Ok so here's a point that no one is really making:

Due to the role split DPS carriers are getting additional ECM utility of some kind and presumably the FAUX Machines will get some additional utility that you didn't have as a triage pilot previously (by the time it is released).

HI Larrikin,

Would it not be logical to simply make Force Aux require the racial carrier skill and tactical logistics reconfiguration ?
Then make the racial carrier skill +% to whatever ship bonuses and the tactical Logistics skill +% to whatever repping/cap bonus?

Then everyone who already has racial carrier V and Tactical logistics V are the same as they are now - and all new players dont have to train anything more than we all did?

Makes sense really..

As for the new fighter skills - same thing goes... if you have fighters V and Fighter bomber V it should be split into the new skills

Why not just convert the skill for Tactical Logistics into the FAX skill?

So, you can fly a FAX with that skill + carrier skill.

You can fly the carrier with carrier skill + fighter skill.

Because people that fly/use carriers actively are poor scrubs.

[10:42] darren_fox - Although it might be a minor detail, I think what CCP is trying to do is to create Faux as a different capital type. We think if it as a carrier w/triage module, but in the vision (tm) it is a progression from T2 logistics ships.

[10:43] ccp_larrikin - What @darren_fox said.

First - If the player had the carrier skill injected they should have gotten the corresponding FAX skill for free. Not another 500 Million

Second - The market cost for carriers and FAX would than be 250 Million each for a total of 500 Million.

My proposal, make all FAX dual bonus ships from skills.

First skill is carrier skill.
Racial carrier skill 1 is enough to fly a FAX.
Non mandatory FAX skill grants 3% of capacitor capacity and recharge per level.
(initially capacitor recharge is reduced by 12% , and capacity by 15% to all fax hulls)

People can use both carriers at the start, but they need to buy and train FAX skill if they want to not have issues to cap in FAX hulls.
For triage carriers - cap is love, cap is life.

All the caps including the fax are T1 so follow racial limitations. Only T2 skills cross all races but even those require a racial skill to 5 in order to fly a ship.

All the more reason to keep the redesigned carriers and the fax in the same class. Just like the bantam and merlin are the same class. And the moa and osprey are the same class.

Reading through all this I come to one conclusion

CCP fracked up like they did when reporting the new navy wear ships.
CCP provides 1/2 the information players need to make proper judgment.

What happens?
CCP has big picture and they love what they see
Players have half the picture or less and all they see is a donkey (aka a jack ass).
So much of what CCP wants feedback on is worthless due to their (IMO) **** poor execution on putting things in a proper order.
If they had give us the hard stats for carriers and the FAX - we as players can provide better feed back.

CCP so needs to higher a PR person who the Devs would go to first so that guy can be like - so you want to provide information about a planned project that players have only tin foiled hatted upon - and all the information you are going to give them = about 10% of what the need to know. These players will eat you for breakfast and shat you out by dinner time.

I have made similar post in response to CCP's road map as well as 6 week patch program... Seems I have once again been ignored. Guess as I don't have a degree in PR and only like 8 years in customer service I know nothing when it comes to presentation.
Don't get me wrong CCP people, I love you all, there are just times I wonder if any of you taken class public speaking or public relations.

Another analogy is this: you all gave us a million piece puzzle and took out all the edge pieces.

[10:42] darren_fox - Although it might be a minor detail, I think what CCP is trying to do is to create Faux as a different capital type. We think if it as a carrier w/triage module, but in the vision (tm) it is a progression from T2 logistics ships.

You are splitting a ship that exists in half to make two inferior ships. .

Thats right, they've decided 1 ship is too strong and they're splitting it in half. You deserve nothing. If you want to fly it you'll train into it.

You should be happy they're even thinking about giving you something because theres a lot of titan and supercap pilots in game who got deeply screwed over when their ship changed and they got NOTHING in return.


Where were your objections then?

Just let everyone with at least 1 carrier skill injected turn ALL the skill points on the entire character into unallocated points, so we can reevaluate our life choices when that patch comes out.

At least when other ship skills split (and let's be honest, they are not adding a NEW ship, just splitting an existing one), there at least was some incentive to get more skill points, which people generally felt pretty happy about. Now all we get is an opportunity to waste tons of time training skills that have been added for no good reason, without knowing if it will be worth it until it is too late.

Give people who have "Racial Carrier to X" an equal amount of skill points towards "Racial Force Auxiliary X". That way we don't lose anything. Make the fighters either Fighter = something and Fighter Bombers = something else, or be sensible and split them in the same way that light and medium drones were. I currently enjoy being able to fly all types of carriers, and I am not incredibly happy about the absolute ton of skill books I have to buy and training I have to do for no benefit over the current system.

I'm pretty confident carriers will be really cool - but your improving your game is the reason I pay a subscription - I am not going to pay a subscription to play the game AND another one for your doing some much needed improvements.

For those that seem to have missed it. CCP are rethinking how they are going to impliment the FAX with regard to skills.

What about the Light Fighter and Support Fighter skills?

12x for each? Really? That's preposterous.

This is for new fighter type - light and support.
Old skills will be used for other types of fighters.

And the old drone skills will not be used... So once again, it is a massive SP sink to get back to roughly where we were before the patch. With that said, this one bothers me less than the Fleet Auxiliary skill...