couple of countries. So, again, someone please explain to me how BoB's spieing and this information gathering seems to be the same? Maarud. Proudly a Ex-BYDI member
Microsoft Sam Red Army Inc	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:06:00 - [188] Originally by: Velios All this spying / hacking / eavesdropping and other underground methods are ruining eve. Why don't people that are into this stuff get a bloody life and go use their skills for something constructive, like tracking pedo's or terrorists down. You know... something important. Why would they want to hunt themselves?
Garia666 Amarr adeptus gattacus Lotka Volterra	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:07:00 - [189] Edited by: Garia666 on 31/01/2007 14:05:40 Well CCP does your face look BLUE.. I feel sorry for BoB because this is very bad for there name. However it will be ignorant to think that CCP didn`t knew of a GM playing with an alliance. Of course they know however they only take action now that the community finds out. EVE isn`t a place where you can accept a fair treatment of its creators. I have seen that proven once to many times. By this statement they try to patch there wounds by banning or kicking a GM. And point all the fingers to him.. this is all a big joke ->My Vids<- CCP= More skilz more moneh!
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:09:00 - [190] Originally by: j0sephine "It's not my job to change your mind about things that could present a conflict of interest in certain circumstances. I'm not saying that anything happened. Wait and see before you speculate one way or another." While you tell me to wait and see, you are openly speculating about devs' possible and theoretical abuse of power that they 'clearly must be doing so we should keep them away from the game for the sake of it' ... here and now. Sorry, but if you* are going to speculate about the big bad devs screwing everyone for a few virtual trinkets, am going to point out just how petty, narrowminded and childish it is. If you want me to stop, sit quiet and wait yourself rather than try to get the mob all fired up and screaming for blood. *) generic 'you' Show me where I speculated anything you silly person.
gofoi Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:11:00 - [191] DBP, only you have the power to make the whole thing stop. So make a move, and stop begging for people's pity over "destroying people's RL" BOB (as are other alliances - don't missundertand me) aren't known for beeing involved in morale discussions, more for "doing whatever it takes to achieve it's goals" so, in my point of view, you've already been to far in your "so-called" gaming experience... ...time to use the handbrake.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:11:00 - [192] So the proof is IP logs? It's funny because I logged onto forums when I was doing EVETV, from CCP. Most of the rest of the rest of the team did, and they sure as hell aren't devs. However, we must be since, like, the logs show it... You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
gofoi Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:14:00 - [193] Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 31/01/2007 14:05:40 Well CCP does your face look BLUE.. I feel sorry for BoB because this is very bad for there name. However it will be ignorant to think that CCP didn`t knew of a GM playing with an alliance. Of course they know however they only take action now that the community finds out. EVE isn`t a place where you can accept a fair treatment of its creators. I have seen that proven once to many times. By this statement they try to patch there wounds by banning or kicking a GM. And point all the fingers to him.. this is all a big joke It's true that I personnaly feel bad for the Real Persons in the BOB alliance who invested time, love and friendship into their own alliance without knowing what was realy happening... I hope this makes sense.
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:15:00 - [194] Originally by: Ifni So the proof is IP logs? It's funny because I logged onto forums when I was doing EVETV, from CCP. Most of the rest of the rest of the team did, and they sure as hell aren't devs. However, we must be since, like, the logs show it... Hundreds of posts were made from the same IP address.
j0sephine Caldari Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:18:00 - [195] Edited by: j0sephine on 31/01/2007 14:16:09 "Show me where I speculated anything you silly person." "The problem (..) it's what they are privy to and how they could use this to shape events within the game." Isn't theoretical musing on what one could do with --equally theoretical-- power they hold exactly that, a speculation..? (speculate: to think or wonder about the subject)
DB Preacher Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:19:00 - [196] Edited by: DB Preacher on 31/01/2007 14:16:11 Originally by: gofoi DBP, only you have the power to make the whole thing stop. So make a move, and stop begging for people's pity over "destroying people's RL" BOB (as are other alliances - don't missundertand me) aren't known for beeing involved in morale discussions, more for "doing whatever it takes to achieve it's goals" so, in my point of view, you've already been to far in your "so-called" gaming experience... ...time to use the handbrake. Begging for pity? You are very much mistaken if you think that was the point of my post. Remove yourself from the fact that it's BoB and start separating real life from the game. Anyway, I can see that posting here is pointless while people are sitting with thier head in the sands believing whatever kugutsmen feeds them so I'll shut up again. I mean look at this dude: Originally by: Anonymous Coward Originally by: Ifni So the proof is IP logs? It's funny because I logged onto forums when I was doing EVETV, from CCP. Most of the rest of the rest of the team did, and they sure as hell aren't devs. However, we must be since, like, the logs show it... Hundreds of posts were made from the same IP address. OMG KUGUTSMEN SAID IT WAS SO!!!!!111111 Seriously, idiots. dbp Caldari Alliance PVP Championship Winner Current RKK Ranking: (PSCAL6) Proficient Short Tanto
Patch86 Di-Tron Heavy Industries Freelancer Alliance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:20:00 - [197] Well, this one certainly snuck up on me. I guess the only thing to say is: All those abusing their powers should be fired from CCP employ and perma-banned from the game, extremely fast. All those players who wilfully knew about any abuse should be banned aswell, as they were just as much violating the EULA. On the flip side, I hope anyone who has been wrongfully acused or victimised by a smear campaign should be publicly cleared, so the stigma of the whole affair can be removed from their heads, once and for all. I, like everyone here, will be following this very closely. -----------------------------------------------
Nekumi Caldari Jericho Fraction The Star Fraction	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:20:00 - [198] Originally by: j0sephine "Show me where I speculated anything you silly person." "The problem (..) it's what they are privy to and how they could use this to shape events within the game." Isn't theoretical musing on what one could do with power they hold exactly that, a speculation..? (speculate: to think or wonder about the subject) That was an answer to your musing about what a dev could possibly do outside of having super dev powers in game. It's not speculation.
Ifni Developmental Neogenics Amalgamated	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:20:00 - [199] Originally by: Anonymous Coward Originally by: Ifni So the proof is IP logs? It's funny because I logged onto forums when I was doing EVETV, from CCP. Most of the rest of the rest of the team did, and they sure as hell aren't devs. However, we must be since, like, the logs show it... Hundreds of posts were made from the same IP address. Oh well then, theres the proof! Stop the presses! You take what is offered. And that must sometimes be enough.
Kryztal Caldari Black Nova Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:20:00 - [200] I shouldnt really be replying to this as its already a flaming thread. You people that are going omg omg hes just spying just like BoB does. We have never hacked our way into anyones forums its all been done through regular groundwork. We have never to my knowledge posted personal info about anyone in EvE. We arent talking about Chars and Alts here we are talking about real name, address, profession etc. If he was to post about how BL has a fetish for amarrian slaves it would be diffrent cos its Ingame. These things are stuff that doesnt belong on any forums. Its a game and to be honest if anyone of you think its ok then send me your names and address, phone numbers and shoe size and ill start spamming forums with them. I have no interest in seeing my name on this forums or any other forum. The thing that ccp should be investigating is how anthonyz is impacting the community. Today its BoB tomorrow it will be another alliance/corp hes hacked his way into. The forums are a part of the game wether ccp admit it or not so they need to make a stand on it and start doing something. Without private corp/alliance forums, eve wouldnt be what it is. This guy is breaking the law and yes nothing really you can do on a individual level but do CCP care atleast ? Do they care that a menance has hacked himself into alot of eve related forums and is using RL information gathered there to blackmail for ingame stuff ? Cos if CCP dont care then why are we really paying for the game, i didnt sign up and pay for the past 3 years only to have some low life dig up my RL info and post it on forums for everyone to abuse it. What CCP really should be investigating is what they can do to make this guy stop. But atm ive got a feeling they dont care anyway.
aggro Minmatar Black Lance	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:24:00 - [201] personally the whole thing stinks. people who use out of game tactics like hacking forums etc are the lowest of the low. BOB started this type of hacks and now other people think this is the norm. CCP NEED TO SORT THIS AND QUICK TO REGAIN SOME RESPECTABLITY Where there is trouble you will always find AGGRO
Reiisha Black Eclipse Corp Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:24:00 - [202] Originally by: gofoi Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 31/01/2007 14:05:40 Well CCP does your face look BLUE.. I feel sorry for BoB because this is very bad for there name. However it will be ignorant to think that CCP didn`t knew of a GM playing with an alliance. Of course they know however they only take action now that the community finds out. EVE isn`t a place where you can accept a fair treatment of its creators. I have seen that proven once to many times. By this statement they try to patch there wounds by banning or kicking a GM. And point all the fingers to him.. this is all a big joke It's true that I personnaly feel bad for the Real Persons in the BOB alliance who invested time, love and friendship into their own alliance without knowing what was realy happening... I hope this makes sense. Tell me, do you know what is really happening? This isn't a flame, this is to show the general state of mind people are in right now. They aren't thinking this out far enough. EVE History Wiki - Help us fill it!
Anonymous Coward Gallente Panopticon Citadel	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:24:00 - [203] Originally by: DB Preacher OMG KUGUTSMEN SAID IT WAS SO!!!!!111111 Seriously, idiots. Well, we're going to find out, aren't we? Besides, I'm inclined to put more stock in what he's saying than you are--particularly since you just admitted that you have a very vested interest in this.
Otellus Imperial Shipment	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:26:00 - [204] Originally by: Reiisha Originally by: gofoi Originally by: Garia666 Edited by: Garia666 on 31/01/2007 14:05:40 Well CCP does your face look BLUE.. I feel sorry for BoB because this is very bad for there name. However it will be ignorant to think that CCP didn`t knew of a GM playing with an alliance. Of course they know however they only take action now that the community finds out. EVE isn`t a place where you can accept a fair treatment of its creators. I have seen that proven once to many times. By this statement they try to patch there wounds by banning or kicking a GM. And point all the fingers to him.. this is all a big joke It's true that I personnaly feel bad for the Real Persons in the BOB alliance who invested time, love and friendship into their own alliance without knowing what was realy happening... I hope this makes sense. Tell me, do you know what is really happening? This isn't a flame, this is to show the general state of mind people are in right now. They aren't thinking this out far enough. I think I know what is happening. I think CCP is worrying whether or not this is gonna be their grave.
jeNK Caldari STK Scientific	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:27:00 - [205] I still find it amazing you're calling him a hacker, personally.
gofoi Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:27:00 - [206] Originally by: DB Preacher Edited by: DB Preacher on 31/01/2007 14:16:11 Originally by: gofoi DBP, only you have the power to make the whole thing stop. So make a move, and stop begging for people's pity over "destroying people's RL" BOB (as are other alliances - don't missundertand me) aren't known for beeing involved in morale discussions, more for "doing whatever it takes to achieve it's goals" so, in my point of view, you've already been to far in your "so-called" gaming experience... ...time to use the handbrake. Remove yourself from the fact that it's BoB and start separating real life from the game. I personaly have lots of friends who are part of BOB, dbp. My message wasn't adressed to them. My reply was for you, prove us that all those logs are fake, manipulated and that we have no reason to believe what's on that blog. If, and only if, you have those evidencies, I'm sure everybody would enjoy having them. But until now, having "OMG KUGUTSMEN SAID IT WAS SO!!!!!111111" as your main counter argument brings you nowhere.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:29:00 - [207] Originally by: aggro personally the whole thing stinks. people who use out of game tactics like hacking forums etc are the lowest of the low. BOB started this type of hacks and now other people think this is the norm. Seriously, get over yourself. We have never, nor will we ever, hack, ddos, or otherwise use OUT OF GAME means to gain ANY advantage. Your continued belief that we do shows just how badly you want to hate us, it's quite heartening :) Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
Spoon	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:29:00 - [208] CCP isnt going to post any results from this. Even if they do find anything. Like they always have done. Tbh though I dont care. Because this whole thing is a farse anyway. The sourc eof th eifnormation was unreliable and best and from a questionable methods of getting it. I cant even be bothered to spell check this post its just not worth the effort.
Dianabolic Reikoku Band of Brothers	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:30:00 - [209] Originally by: jeNK I still find it amazing you're calling him a hacker, personally. What would you call it? Quote: 2006.12.18 23:46:04 Notify Phoenix belonging to nOrAb self-destructs.
gofoi Rage and Terror	Posted - 2007.01.31 14:30:00 - [210] Originally by: Reiisha It's true that I personnaly feel bad for the Real Persons in the BOB alliance who invested time, love and friendship into their own alliance without knowing what was realy happening... I hope this makes sense. Tell me, do you know what is really happening? This isn't a flame, this is to show the general state of mind people are in right now. They aren't thinking this out far enough. I understand don't worry. No, it's true that we still have to say "free until proven guilty" (?). So of course not, i don't know what is happening, sadly, as most of the rest of EVE.

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