My solution did not involve free SP or reimbursed SP.

It is by far the simplest option they could have chosen and follows a model already in place for frigate and cruiser DPS/Logi.

As you can read in the history, I myself was banging on that drum, however you cannot ignore the fact that this is additionally a unique opportunity for those who can capitalize on it (get it?).

My solution did not involve free SP or reimbursed SP.

It is by far the simplest option they could have chosen and follows a model already in place for frigate and cruiser DPS/Logi. They could have just released the new cap and rejigged the stats on the existing caps and job done. All based on the current carrier skill. No one is further ahead or behind where they were before. Everyone is happy that slow cats are dead.

TBH, im more against free SP than what they did because i think creating SP hills for only newer players to climb is bad for the game.

But in the same respect, creating an SP hill for EVERYONE to climb even though many were already over that hill is absurd.

This leads to speculation about the justification for such changes, which in this case is a clear cash grab.

And your irreverent point about just having to accept CCPs current trend in decision making, if this was a CCP blog i would accept that. But this is a forum, so we are allowed to discuss and decide if we aret going to personally tolerate changes in CCPs decision making style.

Except from what we read, their GOAL also include requiring much more SP investment to be able to do RR and DPS

We already trained to both. Why should we have to train it again?

Why even add a new skill for the force auxiliaries? Why not just let the carrier skill count for both?

I really don't see why I should have to buy another skill book to do something in the future that I can already do now. I'm hoping that I will be able to petition to get the new skill book and my sp

I dont think anyone disputes that. Question is why? I dont think its because they thought 25 years of total skills to train was insufficient. The answer is to peddle SP injectors.

Is that acceptable?
If we accept it now will that kind of behavior occur elsewhere?
Whats to stop CCP doing this to all ship roles?

That sentence is not quite clear in my opinion.
Is that "Any Character with Tactical Reconfiguration SKILL, Carrier SKILL and FAX SKILL" ?
Or do you mean "Any Character with Tactical Reconfiguration SKILL, a Carrier (the ship) and Force Auxiliary SKILL" ?

In other word, are you takling about the SKILL or the SHIP when you say "Carrier" ?
The "a" before "Carrier" is disturbing.

Well, the timing is perfect in that regard, so this line of reasoning probably plays a role. But it does make sense to split it up, even beyond pushing SP trading in our faces. They explained it rather well: Carriers are real multitalents - they can deal damage through fighters, they can repair, they can boost, they have a refitting service and a ship hangar. Therefore it's by far the superior choice for most people for their "first capital" over Dreadnoughts. It makes a lot more sense to have another class just for the support roles so every capital is a decent choice as first venture into the world of capital ships.

But then, it doesn't make much sense to have two completely different classes covered by the same skill. Now we have:

Racial Dreadnought + Tactical Weapon Reconfiguration for in your face DPS
Racial Carrier + Fighters for variable long range DPS and anti-support
Racial FAX + Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration for logistics

Its neat and tidy and makes a lot of sense.



Even if it weren't acceptable - what can we do, really? CCP have shown that they don't give a flying **** about their players opinions anymore. The only way to show them that something is not acceptable is to leave the game. But if we do that, why would we care what CCP does in the future?

So, it's either staying with the game if we still enjoy it, or quitting the game if we don't.

Yes it will be. If you had an Archon, you will still be able to fly an archon. If you could fly a chimera, you will still be able to fly a chimera. People could still fly their geddons after the change to a neut platform even if the way they used to use it was no longer functionnal.

Now I have to spend 2 BILLION per toon to get these books so I can continue doing what I was already able to do before this patch !??!?!??

I think they were given an objective to encourage use of skill injectors.

Unfortunately, that requires ignoring the only two fit for purpose solutions of;

- Use existing racial carrier skill and support skills, since no new role was being created, rather just separated.

- Refunding all cap related skills to be reallocated.

Im sure the devs would have gone with one of the reasonable options if the boot from higher up was not on their necks.

for godsake fing respond ccp you guys suck so much

Hi Mates,

We're seeding the 4 Racial Force Auxiliary skills in February, along with skills for Light Fighter Squadrons and Support Fighter Squadrons.
Any character with Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration, a Carrier and Force Auxiliary skill (of the same race) injected when the citadels expansion launches, will have the racial carrier skillpoints refunded as unallocated skillpoints. These skillpoints can be reallocated instantly as the player desires.

If you start training the Force Auxiliary skill after the patch tomorrow, you can reallocate your refunded skillpoints right back into your racial carrier skill so you can fly both ships. Or spend them on anything you like!

There'll be a dev-blog going into more details about our transition plans for Carriers, Force Auxiliaries and a bunch of other stuff, coming out later this week.


Cheers,
CCP Larrikin

Hi Mates,

We're seeding the 4 Racial Force Auxiliary skills in February, along with skills for Light Fighter Squadrons and Support Fighter Squadrons.
Any character with Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration, a Carrier and Force Auxiliary skill (of the same race) injected when the citadels expansion launches, will have the racial carrier skillpoints refunded as unallocated skillpoints. These skillpoints can be reallocated instantly as the player desires.

If you start training the Force Auxiliary skill after the patch tomorrow, you can reallocate your refunded skillpoints right back into your racial carrier skill so you can fly both ships. Or spend them on anything you like!

There'll be a dev-blog going into more details about our transition plans for Carriers, Force Auxiliaries and a bunch of other stuff, coming out later this week.


Cheers,
CCP Larrikin

I'm pretty sure they made it 14x because they don't want people to have overflowing SP after re-speccing into FAX from carrier. Unless everyone speccing into FAX is willing to burn those SP? It's not gonna happen and I already hear the 'I trained those SP!!!" warcry...

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=6329823#post6329823

Nice, silence the decent by locking threads.

This does however sum up pretty much exactly what everyone who is upset feels, along with other good points raised in this thread.

People who have both Carrier skill and Tactical Logistics Reconfiguration trained to at least L1 should receive FAX skill trained to the same level as their Carrier skill of the same race after FAXes get released. Those who injected and/or trained FAX skills between today and actual release of The Force Auxiliary ships should get their money and SP reimbursed.

Of course, some people will say that it goes against the current philosopy of not giving people skills to fly new classes of ships when they get released. However, when CCP releases new ship classes, they usually fill a new role. This is not the case with FAXes, since their role is copied from an existing ship class. They aren't really "new" ships in the same way that Command Destroyers or Logistics Frigates were, they were old ships fulfilling a specific role moved to an entirely new hull.