I dont see myself using them much since brawling is kinda **** but I guess they are still cool as it will be much easier to stay relatively close (~20k) to battleships that use these instead of a normal web.

These seem stuck in limbo between two conflicting ideas.

1: provide up close powerful grapple item for heavy tackling.

2: provide projected slow down of distant targets so you can shark them or apply just that extra bit of Dps.

Pick one. powerful grapple for heavy tackling? BS's don't do that. Ever. Sharking distant targets as they get slower compared to you? BS's aren't fast enough to catch moss growing. Ever.

If you want to give these to a class of ship that needs help as the "special snowflake that makes them see use". Give them to assault frigates. They would love projected slowdown, with ever increasing speed imbalance. ending in an 85% heavy tackle on their 'at 0' target. Enyos would love them. Vengeance's would love them. Hawks would love them. Jaguars would love them.

Do that.

no. We don't need frigates with webs that reach out to 24km.


Stop trying to introduce gimmicks into small ships that will affect large ship operation.


I think you should actually fly the ship before commenting on how useful a module will be for it.

These do not reach 24 km. At 22, they only reduce speed by 10%. Negligible if you're trying to catch size smaller ships or trying to hit with low tracking guns. A tracking comp gives you more tracking unscripted that that 10% slowdown would give you. So for either intended use, a different module would perform better.

Assault frigates and HACs are the only pirate or T2 ship classes in the game left that do not have a snowflake function. EVERY ship has something that you cannot get on another hull in any remote capacity. Everything has a gimmick. Its how CCP creates artificial floors for their uses.

Grid control RHM geddons are one of my favorite ships to fly. I see no use for these on a class of ship that lacks the speed to take advantage of the progressively better slowdown as you close range, and already possesses superb options for shutting down speed inside 10km and hammering 600+ dps onto somethings face. A heavy neut/Scram/Web pretty much already railroads anything out to 12km.

I guess i can't wait to be proven wrong. Will look forward to seeing them on the field.

This is sort of at the core of why i am not super excited about these. They are going to shine in a defensive situations, true. When coupled with a scram, they can shut down fast targets enough to wreck.... Just like webs already do... The issue is that enemies who commit, will commit to scram range already. They would have, and won't turn back when they see the grappler effect. tunnel vision will be the end of them. With or without this becoming a thing.

Its nice to see a litte bit of falloff past web range and a fast refresh rate on the slowdown, but will these be all that more powerful than webs? Enough to warrant noticeable grid cost? I'm not seeing it. Maybe if there was no limit to how many could be fit....

Maybe we would be better off just making T2 webs 8+6 optimal and falloff and tossing the whole "grappler" module altogether.

This new module looks like a massive joke, and not a very good joke ether

basically all i got form this is that anyone considering fitting this should fit Fed Navy Webs and they will be more effective 95% of the time

What if I'm poor and can't afford a 70mil (or whatever they are now) web? :<

What if I'm poor and can't afford a 70mil (or whatever they are now) web? :<

Why are you flying a battleship then

Because it's insurable.

Then it won't matter if you lose it because you are too cheap to fit it properly. =ƒÿ£

Any update on these? (didn't feel like sifting through 15 pages of responses)

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Actually I don't think AOE is a good idea since that will likely screw over friendly ships in the vicinity, plus make the module unusable in low/highsec where AOE is mostly forbidden (exceptions noted). However, if we made the module a high-slot weapon, so it could compete with neuts in that spare highslot space, we could have an interesting conversation there.

Plus, if we're going to combine functions, I'd rather have it combined with a target painter effect equal to the grapple effect and falloff, so that battleships can really start to lay down the hurt on the target.

im not against it being a highslot, but it not being used in highsec isn't so much a problem imo, it being used in Lowsec i think it would work out sense its not as powerful as a bubble and doesn't do massive burst AOE damage like bombs.

but it causing friendly ships to be slowed in it i think makes it a dynamic and interesting option that secures its places as a Solo/Small gang module and requires the pilot to have to think about his choices of activating/overheating to not **** over the quicker members of its fleet if they go out in a more traditional mixed fleet. For solo it works perfectly cause you only have to worry about yourself, but for small gangs that don't care about mobility with maybe like 2-3 people in Fat Battleships that don't rely on drones to do a majority of there DPS (Abbadons, Rokhs, Malestroms, Etc) would create some interesting options and tactics

You should feel dumb for thinking that BS should be able to solo frigates.