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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University Minmatar Republic
1910
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:12:16 -
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Simple really ...
Old EVE you subbed 24/7 even if you were on a fishing trawler with no internet for 6 months as SP was not grindable.
New EVE you can grind SP just like everything else - so you are actually free to unsub during the periods you cannot play much.
Is this a big change to the EVE ethos at a meta level - yes a huge change with massive implications. Is this a POSITIVE change? Maybe, maybe not, I am reserving my opinion on that as it is currently all conjecture. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9878
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:28:54 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Simple really ...
Old EVE you subbed 24/7 even if you were on a fishing trawler with no internet for 6 months as SP was not grindable.
New EVE you can grind SP just like everything else - so you are actually free to unsub during the periods you cannot play much.
Is this a big change to the EVE ethos at a meta level - yes a huge change with massive implications. Is this a POSITIVE change? Maybe, maybe not, I am reserving my opinion on that as it is currently all conjecture. That option is certainly valid...for a few. But if everyone starts doing it, there will be no injectors to buy after a while since no one will be subbed to be farming it for sale.
Some interesting times ahead, for sure.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Studley Ramrod
Adult film stars of eve
0
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:44:21 -
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Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion.... |
Lan Wang
Knights of the Posing Meat FETID
2483
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:47:33 -
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Studley Ramrod wrote:Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion....
whats the point, who else can afford to just bang out 1.8tril making a character max skilled with a load of pointless skills they wont use, not many.
"Yeah. Put your tears in a jet can and leave them on your undock for your assailants to pick up. If they're camping you, I'm sure they're going to get thirsty." - Darth Squeemus
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Angel Cartel || Serpentis
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Dr Caymus
Applied Technologies Inc Agents of Fortune
162
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:53:36 -
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So, I'm reading the thread next door about looking for a little PvP fun and it occurs to me: I've had some fun over the last couple of days with a little PvD right here in the forums! I do feel like it's been a one sided battle though. Looking forward to the Devs weighing in on skill trading concerns.
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Michael Ruckert
Hohere Kavallerie-Kommando
438
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:56:59 -
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Quote:Most of the vets that post here are like FOX viewers with their average age of 72 years old. Stuck in the rut of past memories. The 'good old days'. If they were so good, then we'd not have moved past them.
No. The time for the EVE equivalent of walking twelve miles uphill both ways in a perpetual blizzard to school every morning are long passed. The dinosaurs will soon be extinct and I'll be damned if I let them take my favorite game with them. Mr Epeen Cool
The day Mr. Epeen Cool strutted into a bar.
https://youtu.be/gkccqolaVGg
"No matter how well you perform there's always somebody of intelligent opinion who thinks it's lousy." - Laurence Olivier
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Blindmellonchitlan
Science and Trade Institute Caldari State
0
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Posted - 2016.02.15 22:58:11 -
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This is so good I keep refreshing the page to see what else pops up XD. |
Shallanna Yassavi
Imperial Academy Amarr Empire
78
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Posted - 2016.02.15 23:47:42 -
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A lot of the characters you bought on the character bazaar were scammers of some flavor. If you bought a new face there, there was a very good chance you would have a whole bunch of someones wanting to melt it off for crimes. Repeatedly.
A signature :o
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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy Gallente Federation
1923
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Posted - 2016.02.15 23:54:15 -
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Hasikan Miallok wrote:Simple really ...
Old EVE you subbed 24/7 even if you were on a fishing trawler with no internet for 6 months as SP was not grindable.
New EVE you can grind SP just like everything else - so you are actually free to unsub during the periods you cannot play much.
Is this a big change to the EVE ethos at a meta level - yes a huge change with massive implications. Is this a POSITIVE change? Maybe, maybe not, I am reserving my opinion on that as it is currently all conjecture. Interesting point here. I wonder if the concept of cash for SP will now be acknowledged as such with additional subs/MCTCs. Prior to this staying subbed for skill queue online was neither objectionable nor questionable, but I wonder how it will be considered in the future?
Personally when asking myself if I want a month of SP to cost $11 or 2.4B isk, I'm still tempted to lean towards the $11 for the same reason I don't PLEX an account, I hate the feeling of being obligated to play for any period of time just to continue doing so. The alternative means of getting it means spending ~$35 instead of that $11.
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Avvy
Republic University Minmatar Republic
328
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Posted - 2016.02.16 00:03:30 -
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Studley Ramrod wrote:Skill injection fatigue, just a suggestion....
Those kinds of ideas are too late now.
Still I went from 12.5 million sp to 31 million sp.
But what I found as I'm only training core, frigate, destroyer, and cruiser (combat). Is that the skills I require to train now will take 2 sp injectors so I've reached the point where I prefer to keep the isk. |
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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite CODE.
2230
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Posted - 2016.02.16 00:32:25 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:But if everyone starts doing it, there will be no injectors to buy after a while since no one will be subbed to be farming it for sale. SP in the long run will come from alt characters with limited skill requirements, like mining alts or gank alts where the excess SP will be sold to get part of the PLEX costs back. This will make specialized alts free2playish, depending on how much demand there is for such alts and how much for extractors.
I suspect the demand for such alts will be quite high, at least I am planing to unsub all but one account with a general purpose char and create many more free gank accounts which are essentially free now.
the Code ALWAYS wins
Elite PvPer, #74 in 2014
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2557
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Posted - 2016.02.16 01:56:08 -
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Ima Wreckyou wrote:... and create many more free gank accounts which are essentially free now. Ouch but a good point.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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beakerax
Pator Tech School
227
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Posted - 2016.02.16 02:16:48 -
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Ah yes, one of those clever new players investing in their character.
I don't really care what IronBank does, tbh.
Dr Caymus wrote:Looking forward to the Devs weighing in on skill trading concerns. They already did. They described us as "ready for big changes in New Eden" and then "relaxed the scale a little to allow more flexibility at the high end".
Trader20 wrote:Thank the gaming God for this, no more bragging about time spent getting sp numbers. Hmm, maybe there is a silver lining after all. |
Jeanne Tivianne
106
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Posted - 2016.02.16 02:50:22 -
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This game is going places.
Dark, sad places :( |
Nachtengel von Rothschild
14
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Posted - 2016.02.16 03:50:29 -
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Some of you people are truly clueless about Iron Bank... he's a banker of the corp called I want Isk. they own a site where you can gamble isk (and yes the site is rigged like most casinos, you have more chances to lose than gain) @ iwantisk.com
he did not pay 30k... he simply took the isk people put into the site (in their corp wallet) and used almost 2 trillion isk worth.
this guy doesn't even have to play or even log on and his corp deposits him money on a monthly basis... so what he does is go on twitch and give some isk away as "giveaways", fully knowing that this would become popular in eve twich channel... he figured... if he were to donate some isk away, people would donate him real money to stream.
he does have a "real" job however, i guess twitch doesn't pay him enough yet.
as for sp injectors themselves... the entire point of eve for the past 13 years was to gain sp so you could do more with your character, now a new account can max 27 years of skill time into 1 hour... ok... so you basically destroyed the core of your game and told the vets who paid you for 13 years to **** off, it's time for some change.
welp... i am not rich, i can't afford to buy injectors... i also don't play a specific game all day every day to make enough isk to buy some either... so i'm just going to let my sub run out and go play something else.
ccp in a nutshell = cancelled wis, cancelled wod, cancelled dust, no word on legion, seagull talking about a vision that never happened, ccp staff keeps leaving including the founders of the company, sold off white wolf, decided to make some VR games when that platform is not even close to being in demand... the list goes on, these are just examples that come off the top of my head
you're a horrible company man, get your **** together ffs.
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Droidster
Center for Advanced Studies Gallente Federation
174
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Posted - 2016.02.16 04:08:58 -
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Along with others I have posted to the new feature discussion and new ideas discussion about the negative consequences of being able to buy skill points. (qv)
For some players it is only now dawning on them how it is going to affect the game, as others like Ironinject, or whatever his name is, follow in his footsteps and depreciate the years of work by players who trained skills with time. Shell out some bucks, and you too can have more skill points than Dr. Caymus!
Generating revenue by gimicks and selling P2W functionality, instead of by improving gameplay is a road to ruin, killing the golden goose. Disgusted veterans who see years of their lives rendered pointless for a few dollars start to log off. They are replaced by rich 13-year-olds with the attention span of Daffy Duck.
We already saw this whole scenario play out in Dark Age of Camelot, initially a very successful game, which the development company out of sheer greed ruined with a P2W scheme. RIP Dark Age of Camelot (October 2001 to May 29, 2014).
The appearance of this individual with his bought skill points is a very bad omen for all of us. |
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
9882
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Posted - 2016.02.16 04:19:42 -
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Droidster wrote:
For some players it is only now dawning on them how it is going to affect the game, as others like Ironinject, or whatever his name is, follow in his footsteps and depreciate the years of work by players who trained skills with time. Shell out some bucks, and you too can have more skill points than Dr. Caymus!
To the underlined.
It's those freaking players that are breaking down their characters to sell. Where do you think the injectors come from?
Stop putting these vets on some kind of pedestal and stop pretending you are bedazzled by the aura of pure goodness surrounding them. They're the ones taking advantage of this. If they weren't selling off all their SP, there'd be none to buy.
Mr Epeen
There are 86,400 seconds in a day. You just saved one of them by typing 'u' instead of 'you'.-á Congratulations, dumbass!
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2592
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Posted - 2016.02.16 04:22:39 -
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God, even with all those delicious tears in that threads, I'm so sick and tired of that whine threads. If the SP injectors are such a pain in your arse, then just go ffs! Just eff off and be done with it, holy crap! Some of you should step away from the PC anyways, because it looks like you take that game as some kind of replacement religion, holy ****!
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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S'Way
1367
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Posted - 2016.02.16 04:29:35 -
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Mr Epeen wrote: Stop putting these vets on some kind of pedestal and stop pretending you are bedazzled by the aura of pure goodness surrounding them. They're the ones taking advantage of this. If they weren't selling off all their SP, there'd be none to buy.
They're also the ones setting up SP farms to keep the supply flowing once they've finished lobotomising their own alts. |
Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4712
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Posted - 2016.02.16 04:31:43 -
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Mr Epeen wrote:Droidster wrote:
For some players it is only now dawning on them how it is going to affect the game, as others like Ironinject, or whatever his name is, follow in his footsteps and depreciate the years of work by players who trained skills with time. Shell out some bucks, and you too can have more skill points than Dr. Caymus!
To the underlined. It's those freaking players that are breaking down their characters to sell. Where do you think the injectors come from? Stop putting these vets on some kind of pedestal and stop pretending you are bedazzled by the aura of pure goodness surrounding them. They're the ones taking advantage of this. If they weren't selling off all their SP, there'd be none to buy. Mr Epeen
How many of the scandalized players in this thread have sold SP injectors?
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2557
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Posted - 2016.02.16 05:07:25 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:God, even with all those delicious tears in that threads, I'm so sick and tired of those whine threads. If the SP injectors are such a pain in your arse, then just go ffs! Just eff off and be done with it, holy crap! Some of you should step away from the PC anyways, because it looks like you take that game as some kind of replacement religion, holy ****! Calm down fan-boy.
As to veterans selling SP? I doubt that many who care would "harm" their mains. Alts with limited purpose that have trained random skills because they have a skill queue to fill on the other hand ...
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4712
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Posted - 2016.02.16 05:11:34 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:God, even with all those delicious tears in that threads, I'm so sick and tired of those whine threads. If the SP injectors are such a pain in your arse, then just go ffs! Just eff off and be done with it, holy crap! Some of you should step away from the PC anyways, because it looks like you take that game as some kind of replacement religion, holy ****! Calm down fan-boy. As to veterans selling SP? I doubt that many who care would "harm" their mains. Alts with limited purpose that have trained random skills because they have a skill queue to fill on the other hand ...
Still, it undermines the argument that is based on "the principle of it all!!!!!!"
Tell us, have you sold any SP injectors?
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2557
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:01:11 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Tell us, have you sold any SP injectors? ... if only you knew how little SP I had before they came out and how little SP I still have!
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Jacques d'Orleans
The Scope Gallente Federation
2592
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:06:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Jacques d'Orleans wrote:God, even with all those delicious tears in that threads, I'm so sick and tired of those whine threads. If the SP injectors are such a pain in your arse, then just go ffs! Just eff off and be done with it, holy crap! Some of you should step away from the PC anyways, because it looks like you take that game as some kind of replacement religion, holy ****! Calm down fan-boy.
Oh wow, an ad hominem, you're such a cool guy. That hasn't anything to do with "fan boy" it's just that whiners like you make me sick. If that game is sooo cruel than leave for fucks sake, simple concept, isn't it?
The beginning of the End
Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5%
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2557
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:08:40 -
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Jacques d'Orleans wrote:... If that game is sooo cruel than leave for fucks sake, simple concept, isn't it? Now I know you haven't read the thread.
(... and I was enjoying twisting the, "Calm down miner" inane reply)
Quote:Skill injectors? Attempting to give a shyte: 0.5% This is funny, since you seem to have the angriest words in the thread.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4712
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:11:03 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Tell us, have you sold any SP injectors? ... if only you knew how little SP I had before they came out and how little SP I still have!
Nice dodge.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
So Local Chat vanished, now what?
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2557
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:15:04 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:Nice dodge. I didn't think it was a dodge but if you want it categorically then "No." I never have and never will use a skill extractor or injector.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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Teckos Pech
The Executives Executive Outcomes
4712
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:20:51 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Teckos Pech wrote:Nice dodge. I didn't think it was a dodge but if you want it categorically then "No." I never have and never will use a skill extractor or injector.
Thank you for being explicit vs. being snide and snarky.
Still as for the rest of the scandalized posters...I'd be curious.
Upgrading Local to Eliminate All AFK Influence
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Caleb Seremshur
Gladiators of Rage RAZOR Alliance
738
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:26:13 -
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Jenshae Chiroptera wrote:Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote: CCP apparently can't make a better game so they started selling it in a different way. Caleb Seremshur wrote: And WOW has woken up to this as well after raping their customers wallets for $15 a month for 10 years. My sub expires in April, when does yours? You need a second job or a better one if you feel sexually and violently assaulted by paying $15 for a whole month of entertainment. My account will be cancelled after I vote for Xenuria. Nana Skalski wrote:EVE is not what you are thinking it is. Its just an experiment, social experiment. They are testing adaptation of human mind to quickly changing environment. The winner will get all icelandic exotic dancers and a ton of hakarl. Not any more. CCP has become a large part of Iceland's economy and they have a greater responsibility to the community around them than messing with a bunch of people online.
The word **** in context means theft or abduction which is the historical definition of the word also, not the hysterical definition you've used here.
Veteran and solo/small gang PVP advocate.
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Jenshae Chiroptera
2557
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Posted - 2016.02.16 06:27:57 -
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Teckos Pech wrote:... Still as for the rest of the scandalized posters...I'd be curious. Not sure there is a way to prove it though. I think the only thing you can do is look at kill boards for a sudden increase in different ships or a drop in old ships.
I still mine though but haven't lost a barge or exhumer in about 4-5 years, which immediately shows a flaw in this.
CCP - Building ant hills and magnifying glasses for fat kids
I will be voting for Xenuria because...
Now that everything can be bought for $, EVE has no goals - empty shell.
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