This doesn't make me want to take a battleship out to play any more than faction webs do, and I'm very disappointed that you think otherwise.

(so no range bonus on Bhaalgorns or strength bonus from Vindicators, and no benefit from gang links).

This was requested by the players for awhile now, thanks for introducing it.

Still waiting for the re-balance of bombs and or bombers versus battleships.

Regards, a Freelancer

ps: there is no hard counter to the Micro Jump Field Generator, please take that into account

Webs have no counter and are the single most OP form of E-war in the game hands down barred none. So naturally CCP adds more of them.

Technically, the counter to webs are Overdrive Injectors, Nanofibers, Afterburners and Microwarpdrives.

No they're not. Afterburners you could make an argument for if you're talking about oversized. Otherwise webs are a counter to those modules not the other way around. Two things cannot be counter to each other in perfect harmony in Eve. A warp scrambler cannot be countered by an MWD for example, if you try to say "it can burn away" no then range is the counter to the Scram. All those mods come with inherent penalties to their fitting with exception to the AB. The web does not.

You need to read twitter, Fozzie said it stacks about an hour ago

https://twitter.com/GrathTelkin/status/696460014685257728

Haven't seen it asked yet but if this module doesn't get bonuses from links or roles applied to it then does it also circumvent the penalties applied to webs in black holes?

Our current plan is to extend the black hole effect to impact these modules (as well as webbing fighters and webbing drones).

We are aware of potential issues with orbit vectors changing, and are keeping an eye on them. Our internal playtesting has indicated that the effect we're using for this web doesn't generally disrupt orbit vectors by a large margin, but we'll be very interested to see how players find the feel of using these modules and fighting against them using orbit commands once we open up testing on sisi.

So we have confirmed in the code why these modules cause less of a orbit vector disruption than one might expect. It's actually a very unintuitive mechanic behind the scenes, far from ideal. The upshot is that although this isn't a big deal for the Grapplers (since they only cause very slight orbit changes), we may found have an easy solution to the general case of orbit vector changing drastically when webbed or when you turn on a prop mod. Still doing some testing and investigating.

So we have confirmed in the code why these modules cause less of a orbit vector disruption than one might expect. It's actually a very unintuitive mechanic behind the scenes, far from ideal. The upshot is that although this isn't a big deal for the Grapplers (since they only cause very slight orbit changes), we may found have an easy solution to the general case of orbit vector changing drastically when webbed or when you turn on a prop mod. Still doing some testing and investigating.

one question.

Vindicator?

Because Fozzie wrote, "It's seperate from existing Stasis Webs, and doesn't get bonuses from any web-specific bonuses...and no benefit from gang links."

That sounds like it is in a new meta group so it is very possible it won't stack.

i think it has potential, as there are a lot of people who will ramboi a Battleship in a svipul or other T3D/Frigate. I still see this as a bigger buff to missile BS, as turret BS still have to deal with tracking, and even with 85% reduction @ 1km (for t2), there is still the potential for smaller ships to sig tank them pretty easily. Or they could just hang out at 8-9km, scram kiting. But using this on a torpedo typhoon could have devastating effects on brawling cruisers and certain frigs (if you fit for max application). Which is a good thing.

On the other hand, i'm still alittle split on how a turret BS will make good use of it. Up close, having to deal with sig resolution of the turret+tracking will still make it tricky to hit smaller targets (as intended). So, missile BS were already in a decent spot, and it seems like this is a buff to them, but turret BS might still struggle slightly. Especially with low speed on BS. Even with a t2 100mn AB, most BS barely manage to get by 300-400m/s. Thats not much to range control with, especially against T3D's. Even with a 85% web.

This doesn't touch on the fact other BS might still need a physical rebalance. Things like the tempest fleet doing less dmg than T1. The fleet phoon's gun bonus is all but useless when you have the T1 pest, or the pest FI that offer better turret bonuses/utility. I'm sure there are others, but those are right off the top of my head.

Then we still have the issue with sensor strength being a tad low, when a single griffin or set of EC300's can permajam a BS. Even with ECCM. Although this could just be more related to how poor RNG is used in an EWAR.

Not to mention bombs/bombers needing rebalance.

I think the module has potential, but also don't want to see it as a band-aid to fix an ailing ship class, which has issues with more things than just fighting small ships.

Fixing that would take away the advantage a experience player gets from piloting their own ship vs a noob just pressing orbit button. Please dont take away mechanics that allow higher skilled players to shine.

please show me a typhoon fitt that is torpedo fitted , full aply and viable in solo pvp

It sounds like a good module to catch smaller things but in reality, smaller ships will probably still be able to pull away from you when you are using a grappler in deep falloff.

A new module for a new mechanic would have been better. I was hoping for a Ship Tractor Beam but i guess the code is too broken.

Some of us are just nostalgic

While these modules have potential, failing to apply ship specific bonuses to them largely negates the relative effectiveness of web based ships. This is further exacerbated by the planned conversion of what are currently good officer modules into what will be effectively useless modules to certain ship types post-patch.